Another how much would a site like this cost

[blah-de-blah]

Just wonderin how much a site like this would cost, with less content, but some flash tweens and navigation ?? thankks cause i have no clue!! i have looked around but i want a more correct value just incase...i don't wanna get ripped off :P

http://www.dynamicclosures.com

Thats the site thanks!

[NaliWarCow]

Not much I don't think. All I see is html, I don't see any flash. Other than the logo, it appears it would be fairly easy to make.

[blah-de-blah]

Yah i agree it would be fairly easy! But in the one i am going to make, it will be similiar but i will add some flash navigation bar and loading stuff...But it will also be mainly HTML. ok thanks ......i would be happier if you could give me a value though :P

[Jubba]

well I will be crusified if I say low, but something like that, if its only static HTML with no backend scripting, and very little flash, I would say anywhere from 200-500 depending on your skill level. of course, charging by the hour is always the best way to go, but sometimes thats not possible.

[SureShot]

I would charge around a grand even for that site...

[Jubba]

It also depends on who the client is. If its a small Mom&Pop store, then charging a grand might not be possible (or ethical), if its a larger company, then of course the price goes up...

[blah-de-blah]

wow sureshot you must earn a lot of money :P

and thanks jubba i'll keep those in mind :)

[Digitalosophy]

yea i agree, it depends on who your selling hte site too, and chaging by the hour always works best for me. with that said i' say anywhere from 250-500. i mean you could charge more but thats a poorly designed site if you ask me

[Jubba]

bingo ;)

[blah-de-blah]

Originally posted by Jubba
bingo ;)

Agreed :thumb: The site does look ugly, but it had the same content i have to make so y'know :)

[SureShot]

first of all, minus the backgrounds, this site isnt that bad. It needs a border around the main image and the main image should stay the same size all the way through - but other than that it's not too bad. I mean it's mostly text, and that's not the developers fault.

As for my estimate, that would be if the compnay was established, that's for sure. If it was just a small little business than probably like 5-600 is more the range.

[eilsoe]

oh.. that background...


ick...

[DigitalPimp]

I'd charge between 1500-2000$.

[sintax321]

I will give them $10 jsut to change that background image:crazy:

not much at all looks like maybe a days work. 200-500 is about right.

[Coppertop]

Pimp, just wondering, but how many clients do you get?

[Digitalosophy]

Originally posted by DigitalPimp
I'd charge between 1500-2000$.

your crazy. i guess if you get lucky and you are able to "rape" a company, but i personally would be embarrassed(woah) to ask that figure for a site like that.

it's my experience that you will only get that kind of money for something so plain if your dealing with a company like where i work. they only care if it works. they have no worries about design or server side code. any company that has half a clue will laugh at you if you ask 1500-2000 for a site lke that. there are millions of web designers, why would they pay you that much? i know i wouldn't

[UNFLUX]

you guys don't value your time then, do you? :sigh:

My prices would normally start at a minimum of $75/hr x 40hrs = $3000.
As a professional web designer, you need to be firm with
your prices and firm with the delivery of your skills and your
product.

On a more freelancer level, I wouldn't do this type of site for less
than $1200 because it still wouldn't be worth my time.

I always tell my prospective clients, that they can easily get their
site done by someone else and much cheaper, but they're never
going to get the quality of work at my price.

This is where I took a page out of 2a's book. They don't work
with every single person that comes along and wants a web site
done, and I don't either. I weigh out the project, figure out my
estimated costs for UNFLUX to do the job, then I decide whether I
even want to do the work or not.

You've gotta know your scope, or your focus to the work. If you
just want to take on every project that comes your way, there's
not much satisfaction, or $$$ in that pjilosophy. I know that,
because I've done it.

I can't do this job, or have a business, and work just to work. I
want to enjoy it, so I think hand-picking my clients is the way to do that.

For instance, I have a client that I did work for a few months ago,
is now coming back to me with a new project. He wants me to
develop a full site from scratch, with dynamic content and a
database to manage searches. The original proposal I gave him
was for $15,000 and I don't think I'm gonna do it because this
guy's a major pain in the ***.

"Aim high, you'll hit high."
"You miss 100% of the chances you don't take."

[Jubba]

Not everyone has the skill level or the portfolio to back up their skils like you do tho. For someone just starting out, with no prior sites to show, can't just say "Oh yeah, give me $3000, and I'll give you what you want."

[turkey]

You wouldn't want to know what people would say if I asked for that much... But you have great work and can back that price up. Just because others don't charge as much, however, doesn't mean that they don't value their time.

[Digitalosophy]

Unflux:

You are giving information that will only hurt up and coming designers. I respect your opinion but i feel you are wrong. Let me explain.

I graduated college last August. As we all know the job market is terrible. I was doing data entry for about $10 an hour. In my spare time I did freelance work for small businesses. All of my clients were cheapo's. They weren't making much money so they couldn't afford a $1000 websites. So i did them really cheap, $300-$500 each. At the end I said to myself, "**** this wasn't worth my time". And it wasn't. However becasue of those jobs I am now a contracting web master for the NYC District Army Corps of Engineers. No more $10 an hour data entry job. All because I sucked up my pride and did jobs that would help my career, even though I got ripped off. Please don't think I am trying to say how cool I am, becuase I am not. I got lucky and took advantage of it.

With that said, sometimes doing jobs where your not recieving the correct amount could be helpful, even though it doesn't look like that now. Also how are you ever going to learn "Real World" web development if you don't start out small. You have a great portfolio, you are in your career. Therefor you can charge whatever you'd like, and I'm happy for you. But to get where you are is a bumpy rode and if you let your pride get in the way you will never become nothing. The more you can get for a site then the better. But what I'm saying is if your a hungry developer take what you can get, you neevr knwo when it will pay off.

Also I knda take this line offensivly
you guys don't value your time then, do you? . I do value my time, very much indeed. I'm just not at the stage I want to be yet, so until then I'll do whatever I have to, just to get there.

[DigitalPimp]

Originally posted by Coppertop
Pimp, just wondering, but how many clients do you get?

I am with unflux.. I have a very extensive portfolio and I charge at least 50$/hour and to make it worth my time I have to charge that much. I already have a full-time job and hardly have time to do any design but I get offers to do projects ALL THE TIME!! Literally, I'm always turning people down.

[UNFLUX]

Thanks for the support DigitalPimp.

well, let me explain this much. I didn't mean the comment to be
smart-alleck or anything. I just wanted you guys to think about
|your time a little more in terms of value. Why work for $25/hr
when you could get $$50?? That's all i meant by that.

I started out just like you described. I took any and every job I
could, just to make the ca$h. However, by the 3rd or 4th job I
took, I realized it wasn't worth my time, regardless of the
potential for more work.

At that point I pushed my prices, doubled them actually, and still
got the same types and number of jobs. What you are telling the
potential client is that your work is worth their $. Even if they say
and think they can't afford it. If that business wants a good
quality web site, then they will pay for it because you were able
to justify to them your skills, your company, your design, and
spending of their $$ on you.

I don't have an extensive portfolio, but I know I can do the work.
So, I sell it that way.

I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do, I'm just saying what it is
that I do. I tell the people that sell for me the same thing, and it
works. You don't have to take my advice or my suggestions.

But, I know this is good business and good selling, and it's
clearly made UNFLUX and myself better. That alone is proof
enough IMO.

Digitalosophy - good for you and congratulations on that success!
I'm not knocking anyone on this subject, but sometimes letting
yourself gain confidence is key. If I never tried to charge more,
than I would never have made that $$.

[Kitiara]

You have a point in that you should always ask for what you and your time are worth. Especially if you are a very experienced designer and developer, and have got a portfolio to back you up.

But it's also true that when you start out, you can't get away with charging what you think you're worth. Bigger companies who are able and willing to pay more won't take on people who haven't got a long list of sites behind them. So sometimes you just have to knuckle down and get those first sites, even if it's smaller clients who can't pay you what you really ought to be getting.

Once you've got those sites made to the best of your ability, then you can use them as leverage to display your talent and get the proper money.

[DigitalPimp]

I've also done that...

The first web site I made, I charged 25$, I now charge way more than that per hour.

Also, I compare what I charge to the local design firm. They on average bill 100$/hour for design work.

I once had a customer (in Real Estate) who wanted a pretty simple site but had an ASP backend and stuff. I gave her a rough quote of 3,000$. She about crapped herself because she hadn't ever been quoted anything like that before. I then explained to her that if she were to sell 1 house off there that say sold for 200,000$ then she would had just paid for the web site and then some... She then realized it wasn't that big of an expense.

It is always a good idea to rationalize and explain how a client will receive revune from a site.

[UNFLUX]

sometimes, you have to be a salesman to sell. good stuff man ;)

[MxNecromancer]

COST? you gotta be kidding me?! if you know flash and you make the site by hand using flash and dreamweaver then that's it. FREE. the only thing i see that whould cost you money is Vbulletin.

[Jubba]

he is asking so he can quote a price to build for someone else..

he doesn't want the site, he wants to make the site for someone and charge them...

:sigh:

[blah-de-blah]

yeep :) I understand both your arguments but since i am just starting out i will start small just like you have suggested. thaanks!

[radicaljugnu]

You'd get $1000 or 50000 Rs for this kind of site, pimp?

You'd be able to buy 3 P4 PCs for that much in India. Sheesh, you guys must be millionaires!

[Jasninder]

I agree wid uniflux and digitalpimp, i also have a nice portfolio, clients like Government of india and National Crime Records bureau and corporates like samsung and wat not, we are not price takers anymore, yea there was a phase and everyone has to see that phase through, tough times as u guys call it in americaneze:p j/k

So it really depends on the stage where u r, if u have a reputation and name u ll get work and price u want,but if u wana make a name for urself, may be u have to even do a website or 2 for free, hey i did that... so i d' say know urself, know ur grip on the market, adjust ur prices according to the clients and jugnu" shakal dekh te thappad martey hai and u can b a millionaire too:P"

btw "shakal dekh te thappad martey hai " means u judge the clients ability to pay first, judge how much u can choke out of him/her(sply, in my case they are always her:P) and then quote your price or just go by the time method mentioned above by uniflux, i like tht.=)

and yea jugnu(wich means firefly, incase u guys dont kno wat it means) is right hardware is really very cheap in india.Sply Delhi =)

[DigitalPimp]

Originally posted by jugnu
You'd get $1000 or 50000 Rs for this kind of site, pimp?

You'd be able to buy 3 P4 PCs for that much in India. Sheesh, you guys must be millionaires!

A $1,000 will buy me a cheap P4 in America. I'm selling my P4 1.8 Alienware for like $700.

[BigSilly]

Let me ask you guys - i just started getting into website design - what program(s) would one use to make this site? Dreamweaver? Flash? Both? Neither?

I have been messing around with both and was wondering if i could make a similar site with these 2 programs.

Thanks for any responses! :)

[DigitalPimp]

I personally use HomeSite5 which used to be owned by Allaire but was recently bought out by Macromedia. I prefer HomeSite over Dreamweaver but they have similar features, HomeSite is just a bit more powerful to me.

I also use Flash MX to do client-side interactive content and Photoshop 6 & Paint Shop Pro 7 for my static graphics.

If you want a good program for CSS then go get Top Style 3 made by Bradbury, it is an incredible program. You can download the demo for free.