Sustaining Creativity with Marvin Nolasco (aka Technolasko)
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by kirupa | Interviews with Creative People: https://www.kirupa.com/podcast/index.htm

Marvin Nolasco (https://www.mixcloud.com/Technolasko/) brings a wide-angle view of creativity that stretches across design, music, code, photography, and emerging tools. Rather than chasing one perfect medium, he treats creative work as an evolving relationship with technology and curiosity. The result is a lively conversation about staying adaptable, keeping your sense of play, and using new tools without giving up the human reasons you create in the first place.

Watch the interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo
A conversation with Marvin Nolasco (aka Technolasko) | 1h 04m

ABOUT THIS CONVERSATION

Marvin Nolasco is the kind of guest who makes creativity feel less like a fixed identity and more like motion between mediums. His background spans computer graphics, music, design, and code, and that range gives the conversation unusual energy. Instead of defending one craft against another, he talks about how interests collide, merge, and create new momentum. That makes the episode especially useful for anyone who has ever felt pulled in several directions at once.

One of the strongest threads is his reflection on Flash and the kind of visual experimentation it made possible. Marvin is not simply nostalgic for an old tool. He is pointing to a real shift in accessibility. When visual ideas can be built visually, more people get to participate. When the path becomes more abstract and code-heavy, some forms of expression become harder to reach. That concern gives the episode a thoughtful undercurrent about creative access, not just personal preference.

The conversation then broadens into music scenes, early design work, immersive media, and the strange speed of technological change. Marvin is fascinated by what new platforms can unlock, but he never sounds detached from their human consequences. Virtual reality, robotics, augmentation, and networked tools all appear as possibilities that can thrill, distort, help, or overwhelm depending on how they are used. That balance keeps the discussion from collapsing into either panic or empty optimism.

By the final stretch, AI enters the picture as another tool in a long chain of tools. Marvin sees real value in assistance, cleanup, experimentation, and workflow support, while also recognizing the pressure these systems create for jobs and attention. What stays constant is his belief that people should keep making things, keep learning, and keep exploring. That makes this less a talk about trends and more a conversation about creative durability in unstable times.

WHAT YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT

- Creative range can be a strength instead of a distraction.
- Tools shape who gets to participate in creative work.
- Technological change matters most when it changes human experience.
- AI fits best as part of a workflow, not as a substitute for taste.
- Curiosity is one of the few creative habits that scales across mediums.

JUMP TO A TOPIC

- 0:00 - A life across mediums: Marvin introduces a creative path that moves fluidly through graphics, music, code, and visual experimentation. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=0s)
- 4:00 - What Flash made possible: He explains why visual tools mattered so much and what was lost when that style of creation faded. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=240s)
- 12:00 - Music, graphics, and early influences: The conversation moves into the people, sounds, and design work that shaped his creative instincts. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=720s)
- 16:00 - Design work and career shifts: Marvin reflects on professional design, the dot-com era, and why some creative paths stopped feeling worth the squeeze. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=960s)
- 20:00 - Returning through visual code: He reconnects with browser graphics and code-driven creativity through modern tools inspired by older visual workflows. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=1200s)
- 24:00 - VR and emotional immersion: The discussion explores how immersive media can heighten feeling, presence, and even discomfort. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=1440s)
- 28:00 - Robots, implants, and the human edge: They consider how automation and augmentation might change what it means to create and perceive. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=1680s)
- 32:00 - Technology and responsibility: Marvin connects big technical ambitions to practical questions about need, access, and how people actually live. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=1920s)
- 44:00 - Mixing painting, photos, and AI: He shares how newer tools can expand experimentation across existing bodies of creative work. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=2640s)
- 56:00 - Assistance versus replacement: The closing stretch weighs AI’s value as support against the real worries around jobs, speed, and attention. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=3360s)

TO LEARN MORE

- Marvin's Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/Technolasko/
- Marvin's Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/Technolasko
- Marvin's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/Technolasko/
- Marvin's Radio Show: https://frisky.fm/shows/37619
- Marvin's RA: https://ra.co/dj/technolasko
- Marvin's Twitter: https://twitter.com/TECHNOLASKO

TRANSCRIPT

The automatically generated captions have been organized by speaker, lightly edited for clarity, and broken into paragraphs for readability. Names and wording may still contain errors.

0:00 - Kirupa (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=0s)

Some of the people encounter poses so much creativity, curiosity and intellectual horsepower, the they take their talents across mediums. Marvin nalesco is one such individual. He's a talented artist, musician, photographer, programmer and much more. In this fun chat, we discussed how he got started, what is the secret to having a broad set of interests that they go deep into, whether robots replace us in many creative Endeavors, and much more. It's gonna be fun, so let's get started. Marvin, it's great to meet you in person after having, I guess, discussed virtually for quite some time online, and so, before we go further, just tell us a little bit about yourself.

0:38 - Marvin Nolasco (aka Technolasko) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=38s)

Hi, my name is Marvin Nolasco. I went to school for computer Graphics, and somewhere in there I decided to take a bunch of electives and I came across micromedia, director, flash Premiere, and I decided to start moving in the direction because it was just way more fun and I ended up playing with flash from director.

And then, while studying and looking at the internet for stuff, I found your page with all your amazing tutorials and, like, it gave me an opportunity to like: I'm not a programmer, I'm more of a visual person, but I understand programming right, and it gave me the tools for me to grab elements here and there and just implement it into my projects and just make it work. And it got pretty, pretty exciting by the end.

You know, like I was running an internet page that I was building for a company I was working for and they were basically it was just going to be connected with XML and just pulling data from different places and all that and it was really cool. And then Apple, you know, destroyed flash. Well, flash was also becoming a problem because people were just clicking around. Click here to update flash player.

1:56 - Kirupa (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=116s)

Yeah, it's one of those fun times because the story you mentioned about you're studying graphic design, you're studying something visual, you discover a Flash, and then you end up creating something which, historically, would have been something you needed to have a lot of programming knowledge in. It's just an amazing one. That's something that flash, I think, really brought to the Forefront, and its demise in many ways is one that we never recovered from. Like today. A lot of people who are studying graphic design didn't really have a path to say: I now I'm gonna take my skills and still be able to build something productive.

I think we have some local tooling like framer things like webflow, that are kind of close to Gap a bit, but it's never quite the same though, in terms of, like, how much capabilities you're able to build versus what you had with flash.

2:41 - Marvin Nolasco (aka Technolasko) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=161s)

Almost 20 years ago, I mean it's. It's because even after flash was just being removed, Netflix was running flash for a while because they were like secure in its own weird way. You know what I mean. It was very powerful, it was awesome, fun stuff and I was actually excited for for the director, because the director started going online and you were able to bring 3d elements in director. So I saw some very cool stuff when after school, but it just kind of never caught on and also the bandwidth was insane. So.

3:18 - Kirupa (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=198s)

Yeah, and of course, Flash the threat. You know if you're, if you're an app store, you're building an ecosystem for a platform flash of a wild garden its own way and you don't want to lose track of that. You know Apple definitely didn't want to. They wanted more people to build native apps for their app stores, and same with all the other phone platforms as well, and even the ones that were open to having Flash run on it, flashes couldn't. It didn't have the performance characteristics, it couldn't meet the battery requirements and so on.

So even on fully open platforms, so you can be like, yeah, please use Flash and make it work outside of the desktop, laptop, more powerful settings in Mobile- it just struggled and I think that was a. You know Apple didn't help, but in general, Flash's inability to work in the mobile space pretty much made it the you know end of the line for it, unfortunately. I mean I did see apple saying: you know.

4:08 - Marvin Nolasco (aka Technolasko) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=248s)

What I don't want people playing homemade games on our devices like, no, this is not happening. Let me just say, oh, it's a security, sure, whatever. But man, it really hurts, mainly because, not that you know, the tool itself is gone, it's just that the world it enabled for so many creative people to be able to take their idea and bring it to life. That world was lost, and that's the part that always gets to me. It's important as well because I look at the difficulties people have learning about web development or native development. I'm like this is way too complicated.

You know, visual problem should be solved visually, not by you writing tens and thousands of lines of code to just make a rectangle move on screen from one side together, which is a very common thing that people do. I mean. That's also why I like flash, because it was a visual. You know you grab that rectangle and you drag it across the timeline and they'll just fill in the blanks for you and you could just do all sorts of weird fun stuff, which is why I'm completely like mind-blowing that by 3js. It's like why is nobody using this? Like it's amazing, it looks amazing, it.

I got excited just from seeing my phone saying downloading, please wait. And I was like what? There's something loading. It's not gonna be like this long CVS receipt, which is what web design has become, because I think 90 something percent of the people, first of all people, don't have a computer anymore and they do everything on their phone, which is, I find, fascinating because, like, I have all these tools and I have my machines in my computer, but people are just editing phone videos on their phone. They're creating animations, they're making music and they're okay by uploading a file that gets transferred to Whatsapp. That's super compressed.

I was like: wait what? No, like, the video is in 4k and you want me to send it to WhatsApp. So this is very strange Gap, because they don't have computers, they're not able to, they don't understand the concept was like, yes, this video shoot was about 40 gigs of data and it's going to take you a while, especially if the power goes out in the country you're in and it's. It's fascinating and also frustrating. It's- you know what I mean- like like the other day, like when technology became democratized, right, it was a kind of case.

Like wrote this idea of that people will be willing to pay for higher quality of content or being able to wait longer times for things to be perfect, as?

6:42 - Kirupa (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=402s)

It turned out, people opt for convenience 90 of time, the 10 times where they do need better quality and like the premier experience isn't worthwhile for companies to invest in anymore. So we've kind of just lowered the barrier in general, and a great example of this is that I was always a big fan in- Like You Know- audio and video and like you know sound systems and like you know video quality and all these things for a very, very long time, and so I used to be one of those people who actually physically paid for Netflix.

They made Blu-ray discs essentially because that's like you know, not compressors, physical media and all these things- and then, when streaming just caught on and went, took a life of its own. It's almost impossible to get Blu-rays or like physical media in high quality anymore, and with streaming you can tell the quality is not great, even if you have 4K USD, you're in a, you know, gigabit fiber connection. You could tell, especially if you're trained today, like, okay, you can see the banding in the sky. You can see the blacks are not. You know, it's not the 8-Bit black, it's like the four bits.

You can see, like you know, the grayscale things like, but people don't care and we kind of lost it because it's all about convenience. Now when you see people complaining about you know for various reasons- like I don't need to watch Game of Thrones- but a few times there's some complaints that some of the scenes were too dark. The director made it very, very dark to see it and I'm like I can see from an artistic point of view why that was taken and if you have a properly skin setup it makes sense why that actually is the best way to view that content.

But majority of the world has moved on to it and I think all of us as content creators kind of have to realize that. How do we make sure that for those who care about something really high quality it's provided, but for the large masses who do not care, what is accessible and still usable of the same version of the content? I mean.

8:24 - Marvin Nolasco (aka Technolasko) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=504s)

You bring an interesting point because I did watch. I started watching Game of Thrones at the end, right, I didn't bother. For years I was busy being a DJ, throwing events and like just being a rock star in My Underworld and TV was not a thing. And eventually the last season's coming and I was like, okay, fine, they spent a lot of money. So sometimes I watch television because it's expensive, you know, and it's like you know what, if they put so much money into this, something good has to come up, even if the story is not good. Then the lighting, the animation, something had to happen in there.

So I watched that Premiere episode and it's like it's all crazy and everything goes haywire. And I started to see the banding on the TV and I was like, oh right, this is like listening to 5.1 mix surround sound on your Apple headphones from you know five years ago, like the Trashy little earbuds. You're just not getting the full experience.

Also, as a person that works in production and shoots like videos from like small stuff to bigger stuff, I noticed that most people consume on their phone like they don't even watch it on the TV, on YouTube, they just watch it on their phone and stream it from their phone and it's. It's very sad because it's like: well, so everything I do it's been downgraded to a phone and people just want to watch little effects on the phone. Look what I did. That's really cool. And I was like I have After Effects. You know, like I get involved into these things, but it is fascinating.

I'm beginning to learn to adapt, I guess you can say, to the new world of content consumption. If you will, and, like you know, for the most part, it's like I don't think people need a 4K video for at least another four or five years, and unless if you're really, really into that world, like like, I picked up, actually, an Ultra HD Blu-ray player the other day in the street for like 20 bucks. They're like: yes, this is perfect and I know it has upscaling and all that. So I bought it home. I popped some CDs and they actually looked amazing, considering that it's a CD, right.

So then the Blu-rays. I learned, also not too long ago, that not all Blu-rays were 4K. I was like: wait, this is 1080.. It's like what? Okay, so where's the good, good stuff? I want to, like you know, Splurge my eyeballs into this experience of like wow, and even then it's like: well, my TV is like mid-range, I don't have the full wow, amazing experience that I can probably get if you know the proper setup. So at this point it's just like: all right, I'll consume and tone it down, but it's- it's really exciting. The technology, though, and the resolutions are just out of control.

The file sizes are insane, like they're. They're- people don't understand how much of storage for like a 4K raw footage you know. It's like: yeah, that's massive. Like you need to bring me a terabyte drive for the shoot and you might not be able to play the file yourself at home.

11:35 - Kirupa (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=695s)

It's totally true. It's crazy. With a transition, you were in graphic design and then you kind of transition into video and definitely music, which is a big part of your life right now. And so what? What made that transition happen? So the music thing.

11:51 - Marvin Nolasco (aka Technolasko) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=711s)

Started, I guess, with the computer thing and like the video game thing, early early like in the early 90s, right, I started taking Das classes, the base classes, and then a friend of mine introduced me to electronic music, right, and electronic music back then, I guess, was the only music that was like very dirty and grungy and like nasty, you know, have curse words and stuff, and being a preteen was like, oh, they're cursing, oh my God, what is that? And it was just very, very exciting stuff. And he was able to introduce me to a full spectrum of electronic music.

And also I started doing like we would do banners in the school with their names with a dot matrix printer and it'll be like the design would be balloon, so the letters are like very simple stuff. I used to draw as a kid, so that kind of just started to merge, I guess. I worked in a PBA, PBS- when I was in high school as an intern and I worked with the art director. So he introduced me to the world of graphics and advertising. And how much is a full stage spread at the New York Times at that time, which was like 150 000? Oh my gosh, that's crazy.

Like it was just a whole different. And I remember one time we had a meeting and he was showing me some layouts and it was for a flamenco dancer that was going to be in town and they were here. Okay, so these are the ads. What do you think about this? What do you think about that? I said, well, you should maybe remove this. I don't think this is Mindy.

I was a kid but I was like under the art director of the station and it was amazing and that kind of solidified like, oh, and I also took some illustrator and Photoshop class in high school, so that kind of just pushed me more in that direction. I found like, okay, I kind of get it, even though illustrator was just not didn't make sense for years, years. And then one day I went to my school and one of those scammy art schools set of posters like, hey, come to art school, you know you don't need a portfolio.

And I was like, well, I didn't realize I needed a portfolio to get to a good school, so that was kind of my thing. So I went to, like, the Art Institute but I met a lot of interesting people and I've learned a lot. Like I just started thinking people's brains and just started watching what the people were next to me in the computer lab doing. So I was like, oh, you're doing 3D. How do you do planets? How do you make things real thing? I want to make a spaceship. So I got into a little bit of everything while I was there and it was. It was awesome.

It was an awesome experience, like I think I've been yearning for that kind of Circle of creative people to just like to just bounce ideas on a constant day-to-day basis, because you know, you just go to somebody's room, what are you working on? Here's my drawing for the final, for blah, blah, blah and yeah, that's that's. From there I just, you know, started painting just as an expression. That's actually some stuff I'm working on back there, and I just do stuff and music.

A friend of mine in college he introduced me to the idea that he made music with a keyboard, a four track recorder and a microphone and I was like I don't believe you, like you have to show me please, and he just blew my mind. I was like what you could do music? I was like, can you read music? Because no, I wanna. I went in, I wanna, and it just started this very strange Chase of just having more Outlets, creatively, if you will. You know where I guess us. Being a kid, you know, drawing was my thing.

So now, being a grown-up kid, it's like: okay, well, I can play some music, I could make some music, I can experiment with stuff. I spent last year doing video editing- finally, because I finally had a computer that was decent enough to do the work- and I just dove in and I also ran into the. I saw that flash was still alive as Adobe animate, so I got very excited about this. Oh my God, I maybe need to open up my own files and re-render them because, like, my files are stuck in the drive. I can't show anybody my website and like.

But it was very cool and I was just a kid just moving boxes around and you know, emerging things and masking things and it definitely gave me a different perspective of, like, how to approach design and I got. I got good work from my design stuff. It's just that, you know, thecom collapse happened and that was part of that. Early, like, I just got hired, I was making decent money for being a kid and then it was just like, okay, well, we have to let you go.

So I was like, okay, oh, and then I started doing WordPress and then I literally just started moving away from design because The Squeeze wasn't worth the juice. I was like you know what this is not and it wasn't as exciting anymore. It was just like, okay, I built WordPress and I have to clean it up. It's like, do I really want to get into PHP? And here I am again, like staring at code. It's like I don't want to do that. Like this is not so. But now, because of 3js, I'm actually very excited to add.

Like I was thinking about translating my old work into the Forefront and making it in a 3D environment as soon as I find like a, I guess like a visual place where I can just build my stuff. So, yeah, that's what's happening. And then, VR is also exciting. Like I'm very excited for VR and actually augmented reality. Like I had ideas from like being a kid dude. And finally, the technology is like catching up.

Like I had an idea when I was a kid of somebody that was doing exercises over the internet and he would monitor this room with like 20 people, you know, and he'd just go in between cameras and all that, and they pitched it to the guy and it wasn't even that expensive, but it was just like it. It people didn't fully see and it's just all happening now, like you sit on your bike with a tablet and you have somebody screaming at you. You've been doing a job, so it's so. Yeah, I'm kind of slowly getting back into the possibilities.

Yeah, augmented reality is going to be fun, like it's gonna be fun, I think.

18:19 - Kirupa (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=1099s)

No, absolutely, and you mentioned 3js is actually pretty interesting because that might be the technology that powers so much of the AR and VR experiences as well. So in using 3js, do you like the API design? Do you like the way you can take your ideas and turn it into visuals at the end of it?

18:40 - Marvin Nolasco (aka Technolasko) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=1120s)

I mean, I'm still very fresh to it right now. I'm not fully aware of how far you can go. I just realized that there is a camera and there are objects, there's perspective, and I was like, okay, that's kind of fun. And the fact that you can bring in elements from Blender, which is like, okay, that could be interesting too. So now I can build a website where, instead of scrolling up and down, I'm scrolling in into a hallway, into like a gallery kind of thing, you know, and then you just start putting in whatever elements you want in there.

If it's, it is exciting, you know, and it doesn't seem that, like, the load is not that heavy. You know what I mean..

19:41 - Kirupa (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=1181s)

Yeah, the reason I bring it up is that I don't know for some of the history of 3js, but it's actually created by Mr dupe. He has a very famous flash developer who created really nice visualizations back in the day when you and I were probably using flash quite extensively, and the first version of 3js is actually Written In Action script.

It was actually made to have flash had a really good 3D capabilities and it wasn't until you know, probably like maybe 10 years ago, that you know Mr Duke, rewrote it to work in JavaScript and then, when webgl became a thing- so you can actually do like really nice shaders and colors and, you know, do things Beyond just what you can do on the canvas, on the down- that it really took on a life of its own.

And so that's why, you know, I was curious, like how you like the API design and so on, because it was so heavily inspired by the world that we all kind of came from, which is The Flash world, and so this idea of like constructs that can have like very special properties on them. It's very much like the movie clip that we had in the in the flash world to represent a lot of this and so that's why I was like pretty excited to hear that, even though you left that World Behind, You rediscovered the evolution of that world in some ways.

There's no visual tool, but the bulk of the creative expression in the API form already exists in that, in what qjs provides, it's.

20:55 - Marvin Nolasco (aka Technolasko) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=1255s)

I mean, like I said, because of the VR thing, I think it's changing stuff, you know, it's finally becoming a thing, and I don't know. I mean the whole idea of The Minority Report with the stuff, the Hologram floating around and the interaction like. For me it's like okay, I could see definitely how that's going to end up working. You have your glasses, you're walking around, like I have this. I have this very cool concept of deploying content.

Where you walk through the neighborhood, there's a barcode and you scan it right and then, as you scan it, then photos will pop out that were taken based on like a location, and so you get to see like oh well, this photo was taken here and you kind of have like a strange tour. I don't want to give you more details because it's something that I'm trying to mentally put together as stuff starts coming out, and I think it's a very cool concept and it's worth like keeping Hush Hush for now, but it's just the. It's just, you know, like, like we can drop content anywhere now.

It's just, you know, we can drop content anywhere now. I mean, a QR code—people just scan them, which is kind of funny and reckless—but the idea that people finally have an app in their phone that can scan a QR code is huge. Before, we had to download an app. You know what I mean? There had to be this middle step, which always turned people off from doing any of these things. So now it's almost like, here are the tools, here's what AR can do, and AR is going to start being inside the OS also. So it's cool stuff, man. Very cool stuff.

22:34 - Kirupa (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=1354s)

Do you think VR will ever take off? We've been hearing the promise of VR since games from the 80s that had poorly drawn VR-like capabilities. Because I always look at it in terms of virtual reality versus augmented reality. One of those two is going to win, and if I had to bet, I always keep betting on AR being the solution. But, okay, what's your take on it? Where do you feel it's going to go?

23:00 - Marvin Nolasco (aka Technolasko) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=1380s)

I like business-wise, AR makes a lot of sense, right, but, when, when this whole nft thing popped out- and you know the web 3, which I was like what the hell does that even mean? When that whole thing popped up and people started joining communities online and started going to Gatherings with little cartoons, little icons, I was like, okay, I've seen this before and that's kind of cool that people are are doing that, right, and that gave, I think, the technology an extra push.

Because then, after that, I started watching some videos of people just going into, like, the chat rooms and just being at the Disco and you just have a character just doing a move that you know you type in, you're gonna wiggle, just Wiggles.

The VR thing: I think it's awesome but it's kind of creepy because, like you know, like imagine playing one of those immersive games like, Resident Evil or something or you know what I mean- like it's gonna mess with you, like it's going to, it's definitely going to be like it could impact your, your psyche and your mental state, because it feels so real, right, and the higher resolution they get and the more tricks that we do and the blurring and making it more intense and the sound like for the people that are into that, wow, they're gonna have a blast, like you know, and I could see if games having a warning in the future like hey, don't.

Don't play this if you have heart problems, or make sure you turn like you know what I mean, because I think it's very powerful. The other thing is that you can do virtual tours like people. I do see people living in a very strange- I mean, we already live in a very strange dystopian future where this is the norm. Yep, exactly, so it's gonna go from here to here.

24:54 - Kirupa (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=1494s)

Yeah, and I'm just going to sit at home. We have a good awareness of our spatial surroundings. I think VR could be the thing that we all have embedded in us. Actually, let's go one step further. Speaking of a dystopian future, think Neuralink, with actual embedded brain imaging. You just have a direct connection between your auditory and optical pathways to something digital that can actually alter it in real time.

25:22 - Marvin Nolasco (aka Technolasko) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=1522s)

I mean, that's fascinating stuff, man. We're machines at the end of the day. We're electrical machines, and we actually emit a force, like a magnetic field around us, which is fascinating. I love the science of what we are. The idea of having, I guess, a patch cable for somebody that can't feel their legs, running from the bottom of their spine to the top of their spine so they can feel their legs again, feels very possible because it's kind of the same thing. And that is what he's kind of building in a way, right?

So I- again, it's as exciting as it is, it can just go Haywire, because computers go haywire and it's. It's just, you know, like on some cyberpunk stuff, like, like in the game, you know, people just have short circuit kind of thing, right, and I guess we're going to go into the world of you know, are you fully human or do you have implants, which is kind of cool. I mean the idea of having knee implants. When I was a kid I was like, yeah, I busted my knees playing basketball, so when I get old I can probably get some some new knees.

Now it's just like I can get my eye implant or something and I can actually see better, right, I can have like bionic eyes, like they have contact lenses that have augmented reality. So we're going to start building these little things that we can. I mean, hearing aids are now like smart hearing aids, basically like they're like headphones, and they have noise canceling and you can like cancel out certain frequencies from it, which is amazing, like I always thought.

Does that's going to be great cancer pacemakers, a lot of the modern pacemakers that people use, they have like some Wi-Fi connectivity so you can like remotely diagnose and think they're going on there. And you know pacemakers have been around for a long time and it's a pretty critical thing that you know is intelligent and smart, with, like you know, CPU architecture and things like that. So I think we're maybe indirectly- you know slowly, but realizing it automatically- just becoming more and more of a hybrid between a human and a robot.

I mean, like the pacemaker idea was freaked me out, because imagine if you just have a device that's running your system, your hard drive. Somebody could just send either a magnetic field- it sounds crazy, right, but if you could just give it enough energy or shock or something or just hack it. Why the not- excuse me, but you know what I mean- like, like, I'm sure the technology is not the safest thing and if somebody's like, you know what, I'm going to go ahead and do what I need to do because this person, like it's an option and that's kind of, that's kind of freaky.

Like, like, and if we talk about, like, putting an implant, like you can actually change probably the perception, the visual perception of a person with an implant, and you can just like- whoa- I mean, I've never thought about it till now- you can, yeah, change their everything. You know, kind of like we talked about earlier, where there's going to be like this point, where it's like it's gonna be an inflection point, where, like, all these lines kind of converge. I think one line is going to be: how do we make robots be more like human beings?

You know, we keep seeing these like videos from- I think it's- Boston Dynamics, where the records and dancing. It's climbing upstairs doing backflips and then, like I cannot do a backflip, so it's already like. You know, I'm doing things like that. I could not possibly it run faster than me. It does backflips like what? Yeah, you can also like carry like several thousand pounds without any other inflating. Like you know it already has like capabilities that I wish I could have and I know physically it's impossible for me to have that kind of capability. Can you picture yourself being able to do that stuff though? Yeah, exactly yeah. What's that?

You know, I got my picture. Upgrades baby.

29:09 - Kirupa (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=1749s)

Yeah, like the old Mech Warrior or like Mega Man X, like you know, the whole other video games from back then, where you know you could take a robot and like, upgrade and make it more powerful and so on. So I think we're gonna see more human-like Robots coming into like our everyday life, and then we're gonna see humans getting more robotic, like capabilities, whether it is better hearing or better seeing or being able to. You know, like you mentioned, like if you know you have a physical ailment, now the combination of electronics and Robotics can get you back to a state that you're in, maybe even better.

And so there's gonna be a convergence point where we're going to figure out what is it to be a human and what is it to be a robot. And all these sci-fi films that I've been trying to answer this for decades, if not even a century from, like all the HG Wells Books from back then, will finally come to a point where, like now, we can actually answer it, not theoretically but with actual real life examples. Right, I mean it's.

30:04 - Marvin Nolasco (aka Technolasko) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=1804s)

Funny you bring hc Wells, because I saw his speech that he had when he was talking about the possibilities that we live in a computer simulation and it just blew my mind. You know it's also like, hey, people like this is serious, I thought about business, I was crazy, but hear me out, and that's that's something that I actually been thinking about. Like I love ideas, I love to as a creative person, I love to like, every now and then I indulge, like even if it's a conspiracy, because, well, that this would be a very interesting story.

What if you built something that works with this concept and all that and the whole concept that we live in a computer simulation? Every now and then I look people around me. I was like you're just programmed to be the shoe repair guy and I should not be talking to you a lot deeper stuff than shoe repair.

30:58 - Kirupa (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=1858s)

I, no, not yet. I have that. I'm confused. That show touches upon that topic in great, great details. You know where. You often don't know until at certain point you're like, wait, that person's not a human, they're actually a robot, and all the complications. I think it's also based on a famous book. I forget it's one of the famous authors, it might be Sagan or Asimov, I forget which one, but that you know, basically is the premise of this.

So I think there's a, there's a world where people imagined this could happen, and I think now we're close to being able to realize the all those Visions as in our everyday life. It's.

31:34 - Marvin Nolasco (aka Technolasko) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=1894s)

You know, it's funny because, like, we're talking about technology, right, but and there's such a disconnect with with the reality of the world. Like I live in New York City and I live in Manhattan and the way the city is right now it's so inside out there's a lot of people with drug problems, there's a lot of things with mental issues. I've never seen that before, ever, ever, ever. And we're, we're.

You know, the other day I was reading that like oh yeah, this guy's trying to give people internet because everybody needs to be connected, and I was like, well, they need water and food, you know, and there's that distance. So, kind of talking about the dystopian Westworld, kind of thing. Like like it's very strange times, man, like it's very, very strange times and like and the technology is available to everybody. Like we can actually kind of fix the world if we dedicate it to it.

Like we can just upcycle a bunch of stuff and start teaching people like hey, this is how you can make a little lamp with some foil, chlorine water and some light, and like you know, basic stuff. And yeah, you know, I don't know if you ever followed the video creator, but Mr Beast, he's not, I think, I think the most popular YouTuber right now and he creates like interesting videos and things like that and he recently made news for basically finding a thousand people who are blind and just curing them by taking them to a doctor.

You know, not even a technologically advanced problem, but just a common thing is like wait. Then you say to take a step and you're like wait, why does it take a YouTuber who's probably like his early 20s, who just wants to do fun things? Why does it take someone like that to go and solve a societal problem that easily could have been solved by any number of things that the world is currently focusing on? I mean, I know it's not the case where, like, everyone has to like stop, go, you know pretending to like go to Mars or like solving these worlds and every things.

We need a mixture of all these items, but it does kind of bring to the Forefront again, like some of the weirdness of the world that we're living in, where you know the biggest problems that we think are very different and more fundamental ones I've just not being able to see and having easy solutions that are within reach for solving.

That it's, and it's really awesome to see that people like that are doing stuff like that, like, like I always like, every time I leave my house, if I go out at night, if I'm going to a club or something, I have extra water, banana or something and I just give it to people on the train because it's, you know, it's like why not? And this is the way that I can help, you know, and it's something like I have. But I know also saw that some people online would give people stuff and record it and stuff like that, which I think it's funny.

And it's really awesome to see that people like that are doing stuff like that. Every time I leave my house, if I go out at night, if I'm going to a club or something, I have extra water, a banana, or something and I just give it to people on the train because, you know, why not? This is the way that I can help. I know some people online will give people stuff and record it, which I think is funny. You don't really have to do that, but there's something positive to it because other kids will go and help in some weird way. It's helping. Yes, you know what I mean?

34:36 - Kirupa (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=2076s)

Yeah, I think, in philosophy, right, they always talk about how there really is no such thing as a selfless act. There's always a certain selfish nature to everything that we do. Even the things we do that are good or altruistic have some motivation behind them. It makes you feel good and things like that. Those are the things where it's all about perception and point of view. There is no right or wrong answer here, I mean.

35:10 - Marvin Nolasco (aka Technolasko) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=2110s)

Right, and I guess that's when the spiritual comes in. When you start questioning, like wait, I have to start questioning myself, maybe the system, like why am I thinking that this is not the other one? So it's funny, yeah, but it's. It's nice to see that people are actually like stepping up and doing stuff like that, because living in a city with so many homeless people, one thing I don't know is that, like you know, they feel like they're invisible, like nobody talks to them, nobody. Like, like you know, it's.

Imagine like every now and then put yourself in somebody's shoes, like I always think, I always said like, like, like, if you're lucky in our experiences in the life, you're able to play every single role of every character, right, imagine like if it's a game, well, you're gonna be rich one day and then you're also going to be poor one day.

You're gonna be extremely happy, you're gonna be extremely sad, but you're going to be able to feel and on some spiritual stuff, like you know, the idea that we reincarnate, we're here is because we can feel here, you know, and we can like, we can, we can hurt, we can like. Oh, my God, I couldn't feel this as an energy ball, nebula floating around in the universe or whatever it is so. So I find it fascinating and when I see stuff like that, it like it touches me and it's like wow, like you know, we're not too far from like being there and it's like I get it.

But also like, like, sorry, I'm kind of rambling about it, but it's also part of the things that inspire me, because when I see stuff like that, I try to like put, like, like stop, or try to guide the young kids that want to do something, to like, hey, man, there's, there's different options. You know, like, like you have a computer, you have a phone, you can make stuff, you can create stuff. Like you can just go for it. You know, because what's happening now is that I see a lot of the kids back then that I used to be in music studios where Industries asking for dollars.

It's part of human nature and it's fascinating. It's so rewarding too, I think. Sorry, I know I went off track a bit.

37:34 - Kirupa (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=2254s)

No, that's what all these conversations are about. There's more to all of us than just the work that we do or the things we put out. We think about all these things, and for me all of this is exciting because I've spent a lot of time thinking about this exact same issue as well. What is the purpose of all this? At the end of the day, does anything that we're doing really matter? Is it moving the needle in either making life better for humanity in general or prolonging life on Earth? All these existential questions that we often have.

I do think back at it sometimes and I go: what is the, what is the end goal of some of these things? Like, is it really having the intense effect that we think it's really going to be having? I mean, that's what got me started writing and teaching many years ago as well. It's like you know, I have a skill here where I can take complicated things and simplify them right. Can I do something meaningful with that? And you know, luckily it happened to be in an industry that was growing. You know people doubt about technology.

Internet grew, the world Design Group and so on, so it kind of indirectly benefited me in my personal career and life and all of that. But always imagine, like, what if my hobby was in something complete? What if it wasn't? Like, you know, something that isn't as mainstream? Like what it was all about, like, let's say, carpentry. You know I haven't really have a knack for like taking complicated things and helping you create that out of various types of wood. I would still like to do that. I would love to do that.

I can't imagine the quality of life and the experience that I had- be able to talk to someone like you, for example- would have been possible. Had I gone down that route. I might be still doing things I might be happy with. I mean, it wasn't very different. I can see Carpenter kind of getting a little exciting.

39:09 - Marvin Nolasco (aka Technolasko) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=2349s)

Exactly. You know so many different materials of carpet and like blah blah. I mean some things. Better colors, I agree, but the trick right oftentimes- and I often see this when I'm like mentoring people about careers and things like that is, you know, what are you passionate about? That is one thing, but really, what is society also valuing as well? Right, from what I think. But if Australia doesn't care, like I could? You know I could enjoy painting or like writing things only with the color blue. You know, that's my favorite color. I'm like I could do that, but most people like multiple colors, they like seeing things with.

You know variety of things and so on, and so I have to kind of balance what I care about with what others care about as well.

If my goal is to cater, you know, in a service industry or creative industry, to other people's needs- and you know it- I always find the luckiest ones are ones who somehow were able to fully align what they like and what Society values in a way that works out really nicely for them, and then they wanted a frustrated art from our ones who have a passion for one thing, but what they can actually do are very different, and you see a lot in the creative industry as well, where their day job is something very non-creative.

It's like, you know, whatever a traditional industry work might be, but then they come home they could have get to do their. You know the creative side of things and you always see the excitement between, like talking about their day job. It's like, yeah, you know. Just, you know pay, sales and all these things. It's like, oh, I love creating things because I did all this fun stuff and so I always want to know, like, what can we do to society in general, where anybody has a passion for these kind of things?

How can we help them be, you know, have a quality of life that you know keeps them healthy and happy and so on? And they still get to move the needle and like people really passionate about. I mean, it's funny you bring that up because I'm I have a lot of creative friends and I don't know, like, like, I have a very strange path and I have a very strange determination. I guess I have the vision of who I am and what I can do, what I'm into and like I'm really interested. I'm very curious, right, Lord?

I have other friends that you know I was like, well, I have to pay bills, like I understand you have to pay bills, but you can do it on the train. So if you need to make space in your head, I'm also very privileged, like I'm not gonna lie, like I freelance, right? My family does look out for me. For a good time, for a good chunk of the year. I'm just getting back into reality.

I have to take care of family stuff for a minute, so I'm getting back into getting back into being creative and getting into the field, which is why I started to do video editing, because I was shooting and I was doing, director photography work. I'm sending a camera system. I'm like, well, maybe I just want to edit because the editor is butchering my work and it's there's no purpose of like getting this beautiful lens and its manual and you get like just beautiful colors and all this, and then the editor just starts adding squiggly effects here and there and it's like, why, why, why?

So I felt compelled to also, like you said, it's something, that's kind of a thing. So, yes, I can actually get work as a matter, you know. So I got into Premiere and I said, okay, cool, I'm here down, boom, I jumped into Da Vinci recently. I started using the ninja resolver. I was like: all right, cool, I feel comfortable in there. I messed around a little bit with After Effects and Lux is gonna be, I guess, animate and the whole 3D thing. But also because these are things that are going to get me further and deeper into the, I guess, the core of the creative good stuff.

You know what I mean. Because, yes, I paint. Am I going to dedicate a bunch of time into painting abstract stuff? Then, maybe because I have to also learn that world. It's like, well, I have to go take my paintings to Gallery, so, hey look, I paint blah, blah, blah. And it's like I'm not interested in that, like that's a whole different world. So you know it's, you're totally right, and I've been just lucky enough that I've been curious and I've been having fun playing with computers and cameras and software and experimenting with stuff as it began to develop.

Like I was doing web design in 1998, the front page, and that's like I started as well. So you know, like, and I loved it, I was like, okay, I get it, but it was just boring. It's like I don't want to be cutting out boxes around Circle buttons and transparencies, like there's no Shadows. If I put Shadows, it looks like crap and I was like, no, no, I don't, which is why Flash and director's like this is amazing.

I could do shadows and animated and stuff like yes, so, yeah, I am moving still in the same kind of Direction, like, and eventually, right now I'm just trying to merge everything. Like I want to be able to take my paintings and shove it into some AI stuff and mix that with something else which is a whole different world of like you know, like it's exploration, you know what I mean.

Like I could take my entire photo collection and just run it through Ai and just dress it up as whatever and project it and paint it and do something else and animate it, and so it's like endless fun and I can also get paid because it's a thing now. Like people want to see cool artwork again. People are interested in like, oh, that's cool, all right, how can we get people to come to the party? We do graffiti now and we do, okay, cool. Yeah, we're interested in that.

44:54 - Kirupa (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=2694s)

So, yeah, and everything you've described right now about how you know, went from this like drawing and sketching to also feeling right now the word you mentioned earlier about curiosity. I think that, in many ways, is a defining trait about you, where you're willing to try different things out just because you're curious, see how far it goes, and you also have the intellectual horsepower to go deep into it and make sense of all these complicated things. So it's, for the most part, yeah, yeah, you know. So, speaking of AI, actually, you know, I've spoken to various people who have different opinions on the role that AI plays. Many are terrified.

They're like, okay, you know, I spent my entire life and learning how to light things, create these rigs in three-dimensional, you know space and create all these things. And then you have someone that's like me, for example, has zero experience in that. I go into like something like mid-journey or stable. You know diffusion, something I type in a text prompt for exactly what I want. I hit generate. A couple of minutes later, I get something that came out that, for the most part, is pretty high quality, that required zero skills whatsoever, and, on the other hand, you're actually excited about it.

You're looking at this and saying that you know this is going to help you be more successful, and so I'm curious to get your take on it. Like you know, is there the fear of AI coming and making a lot of these creative tasks obviously overblown, or is there something where you're kind of like moving with the value chain, where the calculator didn't get rid of people who can now need to do messages? Help them spend more time doing things that they're more uniquely qualified to do?

46:24 - Marvin Nolasco (aka Technolasko) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=2784s)

You know, first, there's a lot of people that are going to be out of the loop. I'll tell you right now, it's powerful. I've been researching from visual to video to even chat, GPT writing a VST plugin, okay, and I was like what? That's insane, that's amazing, that's, that's great, that's powerful. That's like talk about giving people more power. You know what I mean. Like, first thing was the computer. Right, because of a computer, I'm able to have a full recording session in my house. Before that, you have to go to a place.

You had to get a real to real machine and you had to do this, and you have to like four people doing this whole thing. Now we can do it at home. Same thing with video: I can shoot with my phone, I can edit on the computer, I can edit on the phone, right, so the AI thing, it's definitely. There's a conundrum in there. Because I don't think it's going to take away from the artist, from, like, people's being creative. I mean, if you're a musician and you play instruments, I want to see you play instrument.

I don't want to see somebody on my computer which I kind of do that like I'm building this whole life: computers, slash machines, setup where it's like I'm playing with the computer but I'm also tweaking maps and pressing buttons, you know, and it's. It's funny because the whole thing with the music and being a DJ, like the DJ thing, went through the phases of, well, we're playing vinyl, right, and then I think, oh, you're playing CDs. Well, it's not the same and it's just not a vinyl warmer and this and that. And then here comes the computer. It's like, well, I could do everything you guys were doing.

Yes, it doesn't sound as amazing, but give me some time and I can let you do other stuff that none of this is gonna let you do. And people were complaining about it for a while and then it just became like it's a tool and it's fun, like I cannot tell you. I love playing records, I love playing CDs, I love playing with the machines, but I also love playing with my computer and it's just so different.

So with AI, I think what's going to happen is that it's also another tool that's going to help you expand, I think, your visions and I think it's going to also give people that don't have a single creative bone the ability of doing something nice, let's say, for their kids, like I'm gonna take a picture of. So the other day I visited my nephew's kid, right, and he was. He was at the hospital, I was getting some procedure done and I had to tell him: look, man, Spiderman used to eat his veggies. He's like why? He's like, yes, so wait a minute, veggies, you need to eat your veggies.

I went online and, like Spider-Man eating veggies, I found a picture, Spiderman with fruits and veggies, and he was like: whoa, that's amazing. So right then, and there I'm thinking, all right, wait till I get home, I'm going to start feeding your pretty face into Ai and then try to get some Spiderman thing going on and blow his mind. You know, and that's something that we couldn't do when we were kids. Right, like, the best thing you could do is like: either take a picture or can you, can you draw me? And not everybody could draw.

So there's that aspect of it, right, but also kind of like like Fast fashion. Right, like disposable stuff. AI is going to start making disposable stuff, like ambient music. We don't need normal music, we're just gonna have ai spitting out tones and rhythms that are going to be calming and soothing to the people that are in there, based on the season and the marketing studies and what country you're in like. Do you know what I mean?

50:03 - Kirupa (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=3003s)

The latest announcement from Google a couple of days ago was that they can actually generate really high-quality music based on prompts. They don't do lyrics well yet, but you describe it and, just like Stable Diffusion and Midjourney give you visuals, they actually now create really high-quality music.

50:20 - Marvin Nolasco (aka Technolasko) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=3020s)

So because of the music thing, I've been paying close attention to this. The first time I saw AI implemented in music, it was a sound-separation software featured at the BBC and it was called Hit'n'Mix. What they did was take the intro theme from the BBC News, with the little bleep and everything, feed it in, and then show you a spectrum of the sound wave so you could separate it. Okay, well, here's the drums. I'm going to mute the drums, I'm going to mute this, I'm going to use that. And I was like whoa, and this was like 12, 15 years ago. I just didn't have a computer to run it.

Now it's just, it's awesome, and I again, I see it as a tool, I can see it as a companion. It's like, hey, you're going to help me finish this chord progression, you know. And because the reality is like, look, I have drum machines that have default patterns, right. People that that make music, they use sample Banks, right, the same way that that we use patterns or swatches or whatever to design like these are helpers. It's just that this is something you type in and you get it there instead of going through your catalog. It's like, okay, I need something that matches this.

So I see AI being like like kind of good, like it's. I'm really excited to use it as a tool to assist. The other thing is that it's going to help me recover, let's say, old photos. You know like I've tried some AI cleaning photos of tools out there and not bad. I know Adobe has their own stuff- Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop- and they just dropped their new Sensei power, blah, blah.

But there's a couple of companies that have like stuff they specialize in just that, and I shot an event the other day and the party was kind of dark and my ISO was cranked up and the photos were not something I would use. So then I opened up my shutter and then decided to be a little blurry. I ran it through the software and it really surprised me what I was able to do. It gave me some sharpening, it gave me some cleaning and it just made the photos like here. This is presentable now and I can see that being part of my workflow. You know what I mean?

It's part of the workflow. I'm not just going to feed it all my work, because you have to babysit these things too. You have to tell it, I want this to look like this. So I'm down for the assistance. I'm down for the help.

53:01 - Kirupa (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=3181s)

Do you ever fear the world where the assistance becomes a replacement? We talked about how, imagine a Boston Dynamics robot that can do all these things, also knows how to work a room at a party, and is able to take all these photos and so on. One argument is that this means your time is freed up to do things that it cannot do, so you're moving up the creative value chain.

53:25 - Marvin Nolasco (aka Technolasko) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=3205s)

I mean it's it is going to help with saving time. I think, there will be a room where you don't need, the same way that you know you give somebody a mix CD and they'll play it at the bar instead of booking you. It's just, you know, I don't need to book this here, I'm just gonna put it in there and display it. It's the same thing. But when you have somebody in front of you, it's a person, it's a show, it's energy, it's an exchange. Right, I could tell like it's like church dude.

I started to reconnect with nightlife, after a long, long break and like I was in it, in it and being back in with a different mind, completely fresh and a different approach. It's just like it's very rewarding and it's. It's like it's become like a spiritual thing and I just go out and I get to meet people and we get to talk. Sometimes we talk about music. Sometimes I go out. I don't want to talk about music because that's the other thing.

Like I don't do this when I'm at a place where people just want to do that, I was like: no, I want to know how the person that does the music is the way. How is life. You know what I mean. People forget that. You know they just, oh my God, I can't believe. And you- and here's my info- and I was like they're humans, they're like, take it easy, it's, you know, but it's so rewarding and it's so lifting that it's. I don't see a robot doing that for me. I don't see an automated mix like creating that. I don't see.

I mean, yeah, even in virtual reality, it's like, it's fun. Like there's an app where you can DJ when you have gear and you bring your friends, you have a room with like 20 little avatars and it's cool, but it's not the same at all, so that's not going to go away. The art world- I mean painting and stuff like that and graphics for t-shirts- I mean it's doing amazing web designers like amazing web design. I saw some layoffs. That's beautiful, that's amazing.

Like, like, beautiful, beautiful ideas, you know, and still playing within the parameters of kind of like where we left off, which is fascinating, because it didn't like blow my mind, except for 3jx. That was when I was like, yeah, this is good stuff, this is the, this is like I need to peek out of this. So it's, I don't think, yeah, it's gonna take, it's gonna put a few people at work, definitely like, if you have a team of people doing SEO and you just need two people and check GBP, hey, I need the top hits for this and that.

And here it is, Sir, and that's it like, why am I paying this guy five thousand dollars? I could pay GPT, whatever their fee is, and they have that help, you know. So it's yeah, it's part of time, so it's part of like the other people think what's gonna happen. It's just fast, it's just really really fast. Like it is so fast trying to keep up with all these new clones of mid-journey and chat, GPT and all these places that are popping up on the Internet. It's just like, oh my God, how do these people do it?

Like I'm just gonna have to like grab onto something and stop and start trying to like function from there, but keep an eye out on like the growth, because it's out there, and I think people should just start embracing it differently, start thinking about it instead of like it's taking you. They're taking our jobs, like in South Park. You know it's like well, how can you make that work for you then? Because at the end of the day, there's the business and then there is being an artist or producing or professional, whatever it is. It's like when you're an artist, you're just an artist, you just do.

I mean, I just do a group. I don't really have an agenda when I make music. It's not going to be like charted on people, it's like no, I just felt weird that day and I make something that I connected with you know, I think this time I was going through something, so I went in with those colors and, yeah, I don't think that's going to disappear. If anything, I think is going to Value more the artists and a lot of people that are just doing it because it's cool, it's trending and it's like, oh well, somebody paid this and that for that. Nft course, I bought.

Somebody bought a painting for fifty thousand dollars in El Paso. It's like, well, are you really into that? Because if you're not, like, you're gonna quit. I know a lot of people that quit, a lot of very talented people that just stopped and I was like: how do you do that? How do you quit music? How do you quit being a 3D designer like the most talented people I've known? You just give up. Oh, I'm doing it. I was like, okay, can't you do 3D and decide like what? So I don't know, maybe we're like coming up on.

58:36 - Kirupa (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=3516s)

Right, you know, I know we're coming up on time here. So like one last you know comment and get your take on it. It all goes back to again, like when you think about like intrinsic and extrinsic, like motivation and rewards. You know it's like: are you doing things for the external validation? Is it because you were doing things because you like the how you get from, like seeing you know, all those likes and this retweets and people watching your videos and so on?

Or are you doing it because you just genuinely enjoyed the process of becoming a better artist, like you mentioned, being able to connect with other people more? Those are things that you can't really be taken away from you. You know you can't lose that because you know some new technology comes by or so on, and what I've historically found are the more successful people in the creative industry, because the liquid industry can be a grind.

Sometimes it is, but if your motivation for doing this- because you just genuinely enjoy it, you know it's because you want to become a better person- find yourself, you know, in a process, information about how you do things in a more different way. I think those are the kinds of things where it doesn't matter what the world is like you're still going to keep doing it because you genuinely enjoy the art of doing that. I think that plays a huge role in between the ones who are doing this for like 20, 30 years but just want to do it for a couple of years and then just quit.

You know, the things that keep the engine running are different.

1:00:00 - Marvin Nolasco (aka Technolasko) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=3600s)

I totally agree. For me, the idea of having a bunch of followers online kind of freaks me out. I see people who have 20,000 followers and, you know, when you're a DJ you're expected to be goofy, and people say goofy stuff when you're being serious. I'm like, I don't want to babysit strangers. I'm an artist, I'm an individual, I'm very private, and I like my privacy. I'm not interested in likes like because I guess I saw the whole technology develop right and just from from the beginning beginning it's like well, why am I building these people? Why am I giving them content? Like I'm building their platform.

They should be paying me and then when I want to promote my art, I have to pay them five dollars so people can see my post about my pages. Like no, no, so I and I just went down that route. It's like you know if people want to follow pool, but like you see what I post on Twitter, I'm into the technology and cute stuff. I try to stay away from the politics because it's a heartbreak and we can't really have deep conversations on.

You know, so many characters like some of these things are like deep and we have to go into history and we have to go like, hey, sorry about what your grandma told you, but this is what actually happened and you know what I mean. So it's very emotional. So I just like, I just do, I just do and I love the fact that I have the opportunity to like like I can go to a party- a good party- and just bring my camera.

Like this weekend there was an opening for a new venue in Brooklyn and I brought my camera and I was able to climb on top by the, by the guys doing the lasers and the projection and just get this beautiful, amazing shot. And it's like like stuff like that. I get a kick out of it. You know, it's like I bring my camera to parties- why not? And I share the photos and people love it.

And- and it's not because it's gonna like it does give me access- I'm not gonna lie to you- like the camera has given me access to a lot of rooms, to a lot of people that I would never have at other stages, a lot of VIP stuff. But it's also because it's a creative thing and I'm passionate about it. I like it, like I see people that just work.

Very like if I work a party, I still to the end I want to see the guy closing the party and people being emotional like, oh my God, and that sounds so beautiful and the lights come on and there's this like churchy feeling to it. It's like I want to see that, I want to be part of that. Most people that work parties like yo, it's 3, 30, I'm out, I'm done. I don't want to see this like I gotta go. So for me it's just creativity just burns into it.

And the more time I have and like as soon as I start understanding programming, I say, oh my God, this is going to be amazing. I can start, but I don't Kid myself, I don't have the mental space and throw in a whole another world of like you know what I mean. Just like I can't program from scratch, that's not my world. But I can build and then like, okay, let's fix the program, let's look at this and make it work. So that's why I also had to come to terms with that. It's like I can't chase the JavaScript Rabbit Hole. This is like deep, this is.

It's gonna take me some time, and this was years ago when I committed to that. You know what, I'll find somebody and they specialize in there and they'll take care of that business. So, as a creative person, I had to also learn to just let go of certain things like: this is out of my league, this goes to you and I wanted to do this, but I also want to learn too, because I want to be able to understand it. How did you do that? Okay, so I could fix it. Did that answer your question?

1:03:43 - Kirupa (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=3823s)

That answered that and so much more. I don't think you've been in this show on a higher note than that one, Marvin. So that's awesome, great response and you know. Thanks for taking the time to chat, and I think we should definitely just a few more times, you know, because there's a lot more things I want to go deeper into, especially electronic music, which is something I'm a big hobby of, stuff as well.

1:04:02 - Marvin Nolasco (aka Technolasko) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlfcy8iBCo&t=3842s)

Well, it's been awesome. Thank you. We can talk for hours. I know we could talk for hours here, and I'm very thankful for that.


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