new comp?

[Ryall]

I enjoyed reading the posts between the Mods about the possibility of a contest (or what you may call it)... I really liked ilyaslamasse ideas, and at the end it seemed be that he would be initiating the process. I am only wondering when this could be expected to begin (or if it will??), and if it does how so?
Just bringing this to the front burner.

Peace

PS if you cant tell I'd love to see it happen :P

[kirupa]

Hey Ryall,
This will happen. I'm sending out a few e-mails to companies who would be willing to furnish prizes to the winners, etc. I'll create the sections in the forums shortly. Just a matter of time =)

Cheers!
Kirupa :bandit:

[telekinesis]

I hope moderators aren't excluded from these 'contests' :(

[lostinbeta]

I hope not too. Even though I think I have no chance in heck to win, I would still like to participate. If not, I can work secretly behind the scenes on the same thing, just not submit it.

[Ryall]

oohhh prizes eh? I dont remember that being mentioned in the //MODS BRAINSTORM\\ thread - I like the idea though! Lost.... I would hope that even if MODS are excluded youd all post your work for the rest of us to view, in fact that would be a part of the whole thing that I would look forward to!

Peace

[kirupa]

Mods won't be excluded :)

[Ryall]

alright!! :P

[lostinbeta]

Awesome!

[Iammontoya]

huh.. I am arguing any points, but I would've excluded the mods.

[lostinbeta]

I see your point Montoya. I mainly see it because I know sbeener, Ilyas, you and david would whip major arse....haha:P

[telekinesis]

I just better hope it involves graphics, 3ds max, or flash transitions, and minimal actionscript lol!

[lostinbeta]

Haha, looks like we are in the same boat dan.

[telekinesis]

Maybe we can have 2 man design teams and have duel prizes, like 2 licensed versions of a program or something like that! Not for every contest but a two man design team contest would be cool!

[bcogswell11]

If i read the contest in the MODS post, I saw this as a chance for the newbie flash users and stuff to gain skills, and apparently by earning prizes. I feel that the MODS would win every time and then people would stop entering. (Don't get me wrong, all the mods are cool and everything :-)) Also, you will probably get people that will argue and say, "The MODS won because they are MODS and they will be favored!" Not that I think this at all, but I am just trying to bring ideas to the table.

-brad-

[lostinbeta]

2 man design teams all the way! RIGHT ON DAN!

I see your points cogswell, definitely makes sense.

[telekinesis]

It makes sense but do you think we should be excluded because we help the newbie flashers learn in the forum when we could be cocky bastards and work on things benefitting ourselves instead of by helping providing tutorials, source files, and forum help! I think that is straight up BS and I will tell that to anyone that disagrees, so the flash newbie's deserve new computers, programs, hence the prizes and us moderators that take our time should be excluded, I just think thats plain selfish, if anything it should inspire the newbie flashers to study our tutorials, posts and source files hard to become like us instead of ***** and moan that they want to be the only ones compeeting, so should us experienced web designers stop designing until the entire flash world is up to speed with us in matter of skills?

[Uthar]

Hey,

I've seen a few contrary opinions on whether mods should be able to participate, just thought I'd give my view on it. It's pretty hard to exclude people who help make the place work, that's a given. But on the other hand,


I think that is straight up BS and I will tell that to anyone that disagrees, so the flash newbie's deserve new computers, programs, hence the prizes and us moderators that take our time should be excluded, I just think thats plain selfish, if anything it should inspire the newbie flashers to study our tutorials, posts and source files hard to become like us instead of ***** and moan that they want to be the only ones compeeting, so should us experienced web designers stop designing until the entire flash world is up to speed with us in matter of skills?

The part about people learning from your source files to become like you is true, that should be the point of doing this. But you're talking about a rather large learning curve (imho) and it's not a 3-4 week process to learn all the ins and outs of flash. It's more like a few years process to get really good in it to compete with people who do it on a professional level. So I'm not sure it's a matter of whining because we don't take the time to learn from people who have more skill, but that it will take a LONG time to come close. I don't think it's selfish and I do think that's quite a valid point. At least that's how I see it.

Have a good one,

Uthar :nerd:

P.S - This isn't meant to take shots at people btw, because I know I have a lot of respect for the design and scripting skills on this board (and lets not forget the tolerance for helping anybody). Just making sure that's noted before any replies are made ;)

[telekinesis]

EDIT (by dan4885): If you missed the conversation then I'm glad because it was a good one to miss!

[Uthar]

Hey,

Just checking to make sure that's in a negative connotation :P

Uth :nerd:

[telekinesis]

EDIT (by dan4885): Ewww...that hurt my tainty little ears! :P

[Uthar]

Hey,

No need to get personal about it. I didn't come out and personally insult you. Seems you made the effort in doing that to me though, so I won't bother responding to that specific remark.

As to your other comments: I didn't say to take out mods. What I -did- say was that when you start this up, it's going to be a bit one sided for a while until people start learning from the materials the winners/mods/helpers post. I also said that this process will take a while. That basically sums up what I said.

[telekinesis]

Hey,

Just checking to make sure that's in a negative connotation :P

Uth

Was it not obvious enought that the whole point of my little piddle is you stating that my point is not valid. The rest of your post was an opinion that I respect but you don't have the right to tell me if my point is or isn't valid!

[Uthar]

Hey,

just to make sure this is taken in context, I'll quote what I said from before so you know exactly what I said


So I'm not sure it's a matter of whining because we don't take the time to learn from people who have more skill, but that it will take a LONG time to come close. <b>I don't think </b> it's selfish and <b>I do think</b> that's quite a valid point.

Notice in there I didn't say that what you said is not valid. I said <B> I </B> think. I didn't change what you thought, or your point. I gave my view on it.

One reason this is in a board is to discuss things, and as such I can state my opinion of the subject unless I'm subsequently banned/not permitted.

I hope that clears it up. If not, I'm sorry it got so personal.

Uth :nerd:

[lostinbeta]

Alright, I am going to try and stop the argument and say...

The contest was intended to help up and comers learn AS right? Up and Comers do need to learn from examples, tutorials, experimentation, all which will be included in this contest.

More advanced scripters will supply more knowledge than the Up and Comers, so this should help them out even more.

Not all Mods are Genius scripters, I most certainly am not. I still have some learning to do.

What is my point? If this contest is intended to help people to learn and show what they have learned, why leave anyone out?

There are good points and bad points on both sides, all points ARE VALID, I guess it is up to Kirupa to solve that problem since he is the adminitrator/owner of this board.

[telekinesis]

OMG I feel like such an a-hole, I swear I read your post a million times and you said thats not quite valid. I jump to conclusions a little too early sometimes when its late at night and I haven't gotten any flashing in (obviously). So I am sorry about it and I am sure it won't happen again, I was a little confused about your post because I would have thought you would never say anything like that and I guess my first intuition was right but being me and making mistake I blew up on you, I'm suprised you didn't correct me by my first post:


Not a valid point my ***

Everyone better take a screenshot of this, dan4885 saying sorry and asking for forgiveness because it will be the last time I screw up this bad, or at least I hope! After this I will be to ashamed to ever show my face back in this forum again, I don't deserve my moderator positions, mods aren't suppose to be a-holes, even if on accident, if Uthar wants to take away my moderator control then I give you permission now to say so!

[Uthar]

Hey,

Thanks Dan, that does mean a lot. I was really really wondering what it was that I had done that had pieved you off so bad (btw, thanks for taking down one of your previous posts... I had quite a difficult time not responding it kind since I took it so personally, just glad I didn't say anything). Just remember, I always try (keyword try...) to be analytical in what I say. So I don't go out of my way to bash people, or what they have to say.

Just glad it got cleared up, and thanks for the apology. I return one in kind if I offended you in the exchange.

Have a good night,

Uth :nerd:

[telekinesis]

I'm glad this is all resolved too, but I'm afraid I convieved myself as too big of an a-hole to want to show my face here again considering I'll probably lose everyone's respect for losing my cool so easily!

[Uthar]

Are you nuts?

-Keep it, you deserve it from the amount you help. I can't say anything more on the subject than that.

Uth :nerd:

P.S - Please stick around. You don't know how hard it is to find a) somebody who's willing to help that much b) Admit their wrong c) have such a comprehensive knowledge of design elements that aren't even related to flash itself (which you know tons about as well).

[lostinbeta]

Hey dan, it is 1:45AM, I hightly doubt anyone will get on your case for blowing up in the middle of the night when you haven't gotten any sleep.

It happens, I have done it (Uthar has seen that post), although I didn't blow up as bad as you, I still did. It happens, we get over it. Most people probably won't read this thread, and those that do, will forget about it in a couple of days.

[telekinesis]

Thanks for the comments Uthar, but remember if I ever get out of hand again make sure you get out the dunce hat to throw on my head because its usually for comment that wasn't even said or meant towards me! I still haven't a clue how I read that post sooooo wrong, I swear, I don't do drugs :P!

[kirupa]

Hehe quite an amusing convo topic. Don't worry dan, your apology has been screenshot(ted?), printed, framed, and hanged on the wall behind my comp lol.

I'll try to have this competition open to a lot more people than flashers who post here alone. In other words, I hope to publicize this on other Flash sites and boards, and we may get a more diverse group of submissions from people who normally don't post here.

Just a thought.

Cheers!
Kirupa :rambo:

[Ryall]

thought: what about having different catagories/levels of compition? I guess it would be hard to tell if people were really being honest about their skill level esp if you attract new members that none of us have talked to before. Another way to do it would be to have a few different contests, some that are directed at lower skill levels and then some that are aimed towards the upper level - that way just in trying you'd have to be experienced and the playing field would be level. I dunno just something to throw out there... but I agree the point of this thing is learning AND teaching so excluding anyone seems to be counter productive.

Peace

[lostinbeta]

It may be harder to manage different levels of contest, and it may get confusing getting non-members to partake in this event.

Good ideas, but they will definitely take some planning and sorting.

[kirupa]

Ok, here is the guidelines page: http://www.kirupa.com/contest/index.htm A big thanks goes out to pom (ilyas) for writing the text. Note that the content is not finalized, and more will be added to help answer any questions anyone may have.

Now I have another question, what will be the judging process? Also, how will the users submit their works. On the forums?

Cheers!
Kirupa :rambo:

[lostinbeta]

Judging + Submitting - The bit-101 forum created a section for his contest, and he created a thread where all users can submit their creations. Then at the end of the month, he creates a new thread with a poll which contains links to all the submitted entries. Then the viewers vote on the poll.

I don't want to copy, but it is pretty effective.


<B>EDIT:</B> Hey Kirupa, go to your quidelines page. All of the text next to the flash title that says "Contest" is a link that leads the the MX tutorial for Photo Galleries. Is this an error?

[kirupa]

Hey lost,
Yep that is an error lol. I basically copied and pasted the Flash MX page and stuck all the Contest related info there. I haven't created any of the links yet, and once I get an idea about what the prizes will be from a few sponsors, we can publicize this thing on the site and other flash sites, etc.

This is still in early beta lol. I'm hoping everything will be finalized shortly though!

Cheers!
Kirupa :rambo:

[telekinesis]

So moderators can participate but only for fun, so its just like everyday flash life for me, so why even participate? I need to start surfing some other forums where I can be included and benifit from my talents and hard work instead of just given an invisible pat on the back.

[upuaut]

<~pats dan on the back

we love you dan.. don't leave us. :)

[Ryall]

geez if it is coming to that - why not have a MODS only section? BTW Dan... why do you think I would be participating???? Well I'll let you know: for fun, to learn, and grow as a developer. Cant you do the same? I know I would not be looking for prizes or fame, in fact I didnt think this whole thing was going to have prizes. I just thought it was a way to inspire some friendly compition, and possibly help in the process.

Dont take this as a personal attack either, I think youre a great designer and I respect your talents.

Peace

[telekinesis]

I have been using Flash since Version 4...I love to learn but thats not the point...I am not stating it again, I already have repeated myself enough times, no one here understands me or wants to understand me and thats that, I guess I have to realize this eventually was going to happen staying in a forum that happens to attract more newbies than it does advance user, hence that what happens when you make a tutorial site!

[Ryall]

I have been playing with flash since ver 3 actually - and never even had ver 4 - but like you said that is not the point.... and I DO understand what you are trying to say, being a higher level user - you are in a different situation then 90% of the people that post here. And I agree with you that this is the kind of place that would create that situation for someone, eventually, as it DOES attract lower level users (no offense to anyone)... but my point is that this entire site is built because of that, so expect it. This is a place to help and be helped - not to really reap the benifits of talent - other than learning form it and the occasional job offer that comes through here (which it seems you have accepted the most recent one). I agree with creating benifits for yourself, and I support it... hell that is how I make money. I guess I just feel that this is not the place to be looking for it in that manner.

Peace

[lostinbeta]

Hey, I know where are you coming from dan, but I still consider myself a newbie flasher (3 months now baby, YEAH!) so I don't think I can put in much of an opinion on this matter.

PS: Sorry for the cheezy "Austin Powers" impression

[telekinesis]

I just became a member of this sweet new 3D/CG/Anime forum ( www.cgtalk.com ) with VTS(edwin) and I wouldn't mind if some people joined me so that me and edwin aren't the only flashers posting! Of course I will be on the same name, I'm not trying to persuade anyone to go to another forum, the cgtalk.com forum has nothing to do with flash but is very interesting for anyone with 3d/cg/anime intentions of learning!

[Ryall]

I'll definitly check out that forum... dan, I just hope you dont take anything I said the wrong way, simply my opinion about THIS forum, I do agree with and understand where youre coming from.... FLASH on my friend!

Peace

[Kitiara]

Um, I have a small suggestion, in an attempt to placate mods and non-mods alike.

Why not let everyone enter the contest, but when judging it, take into account the entrants level of skill? That way you could see who has made the most creative use of the resources available to them? This should even out the balance between those with amazing ActionScript skills and those who are still learning.

So the winner isn't neccessarily the best code writer, but the person who put their own personal skills to the best use?

[kirupa]

Hey Kit,
That's a good idea. Btw, mods can win prizes as well btw. Mods won't be excluded in any way. So, calm down dan =)

Cheers!
Kirupa :P

[upuaut]

lol.. Well that's good K~. I like Kit's idea as well. I was trying to think along those lines about a week ago and I ran into a potential snag. How do we judge the skill level in the first place? For instance.. a lot of people get impressed with my a/s skills, but I still consider myself very much the novice in that area. It would really take someone looking at a variety of my stuff, and sorting through the FLA's to see exactly what skill level I am.

I guess it could work if we used a very limted scaling method. Like level 1 2 or 3. I think anything more than that though will get troublesome.

Just thoughts.

[Kitiara]

Yeah, that's the kind of thing I was thinking of. Perhaps people could submit a few pieces of their own work beforehand for the judges to look at, so they can gauge the skill level of the entrant. That way people should have a fairly accurate assessment of what someone can do, and whether they've tried to broaden their sphere of knowledge and use their talents with their entry.

Basically I'm not really much of a scripter yet and I'm a little daunted by the prospect of going up against the great ones themselves. :)

[Iammontoya]

I guess I can't pull away from this site. I missed all the action! hahahaha... I like the debate. I think it will be nearly impossible to figure out who is downplaying their flash abilities in order to win a contest. The contest itself is really supposed to be about motivation and inspiration. I am sure some will simply take advantage, unfortunately. Wonder what we can do about that?

As far as mods? Hmm.. I think with that, with enough sponsors, we could have a mod only contest once in a while. Or, again with sponsors, a mod of the month award. Something like that...

Either way, I hope it becomes something useful and fun that will surely increase this already popular board.

Have a great day!

[kirupa]

Hey all,
Btw, should someone create a sample animation to display in the guidelines page? It doesn't have to be really good (you don't want to use your winning entry for example lol), but just a basic example of how a sample entry would look like. We don't want people to be too confused and walk away.

EDIT: Should there also be a size limit for the SWF? I don't want to have a 30 minute high-resolution video stuck in Flash called a good entry because of the special effects hehe.

Cheers!
Kirupa :o

[lostinbeta]

Hmmm, well it can't be a video because the Contest is to use only AS with a certain theme involved. Imported video doesn't really involve the AS we will be talking about.

That is a good point kirupa, there should be an example .fla. Hmmm............................................

[kirupa]

Actually Pom, sent me a sample attached below.

[lostinbeta]

Nothing happens when I click on that. I think you need to .zip it.

[kirupa]

lol, I did that immediately after I uploaded it. I guess you clicked the link in the seconds before I changed it.

[lostinbeta]

Hmm, odd, it still isn't working for me........
<B>EDIT:</B> Nevermind, I cleared my browser cache and it worked like a charm:)

[kirupa]

Trying again:

[telekinesis]

Is that suppose to be an animations? And will we have contest on other stuff besides just straight up actionscript, like maybe a cartoon contest, a 3ds max contest, photoshop contest, ya know stuff like that?

[lostinbeta]

That sounds cool, but what about the people here that don't have those programs?

I only have Photoshop and Flash:(

I wouldn't mind seeing the results of that though=) I don't care if I couldn't participate, it would just be nice to see what you can do in a program like that.

[upuaut]

I think that would be neat as well.

A thought I had on that would be to have varying contests per month.. obviously we would want it to center around a/s and effects.. but there's nothing wrong with saying "this month we're doing the coolest swift3d project. So if you don't have s3d, just don't enter this month."

As long as it didn't happen every other monthing I would hope that no one would get bent about it.

Still just mulling ideas over in my head btw.. I see that this thread, and the other one on this subject got heated a couple of times. Due in no small part to my own comments I'll admit. Remember people that brain storming is about throwing ideas out there. No one has a perfect idea right off the bat. Instead we throw anything up, even the wildest craziest ideas and then we discuss the merits and flaws of each.

So to those of you with a thought.. please post it. Don't get upset if not everyone likes it.
For those who have an opinion on someone else's idea, try not to be too critical.. just tell why you see it as a good or bad idea.

If we can just remember those two things, I doubt that it will get heated again in here.

This is JUST A RAP SESSION. ;)

I know that one of the things I'm concerned about, as far as myself being able to participate is this. I've spent the last 2 years learning about Flash web design and imported data. That applies not at all to anything interesting. Sure I could make a cool popup menu that is dynamicaly created from an XML doc.. but that doesn't mean that I have the first clue how to make a spiral effect out of dot shaped movie clips. (really.. I've been trying for a while and can't get it to work)

It's not just skill as we've been discussing but also very much about area's of expertise as Dan said in the previous post.

To tell the truth.. I'd be happy in the end just helping with the judging if that's the way it goes. My rewards in Flash come from producing and teaching.. not winning contests.

again.. again.. just thoughts that are mulling around in my brain.

[lostinbeta]

Sounds good to me david. I probably won't submit much either. But I will still mess around to see what I come up with.

[Ryall]

good ideas so far.. I am really looking forward to this when it begins! Thought: I think having contests in other areas of focus (ie Photoshop) is a great idea. One thing though - this site is geared towards flash (mostly) so what would you say about still having an AS comp every month then occasionally throw in a photoshop comp with it. Then you dont exclude people that come here for only flash related things. Just something I was thinking about, because I go to an entirely different forum for photoshop stuff, so that lead me to this. I dunno how feasable it would be to have two projects to judge every now and again... but hey, an idea.

Peace

[upuaut]

i don't know.. judging isn't nearly as hard as coming up with the stuff.. I think that's a great thought.

[lostinbeta]

The ideas are pouring out now......:)

[Ryall]

here they come :P .......

[kirupa]

That is brilliant! I am not sure I can line up sponsors for prizes every month, but every two months or so we can have a contest similar to this. This time let's start off with ActionScript, the next time it can be a PhotoShop competition, etc. Basically it has to be about a program that many people have and understand how to use.

Cheers!
Kirupa :rambo:

[pom]

Wow! Took me ages to read all that! A few things I wanted to say:

First, the file I gave was just a grid. Without any effect, so that people who don't know how the hell they're going to make the grid have a starting point. Now if you want to have an idea of what I had in mind, you can check this:
A grid (http://membres.lycos.fr/museebranly/flash/grids03.html)
Click and hold gently around and you'll see. Or not so gently. :)

About that moderator thing. Dan, let me tell you that I had to hit my head against the wall to write that 'Mods won't participate thing'. If Kirupa wants us to participate, I'll be delighted.

About that level thing, I think it can't be done if we invite people from 'outside'. If Robert Penner comes around saying he's a newbie, how are we going to know? But it is true that having people competing against mods is illogical. Having mods competing against each other is illogical too, because we don't have the same scripting level. So what should we do? Dunno...

And for the moment, no 3DSMAX, no Photoshop, please :P It's an AS contest. You'll do what you want next month.

pom :asian:

[lostinbeta]

That grid this is pretty sweet Ilyas. I find that hard to compete with...haha. I will try though.

[Didiusthegreat]

Wow a contest, that's brilliant!:)

However I won't participate, I am an newbie in Flash. 3D studio max (never used it), photoshop (never used it). I think we should indeed just keep it with flash.

I only hope you guys don't forget the newbies, who still have a 56 k modem!! :*(

However If indeed a contest comes, I hope the beginners can learn from it to! :-\

DidiusTheGreat

[kirupa]

Hi everyone,
Ok, I've almost finished all the contest preparations: http://www.kirupa.com/contest/index.htm

Now, I have a few more questions lol:

1.) Should the people who submit provide their FLA's as well?
2.) How will the voting process be? Will all the entries in the final days of the contest be placed in a gigantic poll for people to vote for? The problem I see with that is that many may not see ALL the entries, and therefore, some of the entries toward the bottom may be at a disadvantage. I want it to be fair and balanced.....should there be a preliminary voting by a few non-partisan individuals (aka those who don't participate such as myself) who pick the best twenty entries and then allow the people to vote?
3.) What will the size requirement be for the entries?
4.) What name should the new forum created just for the contest be called? "Competitions" maybe ;)?

Finally, I am aware this contest is aimed primarily at actionscripters. There did not seem to be any easy way of making a contest in which everyone could have an equal opportunity of participating. MODS WILL BE ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE! Again, moderators will be allowed to participate. Please don't circumvent the voting or do anything that will make the competition unfair - for you as moderators have great powers to bend polls and aything else to your own will :evil:

I am not asking all these questions to be picky (no???), but these are questions that people will have. It's better to have these issues resolved before the contest goes live. If human nature were perfect, rules would not be needed, but alas we can use the imperfections of human natures to our benefit =)

If anyone thinks of anything else that needs to be added to the rules, don't hesitate to tell me. All opinions are welcome.

Cheers!
Kirupa :P

[lostinbeta]

Hmm, lets see...


1) Yes, I think they should supply an FLA file.

2) I don't think we should have an unlimited amount of entries, simply for the fact that people will not want to peruse through all of them. I like your idea of top 20.

3) I am guessing size means file size, I don't think their should be a limit. Although we don't want file sizes that are outragous, it is hard to set a limit because different effects could change the file size so it will vary A LOT, unless you can set a semi-high size that a file most likely will not pass.

4)"Kirupa Forum AS Competition" or if I think of anything clever I will bring it up, but my mind is blank right now.


I read everything and I do agree with the rules.

Your text next to your flash title on both the rules and prizes page still link to your MX photo gallery. I thought you would like to know that.

[upuaut]

1.) Should the people who submit provide their FLA's as well?

Absolutely. If someone is plagerizing another programer the only way to tell is to have the source code availiable to us.


2.) How will the voting process be? Will all the entries in the final days of the contest be placed in a gigantic poll for people to vote for? The problem I see with that is that many may not see ALL the entries, and therefore, some of the entries toward the bottom may be at a disadvantage. I want it to be fair and balanced.....should there be a preliminary voting by a few non-partisan individuals (aka those who don't participate such as myself) who pick the best twenty entries and then allow the people to vote?

Well... I think that all entries should be held in secret until all entries have been made.. in general though I would like us to try to keep the voting as a single run of votes, based upon someone seeing every entry at once. Sometimes if you have illimination rounds people complain of fixes in the judging process. Course I might just be being paranoid.


3.) What will the size requirement be for the entries?

Should be different depending upon the project. In general though we should keep them low.. below half a meg at least.. if not smaller.


4.) What name should the new forum created just for the contest be called? "Competitions" maybe ;)?

Give me a few minutes on this. I'll bet I come up with a winner.


Finally, I am aware this contest is aimed primarily at actionscripters. There did not seem to be any easy way of making a contest in which everyone could have an equal opportunity of participating. MODS WILL BE ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE! Again, moderators will be allowed to participate. Please don't circumvent the voting or do anything that will make the competition unfair - for you as moderators have great powers to bend polls and aything else to your own will Muhahahahaha

whatever do you mean. ;)

[pom]

My Two cents:

1.) Should the people who submit provide their FLA's as well?

Definitely. Otherwise how are we supposed to learn anything :)

2.) How will the voting process be? Will all the entries in the final days of the contest be placed in a gigantic poll for people to vote for? The problem I see with that is that many may not see ALL the entries, and therefore, some of the entries toward the bottom may be at a disadvantage. I want it to be fair and balanced.....should there be a preliminary voting by a few non-partisan individuals (aka those who don't participate such as myself) who pick the best twenty entries and then allow the people to vote?

Well, why not do 2 votes. A bit like in Cannes festival. The official jury, and the prizes given by the public. Kirupa and a little bunch could choose their favorite file, and give that person something, and we have another vote, independent, where Kirupa and Co select a bunch of files to choose from. Just an idea (cos I agree with Upu about the fact that we should 'try to keep the voting as a single run of votes, based upon someone seeing every entry at once.' And at the same time it's better if everybody has its word to say.
But Upu, I don't understand why we should keep them secret.

3.) What will the size requirement be for the entries?

It's script, with no graphics, so 10 kb should be more than enough. The file I sent is less than 1kb.

4.) What name should the new forum created just for the contest be called? "Competitions" maybe ;)?

Competitions, contest... I don't like too much. Too serious :P

What do you think?

pom :asian:

[Uthar]

Hey,

I'm wondering what the time limit for this is? As in when the competition closes off and the judging/submission review starts.

Danke,

Uth :nerd:

[upuaut]

I think, Pom, by 'keeping it secret', I was meaning something other than what you got. What I meant was that, probebly, no one should see ANY entries until they have all been made. That would prevent a bunch of situations from arrising which might give one person an edge, or a preconcieved notion about what he/she might be up against in that particular round of entries.

the name the name.. still trying to think of a cool name. :)

[pom]

Uthar>>We'll worry about that when the contest starts :P

And Upu, I see what you mean... OK, why not.
And about the name, let's just take Flashturbating. I'm sure Dan's with me on that one. :)

pom :asian:

[lostinbeta]

It will be the "Who can flashturbate the best?" contest!!!

haha:P

[Didiusthegreat]

wow wow, wacht you language!! :o :)

[lostinbeta]

ILYAS STARTED IT!!!!:P

[Didiusthegreat]

hahahaha, I'll just tell what i feel:

I LOVE KIRUPA, IT IS A GREAT PLACE!

[pom]

Come on, Lost, putting the blame on me is a bit easy :evil:

There should be something including the idea that we'll learn something, that's it's fun and of course that it's a competition, don't you think?

[pom]

Hey Kir. You there?

[kirupa]

Hey Pom,
Yeah I am here :) So, I'll create the forum and related stuff today hopefully. So, when do you guys want to start the competition, and how long should this competition last? About one month? I believe that users should be able to see the other entries so they'll know what they are competing against. It also helps beginners to get some ideas on how to use a grid, etc.

Cheers!
Kirupa :rambo:

[lostinbeta]

I think the contest should last a month, and just so it becomes a montly contest I think we should start it in ht beginning of October. That way all new comers and people new to the contest will have a full month to test their skills.

Showing entries has it's good and bad points. Good points are for ideas and so you know what you are going against so you can try an outdo that. Bad things are intimidation and the copying of effects. I vote to show the entries though.

Ilyas: Sorry to blame you:( , but you did start it:P <FONT FACE="verdana" STYLE="font-size: 10px">(hehe)</FONT>

[pom]

I think we should show entries, definitely. There was a discussion about that at bit-101, and as they said, it's an open-source contest. We're here to learn, to get inspiration from one another, so if we hide the entries...

And I did start it, but you asked for it!! :P And I'm in favour of starting the contest RIGHT NOW!! I think we've waited enough, haven't we? And last thing, 1 month is long, you know. On a site like this one, if we make it 1 month, we'll have 200 entries, and I'm afraid people will lose interest. So why not make it half a month? 15 days to script a grid should be enough, don't you think?

Oh, yeah, and what about the voting process?!?

pom :asian:

[lostinbeta]

15 days is reasonable. I was just saying 1 month to give people time to research their effects, but you know what, if you take that long it is your fault...haha.

Still not sure about the voting. Or the name.

[pom]

I don't know, I liked my idea of 2 separate categories, but on the other hand 1 vote is enough trouble already.

I think we should stick to:
First round: users vote
Second round: Kirupa and a bunch of trustees vote.

The name, the name...

[lostinbeta]

It is the....... Kirupatition...eh...no.

How about... Kirupathon...eh...no to that one too.

I don't know, I am sure we will think of something.

[upuaut]

I don't know.. I like "Kirupatition". Veyr catchy. I'm sure we'll come up with something better.. but I don't think that's bad at all.

[lostinbeta]

Thanks david=)

Hows about...... The AS Battle .... lol .... just kidding, it isn't even technically a battle, it is a learning experience:)

[pom]

Maybe something about Creativity... Guided Creativity, Scripted Creativity... Kireatition??

[lostinbeta]

I also have a few other questions.....

1) Will a person be able to apply actions to BOTH the movie clip and the frame, or is it just frame actions? (i don't see why it would be, but I figured I would ask)

2) Although I won't do it because it will take out all the fun, will a person be able to make their movie clip a simple animation just to add to the effect? (like a tween of it growing and shrinking or something)

I think that is all. I figured I would ask this in case anyone asks me:)

[pom]

MHO:
1. Flash 5 users will have to do that so yes.
2. It's better if you script it. For you because you can control the motion better, and for us because we can try the effect on our comp without having to fo the tween.

pom :asian:

[pom]

Kirupa!! Talk to us!! Please!!! :P

[lostinbeta]

I agree with better for scripting, but I wasn't sure if tweening would be allowed since the contest is for all levels of Actionscripters.

I of course will script everything. I already have a few things ready for the competition:) They are all pretty cheesy, but I don't care about winning, I just want to have fun =)

[pom]

I have a few files too, nothing extraordinary, just some nice effects. :P

[kirupa]

Aight, one last time, what will the name of the contest be? So, the contest will be open-source with entries viewable by all people. The duration of the contest will be 15 days =) The file size will not exceed 15k.

Cheers!
Kirupa :rambo:

[pom]

Yipee!! And sorry Kir, but I have absolutely ZERO idea for a name...

[lostinbeta]

I am still thinking, and if I come up with something I will post it right away. Even if it means kicking someone off of the computer so I can do it. I wouldn't want it to slip my head before I got the chance to let you know.

[upuaut]

man.. names are tough.. I've been racking my brain for days and haven't had a decent idea yet.

[pom]

And also, should we advertise on other boards?

[upuaut]

I don't see any reason why not. I'm not sure if I'd make it my all consuming passtime to advertize.. but it couldn't hurt to attract new people.

[lostinbeta]

I even whipped up an add (with the unofficial name)...

View it here.....Kirupatition (http://www.8ballcreations.com/lostinbeta/kirupa/kirupatition.html)

Ok Ok, you got me, I just wanted to show off my first ever drawing in Adobe Illustrator:( (I actually got to use it at a friends out, I really want that program now....haha, and yes that is a "self portrait" of me drawn by mouse)

[upuaut]

That's pretty cool. I like the art style.

[lostinbeta]

Yeah me too, the chunkiness is a standard line style in Illustrator so it is excellent because I love that kind of line style. I colored it in Flash because it just wasn't working for me in Illustrator.

And yes, I did forget my nose, I will just have to add it when I go back to my friends house:) But I think I look fine without one....haha.

[upuaut]

I think it looks fine that way.. sort of a voodoo doll look. :)

[lostinbeta]

hehe, maybe I should add a pin as the mousepointer.

I still can't think of a name. I am trying to think of something witty, yet serious at the same time. I think that is almost impossible (well except near me there is a company called smylie-times, it was really a colaboration of 2 companies and it made that name, very funny, even though it wasn't meant to be).