Kazaa

[mdipi]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3073701.stm

Lawsuites have started and Earthlink is giving names...check the artical. sad sad day...

[Soul]

:(

[replode]

turds :angry:

[fester8542]

Its just a laim scare tactic.

These cases will go all the way up to the supreme courts and will literally take years and years before a ruling could be issued.

Then will come the appeals process. It will be far too costly for the RIAA to drag this out.

[reverendflash]

however, if people did not have Gigs of music on their hard drives, and be extremely willing to promote music pirating, without ever even thinking about buying a CD, I doubt very seriously we would be having this convo...

I mean who need 1000's of songs... I bet they don't listen to 10% of them... a lot of it is just hording... wanting to see how much they can steal...

Then again, I am very against the file sharing progs...

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[DigitalPimp]

Originally posted by fester8542
Its just a laim scare tactic.

These cases will go all the way up to the supreme courts and will literally take years and years before a ruling could be issued.

Then will come the appeals process. It will be far too costly for the RIAA to drag this out.


Umm... The only way it can get to the Supreme Court is if it gets appealed... And I don't think the RIAA will have a problem with cost since they have a legal team on salary.

[fester8542]

I am partially with you rev. Some people are out of control with thier use of P2P progs. Some never even buy music. I have a strict personal policy to purchase music of artists I enjoy. I usually buy a couple of CD's a month.

But if I hear a song on the radio that I kind of like, I am not going to drop the $15 on a CD that will most likely be a one hit wonder scenario. If I download a couple of the artists songs, I will certainly buy thier album.

It urkes me that CD range from 13-17 USD and cost less than three cents to print package and ship.

Barely any of that gets back to the artist.

That said, I dont download whole albums just to have them. I download songs that I kinda like to put on a mixed CD and only for the one tune.

BTW....what are you totally agains P2P man?

[fester8542]

Originally posted by TaylorTAP
Umm... The only way it can get to the Supreme Court is if it gets appealed... And I don't think the RIAA will have a problem with cost since they have a legal team on salary.

I am just saying its going to be a few years before any rulings are made.

We will see.

[DigitalPimp]

I agree with you Fester. Not only do I try to buy the CDs but I always go to the concerts and spend money where I can. I don't believe in stealing from an artist (since I am one and I when ppl rip off my stuff). But there is something to say for Mp3's because there would be sooo many bands out there that I never would had ever heard of if I couldn't find the mp3's.

[replode]

i do that too fester. i hate paying 15 bucks for a cd that has like 45-50 minutes of songs (sometimes less) when im probably not going to listen to half the cd. its the same way with DVDs. you pay 25 bucks (sometimes 30-40) for this DVD that says Special Edition, loaded with extras, and all this crap on it, but you're really only going to watch the special features once or twice, and the movie no more than once every so often. and the thing is, even though these items are overpriced, look how many people still buy them.

[fester8542]

Originally posted by TaylorTAP
I agree with you Fester. Not only do I try to buy the CDs but I always go to the concerts and spend money where I can. I don't believe in stealing from an artist (since I am one and I when ppl rip off my stuff). But there is something to say for Mp3's because there would be sooo many bands out there that I never would had ever heard of if I couldn't find the mp3's.

Exactly :thumb:

[reverendflash]

having only 1 song on an "album" that is any good has been around for years... this is nothing new.

What is new, is the $15 price tag, when it actually costs the label less money to produce, than it did 30 years ago...

I can see your points on trying the music on for size...

However, most people who use a p2p program abuse the hell out of it. They have DVD's, software, music... Most of which they will never see, or want to see/hear again, let alone go out and actually support the industry. That is why I don't like p2p progs...

I also don't like IM progs either, but that is for another thread.

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[UncleGuito]

****!!! i just hid all my files and disabled all my folder sharing. omg, imscared. i could goto jail for life with all the stuff i got

[replode]

people should realize that some things like Kazaa and other P2P programs are too good to be true. doesnt it cross peoples minds when they are downloading a program or a lot of songs that there has to be a catch somewhere?

[DigitalPimp]

Originally posted by Duane Dibley
having only 1 song on an "album" that is any good has been around for years... this is nothing new.

What is new, is the $15 price tag, when it actually costs the label less money to produce, than it did 30 years ago...

I can see your points on trying the music on for size...

However, most people who use a p2p program abuse the hell out of it. They have DVD's, software, music... Most of which they will never see, or want to see/hear again, let alone go out and actually support the industry. That is why I don't like p2p progs...

I also don't like IM progs either, but that is for another thread.

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You must really hate me then because I have over 270Gigs of Warez, Movies, and Mp3s but I do most of my file-swapping @ LAN's and stay away from P2P's because they are soo corrupt and half the files are incomplete. But I make sure that I support the companies that I like. I still buy DVD's and go to the movies regularly. A matter a fact I had X-Men 2 like a week before it came out but didn't even watch it until I saw it in the theater because I didn't want to ruin it. Also, my 17inch LCD doesn't compare to my 43-inch HDTV with progressive scan and 5.1 surround sound.

[reverendflash]

Originally posted by Replode
people should realize that some things like Kazaa and other P2P programs are too good to be true. doesnt it cross peoples minds when they are downloading a program or a lot of songs that there has to be a catch somewhere?

that has always been my thoughts on the subject...

I'll bet most doesn't even listen to 10% of his stash... and then never even thinks about buying anything, because it is free...

Just because you can steal something, doesn't make it right. If the smaller bands want to get their music out there, do the same things most of my friends do... make a bunch of CD's, and give them away at shows... amazing how fast the music gets around, and the band comes out looking like champs for a couple hundred bux... everyone wins...

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[reverendflash]

Taylor:

Why do you need that much stuff? How much do you actually use/listen to?

Excess in any form is still excess...

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[kirupa]

Originally posted by Duane Dibley
that has always been my thoughts on the subject...

I'll bet most doesn't even listen to 10% of his stash... and then never even thinks about buying anything, because it is free...

Just because you can steal something, doesn't make it right. If the smaller bands want to get their music out there, do the same things most of my friends do... make a bunch of CD's, and give them away at shows... amazing how fast the music gets around, and the band comes out looking like champs for a couple hundred bux... everyone wins...

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I agree Duane...err Rev. If people did buy CDs of songs they did like, the music industry's CD sales won't be slumping. People would simply not buy the artists whose music they don't like, and they would buy the music of the artists they DO like. Alas, the last half of the previous sentence isn't followed up by most people.

From the looks of it, RIAA is going after the large file swappers - those who probably have an underground empire of sorts hehe. It'll be far too expensive to go after everyone after all. RIAA isn't doing anything bad or illegal - they are simply doing what is legally correct. People file-swap...err steal, so RIAA is legally bound to catch them.

Cheers!
Kirupa :rambo:

[reverendflash]

270 Gigs of stolen merchandise...

if it were TV's or Stereos, you would be able to be charged with a Felony... I fail to see why it is different with music, DVD's and software...

Would you want someone to steal your work, so you get nothing whatsoever from it's popularity, and the hard work you put in?

I seriously doubt it...

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[RelandR]

I like John C Dvorak's views on this::

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1118692,00.asp

[fester8542]

Interesting article reland.

I doubt you will ever actually see the day where music is recorded with each instrument on its own track, but his point about needing change could not be any more correct.

[replode]

i found the parts he said about some of the big copyers and downloaders were kids a bit offensive. there are probably just as many adults who illegally distribute music as there are kids.

[reverendflash]

we also need to stop putting 20 songs on a CD...

We used to get 7-10 songs/album, then waited with baited breath for the new albums coming out. We used to sit and stare at the cover art, trying to figure out all of the subliminal meanings...

Today, they put 20 songs on a CD, 1/2 of which wouldn't have made the cut 20 years ago. Then, the artist is drained of his art, and has a terrible time coming up with enough quality content for the 2nd album...

just my thoughts on the music industry...

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[RelandR]

Originally posted by Replode
i found the parts he said about some of the big copyers and downloaders were kids a bit offensive. there are probably just as many adults who illegally distribute music as there are kids.

feh ... once you reach an age where anyone more than 30 years younger than you is a 'kid' (allthough technically not) ... it is just a figure of speach meaning the younger quarter of people, wherein I believe he's right on the money.


Duane:: How true ... it's a flood out there now :!:

[reverendflash]

I really miss the cover art...

that is really what got me interested in Graphic Design in the first place...

if it were still as large, and as important... I think more people would buy the CD/album...

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[thoriphes]

This is a shame. This is one of the darker days for the free world. :(

[reverendflash]

I don't think this is a shame. I think it has to happen for the music industry to move forward. I'm not sure it will be a good thing for the average person, but I think it is necessary.

just look at Taylor Tap... 270 Gigs of stolen merch, without buying a single thing... that is a major crime in my book...

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[thoriphes]

Ok, DD i see what you mean. Lawyers are surely gonna have one hell of a field day with this. I'm glad the RIAA is stepping up their efforts. Artists deserve their royalties. You know what this all means, though. Prices for CDs are probably going to stay where they are.

[reverendflash]

I hope that the music industry will make it a better place for the average Joe... but I doubt it... just me being cynical...

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[thoriphes]

I think the music industry should set a ceiling for their profit. Some of these artists, IMHO, are getting way too much money. Once they hit that ceiling, the prices for their CDs (or specific album) should be lowered.

[reverendflash]

personally, I would think it is the labels that are to blame...

but that is just my view...

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[DigitalPimp]

Originally posted by Duane Dibley
I don't think this is a shame. I think it has to happen for the music industry to move forward. I'm not sure it will be a good thing for the average person, but I think it is necessary.

just look at Taylor Tap... 270 Gigs of stolen merch, without buying a single thing... that is a major crime in my book...

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That is the exact opposite of what I said. I SAID I DO STILL GO TO THE MOVIES REGULARLY AND BUY CDS AND GO TO ROCK CONCERTS.

A MATTER A FACT THE BAND AUTHORITY ZERO I JUST SAW LIVE @ THE WARPED TOUR (TO SEE THEM) AND WHEN I WAS THERE I BOUGHT THERE CD JUST TO SUPPORT THEM. I would never of had heard of them if not for Mp3's and they have free Mp3's for download right off their site http://www.authorityzero.com.

Also, have you ever heard of bootlegs because that is how Metallica became famous...

[reverendflash]

okay fine...

but 270 gigs of stolen merch is still in your posession...

if you get the mp3's from the band, then they don't have anything to do with this convo. This convo was about p2p progs and the abuse they get.

270 gigs of info is abuse in my book.

bootlegs are fine, but they were usually traded in cassette form, not a digital (close to perfect) format. I have friends who have tons of Grateful Dead tapes (authorized by the band), and those I feel are okay.

downloading DVD's is not, downloading hundreds of gigs of software and mp3's is not... It is stealing, plain and simple.

BTW - you brought it up...

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[thoriphes]

I hate Metallica. I'm giving up my tickets for Summer Sanitarium because of them. Metallica is so bad.

[DigitalPimp]

Originally posted by userid=16
I hate Metallica. I'm giving up my tickets for Summer Sanitarium because of them. Metallica is so bad.

Metallica is a bunch of *******!!

Most of the movies I don't even watch actually just about all of them. I guess I am just a packrat... Oh, Authority Zero doesn't have all of their mp3's on their site just some but I got the whole CD off of Kazaa.

Also, to your statement of how would I like ppl ripping off my stuff? I wouldn't care if they got ahold of my source code and checked it out as long as if they wanted to pay me for it if they liked it. Which is the same thing as to me buying a CD or going to a concert if I download some mp3's and like them.

Mp3's are also awesome for rare tracks that can't be bought anymore like old AFI EP's and acoustic versions that you will never be able to buy or hear on the radio.

[reverendflash]

I won't go see them again... and I see a ton of music ... almost every day I go see someone play live...

I paid over $70 to see Light of the Day/Metallica a few years back. It was a good show, but then Lars made his stink...

It was just the wrong way to go about it...

Plus, their new album sux in my opinion...

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[reverendflash]

DP...

there are hundreds of ways to justify having that much stuff...

IMO, it is still large scale theft.

but that is why they have horse races... difference of opinion.

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[thoriphes]

Honestly, he's right. If they find you, think of the fine they're gonna give you. That bill mentioned earlier this morning was said to give up to $250,000 (was it?) per song (that's copyright violated). Don't think you can hide forever. The RIAA is getting more and more desperate.

[reverendflash]

dp:

I wasn't talking about your source code... Think of how you would feel about one of your flash movies appearing on every college kid's website, and being traded all over the world without even giving you a thanks...

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[mlk]

The RIAA plans to use software robots to search for copyright violations, as well as sending warnings to universities and businesses demanding they remove illegal material.


okaym i bet @ days after these bots come out hackers will know how to get rid of 'em...

there are so many P2P users... i doubt the RIAA will be cable of really hurting the piracy industry

the smart thing to do would be to close down the sharing networks and programs (what would you do if you couldnt use kazaam winmx or other P2P discs ???

cheers -
mlk

:beam: thousandth post :beam::beam::beam:

[replode]

i agree with rev, its still theft. i'll admit, i downloaded some songs off of kazaa, and deleted most of them cause i never listened to them. i still have 5-10 on my computer, but i own the cds. and i really like how mlk described it as a piracy industry. good point.

[DigitalPimp]

Originally posted by Manny Calavera
Honestly, he's right. If they find you, think of the fine they're gonna give you. That bill mentioned earlier this morning was said to give up to $250,000 (was it?) per song (that's copyright violated). Don't think you can hide forever. The RIAA is getting more and more desperate.

I'm not worried since I don't openly share my stuff to anybody and everybody. Since, my collection is soo large I only share with friends or peers or I'll bring my FTP to a LAN. Personally, I rarely even download from P2P's either so I'm not like stingy or anything...

[RussianBeer]

Personaly, I hate the Record companies with a passion..
That is why the radio is plagued with overplayed, untalanted music...

And Tea Party, my favorite band.. Wont play in the USA for that same reason.. the record companies told them what to play.. and they just wont have any of that... and that is one of many bands.. They are real big in Canada...

So anything that pisses of the record companies, i love it..

[DigitalPimp]

Just look @ Christina Aguilera, thanks to the record companies she was a sweet wholesome little girl but once she broke away she became the proud slut of pop culture!!

[BullDog_Flash]

Do you guys believe that the Officals will actually try to track down everyone who has songs from kazaa and sue them $750 a song.


I dont believe it do you.

I dont because I mean The Songs Software Documents everything is there just sitting there waiting to be downloaded so basically they cant exactly do anything.


I mean if you guys found like A c-D laying on the ground are you gonna keep it there try it look for Id no not likely.
Your probbaly going to keep it.

And the officals will have to track downn like Millions of People to do it.

[I am the Noah]

I totally dont believe that, theres is almost no way they could do that, someone could just unplug their internet and they couldn't track them, most people that use kazaa seem to have dial up so they couldn't be tracked either.

[Digitalosophy]

if they ever came here asking me for money i think i'd hit them in the head with my montior

and no i dont think they will

[Maxtr0sity]

Whole another thread about this:

http://www.kirupaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26953

[reverendflash]

not necessarily. they know what the IP was at that time, and who was accessing that IP at that time... it traces back to you just the same.

They can track your computer.

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[mdipi]

they already started buddy.

http://www.kirupaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28869

[reverendflash]

threads merged

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[Maxtr0sity]

Dipi:

:P


Originally posted by Maxtr0sity
Whole another thread about this:

http://www.kirupaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26953

[Alex]

oh no, i have alot of songs on my computer. I really really hope they dont go ahead with this. i would be dead!

[mlk]

yeah but all you have to to is create a little batch file that erases completely *.mp3 - with the lack of evidence, they won't be able to charge you with anything...

[reverendflash]

it won't erase it from your ISP's log files...

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[Alex]

hmmm, i am screwed then. i hope to god that it doesnt come down to that.:(

[replode]

Alex, you could move to Canada or Mexico and change your identity.

[mdipi]

Reland i was going to post htat artical, its old but good. but in relation to that, i just read in the new PC mag abou how that would only be a temp solution. go back just a few years when putting 6 megs onto a harddrive was unthinkable. but as technology grew so did the harddrives, and as those grew so did p2p. the same thing will happen, its the enevitable.

[BullDog_Flash]

If Any Officals Come TO My door I will Say and name like just about all my friends my moms friend my dads friends my siss friedn and my other sises friend and my brother's frinds you get the point to go sue them and see what you get.

For The officals and news gov whatever to say that could start a srike.

I want to take my mouse and chuck it at the people.


Also Another thing i am pissed at is I seen on the enws yesterday saying Canada Wants to Bann yO' Yo's That makes me mad man

[DDD]

this is a passing phase...you cannot stop file sharing at all periiod. That is why they were unsuccessful when they tried to shut down kazaa. I have a buddy who works at a recording studio and he says it is a crock. And really does not effect the artists that much. At least not as much as they say it does. Most artists are getting ripped by the record companies getting like .08 cents per album sold (and this is the high side) The actual record companies own the masters to the cds. And these are the greedy bastards. They are putting it on like it hurts the artists but it really does not. Like I said not like we think. The way they get paid is on a points system. And they are paid once the album ships to your local store. So if no-one buys it they still get paid. The re-ups is where it is at. And that is where the record company really cleans up. They speak of the lil independant guys who lose out. Well those are not the guys complaining, and not many people download underground music since you can usually get the cd for 5 bucks....Versus the new Chistina Aguilera cd for 20 bucks. The rappers singers and musicians are not really the ones pushing this it is the guys who have more money than they know what to do with.

All in all unless you have 20gb of music on your hd then you are safe. And believe somone will develop something to block their intrusion tactics

[mdipi]

exactly what i was trying to say, it will always be here.

[Alex]

Originally posted by 3d-iva

All in all unless you have 20gb of music on your hd then you are safe. And believe somone will develop something to block their intrusion tactics

will zone alarm keep them out?:thumb:

[mdipi]

alex, it might make it harder, but if a hacker (supposing thats what they want to do) were to want to get into your box, nothing will keep them out...

dont worry about it...just stay low...and btw if they suspect you of a power user, they will most likely seize your whole HD like they do for Child ****ography cases, they take the HD as is and look for evedence, that way you cant try to keep them out like you said...:-\

[Alex]

dont we have any privacy any more. they dont like it when people hack into their computers, so why does that give them the right.

*turns on XP fire wall*
*Turns on Zone alarm*
*lights begin to dim*

[mdipi]

alex...you make me wonder...how much 'evedence' do you have on your system?

[Alex]

just a bunch of music. :)

[mdipi]

but how much? you seem scared to london...

[DDD]

ahahaha....he is the super user probably. Their is no way they can stop it. Cause Kazaa is not like napster. Long as you dont have just ridiculous amounts of files there you should be cool. They sent out 100 subpoena's. Do ya'll know how many folks are on the gnutella network? That is such a drop in the bucket. ALmost like winning the lottery. Jst dontbe outrageous and your cool. And your ISP has alot to do with it. My ISP sent a letter about this and they said they will fight this intrusion. Earthlink are a bunch of **** suckers so they gave in.

[Alex]

204

:)
not as bad as i thought:)

[mdipi]

i got like 375 or something. but its stuff that i listen to a lot. like i listen to it all. 3d i have cox and so far they have said nothing. i dont know if they will either. i am not a super user so i am not concerned, i also dont share. so i feel ok about it. but your right. and now Gnutella 2 is coming out. lol this is just to good. they are going in circles and will be for a bit. the vast majority of the artists support it. :P its just funny imo

[DDD]

that is nothing and plus you are hopefully not connected 24 hours a day. They are looking at that also. The gnutella covers limewire, bearshare and a bunch of others. If they sen you a subpoena you are lucky.....Go get a lottery ticket that day. As for me. I download away cause I think it is buull****....Except software I try to buy everything that I have. BUt I have been around the music industry enough to know that it is not the artists complaining it is greedy execs. You have not seen any popular artsts complain yet.

[Alex]

i dont have any of the P2P programs installed any more. i just dont want any fines.:P

[mdipi]

well madona...but you said popualar. lol. i have done a few apps, but i am currently saving to buy them.

[DDD]

dude she will say anything to be involved with anything that will make her money....her career is dwindling

[saint cleve]

i think it is stoopid...as a musician, i put my mp3s in my shared folder hopeing that someone will download it...i can understand that i am an average white male living on a small island in florida...but if it is illegal to "share" files across the internet, then why don't musicians who sell their record find a way to block CD ripping...i will tell you why...it would only be a waste of time...some nerd in Utah will find a way to crack the code...make a website about it...and then cd ripping will be back...no matter what RIAA does...sharing music with complete strangers will never go away...the only way to truely stop it or limit it, would be to terminate the digital world...and that would create chaos seeing how there are a lot of people's careers depending on the internet...the internet is just a few steps above the telephone...who knows whats next...but i know for sure (hopefully) that music data will always be transferred accross the country and be available for anyone to download to their mac or PC...my advice to the RIAA

"give up...you will not win...i have over 4,000 'pirated' or as i like to say 'shared' files that i downloaded from kazaa...and the thing with kazza...it has spyware that is automatically installed on your computer...so i searched out and got kazaa light...no spyware...good luck in your journey...and send me a post card"

so for the RIAA...dont worry about it...what are they gonna do??? make me delete my mp3s???...why...i got em from mp3.com!!!

also...i will admit...i don't listen to all the songs that are downloaded onto my computer...and that is because my sister, brother, and father all dowload music...and i don't like some of the music they listen to..but i do know one thing...my family likes music...and why spen $20.00 on a CD when we can download freeware and share songs with people in kansas!!!...i said share...not steal...i am commiting no crime...

they way i see it...if you dont want someone to use your stuff...don't make it available to them...:crazy:

[mdipi]

wow...thats some of the best sense i have heard in a while. werd man werd.

[saint cleve]

just sayin it how it is

[mdipi]

i know, but you have said it the best. never really seen it that up front. like you said, history will repeat itself. someone will always crack ti. no matter what. i mean we cracked the gnome right? what is there left, a simple CD? please. they cant stop us now that its unleashed.

[saint cleve]

seriously...its our human instinct to find better ways for everything..and finding a new way to share files will be easy...for example...bit torrent!!!

[saint cleve]

http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/

http://wiki.etree.org/index.php?page=BitTorrentDownloads

http://www.whatisee.com/bittorrent.htm

its obvious that people are all ready finding new ways!!!:beam:

:geek: easy as that

[Alex]

i got a question, if they do pass this, does it count if you copy the music from a purchased cd to you computer?

i just copied 124 songs from my cds to the computer. I find it a hassle to keep changing cds, thats why i did it .:)

[replode]

nope, cause you own the cd. you're not allowed to let other people download them, but you can have them on your computer.

[mdipi]

yeah the law says that you cannot share copyrighted material, not you cant upload it.

[Alex]

good, because im close to 200 songs just from my cd's

:P

[replode]

Alex, how big is your hard drive?

[Alex]

i think its 37.2 GB

i have used 17.9 GB

lol

[mdipi]

not big enough :P but thats a lot fo songs...what kind of music do you listen to?

[Alex]

punk rock
DMB
Guster

and all of that good stuff

[mdipi]

ohh. i got like 5 songs on my mac. its all afi and taproot. i think one song by the offspring but its old. wait maybe 10. but its soooooo good. so i am happy

[replode]

ive got about 20 songs on my computer. it takes up minimal space on my massave 120 GB hard drive :P