|dodge and burn abstract|

[vts31]

this guy obline was having problems with dodge and burn so i amde this to illustrate what u could do with OUT any 3d programs. all u need is a mouse. photoshop and 30min of work...the result..

http://images.deviantart.com/large/designs/dmisc/1nsert_trendy_name_her3.jpg

[F-Member]

I hate you. LOL nah sorry, its just that your REALY REAL good man. I'm ok not bad not the best ie: you. Any way i just want to know if YOU have any tutorials?? If not you should make some if so please could you do something to alow me to read ^_^ ill ask even nicer if you want.

HEHE nah sorry but truly your good realy good. Tutorials.

[pom]

Wow! I'd definitely like to know how you did that too, Edwin. Can you do that if you have 2 left hands?

pom :asian:

[[Legoman]]

Only if you're left handed :P

[Kitiara]

There ought to be a law against being this **** good, you know. :)

[hojo]

:oHOLY SH**!:o Thats crazy, pure photoshop you say?

I'd LOVE a tutorial on how to do something like that, i've been lookin every where and only findin stuff on tools :-\

[hsadan]

Originally posted by vts31
all u need is a mouse. photoshop and 30min of work...the result..


so that's just a bunch of filters, and the dodge and burn?

[vts31]

i didnt use any filters. its a digi painting. the onnly useful filter is gaussian blur and invert for masks.

[hojo]

how...?

[upuaut]

yeah... fill us in VTS. I tried doing something the other day and though it looks good (I will post it.. I just forgot to upload) it isn't anything like what you were doing. Give us some examples step by step of how you produced such a beutiful piece.

[hsadan]

Originally posted by vts31
i didnt use any filters. its a digi painting. the onnly useful filter is gaussian blur


eh...digi painting? wat program?

gaussian blur filter..that means that image is actually a mix of pictures on diff layers? (i'm supposing digi painting is digital painting)

[upuaut]

Well this is what I came up with using a variety of programs.. I did a lot of burn and dodge.

nothing quite like our masters here, but I'm just a beginner with photoshop and painter.

http://www.centerspin.com/mishap.jpg

[lostinbeta]

Ok, I have been using Photoshop for a while now, and I have NO CLUE whatsoever how Edwin did that first picture without any filters other than gaussian blur.

I tried my hand at something without using any filters other than guassian blur and my result is NOTHING like Edwins. See for yourself..... I would love to know how Edwin did that!

http://8ballcreations.com/lostinbeta/trapped2.jpg

PS: I did not use lens flare, I used mock lens flares with the flare brush and circles. The only filter used was Gaussian Blur.

[upuaut]

You know.. no one said anything about my picture.. I'm not looking for praise at all.. in fact I see a couple of major flaws with it that I will be reworking.. but constructive critisism is always welcome by me. Can anyone give me any more suggestions on how to improve it?

(I hope it's not just a matter of people doing the old "nothing good to say, don't say anything at all" thing.

I guess no one gave much feedback on yours either beta.. if it helps. I think it looks quite cool. Basic compared to Vts, but still cool. (and hell.. all of our stuff looks basic next to his:))

[lostinbeta]

I noticed you changed yours david. I actually liked it the way it was before. It is still good though. You are also the one that inspired me to create something.

As for constructive criticism, your shapes are a little choppy, if you smoothed them out I think it would look sweet.

Of course ours look basic compared to Edwins. He is the master of all art right? I still can't figure out how he possibly did some of those effects without filters. I have been using Photoshop for a while now, and I can see ways to do some of those effects WITH filters (and can do some of them), but not without them.

Hmm, I really hope he replies back and lets us know.

[upuaut]

You know.. I figured out the error I made on that and it's really obvious. (you liked it better before huh? I thought there was too much open space. Maybe I'll open it back up again.) The error with the chopiness was this.

I created the ship in swift3d which will allow me to export in a number of ways. My best option really is to export as an swf and then take it into Flash, use flash to "export image". I origionaly exported it as a jpg because though I could have done png, my painter6.0 program doesn't import png's.. I was thinking that I'd be doing most of my work in painter and therefore would only be using Photoshop for finalizing stuff.

Anyway.. to make a long story short.. I forgot that painter 6.0 will open and manipulate photoshop docs and save as photoshop docs. Hence.. anything that I import from Flash I should be taking into photoshop first, as the least compression possible.. then from there I can use my other programs.

If you're wondering why I have to take it into Flash and then export the image from there, you've probebly never tried to export from swift3d. The "ai" file type is really the best option, but you lose a good deal of the nice Flash style gradients that swift creates in the first place.

Anyway.. tomarrow I'm rebuilding the ship so that it has more of a ship like structure, changing the lighting angle, and trying the whole thing again. Once I had the ship built the actual work in painter and photoshop took no time at all.. so I think if I can just preserve more quality from vector to raster I should be ok. (need to play with that smoothing setting more too.. I'm still not sure what effect it has active or deactivated.)

[upuaut]

you know.. I always end up going out of order with my programs which is why my stuff always lacks a bit in the quality department. Knowing your tools, what they are capable of, and how they interact with each other is the A number 1 top priority in a web designers life.

I'll get it.. it's coming along.

[upuaut]

Of course ours look basic compared to Edwins. He is the master of all art right? I still can't figure out how he possibly did some of those effects without filters. I have been using Photoshop for a while now, and I can see ways to do some of those effects WITH filters (and can do some of them), but not without them.
you know.. I could almost do that in painter.. I'm just not sure how to do it in photoshop. Tomarrow I'll just do a complex pattern energy flux in painter and see how it comes out. Mostly when it came to my shot I didn't want to just duplicate, in my own style, Vts' peice.. rather I wanted to see what dodge and burn would do for me in one of my peices..



(boy you know the board is slow when you have the last three posts in the same thread and they are long and tedious to read. Also really bad when each one begins with "you know" :))

[lostinbeta]

The amount of open space in your first version was a bit excessive, but I felt that your whole image was smoother. You could have added around it.

It is good that you found out how to smooth it out (hopefully), I don't have/use swift3D so I don't know how to export in it. I only used Photoshop for mine. That is the only art program I have besides Flash(can be considered one right?) and MS Paint (which we all know sucks).

I would have to have to import and export into so many different programs. I don't think I have the patience for that...haha. Actually I don't think my computer can take it.

The only tools I know how to work together are my Photoshop, my Flash and my HTML/Javascript skills. So I think (hope) I fulfilled the top priority in a web designers life because these are the only tools I got.

[lostinbeta]

Haha, the board has been dead all night tonigh. It was just when you got on that it picked up. And that is only because you are replying to my posts and vice versa.

I already know what Dodge and Burn do and I have used them plenty of times. I just want to know how to use them to create the effect Edwin made. I don't want to duplicate his image, my curiousity just has the best of me on this one. It is driving me nuts that I don't know how he did that!

[upuaut]

I agree.. eventually he will come back and discuss it a little more but he's only a semi regular poster.. he's got all sorts of things going on in other places on the web... guess we just have to wait.

At least part of it, I can see was done using smudge to draw something outwards and then careful dodging and burning to brighten some, and darken others. This give the feel of 3D because the object takes on depth. I guess you already know that.. but it's all I can think of that helps with regard to how he did what he did.

As for importing and exporting.. well you get used to that when you have cool features in one program that doesn't have a lot of import options

painter6.0.. my only complaint about the program.. what the @$#^ were they thinking not including a png import?????!!!!!???

[lostinbeta]

Yes, the smudge tool did show through a lot on Edwins image. I used it in the lower left corner of mine.

What is the difference between Painter 6 and Photoshop? Do you know? (other than PNG support)

[upuaut]

sure.. painter is all about the effect of light on texture.

photoshop is pretty much about manipulating images.. rather than creating them from scratch. I guess when you're edwin you can create stuff like that from scratch..

I guess it's hard to describe. Edwin has painter6.0 and probebly could do a better job than I... but once you use the pencil tool in painter (with a tablet) you realize exactly how powerful a program it is. It often get's overshadowed by programs like photoshop.. but you know Coral is at least as famous as adobe.

With pressure sensitivity (which you get from a tablet) painter throws the ability to create depth and texture in general to your hand. I don't think that photoshop takes as much advantage of the pressure sensitivity features on a tablet. It was designed by a mouse user.. that's for sure.

[lostinbeta]

I am a mouse user for sure. I love my photoshop. I create most of my images from scratch in Photoshop. If you check out my website (in my profile) you can view my Portfolio section and check out all of my Photoshop work. All of it was created from scratch with images imported into it for effect.

I know of Corel, but I have never used it. I think it looks too complicated...haha. Fun none-the-less.

Painter 6 sounds great. I so want a Wacom tablet. I have no money to get one though. I would love to draw with my hand instead of a mouse. I am good at both though (not to sound conceited, but I am not going to put myself down either).

[upuaut]

no problem.. there's conceit (I'm better than everyone else there is) and then there is giving oneself credit where it's due. I love what I've seen so far from you. I'll be sure to check out your site soon. Been meaning to make rounds and I always hit the mod's sites first.

I would suggest looking on ebay for a tablet. They are not too bad from there.

[lostinbeta]

Sounds cool. I usually don't trust e-bay, but I know people that have gotten things from e-bay that were in good condition, so I think I might decide to trust it if I find something I like.

I need to make my rounds around peoples sites too. Maybe I should start with Kirupas....haha...just kidding. By the way, I finished my 2 tutorials on easing, do you know how I can submit them to kirupa without posting them in a thread? You can PM me since I don't want to go off track on this thread.

Anyways, I think soon enough I will try my hand at another picture with that effect. Maybe tomorrow.

[lostinbeta]

Ok, said I was going to do more with the smudge tool. This isn't really what I wanted to come up with, but halfway through I got ideas and I sidetracked myself. I think it is pretty spiffy. This actually used no filters at all. Not even gaussian blur. Only the paintbrush tool, the smudge tool, and the dodge and burn tools. I also used some layer styles for the bubbles. Layer styles aren't filters:P

http://www.8ballcreations.com/lostinbeta/aurora.jpg

[hojo]

that looks great

[lostinbeta]

Thanks. Still basic compared to Edwins though...haha:)

[hojo]

Edwins thing is really good, but where he gains in photoshop, you make up in flash

[vts31]

heheh its temptin to post my flah *winks at david* dang u guys are really seriously trying to figure this out !!...im shocked u guys have such interest :) For that image i used a lot of 1px size brushes..then i used the dodge yool set on highlight. the trick is to use the right type of blue and to not over do it. another way i achieved it was by using some layer blendin..i forget which exactly i dont have the PSD with me at this time ( another HD). The star looking things i just made like a dot with the airbrush..then used dodge on the inside then smudged the sides. Oh and for the main shapes i used like rough brushes..they are in default but like towards the bottom. same for the burns also. haha i made another one using same techniques...thought u guys might like another challange..

http://images.deviantart.com/large/indyart/freehand/1n_the_land_of_the_bl1nd.jpg


-Edwin




oh yeah... im working on this intro for a company..barely started.. any comments? www.edwinrosero.com/client/edwin.htm

[lostinbeta]

That is just evil edwin...EVIL I TELL YOU! EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[upuaut]

NICE!!!

and thanks for the explination. I haven't been able to duplicate it.. but at least I know I'm working along the same lines as you did. :)

[lostinbeta]

You ready for the challenge david...haha.

[upuaut]

Sure.. what kind of challenge you got for me? ;)

[lostinbeta]

If I only knew man......if I only knew.

Perhaps we can try and make something like above now? Or how about just making any cool image without using any Filters at all, not even gaussian blur.

[vts31]

haha that sound wickid. and no wacoms either..atleast not untill i get one. lol

[lostinbeta]

Yeah, I don't have one either.

[hojo]

if thats all you've done to do the other one, thats insane. as for this one, why? why do you torment us so?

[idd]

edwin, you never cease to amaze me.


oh yeah, nice vanilla sky quote. :)

[vts31]

vanilla sky? lol ... um i wrote that quote as my signature.... unless u mean the one on the image..then no i didnt make that one up. lol

[lostinbeta]

Hey edwin,

I didn't even notice the link under your image. Very nice intro. This is probably because it isn't done / linked up to the main site, but the music stops earlier than the animation.

[vts31]

its not for me its for some company and yeah tahts all i have done in the aniamtion..thats why it keeps looping at that one part.

[hojo]

very nice intro

[upuaut]

new image using Swift3D, Painter6.0, and Photoshop6.0

http://www.centerspin.com/sinkingOfTerra5.jpg

[lostinbeta]

Very nice david. I have to get workin on something.