Site Design Fees?

[mrhines1]

I have recently designed a site for the golf course I work at and was wondering if anyone could tell me how much you would've charged to make it.

I hadn't planned on charging anything but they insist.

It's pretty basic with the exception of a Flash calendar. Any advice on a price would be appreciated.

Also, if you could give me an idea of price ranges based on including Flash or scripts that would be great (as I plan to eventually include a form).

Thank you!!!

Heather Hills Golf Club (http://www.heatherhills.net)

[ScHAmPi]

Id on't now anything about that but if they insist (and because they're rich golfers) I would ask something about 75 €. (thats about the same in $ I think)

[McGuffin]

I'd say roughly $85 american. Theres nothing incredible about your site, but where pay is due, pay is due :)

[Digitalosophy]

Originally posted by Colin Campbell
I'd say roughly $85 american. Theres nothing incredible about your site, but where pay is due, pay is due :)

ehh i dont knwo about $85, that won't even cover webhosting. i'd say about $4-500

[ScHAmPi]

Yeah of course if he had to pay the hosting too but I don't think he had. If it's for the designing only I'm sure 75 $ will be enough!

[Yeldarb]

I'd say charge by the hour, take what you want to charge as an hourly wage and multiply it by the number of hours you worked.

[CanadianGuy]

Originally posted by Colin Campbell
I'd say roughly $85 american. Theres nothing incredible about your site, but where pay is due, pay is due :)

You're kidding right?

I'd say at the very least $400 and that's taking into consideration that they're you're employers and this site was done kinda like a favor.

Think about how much money they'll spend on a newspaper ad that only runs for a day?

[mrhines1]

Hey guys, thanks for the replies.

I was personally thinking around the $200 range which interestingly enough, falls between the 2 extremes mentioned. So maybe I'll stick with that and see what they say.

I can't charge by the hour because I hadn't kept track. I just worked on the site when I was bored or had time. But I am curious as to what any of you charge on an hourly basis.

I have nothing to do with the hosting, but they will be looking for a new host in the next few months. I have looked at a few options and Media Temple looks like a good choice at the moment. Have any of you dealt with them and how was the experience?

Once again, thanks for the input!!!

[Yeldarb]

www.siteflip.com is also very good, depending on what you need and the number of visitors you are expecting.

[McGuffin]

$200 sounds good, depending on whether you're hosting or not. It also depends on what you want for it. You didn't seem too willing to accept lots of money, sorry for the low estimate :P

[colorpixels]

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[ScHAmPi]

Sorry but what are you trying to tell ous here, colorpixels? These links... This topic was just made to ask ous how mutch he should ask for making the site.

[CanadianGuy]

lol. Maybe those links are actually his signature.

[McGuffin]

Signatures have the line to separate post from signature, so he definitely posted the links ;P

[dboers]

I presume that the people talkin about 75 euro or US talking about a price per hour, because when you mean 75 for the job I'm affraid that in a couple of years we will have a lot of homeless people in the world because nobody can pay the rent. Just make an estimation of how many hours the job took you and charge about 50 US or euro an hour

[dreamer]

I would charge very little. these really little good design here. Not a complex site to make. Its very basic. I would charge less then $80USD.

[sanman918]

i own a web design company, and yes its nothing advanced but i would charge around $500 or up for that site. These poor *** kids on these forums dont understand your providing a service, and web design is a talent. $500 is nothing for a business such as a golf course, which brings in thousands every month. I would say $35/hour for designing a site is a VERY fair price.

[Digitalosophy]

Originally posted by sanman918
These poor *** kids on these forums dont understand your providing a service, and web design is a talent. $500 is nothing for a business such as a golf course, which brings in thousands every month.

Not sure who you are referring to, but relax . Like you said KIDS..... Some of these reponses are coming from teenagers.

[sanman918]

i am relaxed, i just dont want to see someone who is providing a service and should be getting paid well for something they have provided, not get what he/she deserves because he/she got bad information about people who dont have the knowledge to give an adequete response.

[Digitalosophy]

i agree, i actually gave the same figure you did. actually i couldn't agree more with you. however referring to kirupa members a poor *** kids is not tolerated here.
=)

[sanman918]

agree, i wasn't referring to kirupa members only i was referring to half the kids doing web design as a "company" on the internet. So I wasn't directing it towards kirupa members.

[mrhines1]

In case any of you were wondering, they ended up paying me $200. That was fair enough to me since, as some have pointed out, it wasn't a very complex site. Plus they are going to pay me for updating it throughout the year.

Thank you all for your input!

[Lost]

Ask for more if your going to be updating it, they paid you for the website, not the extra time you have to put into updating it.

just a thought

[sanman918]

Plus they are going to pay me for updating it throughout the year.

They will be paying him to maintain the site. :crazy:

[ScHAmPi]

Hmm fair enough...

[dr.ew]

the easiest way to figure what to charge: Ask yourself realistically what wage you deserve/need for your work per week...ie after rent, groceries, etc, i need at least 350/week. plus, i have x experience and x skills i had to draw on for this project so that # gets bumped up to say $550. Now divide that by 40 and figure out how many hrs it took you to complete, from conception to completion...now multiply the 2, and thats what u should charge.
Trying to find out what the 'going rate' is is often hard to do. Also, this sort of logic keeps the pay for all designers at a standstill: everyone is too concerned with having the same/lower price than everyone else, rather than charging what they need to in order to make a living. You think television ad agencies got rich by making sure they undercharged? If you are providing a service, then like all other services, the cost of sustaining that service and the cost of sustaining your own standard of living must be reflected in the price. This is the only way that new media designers will get the respect and pay that they deserve, alongside the designers and cultural producers of other media.

Having said all that, i'd charge 4-500$. =]

[mariofan]

some of the above comments are some of the most insultive ones ive seen on these forums....

[fastdesign]

Hi,

Company Sites like http://www.cisin.com can be designed in India @$80 for template + $20 per page.

In the same site, there is a Product site at http://www.cisin.com/perfectsysteminfo/ with flash and other stuff, such site's template will cost approx $200 for template + $20 per page.

Another example site like www.LiveHelpIndia.com (http://www.LiveHelpIndia.com)
Template @$300 + $20 per page.


Regards,
FastDesign!!!

[m00nz00mer]

$80!!! what the hell are you on!? If your freelancing it, average hourly rate is £20 per hour.. say the design takes a full day 9 hours thats £180 + the developing couple of days .. £360 = £540.. + hosting £60 = at least £600 for a fast turn around!

optional mark up +£100 lol

[Phenex]

All he's saying is that he'll download some pirated templates in a zip file from a P2P and indecently change the name and call it a logo and just stuff those files as they are on the server and call it a site.

I've seen that happen in 90% of the cases where a local Indian businessman's site is involved. Damn! Now I feel bad about myself.

:(

I'm sorry if this somehow, offends anyone.

[CriTiCeRz]

I think this thread is very interesting... I mean, it helped me at least... because I wasn't so sure about how much to charge for a site...

[nishanthe]

I am from Sri Lanka. And one day one of my US client asked me to do a project which I quoted $1200 for just $500. The reason? He said because the Cost of living is less here we should do things for cheaper and even $500 is too big for us. I rejected that right away and he is no more my client.
So my personal opinion is, sites like elance.com, guru.com , scriptlance.com (I am not a fan of last two) offer us the global exposure, the fake competition among the fake designer/developers has created an inflation (low appreciation for the services). So the thing is though the theories and reasons given here for pricing are all true, they cannot apply every where.

[ironikart]

I'm sorry, but I think that you shouldn't ask that much for this design. The header says XHTML 1.0 transitional, but it's full of non-compliant content and it's laid out with tables. I'd only ask for time and materials, and only you can judge how much your time is worth.

[lacohido]

After two long years of working for peanuts (undercharging, bending over backwards for clients, Revise after revise after revise), I've decided to charge what I think I'm worth. F what other designers are charging. If you can't live on what you do, you need to charge more, do less, or get out.

I'm trying to be inspiring, but it may come off pretentious :wt:

Im just saying that we as designers need to look at our work objectively and charge what its really worth.

I think the two main stumbling blocks when it comes to charging for a website are other designers and the client.

First, other web designers. Don't be concerned with what other designers are charging. If they can make a living selling websites for $80, good for them... sounds like a LOT of work. If you are still interested in other designers wages, take a look in your more immediate sorroundings. Find out about designers in your local area. That is who you may be competing with. If you are better then Joe Shmoe down the street, charge more than him. If your not as good as Joe, charge the same :afro: . Better yet instead of thinking of what other designers charge, think about what you can charge the client.

In my experience, fear of the client has always been an issue. Fear that the client doesn't like what I've produced... Fear that the client won't be able to afford what it really costs to produce a good website... Fear that the client will walk away if I ask for more than a 3 digit budget......... F the client!!! If the client wants a template for $99, let him go and figure it out for himself. That's why I think its important to do three things early on with the client... Judge your client, define their budget and let them know where the money is going.

Is your client the "mom and pop store" down the street or is your client "Wal-Mart"? Judging your client is very important for web designers. The more money they have, the more you should charge, the bigger and grander the site possibilities. If "Wal-Mart" has a $500 budget, laugh in their faces... If "mom and pop" have $500 work with what they have to offer. Offer em a site like the "Heather Hills Golf Club". Minimal graphic design, no flash, up in less than a month. Quick turn around.

On to Budget. Define it early!!! This will save you a lot of turmoil later on. It's always best if you and the client are on the same page in terms of pay. It also lets you know how much you should put into a site before you start it.

And finally, the way to sell a bigger budget is to let the client know where the money is going. Breakdown the budget. Show them that in addition to "web design", there are also the jobs of "graphic design" and "web developement". Here's an example: The client wants a website with a flash menu system, but doesn't have a prexisting company logo. Start splitting up the work... Show the client that first you have to create an identity (a logo) for their company, That costs $XXXX (Graphic Design). After that we come up with a layout (using Photoshop or Illustrator) that suits your needs, That costs $XXXX (Graphic Design). Once approved by the client, we convert that layout to HTML, That costs $XXXX (Web Design). Then we need to develop and implement the Flash menu system, That costs $XXXX (Web Dev). Overall, the cost is $XXXX. Breaking it down for the client lets them really know what they are getting and the unique talent you are providing.

In, conclusion, DONT TELL A FELLOW DESIGNER TO SELL THEIR $500 SITE FOR $80 (refering to the Golf site). If you say he's only worth 1/6th of what he deserves, then you are saying the rest of us are only worth 1/6th of what we deserve. Stop the abuse!!!!

...you can check out my work at www.acohido.com (http://www.acohido.com) :hugegrin:

Hope this helps
Cheers

[duk3]

http://amprod.net

Can you guys put a number on what you think the client should have paid me for this site, start to finish, from complete scratch? All they had was the company name basically. The logo is WAY simple, but that's where I started.

I already appreciate most :worried: of the above comments and I'm just looking for some $USD numbers.

Thanks guys/gals!

BTW: this was my first site and I know its pretty dysfunctional in some ways.

[jibble]

I've started freelancing full time within the last year and as most of us know, it can be tough to start up and land clients. In my specific case, yes, I have brought my "ideal" price considerably down purely for the reason of getting clients and spreading my business. And by considerably down, I don't mean $80 web sites, thats bull****. i mean i work with the client and their budget, and if we completely disagree i move on and say "sorry, unfortunately we see things a bit different, but thanks for the offer." If they want a web site on a budget for example, I will "budget" my time appropriately. If they are on a money budget, i can be on a time budget right! I REALLY love it when people ask "How much for a basic web site" because every web designer knows there is no such thing as a "basic" web site. DEFINE AND BREAK DOWN EVERYTHING. Did you purchase stock photography? Whats the code like, insane, or a quickie type job? How many "pages", flash, you get the point... EVERYTHING should be taken into account, written down and presented to the client. but the main thing is TIME. Are you busting your *** for peanuts or do you think your getting paid comfortably for the amount of work. Again, in my case, I land the client by working with them about budget, secure them for future work, and next time you can charge a bit more because they like your work, which they always do ;). If people are satisfied with the quality of your work, turn around and overall, they like you, chances are they will pay for your services, regardless(to a point) of the price.

It basically boils down to this. Do find yourself cussing at the monitor saying "**** this he's getting so much for what he's paying!" If thats the case, you should probably rethink your quoting structure.

and $80 is a BAR TAB, NOT a website quote...get real...