Is Kirupa MS "biased"?

[Danko]

Hi,

Every now and then I pop up to Kirupa site in hope there is finally a Flex forum in existance.

Unfortunatelly there isn't one - but there is one for MS Silverlight, in spite of that Flex is older and more used technology with some concrete apps (http://www.splashup.com/splashup/) developed. People are then forced to post Flex topics into a Flash forums, using [tags] to differentiate between Flex and Flash Studio topics.

So, it makes me think that Kirupa forgot about it's Flash _roots and sold himself to Microsoft ;-)

[Templarian]

No members have written a tutorial for Flex as of yet. Kirupa has said it a thousand times there has to be valid tutorials for there to be a forum (a simple search would have shown this).

My suggestion write a few well written tutorials on flex specific topics and submit them to Kirupa.

Also Kirupa is a MS developer so its only inherent that he writes what he knows best... I don't think he really even uses Flash very much anymore, except when he wrote that tutorial about some of the new features.

Search Results:
http://www.kirupa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=289365
http://www.kirupa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=276516

[kirupa]

On the home page I see 3 Flash and 3 SL-based tutorials that were added recently. Sounds really biased to me.

I have no interest in fragmenting the site by covering new topics that are less designer focused and more for developers. If you want to submit a tutorial, make sure it is Flash CS4 or Expression Blend (WPF / SL) related. Otherwise, I will more than likely turn it down.

:nerd:

[Danko]

I was just too sentimental about the site where I learned my first Flash steps. :cry3:
I think it's natural to switch from Flash Studio to Flex Builder in the some point of time.
Never mind...


less designer focused and more for developers
I didn't quite understand this, since Silverlight and Flex are equally developer focused (Silverlight is at least "inspired" by Flex).

[kirupa]

Silverlight is a runtime - it really doesn't have a focus :P

This site focuses on the apps used to create content for the runtimes - Flash, Silverlight, WPF. I put Flex Builder and Visual Studio in the developer corner, and I put Expression Blend and Flash CS4 into a more designer corner.

The content on this site revolves around using Flash or Blend to create Flash or SL/WPF content.

[Jeff Wheeler]

Honestly, what does it even matter if it is MS biased? He works at MS, and has every right to focus on that content. :P

[Danko]

Honestly, what does it even matter if it is MS biased? He works at MS, and has every right to focus on that content. :P

I knew it.. :beer2:

Someone said:

It’s hard to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.

btw I am the C# .NET developer, I use it on the server-side all the time - I love it!!
But honestly - every MS client side techology till now (classic forms&post backs... Atlas/MS Ajax) sucked when having a more complex project.

ps. I will install Expression Blend today or tomorrow and start working with it... :geek: However, I know that solutions that work cross-platform and cross-OS currently come from Adobe only (AIR). ;) So I think it's at least worth mentioning...

[Jeff Wheeler]

I find that Silverlight and related .NET stuff works extremely well cross-platform. Apps like Banshee (http://banshee-project.org/) are cross-platform (really, not like Flash and AIR which suck on Linux and Mac) and work wonderfully on every platform (alright, bad example: there’s not a Windows port at the moment, because of the underlying audio libraries, but it’s all C# stuff).

Mono is implementing a really nice open-source version of Silverlight (I forget its name), and Silverlight works great on Mac.

[Danko]

I find that Silverlight and related .NET stuff works extremely well cross-platform. Apps like Banshee (http://banshee-project.org/) are cross-platform (really, not like Flash and AIR which suck on Linux and Mac) and work wonderfully on every platform (alright, bad example: there’s not a Windows port at the moment, because of the underlying audio libraries, but it’s all C# stuff).

Mono is implementing a really nice open-source version of Silverlight (I forget its name), and Silverlight works great on Mac.
Hmm... I didn't know about AIR issues you mentioned.. ;( On PC it works great, and people at Adobe (as I can see on videos) use Mac OS as their primary OS.

btw considering Mono... We had an ASP.NET app that had to be ported to Linux.. We did it with Mono, but... there were huge problems with memory leaks.. So colleague had to rewrite it completely in PHP.. So, my (bad) experience tells me not to use .NET on Linux... Perhaps they fixed it though? Ugh, somehow I don't believe that Microsoft cares for any other OS but its own.. ?

[Jeff Wheeler]

Hmm... I didn't know about AIR issues you mentioned.. ;( On PC it works great, and people at Adobe (as I can see on videos) use Mac OS as their primary OS.

AIR on Linux is in beta, and it’s no question why. It’s a second-class citizen.


btw considering Mono... We had an ASP.NET app that had to be ported to Linux.. We did it with Mono, but... there were huge problems with memory leaks.. So colleague had to rewrite it completely in PHP.. So, my (bad) experience tells me not to use .NET on Linux... Perhaps they fixed it though? Ugh, somehow I don't believe that Microsoft cares for any other OS but its own.. ?

ASP.NET may be different from normal .NET apps, but there are many first-class C# apps that run in Mono’s runtime environment that can be ported from *nix to even OS X.

I can’t speak for your experiences, but if you rewrote it in PHP, it probably wasn’t intended to a normal GUI app in the first place. PHP is an odd replacement, if so.

[sekasi]

why would flash people move on to flex ? That makes no sense at all.

Either you have no idea what you're talking about, or you think you do, but you really don't.

Besides, this is a free site. Whenever you're not paying anything for a resource you got 0 whining rights.

[Templarian]

why would flash people move on to flex ? That makes no sense at all.
Because Flash is equivalent to hell from a development standpoint. :evil:

Plus no one here said people should be using Flex over Flash (unless I misread something). :goatee:

[Jeff Wheeler]

why would flash people move on to flex ? That makes no sense at all.

Either you have no idea what you're talking about, or you think you do, but you really don't.

Is this directed at me?

[sekasi]

I think I misread the OP about moving from the flash IDE to flex builder although I strongly prefer both FD and FDT to flex builder..

and no Jeff, it wasn't directed at you although I'm sure you have no idea what you're talking about either :P

[Jeff Wheeler]

and no Jeff, it wasn't directed at you

Phew! :lol:

[Danko]

I have no interest in fragmenting the site by covering new topics that are less designer focused and more for developers.

Sounds like a conflict of interest then:

kirupa.com - Shocked Resource for Making Designers better Developers!
:beam:

[kirupa]

"Conflict of Interest" is my middle name...s.

:P

[sebstence]

I think the answer is yes.

[Krilnon]

I don't understand why anyone would want to let Kirupa have any control over this site.

[Anogar]

I think I misread the OP about moving from the flash IDE to flex builder although I strongly prefer both FD and FDT to flex builder..

and no Jeff, it wasn't directed at you although I'm sure you have no idea what you're talking about either :P

You didn't misread it, he said:


I think it's natural to switch from Flash Studio to Flex Builder in the some point of time.
Never mind...

And I also disagree. Flex has some strong points, but ultimately there isn't much you can't accomplish with Flex that you couldn't have done with Flash + Flash Develop, or FDT, or something like that. Obviously no one uses the Flash IDE to code once they reach a certain point, but that doesn't mean the only (or best) option is to move to Flex Builder. I find Flex Builder to be sort of cumbersome, and for working with artists, which I'm always doing, I much prefer using the Flash IDE.

[ajcates]

I use notepad, so I think we should have a notepad forum.