how old do you have to be?

[.Matt]

how old do you have to be to work for someone? i mean like.. say ur 14.. and ur better than someone thats older than you and u do a really good job?

can u still go for a job and get paid?

- Matt :mu:

[Lou_Sifffer]

you need to be old enough to carry on a convo like adults with full words, not slang, etc.

most states allow people to get work permits at certain ages, to work after school and such.

If it is your parent's company, then no age limits apply.

[Yeldarb]

Exactly, you have to be mature enough to be able to handle the responsibility. There isn't a set age for this. I know adults who still aren't mature enough.

[Voetsjoeba]

I'm 15 and I have done several jobs .. they generally don't mind you being that young, most of the times they're amazed :D You have to talk decently etc, like Rev said. Nohing much can go wrong if you make a good, professional impression.

[Hi_Nu]

Can we see some material that you have done. I personaly would not even attempt to do a pay job just yet, you have to know AS HTML PHP XML XSLT by heart and you have a Deadline, I do not sugest that you attempt it, but if you HAVE to you could try to pull one off during the summer.

[Lou_Sifffer]

you have to know AS HTML PHP XML XSLT by heart and you have a Deadline
You do?

When did there become a minimum list of things you must know before you can get a job?

Where did this list come from?

[Yeldarb]

Different jobs have different requiremends Hi_Nu, for example, a website for a local golf course has different requirements than a huge corporate e-commerce site. I definitely don't know all of those things that you listed "by heart," but I have produced a few quality websites for clients (I am 15). Voets is right, the clients don't usually care how old you are. My clients are always really cool about it and astonished that I am so young and know so much.

And as for that list, I don't know XML or even know what XSLT is.

[Hi_Nu]

I am sorry, I did not chose my words carfully enough, it is Sugested that you atlest can make a Flexible website that anybody can update imformation. this is where XML and XSLT come in, XML can hold data and is widly used for almost anything, XSLT can transform XML into XHTML or HTML, PHP would be used for anything that you would not like to have Stadic (just look at the Server side fourm) Once again I did not pick the best words, and I am sorry for that. Sites below will hep you learn some of these laguages, you don't need these laguages, but you will impove you resuma with them
XML and almost any web based laguages (http://www.w3schools.com)
Advace XML and XSLT (http://www.xml.com)
very good site for all programing laguages, and a lot of PHP things (http://www.devshed.com)
The Home Of PHP (http://www.php.net)

[Yeldarb]

At this point, I'm not interested in learning XML or XSLT, my point was that you really don't <i>need</i> all of those things, escpecially when you are first starting out. There are plenty of people who would be happy to hire someone and keep paying them to update. And PHP would work just as well as a content management system (with mySQL of course)

[Hi_Nu]

At this point, I'm not interested in learning XML or XSLT, my point was that you really don't <i>need</i> all of those things, escpecially when you are first starting out. There are plenty of people who would be happy to hire someone and keep paying them to update. And PHP would work just as well as a content management system (with mySQL of course)
yep, but that is not XML is about, but a mySQL would work too, but is it a need to learn mySQL (I need to upgrade my local host)

[Yeldarb]

No, none of this is needed. As I said, different projects require different skills. You could potentially create a great website with just html and an image editor.

[jnicklo]

FIRST OFF: Using slang or whatever will NOT hinder you from getting a job in the design field. I love how people who most likely havent worked more than a week at a REAL design studio think they now how the whole system works.

I will tell you all right now, IF your work is good and IF you can show your employer (most likely a smaller company if it'll be your first job) that you can get the job done, he's not going to care if you use the words "dawg" or "aight".

I'll provide two THREE examples of this.


1. I was the Art Director for a small, South Florida based web company called Citracom. We needed a flash developer who was GOOD and wasn't expensive. So we interviewed some people. One fellow by the name of Trevor (whom was & still is pretty darn good at flash) had the whole slang talk thing. But he got the job. He did it well.

2. I worked as a Graphic Designer in the marketing department of a fitness company. We worked on some pretty large clients like Kathy Smith and Prevention magazine. There was a guy who was a little younger than me who did all of our tech support as well as graphics. The kid was great. Yet he listended to rap, said "yo" and to top it off his favorite greeting was "What Up?".

3. And the final example is ME. I got my first web design job when I was in 11th grade. I interned for a company for $8.50 an hour doing HTML and layouts in Photoshop as well as making buttons. I used "slang" and I was young (16 1/2 I believe) and from there I've gone on to work at some pretty decent jobs. In fact this month makes it FIVE years since I started designing for a professional company.


If you guys ever need any tips on picking up a design job, let me know. I'll be glad to help you out.

[Xeogears13]

I got my first 'job' like a month ago (I'm 14) and the guy was fine with my age.

Two tips:
-You should tell the person how old you are before you start anything (the person might not want some 14 year old making him a site/movie/graphic).
-Not that you CAN'T speak slang, it's just better not to. I mean do what ever you want, it's just a suggestion.

-bob

[jnicklo]

See, what I am getting at here is.......

MOST employers dont give a rats tail about how you talk so as long as you can dish out good design and do it FAST!

You most likely wont be speaking to clients, thats what Project managers and salesman are for.

[Lou_Sifffer]

See, what I am getting at here is.......

MOST employers dont give a rats tail about how you talk so as long as you can dish out good design and do it FAST!

You most likely wont be speaking to clients, thats what Project managers and salesman are for.
how old do you have to be to work for someone? i mean like.. say ur 14.. and ur better than someone thats older than you and u do a really good job?

can u still go for a job and get paid?

- Matt :mu:
Did he ask about a specific job?

No. There you go assuming he meant in a web company. You also assume that MOST jobs have salesmen and project managers. Not facts. Actually errors.

Probably not a good idea to assume. Although you probably already knew that.

[jnicklo]

Dude, please.

this is a DESIGN FORUM!!!!

Who in their right mind would ask about getting a job elsewhere.

"Hey will WalMart hire me at 14?"


Stop it please.




And if a company doesnt have a salesman.....then I feel sorry for them.

[Lou_Sifffer]

First, Don't call me Dude. If I'm not allowed to call you Sparky, you can call me Lou, or Mr Sifffer.

Just because this is a design forum do not assume everything here is related to design.

Assuming is wrong. You assume way too much.

[jnicklo]

OK lets pretend Mr Stiffer is not here and get back on topic.

I definately feel that IF the talent is there a 15 year old can get a part time design job. :)

[Lou_Sifffer]

ARIZONA CHILD LABOR LAWS

Constitution of the State of Arizona

Article XVIII

Labor


Section 2. Child Labor



In Arizona, no minor, under the age of 14 can be employed in any occupation at any time during school hours, nor shall any child under 16 be employed in underground mines, or in any occupation injurious to health or morals or hazardous to life or limb, nor for more than 8 hours in one day.


23-233. Permissible Hours of Labor for Persons Under the Age of Sixteen

In Arizona, the restrictions on employment pertaining to minors aged 16 and under are:
they may work no more than 40 hours in one week when school is not in session or the person is not enrolled in any session
they may work no more than 18 hours per week when school is in session
they may not work more than 8 hours per day when school is not in session or the person is not enrolled
they may not work more than 3 hours in one day when school is in session

Furthermore, no minor under 16:
shall be employed at night (9:30 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. when school is in session, or 11:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. on a day preceding a day when there is no school)
shall work in solicitation sales or deliveries on a door to door basis between 7:00 p.m. and 9:30 p.m. when school is in session, or 7:00 p.m. and 11:30 p.m. on days preceding a non-school day

to really answer your question. :) go to google.

[APDesign]

I'm 15 and I have done several jobs .. they generally don't mind you being that young, most of the times they're amazed :D You have to talk decently etc, like Rev said. Nohing much can go wrong if you make a good, professional impression.

Completely off topic - Lou == Rev??? I was wondering what the heck happened to him.

Completely on topic - to say you NEED to know "AS HTML PHP XML XSLT by heart " is completely ridiculous, what if he is going to design a site for the local barber who just wants some info on the web? Chances are his first job isn't going to require flash, PHP, and XML integration. Then again I've never had a job. :shrug:

[jnicklo]

*sigh*

It all depends on what the employer is looking for.

Like I said, if you need tips on finding your first, second, third job let me know. I'll be more than happy to help.




Lou - Go do something useful and comment on the work I posted in Showcase.

[APDesign]

jnicklo, you better hope Lou isn't Rev, you aren't being very nice. :puzzle:

[jnicklo]

:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

[Yeldarb]

I believe Lou was referring to conversing on the internet. It definitely isn't a turn on to an employer if you are a 1337 h4><()r. You have to be able to get your words across. That is not to say that you can't use a bit of slang.

[Lou_Sifffer]

I believe Lou was referring to conversing on the internet. It definitely isn't a turn on to an employer if you are a 1337 h4><()r. You have to be able to get your words across. That is not to say that you can't use a bit of slang.
wow! a breath of fresh air.

Thanks Brad!

That, and the AZ State Labor Statutes, were my points exactly.

AP:

Jnicklo has nothing to fear from me. He is his own worst enemy. He just doesn't realize it yet.

[slayerment]

Dude, you're wrong.

[Lou_Sifffer]

Dude, you're wrong.
care to elaborate?

Which "dude" is wrong?

[jnicklo]

its ok quinton ;) you and i dont work in the design field :)

We're bums and Im my own worst enemy, and to think that I thought Pc's, Flash and small monitors were my worst enemy!! ;)

[Prophet]

ive mentioned it in anovr thread but it applies here perhaps even more so...
if u can create a fairly intuitive JavaScript client update tool... will u ever need my sql or ne of that stuff? ( i mean i no its good to hav on ur resume etc but...)
im 17 and have my first "job" or request as its gonna b for free to giv me sum experience.. plus i work for them!! (part time as im in my penultimate year at school with no intentions of goin to uni)
i tell u theyr gonna be the coolest farm on the web!! lol
i thout itd b a good idea to at least get 1 example of wat i can do on the web b4 i start askin ne1 for money... just to let them no im serious uno?

Prophet.

[lunatic]

Wow. No offense prophet but your post would make all my english teachers turn gray. ;) Took me about 10 minutes just to understand it! Hope you don't use that kind of language on the site you are designing - or they might not take you seriously.

But back to topic - you will get hired for a paying job based on a combination of your talent, knowledge, and experience. Show them what you can do or have done. I've seen some amazing sites done by first-timers and some pretty crappy ones done by folk who have been flashing for awhile. Sites and site designers come in all flavors.
:hr:

[Prophet]

:D sorry, habit - used to be a really active member of a forum for a game - got turned moderator aftr a lil wile as wel!
nope, **** good english on site tho... well... after i replace the placeholder gobbledegook!! (eg. "bnusiksfb" to check evrythings werkin ;) )
so ne word on wat my sql can actually b used for (i mean in greater detail) and y its so highly spoken of in these here forum parts? ;)

Prophet.

[lunatic]

got database?

:beam:

[radioxromance]

yah I love mysql. You can store information in the db and pull it out and manipulate it. I think the most attractive part of it is that it is free and so is php, as long as your server supports them, you can get the job done quickly and well.

[Prophet]

sorry peeps, im anti database it would seem!! lol
i just havnt seen the benefits of it yet... for now ill just stick to flashing clients ;) lol (heh i say it like ive had hundreds already as well! :P )
so wuld u suggest i learn it if im to go into web designing or concentrate more on mastering Flash MX and Fireworks MX (and wen i eventually get it Dreamweaver MX) for now?

Prophet.

[lunatic]

I suggest for now that you work on improving your spelling and grammer. :P








j/k! :beam:

[Prophet]

git
hows that for spelling?! ;)
lol j/k also :P

Prophet.

Edit:- btw shouldnt it be grammar? ;)

[lunatic]

Edit:- btw shouldnt it be grammar? ;)

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH! You got me. Good one, heh heh.

:beer: <-- for you
:trout: <-- for me

[Jamie Barton]

I'm only 15 and i run a web hosting company with 2 adults, its a very good business and i do the web design side.

TAX is the main thing is the thing to think about, i think its 16 when you start to get taxed, im not sure, might be 18 or 20. But once you go into there, you need to pay the tax man on all your profits :(

I do design mostly for $200, $150. And had a lot of clients in the past :)

Get into web design, its the best on the internet to do :)


Regards
Jamie