Time Travel...

[Raydred]

Ok, I know in the U.S. we change our clocks back an hour..

Which makes me wonder about the possiblities of traveling back in time. It IS possible and it happens once a year! I had an epiphany. I was watching a show, and went to see what was on next and found that 1:00a came twice. This thus proves that we did Indeed travel back in time. Im pondering though that since we traveled only one hour no one noticed. But what if we turned our clocks back so far, like 100 years. I have a theory that we would adpot 1902 style clothing and technology. This would cause a global regress 100 years.

Wait.. no that wouldnt happen.

or would it..?

do do do do .. *twilight zone theme*

=)

[lostinbeta]

Yeah, but if you think about it, when the same time comes around again, and you watch tv, the same episode of whatever you were watching doesn't play again.

Instead it is usually infomercials or some other episode to replace it.

Soooooo, I think the whole world has to collaborate with the same time and then turn the clocks back for this theory to work :P

[Makaveli]

:asian: :cowboy: :hat: :P

EXCELLENTYMENTO

[Raydred]

hmm, good point, but i think the battery companies snychronize this effort..

They make batteries that go dead at a certin time, so when youy go buy new ones, it like ,re-sets the clocks back at... the... ok i really have no idea what im saying, im sticking with my original theory lol =)

IT MUST BE TRUE CAUSE I READ IT!

lol
=)

[lostinbeta]

HAHAHAHHAHA =) :P :)

Thats great :)

[Makaveli]

are u still in Beta?! i want a revised edition!

[lostinbeta]

It got lost :P

Which reminds me, I really need to update my site :-\

[Raydred]

Yes im totally familiar with Most of the Time Travel theories, but mine is silly in nature therefore WILL WORK! Mwhaha! =)

Besides we're always traveling thru time, but the direction is only forward.

[upuaut]

Art Bell had on a guest who claimed to have a time machine. It was a giant power coil of some sort which he was to walk through when it was all powered up. So he gets on Coast to coast, powers up the device, walks through it, and vaporizes.
anyone taking bets that he's blown his molecules across the cosmos? :)

I have faith that we'll discover the trick to this, believe it or not. Physics is wild stuff, and we are just breaking through the locks now. What form it will take, (ie if you can go back only, or both directions; wether you can change things or not. etc) I wont speculate on; but I'm convinced that it's probable tech.

[Raydred]

I can see that theory as could be relevant..


Some people argue though, if we can achieve time travel, we would have been visited already. However its likely that history has been altered but we would never know it because this is Our History. Just time travel have some very odd Paradoxes, and some that i deem kinda borderline insane and off the wall..

=)

[Raydred]

Oh and also i read something that someone dis-proved Einstien's E=mc^2 formula. Which if true, is awesome because that means we , in theory, can go faster than the speed of light, once we achieve that, time travel is close at hand. =)

in my mind anyway..

[Raydred]

I pretty much think time travel would be a one way trip.
Theoretically if you go fast enough time will slow down, and stop and reverse.. As a result your stuck in the past.. you cant go Faster to return to the present, so something else must make time travel possible.

Unless time is defined by alternate universes, and you'd have to create some sort of tunnel and maybe possible to travel back and forth.

[lostinbeta]

20 years by your time. And you are traveleing the speed of light.

20 years in your time at the speed of light is equal to 15,000 years of the time here on Earth.

So double that and you get 30,000 years.

Science is my area.... I love it oh so much.

[lostinbeta]

Math unfortunately was my worst subject ever....sigh. I am not sure if I can break it all down into a tiny formula.

Maybe Einstein will come back and do it for me? That would rock, just let me travel back and ask him :beam:

[lostinbeta]

Maybe this will help....

http://www.physics.nus.edu.sg/~phyteoe/projects/gateway/dilation.html

It is a link on this Time Dilation theory thing. Very interesting indeed. I have never really read up on it, but I have heard of it.

[eilsoe]

That made absolutely zero sense to me....

[Kitiara]

How about when you travel to Australia, and you gain a day? So you leave on the 21st and arrive on the 23rd or something?

[eilsoe]

There's just too many variables in this for me to handle right now... :(

Pretty tired...


But yeah, pj, your math is easier to understand... :)

[andr.in]

huihh....:x
you guys rock!
I wish I had something wize to say about time travel...:-\
I love sciense and physics :)
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phil: Every time someone travels back in time they create a ripple that 'ripples' through the material creation. Every living thing feels it. And many of the higher life forms realize that they were bumped back a second or two in time, YET they realize this as a 'deja vu' experience.
the longest deja vu thingy that I have felt was about 2-3 minutes :P :) This si soo exciting, yet I don't know nothing about physics.. sciense ...and... stuff...
I have heard about the "E=mc2" thiny but I have absolutlety no idea what that is... :)

eilsoe: There's just too many variables in this for me to handle right now...
Same here :)

[lostinbeta]

I get deja vu at least 3 times a week. Literally.

I have had it last about 2 minutes. And I have had it where I sort of knew what was going to happen.

It is very weird........ I hate deja vu.

[Raydred]

Its actually been proven, and i think phil mentioned this,
that if 2 synched watches , and take one into space and back, when you get back it'll be unsyched, which means, one clock ran slower than the other one.

so this is how it breaks down.

The Faster we go, in a short amount of time, the more time slows down. We dont see it, we dont really feel it, but time slows down a bit. It happens here on earth , its just so miniscule that no one notices. But take that time over a distance...

Say your traveling at the speed of light, you travel to somewhere that takes you 20 years at the speed of light, and 20 years back. And you do age 20 years in the space ship, so take my age, im 20, now i get back and im 40 and everyone is dead. Its because time is relitive.

Its hard to explain, but the phemonenon is called the "Twin Paradox". Heres a good animation and example here..

http://www3.ltu.edu/~s_schneider/physlets/main/twinparadox.shtml

play with the values on that java appelet, and do something like 100 light years with .99 speed, and you'll see the progression.


also if you're interested, check this out too..:
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/TwinParadox/twin_paradox.html

Check it out, and if your still confused, we'll still talk about it, its awesome stuff =)

[lostinbeta]

That is wicked cool and makes perfect sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I never knew that it was proven that different speeds really do effect time :o

[Raydred]

yea =) its a very odd phemonimon,

I love this stuff! =) its great!

but thats why i say its a one way trip, you cant evee go back to your present. =)

[lostinbeta]

What about if you move backwards :P

Yeah, that sorta makes no sense, but it sorta does. Since you are either going into or against the earths rotation the speed will be calculated different.

I don't know, just babbling, don't mind me.

[Raydred]

Oh and another cool thing is,

Light travels very fast by our terms,..
But have you ever looked up at the stars? Those stars are ages old. We're now seeing their light that was emitted thousands, maybe billions of years ago.

and there are new stars beign born that we cannot see yet and wont for a while..

And so thats why astonomers are looking farther and farther into the universe, because its like they are going back in time =)

dont believe me? take the sun for example.
It takes 8 mins for the suns light to emit from the sun to earth.

So when you look at the sun (not directly i hope hehe) you're seeing the sun how it was 8 mins ago =) so if the sun collapsed, it would take 8 mins till we saw no light.. =) cool eh?

[Raydred]

Lost,

hehe yea, if you move backwards,

still if You move backwards, its still going forward in time, because what is backwards to us, a forward motion facing the opposite direction =)

so it still wouldnt work.

Ok heres the theories on how to get back and forth thru time...

To go backwards in time, Travel so fast, faster than light, so that time will slow down, and stop then reverse..

or go forward in time,
Travel out somewhere very fast and come back..

those are the only ways i'd know how to move back and forth. hehe but still would take lots of energy.

Now another theory would be what if time is described and placed in other dimensions of space and time, well if that was the case you coudl theorettically create a worm hole between the 2 time dimensions and go back and forth.

However then if you go back in time you're messing with history and causing rippels and etc.. =) lol

[lostinbeta]

Yeah, that is info I already knew.

My dad used to teach me astronomy stuff when I was little so I know a lot about space and stuff.

And how our milky way galazy is slowly moving (by space standards that is, in actuality it is moving incredibly fast) and our neighbor galaxy (is it andromeda... i forget?) is moving towards us, and we are moving towards it and in a few million years we will collide, and converge into one. (of course theory)

They have seen things like it in other galaxies that they recorded. Where the galaxies collided and some of them destroyed eachother and others actually melded to become one larger.

I don't know how they recorded that since it takes a long time to do, but I saw it on the discovery channel.

[Raydred]

possibly the recording was a 3d rendered thing or a simulation of some sort,

most things you see on those channels are simulated or have an artists rendition =) because its hard to capture this stuff =)

[lostinbeta]

They showed sattelite photos of some like halfway converged.

[Raydred]

hmm cool i'd like to see those =)

[lostinbeta]

Umm.... this is scientific, not religious :P

It can't really be proven god made everything, but science has proved the whole light theory :) :o :P

[lostinbeta]

haha :)

[vts31]

time dilation is a PROVEN phgenomena.

time travel will never come to be. sorry but its just not gonna happen. =/. refer to current research done by hawkins as to why.

[lostinbeta]

We already said Time Dilation was proven :)

As for time travel not possible..... DON'T RUIN OUR DREAMS MAN!!!!!!!!!!! :P :P :P

[vts31]

nothing to do with God. just physics. btw ur logic in the light traveling being billions of years old and the object only being a few thousand years, plus the earth being young, sounds severely flawed.

wow i just reread my post and i sound like an *** hole. im sorry :( im a in a rush.

[Raydred]

VTS, to say time travel is not possible is kinda giving up ..

im not saying its completly possible, and im not saying it isnt, what i am saying is maybe Hawking is wrong? (and possibly so because hes human) I think we'll always strive to better ourselves and thinking of new theories etc.. I think right now, time travel is not possible. But who knows in the futured maybe.. =)

Phil,

Dr, Steven Hawkings,
hes a cosmologist whos in a wheel chair, talks with his computer, i'd say one of the brightest man ever, puts him right up with with all the rest in history. does most of his work in Time travel, quantum mechanics, space time continum stuff etc..

Brilliant man, if i could be 1/10th as smart he is, i'd be doing good lol

[lostinbeta]

I think he is considered one of the worlds top known geniuses.... literally.

[Raydred]

I think if i could meet Dr. Hawking, i'd be like a teenage girl at a Nsync Concert lol (not litterally) but man, i'l be like ..whoa.. and then, yea.. =) lol

[Raydred]

Im watching a show on Gallelo, now, he too was a genuis for his time =)

[reverendflash]

Nova is so cool...

:cool:
Rev:elderly:

[Raydred]

lol oh yea! You watching PBS too? lol =)

[reverendflash]

just finished...

:pirate:

Rev:elderly:

[Raydred]

lol rock on! =) thats too cool =)
=)

[reverendflash]

He dies at the end you know... :P

Rev:elderly:

[Raydred]

Oh thanks for spoiling it for me!!! Its pointless to watch now!
lol jk =)

hehe yea. i know that =)

[upuaut]

Just for the record, in science, nothing is proven, only disproven. THAT is a fact. Secondly, Einstein was thought a nut for years, then a genius, and now, his theories are being proved wrong again. I would not hold that Hawkins theories are absolute, and I doubt that he would either. He's going off of the data that we have today, not the data that we may have in 20 years.

In our lifetime?, I doubt that we'll have timetravel, but a scientist should never say never. (of course Edwin, I know you're an artist, not a scientist, so I guess it's ok that you say never. ;) )

[Raydred]

I agree with you 100% David, thats kinda what i was trying to say, but didnt quite make it that way =)

Science is ever changing with new theories and discoveries and i think its awesome that some of einsines theories are being disproven, not saying by doing so we make einstin a nut, but i mean it means the scientific community grows and builds on his fundmental theories. =)


Its awesome, i think we can achieve faster than light travel =)

[andr.in]

So many posts in one night!!!
Last evening: there were none!
This morning: took me some time to read!


phil: You must be gifted. 2-3 minutes at a deja vu experience? The most mine have ever lasted is 2 seconds. Are you sure you weren't on drugs or anything?
lol! I'm not on drugs :)
Maybe it was about 1 minute but I felt like it was about 2 minutes. Maybe because like lost said that he knew what was going to happen. I knew that, too...
I love deja vus. so cool
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You know if you were millions of lightyears away from earth and you had a telescope or something with what you could zoom in so much that you can see a man standing on earth you then could see the dinosaurs and them creatures that lived here millions of years ago!
Cool isn't it :)

[upuaut]

vuja day, the feeling like you've absolutely never done this "before."

[upuaut]

lol.. that last post was more appropriate than I realized before I saw that you beat me to my post... now it all makes sense. :)

np Phil.. and thanks for recognizing that I'm objective. I do fail from time to time, but I try very hard to remain so.

It's easier for me, of course, being one who believes in extraterrestrial intervention in human history. It is not, after all really far off from creationism. :)

[Raydred]

ive had many of those. I have theories on deja-vu..

it comes from french meaning "Expirence again" (or somthing liek that)

My theory is this..

Our body subconsciously picking up small things, like sight, sound touches, and smells etc..

It stored these in our memory and sometimes keeps it there for sometime.

Everytime we expirence dejavu, some sight, smell , sound etc triggers these memories. When we get this feeling our brain tries to rationalize what happened, and so thus telling yourslef you've been here before or heard that before. Maybe we did , just didnt pick up on it, and i think expirences happen again and again, because we're in a daily routine (most of us) etc. =)

Thats my theory =).. ( i should write a book lol)

[Raydred]

that pick is bugging the heck out of me =) keeps flickering.. aK!


ahh bit better, but i dont like 1 frame movements lol

[upuaut]

back to the thread: It might be interesting to note that to VIEW the past may not be the time travel that every scifi nut wishes for, but it is still time travel. It may be possible to travel faster than light, out to distant stars, then view the light of earth from there, allowing us to view our own past. There is nothing paradoxical about it, or even difficult once you break the light barrier. With the object lessons of folded space being examined in superstring theories, the idea of FLT is not that difficult a concept to grasp.

Time travel may very well be possible in a way which Hawkins is not discribing.

[Raydred]

Yea i find that to be true. Since light does take millions of years to reach one point hehe

I think if i was in the future and could travel to distant planets etc, i'd want to see our earth just for curious sakes =)


My brain is shutting down, im thinking scientific fact such as,
"a rock is hard" is very intriguing lol that means i need sleep =)

[vts31]

david: i agree :). FTL is possible electron tunneling is one of the ways. but there are problems with sending information/matter faster than light. wormholes are the famous escape routes but who knows if we'll ever be able to create them. as far as timetravel i say its impossible because, say u have to mouths of a wormhole....u take one mouth and leave it stationary, the other is put on a space ship at relative speed so that significant time dilation kicks in, since the two mouths are 1 in a way, the travel time between both of them is 0 but since they are each in like their own "timezones" it can be thought of as a time mahcine. Problem is that particles between the mouths going back in time create a feedback type effect that produces: a. a lot of radioation and b.so much stress on the wormhole that it collapses it. even if you could go back in time, you wouldnt be traveling back to the original universe u strated with, it would be a parallel universe. a branch of the original.(multiverse theory). i think that fundamentaly the universe's arrow of time is there as a constant. entropy does increase and in the end even the infamous black holes do evaporate.


btw this is an interesting article on the origins of the universe(pre-bigbang)

http://discover.com/apr_02/featguth.html

[upuaut]

now now Phil, this is God's creation and it's beutiful even in it's current delapitated state. :)

as for your theory, for once you and I can agree on the nature of 'god'. As a 'patron to the Akastic records' my belief is that all spirit is part of god's essence, and when existing in only that place, we are all left outside of the dimension which we call 'time'. Either way, there's hope that each and every man will be able to view all of history from his place at god's side (or in my case, as god)

[vts31]

i recommend you guys buy " Neon Genesis: Evangelion" considered by many to have on of the most controvetial and compelling storylines ever, about god, humanity and humans. and the aimation is soo top notch!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000639E0/qid=1035963796/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/103-2835100-4227801?v=glance&n=507846

[upuaut]

That is a good article Edwin. It does a fairly descent job of describing something that is pretty beyond the majority of us.

[upuaut]

Oh yeah.. I forgot to mention my theory on Deja-vu.. silly me.

It is entirely possible (and likely probable) that Deja-vu is nothing more than chemical reaction.
This is not to say that there is no such thing as telepathy, empathy, or any other sort of mental extra sensory/manipulative powers. Even if one does subscribe to any of these things as a possibility it does not mean that every little feeling that people get from time to time are messages from the cosmos, or temporal site. Some people may experience something which is akin to sensing the future, but in general, people feel things all the time. Chemical reactions occur on their own, dependent upon outside data and or because of trauma to the body. In addition, each genetic sample is prone to, or excluded from some of the chemical reactions. All this adds up to a wide assortment of possible feelings and emotions for each individual.
The problem I find with this explination is that it does not take into account the wide assortment of people who experience the same, or similar feelings of a particular nature, like 'Deja-vu'. There is always the possibility of 'mass hysteria'. :P Probebly I would find a good explination for the effect if I looked hard enough into the anthropology of man. I find almost all mental quirks can be traced back into instinctual periods in man's developement.

[vts31]

i dont remember which SJ journal it was, but they had a snipet about how deja vu and also thinking that you dreamed something tat happened was indeed caused by a chemical reaction in the brain. i forget the exact details, sorry :( this was years ago.