Read this get mad send email

[fester8542]

Look at this job posting! Unbelievable!

If you would like to send a retalitatory email just like I did you can cantact them at:

http://www.mediawell.com


“Web Designer. These days so-called web designers are a
dime a dozen. As the most replacable unimportant person
in the company, expect long hours and low pay. Flash,
Dreamweaver, PhotoShop knowledge required. Don't worry,
you can pick up the skills for this position in about a
weekend. Salary DOE ($15k-18k).”

[sintax321]

What a bunch of ****s. E-mails will be sent. Why do people think they can treat us like crap:(
I thought for sure this was a joke. Who do they think makes there company. If they don't have any web desingers they don't have any product for the client. If I worked there I would walk out and see how far they get

[mdipi]

well one thing, graphic desgin IS getting easyer b/c of tools, but still that is just plain,,,,UGHH! that pisses me off. I am 13 and know that it is not easy at all, these ****s think it is?! well then why dont they do it?



escuse my language,


-mike:cyclops:

[sintax321]

They paying there programes 75k- 150k. Both jobs require a lot of skill and talent.

[telekinesis]

It doesn't matter to me, I am not in this to make money, I do it for fun....hmmmm, maybe that's why I suck!

[SureShot]

Originally posted by mdipi.com
well one thing, graphic desgin IS getting easyer b/c of tools

I dont agree with this. Sure it's getting easier to achieve the effects that you want because of the programs but that doesnt mean it will look good. You have to learn how to design, how to make things look good. Anyone can pick up photoshop and learn the filters and make lightning bolts and grass and so forth, but if it doesnt look good - then why do it.

Designing is a talent, you either have it or you try and learn it. I went to school for 3 years for graphic design and let me tell you - some people just couldnt get it. Sure they knew how to use programs and such but the overall look was terrible.

I get pissed when I read stuff like this - some people have no idea...

[sintax321]

True that:P
And with the tools getting better people want better things than before. They expect more for less

[telekinesis]

Should we hire an assassin?

I nominate phil!

[lostinbeta]

That is messed up. They are total ****s.

Frankly, Web <B>Design</B> is not that simple. Sure there are a lot of people that can build sites, but about 1/4 of those people can actually design and build a functional... nice site.

And as Sure Shot said, sure Photoshop has gotten easier, but if you can't do anything but crappy tacky effects with filters, then you are stupid and shouldn't design (unless you practice and learn to do more than just filter..filter..filter).

[sintax321]

Yes phil is our man. Or mabye Kirupas secret agancy can take care of this little matter:P

[mdipi]

true that you do need talent and an eye, but look at me, i am 13 w/ a crack of PS and FMX and i can atcheve some pretty cool stuff. but still this is after literally HUNDREDS of hours so just PS alone then FMX alone. so it is true that its not that easy, but if you are just going for some crappy piece then it is easy. but otherwise it is hard work and dentermiation.

man i sound really hypocritcal! but it can be won both ways, but untill those guys get behind PS and do it themselves as good as lost for example, they cant say smack!



-mike:cyclops:

[sintax321]

It is all about creativity. If you have none u got nothing. I have a couple of friends that think they are wizards because they can do a motion tween. The ycouldn't design there way out of a wet paper bag. Not that I'm some creative god but these guys suck.

[reverendflash]

These guys are out of New Orleans? no wonder they don't pay... I love NOLA as much as the next guy, but it is dirt cheap to live in the area...


They will get what they pay for. I have a friend in the Tampa area who doesn't pay his web designers anything! He uses high school and design school interns, and just keeps rotating them. Personally I think that stinks, but then again as he says, I am giving them experience, and the market is flooded with applicants.

I don't think sending an email of any kind will do anything but release your rage. It will have little effect on them... =)

JMHO,

Rev:elderly:

[fester8542]

Rev,

I am not so sure they are basing thier salary on demographics.

If you go to the site you will see that are willing to pay pearl coders 75K, and financial officers 300-500K a year.

It just boils down to blatent misrepresentation of what we do. Clearly this is one company anyone here would never send a resume to.

But it is nice to know it pissed you all off as much as it did me.

:)

[lostinbeta]

I will feel sorry for the person who actually applies there and gets the job.

BTW: If Graphic and Web Design is SOOOOO simple and can be learned in a weekend..... why don't they do it themselves?

[Guig0]

Hey guys, this must be a HOAX, does anyone heard about that crapy company before?

This gotta be a bad joke by a frustrated programmer.:P

[reverendflash]

If it isn't a hoax, then they will get the "weekend taught" web designers they pay for...

My friend in Tampa runs a web dev company, and pays his designers very little. They publish crap, but his clients pay for it ($200-500/site). They even say they are experienced in Flash! I won't talk to him about web stuff anymore, I just end up giving away my knowledge and experience and gain nothing but a headache in return.

I won't say it to him, but I kinda think of it as "virtual pimping." :P

Rev:elderly:

[lostinbeta]

Boy do I know what you mean. I know this one dude who knows nothing about web design, and he is always asking how to do this, how to do that, but when I tell him, he doesn't understand a word I say. And when I tell him to put certain code between the head tags he asks me what the head tags are! GRRRR, I just avoid his questions now... or I send him links to sites to learn HTML...HAHA.

[Guig0]

"virtual pimping."

:smirk: :) :P :beam: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

:snif:that´s the best term EVER!!!

[bit-101]

i'm sure it's a joke. i think the message is, "we are not hiring web designers".

the dime a dozen part has some truth to it. during the big boom of the late 90's everyone became a "web designer". you didn't have to know a thing.

my first flash job was just like that. my friend played around with flash for a couple of weeks then went to this company and said he was like the world expert. they paid him $100 an hour to do a site, on his word alone. he called me in to help. i knew less about flash than him at the time, and i was getting $100 an hour.

anyway, the point is, there were thousands of guys like us, but in real full time jobs. then it crashed. then there were thousands of guys who called themselves web designers who really weren't that good.

ummm....i kind of lost track of what i was saying. :/

[dexa_007]

I'm 5 ... no, 8 ... er, did I mention I'm 7? ... and I do okay too. But there's no substitute for experience. Someday I'll get me some.

:P

Dex

"Age is no singular indication of wisdom OR success ..."

[telekinesis]

I looked at your profile, are you really a high school principal 007?

[sintax321]

I don'y know It doesn't seem like a joke

[dexa_007]

Yes ... yes I am.

My age is deceiving. :P

Dex

[sintax321]

How old are u then?

[Jubba]

Dan if you are looking for a hitman, call me. I was just discussing the other day how being an assassin would be my ideal occupation. I know it sounds kind of twisted but I have much pent up aggression, and a desire to rid the world of stupid people. So I figured I could put it to good use and make some money while I'm at it. Get a pool together and whatever we raise I will take for finding the head of this company and finding various ways to torture him.

[dexa_007]

You guys missed my point. Nevermind. It was of trivial mush anyway.

I'm 5+3+6+10+1+8+2

:rambo:

[Raydred]

Wow thats pretty strait forward..
lol but i cant help to laugh, because they have no idea what Design is =)


Yes tools are getting easier, but creativity is what people pay for. anyone can learn photoshop, but not everyone is creative and good at it.

Like my friend, he knows PS in and out, i mean wow, alot better than i know it. However, he cant design worth crap! And he knows it, but hes also a kick *** programmer lol so it ballances out.

And if they want a quick cheap web developers, then they'll get quick cheap designs =)

[dexa_007]

What Ray said.

[reverendflash]

I saw a job opportunity the other day:

7 years IT
5 years Web

then went on to say 4 yr degree, etc.

think about what was going on in 1995... Windows 3.1 for workgroups, Novel networks... then think about whas going on in 1997... Netscape was huge, Photoshop was not released for PC, Flash didn't really have AS to speak of...

I applied, didn't even get a response... =)

tough requirements...

Rev:elderly:

[sintax321]

What a crazy world we have made for our selves:(
A guy i know who has no flash experance just got a job a a flash designer for a company. This really makes me made. I also think he used some of my portfoilo work. I think his knee caps are about to be introduced to my louisville slugger:evil: :evil: :evil:

Like how did this loser get a job with no tranning, no degrees, and no portfolio.:evil:

[reverendflash]

a lot of it is location...

I just happen to live in the remains of the bubble... :P

most of the crap designers have left town, so the competition is really steep. :-\

But then again, there are a lot more opportunities here, so a good designer can make ends meet. =)

...most of the time :P

Rev:elderly:

[bit-101]

i gave up looking for work, and just started doing what i love to do with Flash. funny thing is i now have 7 freelance projects going, all but one from people i never knew emailing me asking if i could do a project for them.

[Jubba]

I'm not really bothered by it because as it was said before. They will get what they pay for. If they seriously think that these skills can be taught in a weekend then they should just teach themselves and not pay anyone extra to do it. But also, they may just be looking for minor things. I learned how to make awesome motion tweens and stuff in a weekend, and I navigate around photoshop in a week or so. The basics to these programs don't take a lot of time, but the more complicated things take a lifetime to learn.

Another reason this doesn't bother me. I am not a web designer. I am an archaeologist (or at least I will be) studying native american tribes in the South West US, Mexico and Latin American areas. I will not really need to worry about what web developers are getting paid or whether or not they are being mistreated. I agree that they should get more respect but this argument does not really pertain to me. I will probably continue to be interested in web design as a hobby and maybe a side project, however it will not be the main staple of my income....

[sintax321]

I wish. Ive been trying to find contract work but it just aint happening. I can even do it cheaper for a US company due to the exchange rate but still no takers.:(

[Raydred]

If I knew that today the computer industry would be where its at, i would have gotten my degree in computer science 12 years ago!!


However, i would have been 8 and a genius..

But its ok because now im a genius. =) hehe jk

[sintax321]

You lucky Jubba. You have another carrier in mind. I was ready and accepted to take law but then I realized it wasn't what I wanted to do. This is all I know. This what i love and it is what I want to do for a living. The problem is attitudes like theres brin sown the proffesion. U should get into more web design because u are very talanted at it:)

[fester8542]

Sintax,

you should check out this site

http://www.creativemoonlighter.com

Its like a web disigner ebay.

I see alot of foreign (outside USA) projects get jobbed out to other countries

just an FYI

[sintax321]

Thanks man. I'll check it out. Mabye I'll get lucky:) :-\

[sintax321]

Do you think this place is on the up and up. It seems you have to pay the few to be able to bid on anything. Every thing has 10+ bids. Huh would it be worth paying the fee. Just getting one job would be more than worth it.:-\

[kira]

you guys are totally right- i can hardly believe that's a real job ad- they must not be too serious about getting someone, nor be very professional themselves.

what completely ticks me off (while remaining relevant) --- and i hope not to piss anybody off here--- but i find those "offshore" companies (are they on an oil rig or what?!!) who can spit out sites for $50 completely aggravating!!! ---- i get the impression that the cost of living is low over there and they've got lots of smart kids in school (maybe on scholarships?) and so some of these companies can afford to hire them CHEAP and put out pretty decent work - but then everybody starts to expect all designers to do the same, and it ain't gonna happen!

--- sidenote: i just had it out with a clt today and i went to his site to make sure i didn't leave any files there bc i don't think we're on speaking terms anymore -- and he's one of those "i want 30 flashing email icons on my index page!" i've steered him away from that and he doesn't appreciate it at all. oh well :)

and i think the software is easier but more complex- so if you want to be a beginner, maybe that's great, but for doing really intense work, it's just as hard as it ever was, bc there's a lot more functionality to the apps nowadays... (just my 2¢) ~~lmao @ frontpage and the neighbor's husband's 3rd cousin's mailman!!! too true ;)

btw: anybody got any extra freelance design work? *blinks eyelashes fiercely*:beam:

--- ok now i am REALLY going to drink a beer - hey! i'm missing the simpsons!

[DDD]

I have found that the more tools out there and the easier they make it to make websites it kinda makes it better for us. Let me explain. The more people who get frontpage sites out there make our superior designs seem just that much more better. I have had several re-designs requested because someone let their Sister's husband half cousin who they heard does sites do their website. And it came out crappy. It is a specialized trait. Anyone can buy wrenches and that does not put any mechanic shop in danger. It lends to the perils of doing it yourself. You have to have a real passion to do what we do or you wont do it well. I have been lucky to land the job I have. I have recently decided to do freelance work and have been hit with a landslide of projects. I have really supplemented my income. By continuing to raise the bar with our designs there will alway be jobs and contracts to be had. And yes it is competitive. Kepp your quality high and your overhead low and you will be alright. But the way the industry is going you will do yourself some good to learn a few programming languages.

One more thing the best advertising tool is word of mouth. Keep the customers happy and they will speak for you. I have not even completed my site and I have been overrun with stuff.

[sintax321]

Wow this is such an old thread. What is funny is in my previous post I mentioned a friend with no experiance who got a web design job. He quit his regular job to do it. THe company went under last month. Did i laugh my *** off when i heard that. :beam: