akk any good designers here?

[j_polo9]

lol well of course in know there are a lot of great designers so here ya go:
http://www.norcaldesigns.com/jesse/chiro_logo.jpg


So if you can't tell i've not much experience with logos. Any and all help would be appreciated! the company is Muldavin Chiropractic. I'm just making a simple logo for a website. thanks,
-Jesse

Also any good designer books or sites to learn about making logos?

[Mik3]

lol well of course in know there are a lot of great designers so here ya go:
http://www.norcaldesigns.com/jesse/chiro_logo.jpg


So if you can't tell i've not much experience with logos. Any and all help would be appreciated! the company is Muldavin Chiropractic. I'm just making a simple logo for a website. thanks,
-Jesse

Also any good designer books or sites to learn about making logos?
I'm not sure this is the right forum... But the first logo is good, just make sure that isn't a font, try making your own vector M so it's original.

[Jasninder]

sorry but i like none of them, just dont

maybe you could try something related to their company's work
i dont know what the company is into otherwise i would hav given precise idea on what to do :)

& yea post it in drawing and design forum or critiques one =)

[j_polo9]

argh just realized this is random forum...my bad! I should probably have put this in critiques...

Any good tutorials on vecot M's, got any sugguestions on how to make a good one? No probs if you don't like, tell you the truth neither do I, which is why i am appealing for help.

Also they are a chiropractic company, thus the name Muldavin Chiropractic.

[Pomme_]

those first 2 logos look like the metro in Paris... :)

[j_polo9]

lol i've never been to paris but this guy is just a local (Sacramento) Chiropractor. Also he wants to be known as the golf doctor of sacramento, so that just gave me some new ideas. But i took some advice from above and came up with some concept logos:
http://www.norcaldesigns.com/jesse/chiro_logo_200.jpg

1: just added the c for chiro
2: those are all from a piece of a spine, it looks like crap but its just the concept idea.
3: Thats a spine underneath... is that creepy?
4: about the same as 2...just different spine.

[dale]

Thats a spine underneath... is that creepy?

yes, yes it is.

ummmn... hmmn... what to say...

i think the logo should have a larger "MC" with Muldavin Chiropractic underneath - so people know what it's about.

i like the idea of the spine but atm it looks like a dead snake lol. which might put people off.

maybe a simple vector spine?

it seems logos aren't your forte but keep going with it - follow the tips that have been mentioned in other threads about logos.

good luck with it!

-djn

EDIT: TOTALLY OFF TOPIC

i'm eating pizza with a knife and fork so as to not grease the keyboard... and i'm sitting at home at 9:45 on new year's eve typing on a forum - is it just me that finds that really sad? oh well - can't do much when you're not legal!

/EDIT

[kubik]

Hmmm ... creating logos is tricky business - "tricky" not necessarily in the sense of "difficult" but rather in the sense of "requires practice/experience". That's one of the reasons why large agencies frequently charge six digit figures for the development of what is commonly know as a "corporate identity" - part of which is the logo.

"Tricky" also because a logo symbol (like the ones in your first post) needs to fullfill many requirements in a form that, in order for it to work well, is as simple and easy to understand as possible. A good logo needs to:

be timeless (so you won't be embarassed looking at it two years from now)
be simple (fast to recognize and/or understand)
work in all sizes and media channels (from a billboard to business card)
be unique (so it stands out)
capture and communicate the personality/identity of its owner effectively

Also, many logos are comprised of two parts - the logo symbol and a word mark. E.g., "Lucent" - the logo symbol is the circle and the word mark is the company name next to/below it. Another (and rather ugly, imho) example of this structure would be Verizon.

This structure makes it easier to communicate the identity because it enables you to pick one unique/descriptive symbol and then use the name (in your case "Muldavin Chiropractic") as a secondary identifying attribute.

Using the "identity" assumption as the basis for your design work, you should proceed something like the following, getting answers to these questions from your client and/or answer them for yourself (client is usually better) and jot them down in form of a list of adjectives (approx. 3-5 each) that adequately describe each point ... (remember though, these are just a few basic pointers - depending on the kind of client you work with, the list of questions/items might vary greatly - the ones listed below should be a decent starting point, however)

who are these guys? are they young, old, progressive, conservative, traditional?
what does their work environment/office (in your case - "practice") look and feel like?
how do they want to portray themselves towards their target audience ("patients")?
who is their target audience? can it be segmented into certain groups of people that share common aspects (age, profession, hobbies, etc.)? what kind of identity would be most likely to appeal to each segment?


After you have compiled this list of adjectives, condense it as far as possible until you end up with a set of three or so adjectives that capture the identity of your client best ("core identity").

Next, I usually take my core identity and move on to developing a set of colors - "primary" (e.g., primary logo color) and "secondary" (e.g., secondary logo color, word mark, etc.), sometimes tertiary (e.g., third color used on business card, stationery, etc.) as well.

Sometime into the development of the color palette, I normally also begin looking at fonts and start playing with ideas for a logo symbol (shapes, color combinations, sizes, realtion of each of the elements to each other, placement, etc.)

At this point you should already have a pretty good idea of the "feel" of the identity (aka "brand") you are creating. I put together a quick sample sheet (sans colors since I don't really know anything about your client) that is not meant as a suggestion for possible logos but rather to illustrate how your choice of fonts, characters and combinations thereof can influence the "feel" of your logo symbol ...

http://www.efflog.org/_images/mc_logo_test.gif

In looking at each of the items above, it becomes quite obvious that even within the same font family (e.g., "Garamond" in the top row), even the choice of lowercase or uppercase letters can change the feel of the mark substantially - all lowercase could be considered to feel more "contemporary/modern", whereas the traditional upper-/lowercase spelling has a more "conservative/traditional" feel. The same is of course true for combinations of light/regular/bold as well as condensed/regular/extended font families.

Also, inverting the color scheme (light/white letters on a dark/colored background) as shown in the lower right corner is always worth a try.

Hope this gives you a few pointers in the right direction ... :)

Cheers,

kubik

(edit: fixed typo)

[dale]

width=300 height=160

here's an example of what i was talking about before... making a vector of a spine (pretty crap version of one i know but hey, you're the one who's making this logo :D )

also with the "MC" bit you could probably find a better font... (ditto that actually for both fonts i used)....

anyhoos, chop and change.... hope it inspires something...

-djn

[j_polo9]

wow thanks kubic, i practically cried when i read that post.

djn- i definately like your design better than any of the ones i made! I agree with you that the text doesn't match exactly but other than that it is very cool.

Thanks for everything! And have a great New Year! If any more ideas should hit anyone feel free to keepem comin. Thanks again,
-Jesse

[dale]

djn- i definately like your design better than any of the ones i made! I agree with you that the text doesn't match exactly but other than that it is very cool.
it's funny cos i always seem to make better logos for other people (that i never use) than i do for myself.....

by the time i finish writing this it'll be new year! WOOT WOOT!!!!!

-djn

[dale]

this is officially my first post of 2005! yay go me...http://www.kirupa.com/forum/images/smilies/sleep.gif

here's a revised design of the example before. i made the dodge looking spine smaller and the MC bigger.
all using just 1 font - garamond - (thanks to kubik).

width=200 height=120

-djn

[Butters]

lol, its still 2004 here, 3pm :!:

[exorxist]

wow, i'm really far behind here, 2pm 2004...

[Voetsjoeba]

21:00 here, and throwing firecrackers of the roof with some bg music and of course - booze ! :beer:

[dgonz417]

j, like someone said the best way to get better is to practice, and kubic gave some great pointers. I personally think your first set of logos is too bland, there just isn't enough to them to get me interested in the business or in some cases tell me what it even is. However, in the second set the spine is way too complicated for a logo...you have to keep in mind that they may use this logo on their "outfits", and all those stitchings would be hard to reproduce and very costly. Beyond that follow kubiks guidelines and try to create a unique logo, because a logo can tell a lot about a business.

haha im east coast too, exorxist http://www.kirupa.com/forum/images/smilies/cap.gif

[j_polo9]

wow only 12:16 pm here, so another 12 till the new year for me.

dgonz417 - thanks..and of course i agree! In fact my blatant lack of talents for logos is why i requested so much help, and am very happy with the response so far. The "Spine logos" were more concept so that new ideas like djn's could pop into our little heads. Also just trying to practice and see what works (obviously none of mine did lol) thanks for all the tips though, im going to try some new ones, we'll see how well they will turn out...

[ahmed]

GREAT post kubik, I'm moving this thread into Best of Kirupa.com (http://www.kirupa.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=12) :)

[kubik]

Wheee!

A big thank you to all of you guys for the very kind words! Very much appreciated!!

Another suggestion that came to mind while skimming through the last couple of posts ...

I generally shy away from being too "literal" in my logo designs and wouldn't necessarily recommend using a spine and/or bone(s) in general as a primary identifying symbol. In this particular case (among others) for the following two reasons ...



Most importantly, due to aestethic concerns - it is going to be a major pain in the behind to bring any kind of visual balance/harmony to a combination of an organic and inherently irregular shape such as a bone and the straight lines and curves of a surrounding geometric shape (circle, rectangle, square, etc.) or even a font. IMHO, it'll be next to impossible to get this to work and have it look good.
Being too literal in the development of a logo mark will almost always shorten its lifespan - if the client adapts, expands and/or cuts the products and services they offer, a logo mark that depicts a status quo that is no longer valid too literally will suddenly be a burden rather than a helpful and unique identifier. E.g., anyone remember Bell Atlantic and their logo? Nowadays, as Verizon their activities have gone far beyond telephony and the old logo wouldn't have worked to properly communicate the identity of the company.
My advice would be - stick to abstraction and simplification. Concentrate on an identity/personality trait rather than a literal depiction of products and services. Or, to put it in the form of an extreme example - McDonalds didn't need to have a burger as their logo mark in order for their target audience to learn what their products are ...

;)

Cheers + a happy new year, everyone!

:)

[j_polo9]

Hope everyone is having a good start to the new year! I made this logo last night...took me way too long for how it came out. Especially because of the facts kubic pointed out.

Anyways the logo was sort of created without purpose. I guess you could say it is supposed to be hands interlocked as if to apply pressure to something (such as a chiropractic patient). But it could show unity,or a helping hand or something pointless like that.

http://www.norcaldesigns.com/jesse/hand_logo.jpg

[McGuffin]

I like the idea, but really don't like the larger C at the end of "Chiropractic", I think you should make it the same size as the I, T, etc.

[j_polo9]

anyone got any ideas on how to improve this: (Its an M...made out of a spine)

http://www.norcaldesigns.com/jesse/spine_logo.jpg

Here is the progression so far:
http://www.norcaldesigns.com/jesse/spine_logo_200.jpg

http://www.norcaldesigns.com/jesse/spine_logo_300.jpg