Processing ( proce55ing ) Something to watch for. A threat to Flash?

[senocular]

Processing:


Processing is a context for exploring the emerging conceptual space enabled by electronic media. It is an environment for learning the fundamentals of computer programming within the context of the electronic arts and it is an electronic sketchbook for developing ideas.

The software is currently in a prerelease stage, but bug fixes are being made as we head toward a more complete "1.0" release. Processing will be free to download and available for Mac, PC, and Linux.
http://www.proce55ing.net/index.html

more info
http://www.proce55ing.net/definition.html


Basically its an easy implementation of Java. Its based in visuals and primarily in 3D (well I guess 2D and 3D but the 3D is there and with any 3D you need atleast the 1D and the 2D to get that far ;)).

a nifty example of a folding K
http://www.proce55ing.net/learning/examples/custom_letter.html

A threat to Flash? Wired magazine (http://www.wired.com/wired/) made it seem that way in its small blurb about Processing in its latest (sept) issue. It IS Java though. The Java pluggin for browsers is still pretty bulky, and though faster in regards to processing speeds when compared to Flash, the user interface just isnt there in the authoring environment. Processing (this application) seems, at least at this point, just an easier environment for programming Java with new easier, more intuitive methods whereas Flash is focused on both programmers and developers providing a fully featured authoring environment that seems to completely beat anything Processing has to offer now (which is pretty much completely code based). Still, it seems to be quite an interesting project and great for learning visual-based programming and other introductory programming concepts and a good way to more easily create some spiffy Java Applets.

[SureShot]

Great info - thanks Sen.

I think the article is right, flash is just too much easier to use and develp for compared to that of Java that I dont think you will see it take over. Unless of course they come up with a way for the everyday web develpoer to harness the power of it the same way Macromedia has done with flash.

[kirupa]

Looks pretty nice! I read about it in the latest issue of Wired also, and I agree with what Sureshot said - unless it becomes easy to use as Flash, it probably won't get too many followers.

The best thing about the animations in Java is that they don't lag the system on complex scenes. The coding doesn't seem too complex though :)

EDIT: A really cool zip code program I found in Ben Fry's presentation: http://acg.media.mit.edu/people/fry/ex/vp8/5.html The URL for his presentation is: http://acg.media.mit.edu/people/fry/ex/vp8/

[lostinbeta]

Yes, I heard about proce55ing from bit-101 a while back when he started to work in Java. It definitely sparked my interest and I want to try and learn (or at least play around with) it in the future, but right now I got too many languages that I am trying to learn (AS, PHP/mySQL, more Javascript)

[SureShot]

Lost - your footer is pretty freakin' funny :)

"In other news... Go suck on an egg."

hahaha :)

[thoriphes]

this processing thing is definitely something to look out for. just more languages for me to play with ;)

[lostinbeta]

SureShot: Hehe thanks... it's true too, since my announcement I haven't answered any preloader questions... I may read them, but that's about it.... ok i don't want to get off subject.

Thor: Since you know Java already, you shouldn't have too much trouble getting into this, I would love to see some things you create. But I uhhh... said that to you before.

[SureShot]

I think it's time to see some experements from both Lost and Thor - this could be cool :)

[m_andrews808]

Yeah I'd agree with Kirupa, looks like it handles the graphics more speedily than Flash does, that coupled with what'll probably be much speedier code execution than dog-slow actionscript could yeald some really impressive results

[Johnny64]

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Hoi mark!?!
Small world!!
you can run but you can't hide:bad:
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[thoriphes]

This is definitely the language I have been waiting for all these years. I have tested and tried to overcome the limits of Actionscript and I can say that i'm pretty upset. I know Flash isn't meant for heavy experiments and such, but rather web content in which Actionscript is merely complement to it.

looking at these experiments:

http://www.proce55ing.net/software/index.html

it seems the CPU can handle pretty well with this language.
I may drop actionscript completely and head in this direction.

I can't wait.

[m_andrews808]

ello m64!

long time no see, how ya doin?! is ex-ess chat still going strong?

loving your footer by the way, did you use php for the highscores?

:P

[Johnny64]

long time no see, how ya doin?! is ex-ess chat still going strong?

no to really its very quiet :(


loving your footer by the way, did you use php for the highscores?

yeah php ;)

sorry about the off topic :P

[pom]

Wasn't the new Flash Player supposed to be a lot faster than the current one? :-\

[senocular]

yes, it is, but it still can't touch Java ;)

[m_andrews808]

you mean from v5 to v6? there were some improvements made all round, and some big improvements made in certain areas like xml parseing as I remember, but overall its still slooooow, a simple loop in javascript will run thousands of times faster than the same in actionscript.

[senocular]

6 to 7
http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashplayer/public_beta/

[Whippersnapper]

I spent a whole hour looking at this stuff thanks for the time killing. It looks to be a pretty sweet option.

[pom]

Well, off course not, but it's still something :beam:
And I don't think it will be a threat to Flash in the near future. A few programmers here and there will surely try their hands at that new tool (traitors!!) but that's it :)

[BadMagick]

A threat? No way ... Flash is so entrenched in the life of web diesgn (not just ANIMATION like this Processing looks like) that it's not going anywhere anytime soon ... except up!

Flash is working on making it easier for database integration too! I just don't see how Flash has any threats right now.

Flash is the future of web design, and not just because it's something nice to look at.

[senocular]

yeah I think its intention is to provide a fairly easy introductory programming environment for education, not to be a mainstream content authoring contender. There might be a small surge of processing-based applets on the net but I dont think it would be too much beyond a "look what I learned how to make" kind of thing.

[senocular]

btw, heres the online version of the blurb
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/play.html?pg=6

[lostinbeta]

Yeah I have to agree, this may be more powerful than Flash, but I can't see it being much more than a "look what I learned how to make" thing like Sen said. Afterall, I think I would hate to see a site made 100% in Java... that would probably melt my system, and explode my monitor hehe.

I can't wait until they release v1 of this... I think I will get it right away (but won't switch from AS to this... I still enjoy AS)

[senocular]

it would also probably be a good step in going into Java from AS... I would think.

[BadMagick]

I agree with the last few posts here ... I think it'll be a "look what I can do" type of technology. I don't think it's a serious threat to the web community. Maybe a good developer tool, but Flash has it's own (better) uses.

If I had to invest my money on which technolgy will be used more ... I'd throw my life savings into Flash, that's how sure I am

Well ... maybe I'll keep enough for a new pair of sneakers or something :)

[RelandR]

Yup...methinks as above stated (and as very much stated in the linked site).. this is an educational/exercise tool rather than anything commercial..

probably more like going to the gym to work out as opposed to 'working out' in the real world kind of analogy....
this could be a real good bowflex for ppl needing to tune up their scripting skills in general and then transfer that new abstract strength into being better actionScripters

Flash has too many visual wonderments to get lost behind a dry, "code-only" environment

....droids :cyborg: and simulants :nerd: will prolly wet themselves tho .....
;)

[noxious]

flash may not have that speed but it has all the looks! :beam:

[kirupa]

Just downloaded it, and this program seems really cool! (-:

[m_andrews808]

hey rup's digging up a bit of an old post int ya? where'd you download it from? I just went to the d/l page and it said 'in the future this is where you'll be able to d/l it from'

[kirupa]

You just have to put your e-mail address here: http://www.proce55ing.net/download/index.html and they send you an e-mail about the download location (-:

[pom]

http://levitated.net/p5/chamber/index.html :stunned:

[Johnny64]

Originally posted by kirupa
You just have to put your e-mail address here: http://www.proce55ing.net/download/index.html and they send you an e-mail about the download location (-:
I got it :}

and here is my first thing i made with P55 :D
http://www.master64.nl/P55/space/applet/


This is cool stuff :thumb:
http://db-db.com/snow/
i want to made that too but don't have a WebCam :(

[kirupa]

Wow - that is pretty cool! I haven't had enough to mess with it a whole lot. I created a few animations that were nothing more than a big horizontal line moving down. Hopefully I'll create something better soon, but there are other things that need to be done on the site first (-:

[lostinbeta]

I made a few nifty 3d things, but that was in an older version, so when they released a newer one, they didn't work anymore :-\

Bah, I have to get back into it, see if I can recreate them.

[mdipi]

http://www.bit-101.com/p5/ bit-101

[kirupa]

Wow - bit is pretty awesome :P

[Marz]

Bah.. Forget this.. Too long to load even on a DSL.. Psssh... And by the looks of the speed I think Flash could handle it even better ;) Now at least.. :D

This is funny as an old post though.

[mdipi]

kirupa, bit does everything, Java, AS, processing, i think he does some C++ right? the manis a monster! lol.

playa, i dled it in like 30secs on my wifi...then agian my wired cable connection is like 3 or 4 mbps blazin!

[lostinbeta]

Playa: Java can handle a lot more than Flash can, but unfortunately what comes with that is a large plugin, and the plugin is what is taking long to start up. Give it a few and it should come up, then the others should load quicker since the plugin was recently started.

[mdipi]

wow i have fallen in love with this...i :love: proce55ing