High-end design, Low Cost!(think 500/600)

[comicGeek]

http://www.keldesigned.com/v3/images/title.gif

Freelance web design work:

Need a high-end site with dynamic content, Flash, content management and others but on a tight budget?

Try me! :)

Portfolio:
www.my8thday.com (http://www.my8thday.com) - [new]
www.alexfranck.com (http://www.alexfranck.com) - [new]
www.excelschooloflearning.com (http://www.excelschooloflearning.com) - [new] [content not yet managed by owner]
www.estheticeducation.com/lite (http://www.estheticeducation.com/) - [new lite version]
www.estheticeducation.com (http://www.estheticeducation.com/) - [awards: fcukstar, king for a week, e-creative, pixelmakers]
www.galeriebrigitte.com (http://www.galeriebrigitte.com/)
www.excelreviewcenter.com (http://www.excelreviewcenter.com/)
www.olmosphoto.com (http://www.olmosphoto.com/)
www.keldesigned.com (http://www.keldesigned.com/)
www.calungsod.com (http://pcalungsod.keldesigned.com)
www.themindofcomicgeek.ph (http://www.themindofcomicgeek.ph/)

High-end design. Low-cost. Effective.

Think somewhere between $500-600 for a Full-Flash website!

Contact Details:
Keith Edward Leyson
New Media Designer
www.keldesigned.com (http://www.keldesigned.com)
Email: keith@keldesigned.com
Tel +6332 3466511
Mobile +63917 3294900

[CanadianGuy]

Porpous, I'd like to know who is going to make anything better than those sites for $100. If I were you I'd erase your post to spare you anymore embarrassment.

$500-$600 for any kind of a site is a steal in my opinion.

[ratbaggy]

porpous: You ist a big fool...
thou shalt not cast comments like this, unless you too are prepared to show YOUR work and how much you charge.

[McGuffin]

Sorry, I just find it funny that someone would actually charge $100 dollars for sites better than those. That person is either very broke, or very stupid. Of course, there is a huge possibility porpous pulled that out of his a*s.

comicGeek, I love olmosphoto.com, great work :) Good price also.

[McGuffin]

Could you show me instances of these $500 sites? I'd like to see them, interesting. If they are done dynamically ie. PHP/mySQL to update content, and have a solid interface, as his work does, I'd like to see someone charging $100. Most developers who put PHP/mySQL charge over $700 just for that element of the site alone.

[CanadianGuy]

lol I gotcha porpous.

I too would like to see anyone else who could do sites cheaper than comicgeek and do a better job. If there really is anyone I just might take on jobs and sub contract them out to them. lol

[comicGeek]

Well for olmosphoto.com I charged $950 because the site is very big and it has a Full-Flash Content Management System (PHP/MySQL back end). My designs are not the 2Advanced types it is more laid back, minimalistic! I try to make my designs as usable as possible! :)

[Kitiara]

Originally posted by porpous2
no offence but those things arent amazing, and many people could get some amazing websites for at least 100 dollars less, that are probubly better then yours, so.... thats not pretty cheap. Just somehting to say, no mean feelings...


(before this i made it mistake and said 100 dollars less instead of at least, so i really meant no hard feelings, so anyways, i know i made a mistake) You have to be kidding. Seriously.

Anyone who is actually making a living out of web design and development would never charge $100 for a site. That's about £75 in my money, and quite frankly, for a site that involved any sort of back end or server side dynamic functionality, you're looking well into the hundreds.

Remember, you have to:
a) come up with the design and agree it with the client (a very tedious and time consuming process).
b) create all the graphics for the site.
c) create all the animations.
d) code the back-end.
e) code HTML.

Hell, I wouldn't get out of bed for £75, let alone build someone a site with this kind of quality.

[Laslett]

**** I'm about to charge £250 for something like

www.olmosphoto.com


think that under sold?

[comicGeek]

a) come up with the design and agree it with the client (a very tedious and time consuming process).

That is correct Kit! I spent about 2 weeks to agree on a design! And for my current design work took more than a week to discuss the layout with the client. I even submitted 3 design studies for their site!

Laslett: £250 is very low for something like www.olmosphoto.com. The site may appear very simple but if you look inside the coding and the back-end .... £250 just wouldn't do! It took me 1 week just to make the gallery alone. 2 weeks to tie everything up with its FLASH content management system.

Also for those who don't know what a Content Management System is, its an internet application where the owner can change, edit, add, delete anything that is on his website.

[CanadianGuy]

Originally posted by Kitiara

Hell, I wouldn't get out of bed for £75, let alone build someone a site with this kind of quality.

lol. Kitiara, me neither.

Just today I had an aquitance ask me to do a flash site for his mom's bed and breakfast for $500 Canadian. I politely declined, but I really felt insulted.

[Laslett]

Originally posted by comicGeek
That is correct Kit! I spent about 2 weeks to agree on a design! And for my current design work took more than a week to discuss the layout with the client. I even submitted 3 design studies for their site!

Laslett: £250 is very low for something like www.olmosphoto.com. The site may appear very simple but if you look inside the coding and the back-end .... £250 just wouldn't do! It took me 1 week just to make the gallery alone. 2 weeks to tie everything up with its FLASH content management system.

Also for those who don't know what a Content Management System is, its an internet application where the owner can change, edit, add, delete anything that is on his website.


£250 - it is a friend and I'm not doing any backend stuff, just a flash site to give him a web prescence so £250 sorta sounded reasonable but no I may up it as we haven't agreed on anything yet just general request for a site

[comicGeek]

With no back end stuff £250 for me is a deal! As long as you are given artistic freedom. Go for it man!

[comicGeek]

350z: thanks very much! :)

[dreamer]

Theres more to it than just designing a good site. Just because you make a very flashy design doesn't mean its going to be good for your client. Most likely your client isn't going to have a clue about flash or html or anything about the web.

In the simple case they want a site which is easy to manage. A good design with no management tool is stupid. I create good designs but I now make it "default" that I provide a php/mysql database to manage the content. And trust me 500-600 is a good price. I know professional that will charge up to $2000 (design and database).

How much do these fancy management systems cost? A custom admin system will cost up towards $1000 ALONE without the site!

Just curious comicgeek do you provide software to manage your databases (content). EG. I just create the php files and databases. I let the client use myphpadmin to update the database since it gives almost 100% control over the database and I don't need to charge for creating a custom admin system.

BTW. i'm only talking about content management systems with html content not flash, flash is more expensive!

[dreamer]

ALSO people charge $100 and stupid small amounts because your not providing a very good service. You don't just make a fancy site and throw it at them.

I talk to my clients carefully go through alot of design proposes, even get on the phone with them. Also I write instructions on how they can update the site. And now I provide content management systems for all sites. Once you start doing all this you relize it takes time, MOST OF YOUR TIME IS SPENT building the backbone NOT THE DESIGN! I would charge $100 for just the design. never done that since i have always developed the entire site.

[comicGeek]

That's a good point!

Dreamer I don't usually give out the client's hosting control panel especially the ones where they can manage the database directly like phpMyAdmin unless they know that stuff or if they have their own administrators. I make them a web application where they can edit the content mostly the text and images. This way I wouldn't have to explain to them how to use phpMyAdmin which I rarely use now(I use MySQLCC and MySQL Administrator now!).

[dreamer]

I c. i like the look of MySQL Administrator. looks much for user friendly! thanks for telling me about it!

BTW, is MySQL Administrator like myPHPadmin? As in with myphpadmin it is installed on the server which holds the database? Or with MYSQL ADMIN can you connect to a database from outside the server?

Do you have a sample web application that i can view? Is it like premade OR is it fully customised specifically for one client?

[comicGeek]

For MySQL Administrator I think you have to be no the server physically since it is a standalone program! CMS I made is fully customised for the client I don't use premade ones since it is very difficult to customise it. I usually start from scrap! www.excelreviewcenter.com/admin www.olmosphoto.com/cms <-- but you can't get in!

[dreamer]

really, thats very good. and only from 500 / 600? thats a pretty good price. How much do you charge to create like custom apllications from php, mysql and flash? like forums etc. Professional but.

[GustavoKuerten]

Hey comicGeek, your sites are really cool, i can see there is a lot of hard work put in to them.

Oh yeah, Kit you make me laugh!

[comicGeek]

$500/600 does not include full CMS it is only for Flash site with a News Blogger with news admin. For custom application I charge depending on the scale of the app. Recently, charged $300 for a custom Dynamic Flash Photo Gallery this is including all the source files.

[comicGeek]

And of for www.olmosphoto.com including the CMS I charged $950.

[Radiance]

I could design a site like that Olm thing, but i never seem to find the right opportunities, like clients, web design buisness jobs etc... :(

[Suiside360]

I'd say your site designs are nicely done to a certain degree. They are definately worth more than $500/$600. I've been paid $1500 for flash intro's alone. I've seen the most god awful crap in the world go for $2500. And i'm talkin 10 page static html crap where the only thing dynamic is a few roll overs.

I really think you should reconsider charging so little. Everyonoe who hires you is pretty much raping your wallet.

[comicGeek]

I know what you mean Suiside360! 500/600 is only the basic design package. 6 pages non-dynamic. I could charge well over 1000 but I would have to give out reciepts and invoices. I would need to be registered to SEC. I am only a freelancer and it's too much expense if I go for a registration. I am planning it though. But until I have enough money and if clients keep coming, I'll have to settle for the current prices. If a client wants a dynamic website in Flash with administration, then I would charge them higher rates!

[CanadianGuy]

Yea ComicGeek you are getting raped. Your skills are worth so much more than you're charging.

I don't know where you live but in Canada it costs less than $100 to register a business and get your tax numbers.

[Prophet]

ive absolutely no experinience in this matter because im just startin out...
this content management system...
i was intending to generate one using a simple javascript page allowing for alteration of site content, formatting of it and instructions on how to change the image etc...
would that do?
im doing this site for free coz:
a) its me first 1!
b) i work ther!
but im doin it all in flash with minor tie ins (and potentially a HTML version) in dreamweaver and hav no idea wat so ever about php or my sql or ne of that... is this essential? or culd i just stick to creating my own javascript tools? (altho it will involve copying from a window and pasting into a text file and saving lol)

Prophet.

[mrE]

Do you think I should have charged less than $500 for making this site: http://orzelaviation.com ? I don't know mySQL, PHP, AS, or XML. only HTML and a little flash animation. Heh.

Well i didn't really know what to charge them... but they offered anywhere between $300-$700... so I picked the median.

[Suiside360]

I've seen people pay $2500 for a site like that chief. But in all honesty. I could pump out a site like that in 3 - 5 hours without prelim. Not to say the site looks bad. It's just very simple. I charge $35 an hour for free lance. If i had to quote a site like that I'd say $400 which includes prelim time and go down from there since it's so basic. Now if you were doing a site like comicgeeks work i'd say quote them for about $1500 and work your way up or down from there, depending on what they want and/or don't want.

[mrE]

I have no idea how rates for websites and/or graphics should be.
show me the ropes.

[Digitalosophy]

Do you think I should have charged less than $500 for making this site: http://orzelaviation.com ? I don't know mySQL, PHP, AS, or XML. only HTML and a little flash animation. Heh.

Well i didn't really know what to charge them... but they offered anywhere between $300-$700... so I picked the median.

take what they offered =)

[Jamie Barton]

Its all about the time and effort and what you had to do mates.

I charged $250 for a site which was fairly simple, but i spent weeks thinking of the design and about a month creating it and adding content, which the content was my own and i had to get all the images myself.

Fair enough if you're client gives you the content and images to put on, then drop the price, but for me, them sites are too simple and i think the client would have gave you some sort of idea and content to put into once complete.


Regards
Jamie

[Jamie Barton]

Plus, its got some good coding put into that and how long did the coding take?

Its worth every penny if you spent hard hours working on the coding/scripting, graphics and animations (if there is).

Looking through the site and i see its pretty good layout, looks professional and colours match too.
How about some flash in that, maybe show your client what you're really made of and they will refer you to their customers etc..

Its a good industry to get into and you're designs are cool, keep it up and you're heading the right way :)


Regards
Jamie

[benjamin77]

If you can design inexpensively

type "flash web design" into google

my site is number 2 out of 5 million

I get people asking about flash sites all the time , but I live in NY USA I cannot compete price wise, with other people

And I make more per hour doing marketing , as much as I like doing flash, I need to find someone to do some of it for me

But I need someone who is as good if not better then me

and you are

You have to be patient and be able to deal clients who want multiple revisions

and cheap enough so I can compete price wise with people world wide

[comicGeek]

Hello guys, just want to inform you that I have updated my first post. Please check it out! Thanks!:goatee: