FireFox 3, thoughts?

[sekasi]

I kinda like it so far. It's fairly responsive, albeit not quite as lightning fast as Opera 9.5.

Renders fine, and firebug is updated to work. I'm having some text issues when I write in certain textfields however (like this, where I can't see my cursor. Bit annoying to say the least..)

Also, when you type, the mouse goes into hiding permanently until you move it again. Don't quite see the point of that :)

[MTsoul]

It's fairly responsive, albeit not quite as lightning fast as Opera 9.5.

Q.E.D. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q.E.D.)

I thought the whole download day gimmick turned out a bit negatively. "Download day" was a great idea, but execution was very irresponsibly carried out. When was download day? June 17, announced 4 days before the actual date. How could you download on download day? You couldn't, because it started at 10am PST, and oh yeah, the multitude of server crashing.

I hate Firefox the application, but I would really like to see their market share grow higher. This download day event did not help at all IMO.

// edit. Oh yeah we are talking about Firefox 3 the app itself aren't we? :lol: In that case I have nothing positive or optimistic to say about it at all either. It's still bloated as hell. Until they multithread the app, it's going to hang like mad whenever you go to a new site and Firefox look ups DNS info IN THE SAME GOD DAMN THREAD AS THE GUI. JEESH what is this DOS?

[Templarian]

It handled my 40+ tabs that i have open when I started it up. Thats a good sign.

I love the look because it blends in with Vista more now. I'll post back when it crashes.

I like the little animation when I click links and it takes me to another tab the most probably so far nothing other than the look changed. which is good.

[fasterthanlight™]

I'll post back when it crashes. :lol:

trying it out now

[Syous]

Firebug is enabled which is great, but no fasterfox.

[sekasi]

Just noticed that flash content is behaving strangely .. especially flash content with glowfilters on :X

Might need to reinstall my flash plugin i guess.

[Stratification]

Been using it since about beta 2 I think. I love the newer autocomplete for the address bar. Being able to pull up a page by title, or a string anywhere in the URL is sweet.

[fasterthanlight™]

I hate how it has removed all but one bookmark from my bookmark toolbar

i also hate how the bookmark toolbar is taller than firefox 2's

GIMME back mah screen realestate!

[sekasi]

Can you guys try using the "advanced" editor here on kirupa forums and try navigate around with arrow keys and mouse?

Doesn't quite work for me :P

[fasterthanlight™]

works for me!

[sekasi]

really? like if you try to type 5 lines then try to remove the top one.

I can't do that in the advanced one. it won't let me navigate there :X

[fasterthanlight™]

This whole "google ad" crap in my address bar is going to piss me off VERY fast if thats what happens when you don't flush your history every now and then....

i start typing the first few letters of a website, and theres 5 google ad pages and THEN it displays the url i want to go to, and then MORE google ad pages after that.

ps. sekasi, i tried doing what you suggest to those paragraphs ^ but nothing happened

PC? or mac?

[sekasi]

Mac .. but I changed it in vb settings to "extra formatting" as default editor instead of the maxed out one and it works fine now.

I never format my text anyway :lol:

[Gundark]

Yeah, I can't use the advanced editor here either. I can type all I want but It will only delete from the end. I can't put the cursor in the middle or beginning and start typing either it's completely messed up.

Oh, and I'm on Windows XP.

[sekasi]

Could anyone with FF3 installed please check this out?

http://www.erikhallander.com/dev/as3/killcpu.html

Was working on that this morning and noticed that in FF3 the 'glow' doesn't show up like 1/5 times ? Thanks.

[fasterthanlight™]

when downloading a file and choosing "open with", it downloads, but then i get an error saying that there was an error and that i should do it myself ........ jerks

*edit: @sekasi: looks all blurry and glowy to me!

[Stratification]

Yeah, I keep forgetting to say something, but the advanced editor acts pretty weird for me too. I've been doing my post editing in IE 8.

[Anogar]

Yup, advanced editor is freakin' out for me too.

[Templarian]

I can't get the advanced editor to mess up... hmm...

NVM... yes I can.

*edit: @sekasi: looks all blurry and glowy to me [also]!

[Gundark]

Changing my settings to not use the full WYSIWYG editor made it work again.

I wonder what is up with that? I haven't seen anything about it anywhere else online.

[Esherido]

It seems to act exactly the same as the last release candidate. :|

[sekasi]

It seems to act exactly the same as the last release candidate. :|

Pretty much yeah..

Although to be honest, it hasn't hogged as much memory as it usually does on osx : )

[Esherido]

You're right, it doesn't seem to use as much memory. Even on Windows.

[Voetsjoeba]

Liking it so far, feels snappier than FF2 and the new UI is pretty neat. I'm also excited about the new "Awesome Bar", should help out a great deal in my plentiful moments of "what the hell was that site again?".

Can anyone confirm that the Remove All button in the password manager asks for confirmation now? I've had a bad experience with that in the past, and it's just baffling to me how FF2 does not ask you for confirmation before deleting all of your stored passwords. Hopefully they fixed that now.

[fasterthanlight™]

@voets: yup

http://www.maybe-tomorrows-ashes.com/xx_drop/ff3pass.png


Heh, my language settings were still messed up because of rc2, nothing a fresh install didn't cure..... bye bye bookmarks

http://www.maybe-tomorrows-ashes.com/xx_drop/ff3lang.jpg
http://www.maybe-tomorrows-ashes.com/xx_drop/ff3lan.png

[Voetsjoeba]

Haha, is that for real? That looks like dutch, but it's the most ridiculous and butchered dutch translation I've ever seen :P

(writing to you from the Quick Reply box since Advanced will not allow me to write in it)

[fasterthanlight™]

ok now my advanced reply doesn't work, gawdammit

I think its some south african thing

-- the language, that is

[Voetsjoeba]

Oh right, makes sense - south african is essentially butchered dutch. Still funny to read ^^

[fasterthanlight™]

Boekmerknutsbalk

:lol: Hahahahahaahhah - merk nuts

[sekasi]

Dutch never stops looking weird to me. I'm a Swede, speak fluent German and lived for almost a year in Amsterdam.. still looks really odd :lol:

[Theros]

I guess I should stick with FF2 for a little bit till they fix this issue. I like my "Go Advanced" feature :P

[fasterthanlight™]

Anyone notice the slightly different default font? looks..... taller...

[Theros]

Anyone notice the slightly different default font? looks..... taller...

The one thing that bothered me in the RCs on my laptop in Ubuntu was that when you increased the text sized...it zoomed instead of actually increasing the text size heh..

[fasterthanlight™]

Right-click > Save Image As

highlights the file extension as well -- contrary to the philosophy of Leopard


man.... i should switch to QA as my career

[sekasi]

Anyone notice the slightly different default font? looks..... taller...

Yep it's 0.2em taller.

[fasterthanlight™]

Thought so


I just submitted three bug reports to bugzilla,

1. Maximize button in OS X does not freaking work.
2. "Open With ... " when downloading does not freaking work.
3. "Save Page As" or "Save Image As" dialog box highlights the freaking file extension

[hl]

Has anyone tried zooming in/out? It's the only really useful new feature I've seen them implement.

[wiifanatic]

Works fine

http://www.grabup.com/uploads/05d8c82ef95658d5cf3b4c254f2665c6.png

[fasterthanlight™]

how do you do that?

os x has this built in, kind of a redundant feature for me

[Templarian]

^Its the normal <ctrl/command>+<+/-> now.

[fasterthanlight™]

This is going to solve a lot of headaches for jamie at work if the people testing stuff I build upgrade to FF3

[sekasi]

One thing I noticed that wasn't there in RC or 2 is that if you singleclick the location text, it selects everything.

On RC and ff2 I had to doubleclick to make that happen. I like it.

[fasterthanlight™]

I usually just Command-L (or ctrl-L) bypassing the mouse and automatically selecting the entire URL

double clicking always selected just the word you are clicking over

[Syous]

The zoom in thing is really really old, lol.

[fasterthanlight™]

is it? before, all those buttons did were increase the text-size ..

[Syous]

Oh schnap - i didn't realize it zooms everything.

[Templarian]

Okay I can't get it to crash so I feel it was a decent release (minus the whole advanced editor thing).

[lunatic]

what am I missing? I've reinstalled the flash player about 15 times and I'm still getting that annoying little puzzle piece for anything that requries the flash player. :hair:

[Templarian]

^Install it from adobe.com instead of the internal one... and restart your browser. Also flash should of never disappeared.

[lunatic]

I did. :( I downloaded it from Adobe's site and ran it and am still not seeing it. Very frustrating.

[sekasi]

Download the "remove all flash player versions" thing and run that first.

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/releasenotes.html#install

[lunatic]

Grrrr, still not working. WTF? Am I that stupid or could it be an IT/firewall/work computer issue? Usually I need admin privileges to install any new software but I was able to install the Flash player and FF 3 no problem . . .

[Templarian]

Yea... must be a security thing... odd I've never heard of flash being blocked by security things before. Does it work in IE/Safari/Opera?

[lunatic]

don't know, never used those things :P

hang on a sec and let me check . . .

. . . no it seems it isn't. Was working just fine before the FF3 install. :fight:

[sekasi]

If it's not working in any browser then the plugin is either corrupt or wasn't installed properly. Call your tech guy and buy him a bagel ; )

[lunatic]

unfortunately, they aren't totally on the ball :sigh: so I'll just have to live without for the moment. I'm sure they'll upgrade everyone at some point.

thanks for the help.

[sekasi]

Guys.. I've been noticing weirdness in hit areas in flash on FF3 (fp10)

Youtube especially the play/pause button acts really bizarre for me.

Anyone else got this?

edit (btw sorry about absolutely spamming this thread..); I uninstalled FP10 and reverted to 9.0.124 and that took away the problem so it's definitely something FF3/FP10 specific. Not sure if it's mac only tho..

[bobbyanderson]

Started using FF3 yesterday, can't say its going to make me switch over from Safari to be honest.

[fasterthanlight™]

I'm trying to switch *into* safari, but there are too, too many workflow-inhibiting factors that come into play.

For example,
I'm lazy and use my keyboard for most navigation, so like, I'll do a ctrl-F (command-f) to find a string that exists in the url i want to click, and then i press escape, and then enter and bingo, i've *clicked* the link. I've got it down to a fine science now, most of the time its quicker than using a mouse.

The escape-then-enter doesn't work in safari.

[Gundark]

I surprised at you Mac guys, I'd have figured you'd have taken Opera over Safari. I've never had anything but bad experiences with Safari. I guess it comes with the Mac (like Internet Explorer and Windows), but it just doesn't have the features that Firefox or Opera has.

Opera works pretty well, but I really like having all the extension options that Firefox has.

[Syous]

I've tried firefox safari and opera on the mac, and I gotta go with firefox. Some of the extensions are just to good.

[sekasi]

Extensions are the only thing that keeps me from swapping to Opera 9.5 tbh. Bizarrely fast browser!

[Dimitree]

Extensions are the only thing that keeps me from swapping to Opera 9.5 tbh. Bizarrely fast browser!

I have installed WebDeveloper and Firebug. Which other ones do you recommend?

[Templarian]

^Firesizer... it lets you resizes the browser in 2 clicks.

If your on windows the IEtab is great. Wish there was a safari tab one also.

[fasterthanlight™]

I surprised at you Mac guys, I'd have figured you'd have taken Opera over Safari. I've never had anything but bad experiences with Safari. I guess it comes with the Mac (like Internet Explorer and Windows), but it just doesn't have the features that Firefox or Opera has.

Opera works pretty well, but I really like having all the extension options that Firefox has.

Like i said, until Opera can offer the amount of accessibility from my keyboard as firefox can, I will stick with what I know. Inside-out, that is.

[Esherido]

Safari's actually pretty nice just because it's so simple. Firefox always feel really bloated when I compare it to Safari.

[Theros]

Safari's actually pretty nice just because it's so simple. Firefox always feel really bloated when I compare it to Safari.

I suppose that's a trade-off on having so many great extensions and plugins.

[kijakarn]

In summary , quicker than ff2 , just as safari's but have tons of plugins , recommended for users who also use non-english languages.

[bobbyanderson]

I surprised at you Mac guys, I'd have figured you'd have taken Opera over Safari.

When I was a PC user I always used Opera, tried to stay with it when I changed over on to my Mac but I gradually got taken over by Safari which is what I use for my every day browsing.

I'm not going to argue about how extensible Firefox is, I do have it and I love the WebDeveloper extension but I'm not "WebDeveloping" 24/7, there's a time and a place for it.

[allmywebsite1]

i have tried firefox 3 . it works nicely and its really amazing.

[sgomez84]

I think Firefox 3 is very weird ... it shows image outlines in Youtube, it doesn't even render it properly ... some site takes years to load, but with FF 2.0.0.14 I didn't face any problem ...

I have 3 browsers installed, Safari, Opera and FF ... and FF 3 has the worst performance in terms of page rendering and this is really weird coz FF was best before FF 3.

[Dimitree]

I just have to say I have at least 10 crashes a day...

[Templarian]

Maybe we should of done this better to figure out what it crashes on. I haven't crashed it yet and I have like 20 tabs always open.

Like is it for highly JS sites or what. I cannot get this thing to crash for the life of me.

[Gundark]

I've only every been able to crash Firefox by doing weird stuff with Flash files. What are you guys doing to make you experience so many crashes?

[GW02]

Firefox 3 has been rock solid for me since RC1. Except when I installed the Flash Player 10 beta, but that's of course another story...

[Templarian]

^FF3 has anomalies in its keyboard events to javascript/flash/ probably silverlight also.

They are probably all related a single bug in ff3.

[Pasquale]

I love the new address bar a lot lately.

[Templarian]

Yea its probably one of the greatest things they could of put in. I just type the title of the site I want and hit enter really saves time.

[Theros]

I think they should also implement those "URL fixer" plugins. I don't know how many times I've typed in google,.com or google.con or .cok

[johnlouis]

.. .cok
*snicker*:trout:

[blindMelon]

Just installed it and I'm loving the default homepage more than anything.. Awesome design!

[thats all folks]

Crashes a lot for me and some extension that I had are not compatible with 3.0

[w1sh]

It's a little buggy and a lot uglier, but I assume they'll fix some of that with the next version. I don't like the new autocompletes (they make me feel like Firefox is watching me :stare:). I do like the Most Visited button though. I'd use it a lot if I thought about it.

Regardless, it's not IE so I love it. :proud:

[Esherido]

^ The auto-complete can be a bit weird at times, but I love it. I think it's actually a bunch prettier and definitely seems to fit in better with each operating system.

[Templarian]

It matters if your on Vista it looks way better than before... if your on XP it's decent.

[Esherido]

^ I'll second that, it's so much nicer looking on Vista.

[Esherido]

Your welcome, spambot!!!

[Arex Bawrin]

Anybody else on Vista not get the WMP 11 Plugin on the initial installer? I had to go to their knowledge base to download the plugin. But other than that, I am in love with this browser!

[Sage_of_Fire]

I found a big bug right off the back on another computer, so I'm sticking with #2 right now. Every time I visited a particular site, it crashed and burned. I'm just wary of very new software like that, and FF2 is working just fine for me right now.

[zups22]

To be honest, the FF3 quite rocks. I think the new search is sweet. Also it seems to be working faster, although when I start it, sometimes at first it takes some time to gather speed:D, what I mean is that like at startup FF3 seems to hang a little or something like this.

[Esherido]

I honestly don't see how people are managing to crash FF3 so much. It runs perfectly fine most of the time, and only bogs down when I start it with a bunch of tabs open.

[Gundark]

I have had Firefox 3 crash on me probably twice, and I've been using it since beta. Somebody should post a link to one of these sites (safe for work please!) that always crashes Firefox 3 because I can't find any.

[Esherido]

Trying running Java applets, that always seems to crash it for me.

[Syous]

Also remember that the new add ons / extensions or even updated ones will make FF whacky. After removing all extensions / add ons I've had 0 issues.

[bear]

...v-bulletin's advance response doesn't work for FireFox 3. I haven't seen any crashes either.

[Esherido]

Also remember that the new add ons / extensions or even updated ones will make FF whacky. After removing all extensions / add ons I've had 0 issues.
Aren't extensions/addons one of the reasons you use Firefox instead of another browser?

[Templarian]

...v-bulletin's advance response doesn't work for FireFox 3. I haven't seen any crashes either.
There is a thread down in forum suggestions explaining this and how to temporally fix it.

[Syous]

Aren't extensions/addons one of the reasons you use Firefox instead of another browser?

Yes but you can find out the problem by disabling them temporarily until the author fixes the extensions.

[Pasquale]

So is our visual editor going to be patched for ff3 soon? :(

[BeefyButcher]

I think its pretty crap, since it doesnt let me create / reply to posts on this forum. I'm using IE7 to do that!

I still use firefox for pretty much everything else though. I'd go back to version 2.0 if I could be bothered....

[randomagain]

its visually worse than firefox 2, not encountered any bugs yet

[bootiteq]

You guys used the development version of Safari? - it was a whle ago probably v2 when I installed it (cant remember how). but it was pretty average and basic. With Safari 3.1 I reckon it has really become something pretty sweet and worth a revisit if you havent already.

I installed and Firefox 3 and had a wee play. It was nice but my computer is faster when its not open.