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dgrhm
November 23rd, 2004, 12:27 PM
What makes a good movie good? Although this is a subjective question, I'm guessing there's a true art to good filmmaking.

I've thought about some of my favorite movies, and wondered what is it about them that makes them good. What is it about a bad movie that makes it bad? Why is it that Hollywood is remaking more classics rather than creating new films? (Profit motive, I'm certain.)

I took two Spielberg movies as a starting point. Jurassic Park v. Raiders of the Lost Ark. (He directed both.) I've used an American grading scale of A for excellent, and F for failure.

For me, Jurassic Park was a C-/D+ movie. The dinosaurs were great, but the characters were dull and two dimensional. In Raiders of the Lost Ark, the characters are more lively and colorful. The movie had a much better story, and all of the action coordinated well within the story. I'd give Raiders an A.

Thinking more about Spielberg movies, I thought about characters, and the actors that play them.

At the time of its release, I liked ET. Watching its rerelease, I found it dull. Cute kids, cute alien, but something was missing. (Probably the fact that I'm not a kid anymore may have something to do with it.) In 1982, I'd have given it an A, today, I'd give it a C.

Schindler's List was a great movie. Easily an A+ film, but it was so sad and depressing. So sad in fact, I'll never watch it again. In a similar vein, Saving Private Ryan was a good film, but it didn't carry the emotional impact or weight of Schindler's List. (The opening battle scene depicting D-Day is probably the most realistic battlefield scenario I've seen on film.) I'd give it a B/B-.

Although, grading movies is subjective and personal, I think there's something to what makes a movie good.

A good director, good actors, good story, action, fun, and something that speaks to a person, personally.

Overall, I'd say the quality of movies today stink. They're more into pandering to market demographics and remakes than in making anything of quality these days. (Although, you get the rare good movie. The Lord of the Rings trilogy rocked.)

RabBell
November 23rd, 2004, 12:48 PM
I think there is a lack of original good scripts around today

anything that shows originality is quickly made into a film, Harry Potter and last years bestseller the Davinci code an example of 2 original pieces now being made into films.

look at the movies being planned now...bewitched, the dukes of hazard...tv shows

no originality......

What makes a great movie is a great script, the right cast, the right director and some originality though being original isn't the be all and end all, Spiderman 2 was ok and x-men 2 was far better than the first one. Example though the best movie in the last 10 years in my opnion (sp?) was Toy Story...

great cast, I honestly couldn't imagine anyone else doing any of the voices, great direction, great script and originality coming out it's ears in the story telling and in it's execution as well. I always thought that from a marketing point of view it was really smart cause when it comes to selling the figures it's not just the figures your selling is it, it's the actual characters in a way.

anyway thats what I think

mansour
November 23rd, 2004, 02:46 PM
Story (80%), The Score, Director, and Actors.

RabBell
November 23rd, 2004, 03:00 PM
The Score...you mean in regard to the soundtrack :h:

fester8542
November 23rd, 2004, 04:36 PM
I am with Rab on this one.

I dont mind insane plot twists at the end. Like seven, fight club and saw.

Although I am atill always down with comedy,violence, T+A, and big obnoxious explosions

dgrhm
November 23rd, 2004, 04:39 PM
Fight Club was a good movie. It played mind games with you, and it had literary merit. (It borrows concepts from Nietschean philosopy.)

Good special effects and T&A do add plusses to films, also.

The Bourne Identity was a good movie, too.

Hans Kilian
November 23rd, 2004, 04:55 PM
I think a good movie needs to surprise you with something new. Story, characters, visuals, sound, acting...

If there's nothing new in the movie, then it's a bad movie.

I think a lot of people liked 'The usual suspects' because it really surprised you with its unique story.
People liked The Matrix because it had a pretty good story and top-notch action.
People liked Jurassic Park for the visuals. But technology in the visual department is moving at an incredible pace and it doesn't hold up to the test of time.
Another movie I liked was Mystic River. I liked that it was a modern western. With "A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do" but not in a setting with good and bad guys like in the John Wayne movies. And that was new for me.
I recently saw Sky Captain and The World of Tomorrow. I liked the setting and the faithfulness towards comic books and movies from the forties. But I suspect that it won't stand the test of time, because it was mainly a visual treat.
Pretty much anything by the Coen brothers. They have a knack for dreaming up these lovely, weird persons in their movies. Doesn't really matter that the story is weak. The characters make their movies good.

Bad movies...
Troy. Way too cliche-filled. A Gladiator-wannabe that failed.
The 3rd LOTR movie. I'd had enough when the first was over.

So - for me it's "the weirder, the better"...

dgrhm
November 23rd, 2004, 05:22 PM
The Big Lebowski Rocks!

RabBell
November 23rd, 2004, 06:17 PM
"You mark that an eight Smokey and you're entering a world of pain"
"I....I...."
"A world of pain"

:thumb:

replode
November 23rd, 2004, 06:29 PM
In my opinion, some of the better movies are independant films. Maybe its because im an artsy type person, but I'm a very old school type person when it comes to movies. Computer animation to me is crap and has no place in movies, it really just takes me out of the movie. I look at movies as an art form, a form of storytelling. Therefore story is what makes a movie good. Characters are part of the story as well, I don't consider them separate.

Like a painting, a movie is an art form one way or another. The artists, or the directors, goal is to express him/herself through a medium, that medium being film. Filmmaking in it's purest form is about telling a visual story. It is the director's job to transfer that expression from film to the viewer.

And I must agree, the Big Lebowski is most definately cool.

Fact
November 23rd, 2004, 06:31 PM
my defonition of a good movie , lot of woman in bikini`s playing vollyball on a beach!! haha , well tbh if youve ever seen "Bad Santa" thats my real defo of a good movie , fun and good to watch over again and again

altermanjw
November 23rd, 2004, 06:39 PM
Special effects, all the wayy.....
The Guinea Pig movies aree great, and i think it'ss because of the special effects...