Xiaoxiao fan here? :)

[MTsoul]

Dont you just love those sticks?

unofficial page of xiaoxiao (http://www.betablue.net)

what program does he use anyway? the sticks look so realistic.

[MTsoul]

*not that i'm trying to be bad or anything..*

here's a game of what i imported into flash with the swfs: clicky (http://www.skillzers.com/games/viewgame.php?id=1)

they are all shapes..cant be as..swift 3d?

[MTsoul]

okay, look at this game first: click here (http://www.skillzers.com/games/viewgame.php?id=1)

look familiar? i imported the xiaoxiao swf's into flash, and made the game - so the actions must not have been made by actionscript.

I just dont get what program he uses..because the the actions seem isometric*...not a perspective view (everything, either close or far away, are the same size)

[MTsoul]

normally, i would go 'BOOOOOO' because i dont get what you are saying.
but in this case, i still think it's not actionscript. I can import the actions into flash, so each frame has the actions and it comes out as a movie. Therefore, i think it's not actionscript.

[Marz]

Well... This can go either way guys... To tell you the truth.. he could have very well used a great amount of ActionScripting.. or he could have easily just made a good amount of those sticks in say.. A 3d progrm.. or Flash itself.. and just made sure that eah line was done very smoothly...

And MT.. he most likely just used Flash and that was it.. There really isn't a need to make stick figures in another program... Just make out a good layout grid and then create thousands of stickies.. Move em how you want and do it that way...

I'm guessing that some of the stuff in there is done by Actionscript though... Remember, AS can be done inside of .swf's.. So when you link to them.. there is a chnace it has embedded AS along with it... My best and most logical guess would be a combination of the two.. AS for alot of the fluent movement... But at the same time.. Hidden .swf's for some of the things.. :)

[Mik3]

Anyone a searchsearch fan?

:P

I love xioxioa or xioaxaioa... yeh that guy's cool.

[Phat7]

I would go for AS-free idea Marz... I don't get where in those cartoons AS would be used for. He's just another good artist guy who has drawn it all in flash (plus stick figures are way easier to draw than more lifelika cartoon characters y'know ;)) and with the help of tweening in flash you don't have to draw all the scenes frame by frame. ;) That's my idea.

[Marz]

Yeah... But just think about how LOOONG that would take...

There are benefits to using AS inside of a dtickfigure program.. it was one of the first things I learned how to do in Computer Programming class back in 8th grade... How to make a stick figure walk across the screen and walk back...

It took up only a little bit of code... And it looked awesome..

But.. You might be right... that's why I just threw in the "possibility" of it being either way ;).. basically t cover my own ***.. *lmao*

[thoriphes]

Actionscript? I highly doubt it. Is there something wrong with thinking it's just frame-by-frame animation? Think of the cartoons you watch...

[Marz]

I wouldn' t theoretically say your wrong just yet Philbert my boy... We still don't know.. None of us do.. Until we ask the author.. therefore.. e all may be wrong.. he might have used a Movie editting program for all we know and then imported into the Flash for ****s and giggles *lol*....

But.. Frame by Frame animation is great.. Unitl you get into let's see... How long are his/her movies? Something like.. 4 minutes... well Let's say 4 minutes...

Going at probably at the LEAST 30 fps... because the graphics are **** sweet and smooth.. 30 * 60 seconds would be 180 frames per minute * 4 would be around 720 frames per a 4 minute movie... I don't know too many people on this board or period who would have the patience to do that... To I think he has.. 9 movies now?!? *lol*... and 'm guessing his FPS is alot greater.. probably around 45 or 50... To enable the quality to be alot better... and I remember a certain movie having an incredible amount of time put into it...

Not saying it isn't possible.. Just trying to look at all sides of this thing o see what solution we might be able to draw up :D

[Phat7]

Well his one where you get to play the shooter game, that definitely has AS :P

[Marz]

Yeah.. the shooter game.. Plus the game where you can go fight stick figures.... So.. if he's already made the AS to allow the stick figures to move like that..... What could have stopped him from doing that before? ;)

:D

[thoriphes]

Originally posted by Marz
I wouldn' t theoretically say your wrong just yet Philbert my boy... We still don't know.. None of us do.. Until we ask the author.. therefore.. e all may be wrong.. he might have used a Movie editting program for all we know and then imported into the Flash for ****s and giggles *lol*....

But.. Frame by Frame animation is great.. Unitl you get into let's see... How long are his/her movies? Something like.. 4 minutes... well Let's say 4 minutes...

Going at probably at the LEAST 30 fps... because the graphics are **** sweet and smooth.. 30 * 60 seconds would be 180 frames per minute * 4 would be around 720 frames per a 4 minute movie... I don't know too many people on this board or period who would have the patience to do that... To I think he has.. 9 movies now?!? *lol*... and 'm guessing his FPS is alot greater.. probably around 45 or 50... To enable the quality to be alot better... and I remember a certain movie having an incredible amount of time put into it...

Not saying it isn't possible.. Just trying to look at all sides of this thing o see what solution we might be able to draw up :D alright, i'll accept that, but say he did use AS, would you also have the patience to play the movie over and over again, as well as tweaking the code that goes along with it? here's how we can tell.....someone go grab the original .swf of that first xiaoxiao and look at the file size. If it's AS, then it's size would be pretty small. If the size of the file is 100+kb, then I rest my case =)

(alright, so apparently, there's music in the background)

[thoriphes]

The original file size is 1,431,718 Bytes and can be found here:

www.xiaoxiaomovie.com

[APDesign]

I'll bet anyone that its using all frame by frame (the fighting anyway) I don't see how AS would even apply to stick figure animation.

And Marz... you had programming in 8th grade??!?! Where are these schools, and WHY THE HECK WANST I IN ANY OF THEM!!! I was in BASIC (QBASIC) programming freshman in high school, then I had to take an "Independant Studies" C++ course for sophmore year, and that was all the programming available to me for my entire school "career."

[thoriphes]

I don't even think this guy used tweening; everything is real smooth, as you mentioned, but there are way too many things to take into account if it were done in AS. I would admit that xiaoxiao3 may have used some AS, but only for that last part where he goes matrix on the boss.

Plus, doing frame by frame animation isn't so hard in Flash:
When you create a frame, all you need to do is hit F6 to create a new keyframe, which copies everything from the previous frame over, exactly. Plus it's all visual; with code, you're blindly animating when you're typing out your code, only until you actually preview the movie will you be able to see if what you're making actually came out alright.

[Ranoka]

When people start talking about animating with actionscript, I don't really get how that could relate to character animation. Are there any tutorials or something that could help me grasp this concept.

[λ]

Originally posted by Marz
I wouldn' t theoretically say your wrong just yet Philbert my boy... We still don't know.. None of us do.. Until we ask the author.. therefore.. e all may be wrong.. he might have used a Movie editting program for all we know and then imported into the Flash for ****s and giggles *lol*....

But.. Frame by Frame animation is great.. Unitl you get into let's see... How long are his/her movies? Something like.. 4 minutes... well Let's say 4 minutes...

Going at probably at the LEAST 30 fps... because the graphics are **** sweet and smooth.. 30 * 60 seconds would be 180 frames per minute * 4 would be around 720 frames per a 4 minute movie... I don't know too many people on this board or period who would have the patience to do that... To I think he has.. 9 movies now?!? *lol*... and 'm guessing his FPS is alot greater.. probably around 45 or 50... To enable the quality to be alot better... and I remember a certain movie having an incredible amount of time put into it...

Not saying it isn't possible.. Just trying to look at all sides of this thing o see what solution we might be able to draw up :D

Actually, 30*60 = 1800

7200 frames would take a LOONG time to draw ;)

[Marz]

*lmao*... Thanks NJS.. I thought 720 frames sounded too small.. and it was... stupid brain was only half working when I was typing that up last night...


And Marz... you had programming in 8th grade??!?! Where are these schools, and WHY THE HECK WANST I IN ANY OF THEM!!! I was in BASIC (QBASIC) programming freshman in high school, then I had to take an "Independant Studies" C++ course for sophmore year, and that was all the programming available to me for my entire school "career."

Well... lemme reiterate this... "I" had programming class in eighth grade.. I told principal and guidance counselors that I wanted to take it... And they looked at my grades at the time and were like.. Are you sure? I was like.. Hell yeah I'm sure!

So.. They left me take it.. It was a small course on C++... Very cool teacher though... Ended up taking that course the next 4 years as well.. Me and the teacher basically would go over some cool things and try new things..

Unfortunately, they didn't offer any graphic design courses.. As you can tell from my lack of designer skills... *lmao*.. :D

I'll show you guys some examples of programming made stickmen and animations when I gte into the office later on. :)

[MTsoul]

BOOO


Well, i guess some AS included in the swfs...i emailed him..too bad he cant read English lol :pa: :asleep: