OMG This is the most amazing site I've ever seen

[pom]

Check it out, you won't believe your eyes. There's only the structure.

http://www.neostream.com/

pom :crazy: :crazy:

[mdipi]

Pom you are so correct! and i though that my new site was good!
lol, i still gotta lotta work on it but i love it.

www.mdipi.com

[Andy]

Wow that is a really good site. Wish I could make em like that.

[lostinbeta]

Wow, I previously knew of neostream, and their version before this was absolutely astounding also.

I haven't seen this version yet. I wonder when they posted it.

Most excellent indeed.

[Jubba]

:*( :*( :*( :*( :*( :*( :*( :*(

[bcogswell11]

Wow that site is dominant. It's filarious how you can hit the guy when he is just standing there. All of the animations are awesome!

-brad-:cowboy:

[Ryall]

I love the hitting stuff! esp how the power of your hit is dependent apon the speed of your mouse! awesome.

[eyezberg]

Very cool animations.
Very bad usability!
Links you have to rollover to learn where they go, every time you go to a section, no more menu, one useless click on the back button to get back to the menu where visited links don't even change so you don't have to remember where they all go...BAD!

Show this to J.Nielssen, he'll kill it ;-)

But i love the animations..

[eilsoe]

oooohh....

[supersatori]

eyezver> who gives a sh*t about usability when a site rocks ? :)
usability sucks :cowboy:
just kiddin, but you know, why care when so many people (the audience) will simply say "uzabeeliwhat ? I don't mind it rocks anyway !" ? :smirk:

[Andy]

Hmm.. it would be good if it told you where the links went but I think the site was made purely to show clients how good they are. :hat:

[reverendflash]

I agree with eyezberg... :)

There is a term... "stickiness" which doesn't get used very much any more:elderly:

This site has amazing content, but is laid out so that anyone without a lot of patience, or really wants to see gratuitous animation, is going to leave quickly, and not come back:(

It doesn't matter if your site "rocks" if it doesn't do the job it was designed to do... that is to "sell" your product. Whether that product is your ability, your style, or a widget, almost all websites are designed to "sell" or promote either and idea or product. =)

I think Jacob Neilson goes a bit far, but his motivations (used to be, at least before Macromedia hired him) were on the right track.

I feel this site pads their ego more than anything else.

My humble opinion... :-\

Rev:elderly:

[sintax321]

It is a vey amazing site ( mind blowing to say the least). I do agree though with some of the other comments about usability and navigation but then we do have to remembr this is only a concept site. Mabye they will have an option to navigate without animation or someting.

[lostinbeta]

Not sure if this counts but....

Before the site loads they give you a black screen that tells you that this is an early version and may vary from the final version and what you see are just some of the main concepts or something along those lines.

Could be that they aren't completely done the site, but had enough done that they figured they could launch it.

[eilsoe]

Haha :P

I wuz gonna post the same argument lost! :)

People are sorta givin' the site a hard time even before it's done! Wait it out fellas :)

[reverendflash]

Yesm, I was a bit overzealous... :evil:

I am just tired of seeing Flash sites which are difficult to read/navigate. :(

It makes my job of trying to sell clients on a Flash site vs. HTML that much harder when, as JN says, "the most clicked button on the internet is 'skip intro'" :*(

okay, enough of my whining, the site has amazing animation and artwork:P

Rev:elderly:

[eilsoe]

Yeah the animations are FANTASTIC!! :P


My idea of an intro for a site, would be a SHORT, dazzling/simple presentation of ones logo/name...

No more than a few seconds... 5 at the most... so people can overcome the fact that they HAVE to see it every time they enter the url... :)

[lostinbeta]

I agree with the intro thing.

ALthough, I am thinking about creating an intro to my site, but I will have an Enter w/ Intro button and a Enter w/o Intro button. So either or people don't have to see it if they don't want to.

That is if I create one, my animation and drawing skills in Flash totally bite. If I don't create one it will be some effect thing with my logo or something, which isn't really an intro, just a splash.

[reverendflash]

I am actually leaning the other way...

On my site I have a static page, no intro, and the only flash I have is my portfolio... at the moment:P <i> Which I wouldn't mind your opinions</i>

Stick around I'll change that soon too, probably... :) I am never happy with anything I do for very long:*(

Rev:elderly:

[lostinbeta]

I have the same problem with not being happy with what I make. I change up versions on my site more than some people change clothes :P

I was working on a Full Flash site but it was giving me too many problems, so I am probably going to make a "Flash Enhanced" HTML site.

[reverendflash]

Ha Ha Ha... :P

I think my current default page has been up for about a week, and I am already thinking of changing it... :P

Got my book today... :o

friends of ed's Action Script Reference (MX)... My brain already hurts, and I have only opened up the index... :*(

Jees I'm in a whiney mood...

I guess I had better cheer up... :rambo:

Rev:elderly:

[lostinbeta]

I worked for months on my current site, it has been up for like 2 months, and I am already tired of it and want to change, but I am waiting til the new year to release my new version since I worked so hard on my current one.

:::sigh:::

OOOO, New AS Book, it is a FOE book, of course it will give you a headache, but it is some good stuff :)

[reverendflash]

I have 2 projects I am just finishing up. then I have some time to get into MX...

I have been very lazy about getting into the new stuff... I hate coding... :evil:

but it is inevitable (sp?) :-\

Rev:elderly:

[eilsoe]

hehe, you think YOU change stuff?

When I was learning basic html (by my self, at home, with no-one to complain to), i started out making one simple design... "Oh goody" I thought, and clapped my little fat hands.

Then I got the idea of wanting my own domain! :o .. Oh no! Well, off looking for some good hosts, and bought my domain...

In the 2 weeks it took them to activate my site and all, I'd made about 6 different designs for my site! :P

I kept changing it because i hated what i'd just finished... :P

I just can't decide... :( Plus, I want a new design now, and I just can't start working on it before i think up a good design i can maybe stick with for at least a month...

[reverendflash]

so... you guys go check out www.aulman.com , let me know what you think...

I did the portfolio years ago, but since it is Generator based, the content changes all the time...

anyway, if you want... :-\

Rev:elderly:

[sintax321]

That's a great site to show clients your work. By the way how did you get the nike job if you don't mind me asking?

[reverendflash]

They came to me... :P

I had worked with the same design house on another project, and they needed someone who knew Flash, and could tear apart an .fla, then convert the site to standard HTML & JavaScript while trying to keep the experience the same as the Flash version...

Basically the same way with the Eidos (Fear Factor) site...

It's all who you know:P

Rev:elderly:

[sintax321]

I guess I haveto get to know better people:P

I guess your location is probably better than mine also. I live in bum**** Saskatchewan where it is hard to find a good conection for anything. Mabye I'll have to relocate:P

[reverendflash]

Well, SF is not what it used to be:P

It was fun during the bubble (both jobs were a couple years ago) lol

A lot of life is just being in the right place at the right time :ninja:

My suggestion is to enter every contest you can find... don't worry if you think you are good enough. Eventually you will be, if you aren't already. In the mean time the learning experience is incredible, and sometimes the right people see your work. :cool:

Right now I am at that stage where I get just enough clients to survive (granted I live in a very expensive town). But at least I am surviving... :P

Rev:elderly:

[Kitiara]

I'm in the slightly more awkward position of being in England. It always seems more difficult for English web developers / designers to get work for major companies.

Luckily I now do work for a big company. Well, big over here anyway. :) But if I were to go freelance or whatever I'm not sure how long I'd last.

[sintax321]

Hey Rev

You mentioned entering into contests. Do you mean award sites or is there web contests I don't know about. Could you mabye suggest some good contests?

[Jubba]

Sintax: Wuts up with the avitar? Kinda freaked me out...

[sintax321]

What is scary about Iassic Washington. He's a cool guy who always has the right advice (and a drink). Plus the women love him:) =) :P

[Jubba]

Any of the 'old-timers' (ezboard days) Remember Phils scetchy Pic of that really creepy guy? lol :crazy:


:beam: :beam: :beam:

[sintax321]

What day does GTA:VC come out for where you live? It's scheduled for the 29th here which gives me 13 days to go but I might be wrong. I just want to keep my counter on time.:)

[eilsoe]

It's not out till november 8th in denmark... :*(

[reverendflash]

Originally posted by sintax321
Hey Rev

You mentioned entering into contests. Do you mean award sites or is there web contests I don't know about. Could you mabye suggest some good contests?

I posted a couple a week or so ago, but I see them on different forums all the time. Also, Macromedia's newsgroups sometimes will announce them as well... :P Whenever I see one, I will post it...:goatee: I don't think award sites do much but pad the ego... but that is just my opinion:cool:

When I was in design school, there were a ton by companies, but then again, the climate has changed... :*(

Rev:elderly:

[sintax321]

Yes eilsoe I feel your pain. I do feel real bad that you have to wait like 11 extra days to get GTA:VC. I think the only way for me to shake the guilt I feel will be to play GTA:VC on the 29 for like 10 hours in a row. I'll be sure to discribe to you in full detail all the new fun and excitment the new game has to offer:) =) :P

Just kidding man. I do realy fell bad that you have to wait. I will be sure to keep my excitment down to a minimum untill the 11 when we can all talk about the game.=)

[sintax321]

Hey Rev
My ego does need a good stroking so mabye I'll start to submit to some awards sites.:P I here they can also help increase traffic to you site. Thanks for the tip i'll check out some of macromedis's news groups and see what I can find.:)

[Jubba]

Sintax: It comes out the 29th as well, but I am picking it up the 29th so I am not really counting that day. :) Makes it seem like its a day less, so I get it a day sooner. :):):):):)

Eilsoe: I'll play extra just for you! :):P

[reverendflash]

Sintax: every bit of exposure is good exposure... :P

well... mostly... :P with some you might get arrested... :P oh, wait you are in Canada... isn't it legal up there? :x

Just kidding... at least I didn't make a "nufie" joke... :-\

Rev:elderly:

[sintax321]

I wish it was leagel but sadly it isn't and it's a good thing you didn't make a "nufie" joke (I'm a flat lander).HAHAHA:P

Actual in Canada we treat Newfoundland as it's own counrty. We're trying to get rid of Quebec also. Want to buy it. We'll sell it for real cheap.=)

[mdipi]

Rev,
no offense but your portfolio kind of made me dizzy. its also really got no colour (no i'm not british, just trying to start a revolution, but britts are really cool, so no offense).:cowboy:

mike:cyclops:

[reverendflash]

no offense taken, that is why I asked for input:)

the lack of color is to show the work, not the design of the page... :-\

I am going to change it soon anyway... I just can't leave it alone... :-\

Rev:elderly:

[mdipi]

how bout $2 for Quebec?:evil:

[sintax321]

Ok but you will be paying way to much. I was only looking for a penny. So then it is a deal you are now the offical owner and king of Quebec(you poor sucker).HAHAHA:) =) :P

[reverendflash]

probably in Canadian Dollars, though...

:P :P that makes it about right...

Rev:elderly:

[sintax321]

Ya thats like close to $4 dollars Canadien so I make a killing off that sale.:P

Thats why I would like to get some jobs from the states. I can do it at close to half the cost and still make the same amount as someone charging twice as much.