Netscape 7... Anyone tried it?

[reverendflash]

Not being a fan of the Meglomaniacal MicroSlop, I decided to give the new Netscape 7 a try.:ninja:

I can't say I am unhappy with it, other than a very minor JavaScript problem.

I have 2 scripts that open a new window and closes the current one, :pirate and now it only closes...:evil:

Glad it is not a big part of my fan base who is going to use it right away:)

Anybody else?

Rev:elderly:

[lostinbeta]

I have Netscape 7.0. Loads faster than 6.2, that is all I have noticed in difference really.

You want me to check out your script to see if I can get the bugger to work in Netscape?

[reverendflash]

sure, thanks...

I just haven't wanted to look at it...

Hang on, I'll go grab it...:bandit:

Rev:elderly:

[lostinbeta]

Ok... I won't make any promises, but I can give it a whirl!

[reverendflash]

tanks:cool:

here it is:


<script language="JavaScript">
<!--
function winOpen() {
newWin=window.open("http://www.aulman.com/autowraps/intro.html","demo","height=525,width=700,status=no,toolbar=no,menubar= no,location=no,resizable=no,titlebar=no,scrollbars =no,fullscreen=no,top=25,left=25")
}

function MM_openBrWindow(theURL,winName,features) { //v2.0
window.open(theURL,winName,features);
}
//-->
</script>


the close works...

Rev:elderly:

thanks for trying, I haven't had any desire to check into this, but if you don't get it, no worries, I may push this on my prgger brother....:evil:

I need to give him a project anyway...:evil:

keeps him out of trouble:ninja:

Rev:elderly:

[edit by lostinbeta to show code]

[lostinbeta]

Question: Where is the close window part?

I only see 2 open window commands (which doesn't make sense because the second one is incomplete)

[reverendflash]

sorry, I assumed you knew the 2nd would be:

javascript:window.close();

Rev:elderly:

[lostinbeta]

Oh ok.... sorry.

Working now...........

[reverendflash]

ningún reparto grande :P

Rev:elderly:

[lostinbeta]

Hey Rev.... one question. What was your method of preventing IE and Netscape launching the alert prompt asking if you are sure you want to close the window?

[lostinbeta]

Well either way, I got it to work.

I used my own method of doing it without being alerted to close the window. This was easier for me to test it.

It works in both Netscape 6+ and IE.

Just check the attachment. There are comment tags through the html file to tell you what each part does.

[reverendflash]

thanks, sorry about the laps...:x

I was trying to fix something that I had done 2.5 yrs ago...:(

I didn't have anything for the alert...I was lazy...

Thanks for the script, I really appreciate it...=) works great

so does my brother:evil: even if he doesn't know it yet...:P

Rev:elderly:

[thoriphes]

i've never liked netscape because it required too much memory. vive l'explorer intérnet!!!

[reverendflash]

its a different netscape than before...=)

Rev:elderly:

[thoriphes]

go on...

[reverendflash]

on my poor old machine...

it actually loads faster than IE6, plus I like the tabs option (allowing me to have multiple pages open in the same instance of the browser) that you can reload all tabs at the same time...=)

it seems to look the same as IE content-wise...:)

plus it keeps me away from Outlook:P

Rev:elderly:

[lostinbeta]

Yes, the new Netscape 7 is way better then 6.2, but I still prefer IE over Netscape for multiple reasons.

Glad I could help Rev. I added the no alert script because it got annoying trying to test it in both and to keep getting that alert. So I figured it would also help people who visit your site not to have to get that.

[reverendflash]

thanks ...=)

I never worried about the alert since it never came up...becuase it was never closing the main window, it was always a popup...:-\

But still, thank a mil...my brother thanks you too...:cool: he hates JavaScript:P

so tell me, what are your reasons for liking IE over N7?:nerd:

just courious=)

Rev:elderly:

[lostinbeta]

As a work in progress javascript coder, IE is so much easier to learn with than Netscape.

Netscape doesn't support crap of javascript and you always have to run an if statement sayin if IE do this and if NS do this, it eventually becomes a pain trying to write 2 completely different functions to work in 2 completely different browsers.

I am trying to code a Javascript drop down menu, and it is a total pain because NS requries Layers while IE requires div tags (much easier with div tags in my opinion). Then I have to run a statement saying if it is Netscape convert this info in a layer if it is IE then convert this info in a div tag. Just a horrible ordeal all around.

Also, IE loads and moves faster on my comp than Netscape does (although the new NS 7 is much faster than 6.2, IE is still faster).

I guess when you get to know the browsers from the "inside" instead of the out, you make your choice. NS definitely makes coding a nightmare for me.

You and your brother are welcome. Javascript isn't THAT hard to learn, it is DHTML that I am having problems with (which ironically DHTML is a lot like Actionscript)

[reverendflash]

I didn't say we didn't know how to code in JavaScript:nerd:

we both hate coding it becuase of the reasons you mentioned=)

my question was more from the users point of view, :) since there will always be more than one standard to code for, in my hymble opinion:P

Remember, we both started coding HTML and JavaScript by hand, back when Netscape was the browser to use
:elderly: and Netscape invented JavaScript:goatee:

I am not promoting either, I'm just glad that there is a viable alternative to IE:cowboy:

and BTW, I hate DHTML with a passion, and yes it is very similar to Action Script... didn't used to be...:*(

Rev:elderly:

[lostinbeta]

Sorry for assuming you didn't know. I always jump to conclusions, it is a flaw in my personality.

For the users point of view, if I can't use IE, I want Netscape....lol. Those other third party browsers don't seem to cut it for me. I like the look better in IE and I like being able to view most of the sites on the web the way they are meant to be seen, not the way they are changed to fit in with Netscape.

You know what I find really funny with netscape though? Their own web page has a small little glitch that happens only in NS. If you go to their site you will notice the right margin is still white, but all the other sides are flush with the edge of the browser. If you view it in IE, it all works perfectly. I giggle inside everytime I see that.

I am beginning to hate DHTML and thinking about giving up learning. I just can't do it that well, but I don't usually quit things, I guess I can try a little more.

[UNFLUX]

i also prefer IE.

but what a lot of people fail to realize, is that the new AOL 8 uses
NS and not IE any more. For the longest time, AOL's browser was
really just an integrated IE. But the new deal they signed after
the contract with Microsoft ended, puts NS in instead.

What does this mean?

It means for designers and coders that they now HAVE to pay
attention to NS. I know a lot of designers that simply ignore the
mistakes in NS viewing of their designs, and pawn it off as "no big
deal" becuase such a small % of surfers to their sites us NS any more....

well, well, well....NOT ANY MORE!

When you've got MILLIONS of surfers on AOL, and now moving to
NS....aww man, do you see where I'm going with this? :-\

I'm downloading NS 7 now cuz I didn't realize the the new AOL
was already released without any big announcement, and I need
to be sure to test all my designs thoroughly.

Personally, I'm not thrilled about any of this, but alas, my passion
must continue no matter the adversity! I see it as a new
challenge....ONWARD HO! :pirate:

/unflux
:goatee:

[lostinbeta]

Yep, that is why I am crankin on my next version of my site. I created my current version with some DHTML and Javascript that I don't feel like figuring out for NS.

So now I have to create a new version that is compatible for both because AOL is now switched to NS and absolutely sucks!

[reverendflash]

Originally posted by lostinbeta

You know what I find really funny with netscape though? Their own web page has a small little glitch that happens only in NS. If you go to their site you will notice the right margin is still white, but all the other sides are flush with the edge of the browser. If you view it in IE, it all works perfectly. I giggle inside everytime I see that.

Actually, I get nailed with that same quirk...it has to do with a spacer.gif that they forget to upload...IE ignores it, Netscape needs it...:)

I have used IE for years, since I felt that NS sucked from a user's point of view...I only used it to QA my sites...:-\

I'm just trying it out...:sleep: I've only had it installed for a couple days:cool:

and Unflux...that is the main reason I decided to try NS (I haven't had it installed on my machine permanantly since 4.5 kept crashing my w98 machine:evil:

my opinion is still undecided:P

Rev:elderly:

[lostinbeta]

Is it the spacer image?

I thought it was because they declared the rightmargin code wrong. I have tried to make a site in Netscape way back when that had no margins, and when I tested it in Netscape, all margins were gone, except the right one. I never figured it out, and it never made sense to me.

[reverendflash]

that is what always screws up my stuff, anyway:)

I just assumed it was the same:cool:

When I was teaching beginning JavaScript a few years back, we had to tell students to test in IE, it is going to be very popular:-\

Of course they were on (scary) PowerMacs:( what a pain that was to learn JavaScript and HTML4 on a Mac:nerd:

I think I still have the same headache:P

Rev:elderly:

[lostinbeta]

HAHA, I am so glad I have a PC. I only like macs for graphics. I have had many bad experiences with using Macs for anything else but graphics.

Macs are another thing that interpret everything wrong in browsers (no matter if IE or Netscape) :evil:

I should probably take some class or get some books to teach me more javascript. Sometimes the O'Reilly reference supplied with DW isn't enough to help me understand.

[reverendflash]

I used to work with a geek who loved to custom code JavaScript and DHTML...:asian:

It took me hours to alter his scripts after he left:*(

no, no, I don't want pity:P

Rev:elderly:

[lostinbeta]

HAHA, you should have had him teach you how he did what he did :P That way it would be easier to edit and learn :)

But yeah, I am sure I wouldn't have done that. I would have been stuck in the same position as you.

Javascript and DHTML are real fun when you get things to work, but they are real frustrating when you are stuck getting stupid errors like "document.write("Hello World") is not defined" and you can't find out what the heck to fix.

[reverendflash]

yup:beard:

That is why I never really got into AS in Flash 5...:-\

It looked and acted too much like DHTML:(

Now, I have to learn, but at least it is easier now=) I have a book on order...:P should be here in a couple of days:P

Then, the questions will come:o

Rev:elderly:

[lostinbeta]

OOO, a book!? Which book would that be?

[reverendflash]

can't remember the title, I'll let you know when I receive it...:elderly:

it is about connecting with databases, Flash remoting, and of course AS...=)

Rev:elderly:

[lostinbeta]

Very nice =)

[reverendflash]

I decided to go that way, since most of my clients are connecting to a database, and like to admin their content themselves=)

It also saves me from the tedious updates:P

Next I have to figure out a demo project to learn on:-\ hopefully something I can challenge my egghead brother with :evil:

Rev:elderly:

[lostinbeta]

Hey, why isn't your brother a part of this forum :evil: :P

I guess he is just too good for us....haha :)

[reverendflash]

his hobby is collecting glass:nerd:

so he is on those forums:nerd:

plus we think totally difference (hence the dosmentes site) and you guys don't need to read us arguing:P

We are very close, but think from different sides of the brain:sleep:

Rev:elderly:

[lostinbeta]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I get it.

I am in a completely different world in terms of brains with my family. I am absolutely nothing like anyone in my entire family. Very weird indeed, but we all get along so it works out.

Collecting Glass.... interesting hobby, sure beats collecting pet rocks :)

[reverendflash]

in my opinion, just about collecting pet rocks!:P

oops, breakfast is burning:*(

Rev:elderly:

EDIT: just about as boring :o

serves me right for trying to cook and use the 'puter at the same time:nerd:

Rev:elderly:

[Raydred]

Yea i like 7.0!! Im thinking of switching from ie6 to N7.0
=)

[reverendflash]

I'm still on the fence, but its' growing on me:P

Rev:elderly:

[Raydred]

Well in the Microsoft world, it'd be a Barb Wire fence hehe jk =)

[reverendflash]

roflmao

:P

Rev:elderly:

[RenaissanceGirl]

I use Mozilla. It works flawlessly with my Mac and is the lesser of evil (in my experience) under Windows. It's based on Netscape, I believe. Other than that, I haven't tried Netscape since version 4.

[reverendflash]

from what I understand, Mozilla and NS are virtually the same...=)

Rev:elderly:

[lostinbeta]

Yep... doesn't Netscape run off the mozilla engine?

[reverendflash]

thats what I understand...:nerd:

Rev:elderly:

[lostinbeta]

Anyone that uses netscape... put this in your address bar

about:mozilla

It is rumoured to be some kind of joke about mozilla causing the blue screen of death, but I don't really know exactly what it is.

[RenaissanceGirl]

I just did that with Mozilla and got this:



And the beast shall be made legion. Its numbers shall
be increased a thousand thousand fold. The din of a
million keyboards like unto a great storm shall cover
the earth, and the followers of Mammon shall tremble.


from The Book of Mozilla, 3:31

(Red Letter Edition)

Now is this Mozilla or Netscape? Is it a crack against IE and Bill Gates?

Been using Mozilla for several months now and I never got the Blue Screen of Death but that could be a Windows 2K thing.

[reverendflash]

cool:cool:

"And the beast shall be made legion. Its numbers shall be increased a thousand thousand fold. The din of a million keyboards like unto a great storm shall cover the earth, and the followers of Mammon shall tremble.
from The Book of Mozilla, 3:31
(Red Letter Edition) "

Rev:elderly:

[kirupa]

I like Netscape 7, but I find IE to be my preference. I've been using it for a while and it is simple; I don't even use any of my browser's features with the exception of the excellent free e-mail program Outlook Express. Besides, it used to be that each program had major differences. Nowadays, both Netscape and IE support similar technologies with the exception of Netscape unable to do transparent things in Flash :(

It's all about personal preference moreso than any nifty feature - at least that is what I see. I maybe wrong though.

Cheers!
Kirupa :sleep:

[lostinbeta]

Yes, I agree it is personal preference as far as using it goes.

Coding in them are 2 different things though :P :evil: (just being difficult, don't mind me)

[reverendflash]

I agree Lostinbeta...:evil:

but we have to pay attention to what the client wants:x :x

dad-blasted money anyway:bandit:

Rev:elderly:

[lostinbeta]

True that too :evil:

&*!^#&*%!*#^$&*(@^#*$% money!!!!!!!!! :scream:

[reverendflash]

anybody know any wealthy single women who wants a mature boy-toy who can cook, and isn't afraid of "doing the windows?":P

Rev:elderly: