FREE Swish Templates

[htmlpro]

Hi guys,

made some templates in Swish. You can download them for free. Check them out in the downloads section of my website:

http://www20.brinkster.com/pirnoor/

TC :)

[UNFLUX]

most of us here are well adept at flash and don't want or need
any free templates. thanks for your time, and you just have
yourself a lovely day. Take care now, bye-bye then.

[Soul]

:P

[sintax321]

lol:P

[liam]

it sure is nice of you to be such an *****hole, unflux.

[David]

I'm trying to work out what the five letter word before "hole" was *****hole????????? i dunno, care to elaborate.

[TheOrangeOne]

hey unflux! that was a bit harsh. The dude trys to be nice and you beat him down like that! Funny, but soooo not cool.......

[SureShot]

htmlpro - thanks for the hard work dude... great effort.

Unflux was right in saying that most people here are pretty good with flash already but still your donation to the board was a nice one. Thanks man... I am sure someone might find them useful.

[UNFLUX]

I'm just tired of everyone here being Mr. NiceGuy and never
telling the truth.

first of all, the templates aren't any good. Second of all, I wasn't
being an jerk, and why do you care anyway? He's made 5 posts
and now spamming his own work, and you're protecting him?

All this board has become is an ego-boost for people. Come here,
post your work, and you will undoubtedly receive at least 10
posts telling you how good it is, even if it isn't. That's asinine.
Why do you think I stopped posting mine?

Are you telling me you approve and agree with someone trying to
sell/give away free work on here? Countless posts have been
deleted and/or edited for the same reason and you are giving me
grief for posting what most of us are thinking.

Are you seriously ever going to visit his site and use his
templates? I highly doubt it.

Lighten up, and learn to speak your mind instead of tip-toeing
around the truth all the time.

[fester8542]

You need a hug pal?

:love:

[UNFLUX]

a beer more like. got one?

[fester8542]

I always have beer brother.

I can see why this whole template thing really twists your left nippple.

The templates were pretty bad.

[reverendflash]

Originally posted by UNFLUX
I'm just tired of everyone here being Mr. NiceGuy and never
telling the truth.

All this board has become is an ego-boost for people. Come here,
post your work, and you will undoubtedly receive at least 10
posts telling you how good it is, even if it isn't. That's asinine.
Why do you think I stopped posting mine?

I agree UNFLUX...

people get upset when given straight critiques, ask reviewers to be gentle, then complain when they aren't picked...

That is why I don't visit site check anymore... too many people fishing for compliments.

Take a look at what has been posted previously, look at the comments, and see if you really want to post your work. If you want an ego stroke, then post on your site, and invite all your friends to comment...

JMO

Revhttp://www.aulman.com/rev.gif

[SureShot]

hmm - I dont really agree or disagree with either Unlfux or Rev. I mean, I can see where you are coming from but I dont think it's as bad as you guys make it out to be.

1st - sure people like to have their ego stroked once in a while but that's not a bad thing - as long as it's mixed with constructive critisizim than what harm can it do. Telling someone their ideas suck or that they arent any good isnt going to make anyone try harder, it's going to do the opposite.

2nd - I understand what you mean about the site check section but to be honest, I posted in there once or twice and both times I have gotten the obligitory "great work - wouldnt change a thing" but I have also gotten great responses, and I think one of them was from you Rev and even Unflux if I remember correctly. It said what you liked about the site but also things you would change - that's what people need to hear.

They dont need to hear that they "suck" or their designs "are no good" that's not going to help anyone. I know it sounds very idealistic and like I should be teaching Kindergarten but if people were telling my stuff sucked and that my designs were no good - I wouldn't have the job I have now or the passion for the art. People need to figure out that there is a difference between helping and hurting. It works both ways - you can hurt someone by being too nice, tricking them into thinking their work is always good when clearly it's not. But you can also hurt them by making them not want to try again and get better.

I dont know - I guess just after reading these posts you guys seem to be too harsh. Unflux - I havent seen you post like this before, you seem very frustrated or mad about something.

[Niann]

I am curious then, no one should post the work they do here? If I worked at somthing and posted it I would like feedback, good or bad. I think its far better to know what people think about something you do rather then not knowing anything. Also if someone does good work why should they not receive praise of some sort?

Don't get me wrong now, I am not defending htmlpro, I thought his message was pure spam. :) I am working on a couple projects now, and I was thinking of posting the results here for feedback when I was finished. Not as an ego stroke, but I trust the people here to be honest without flaming me. There is a big difference between giving constructive feedback (good or bad) and bashing the person because you don't like thier work.

Anyhow...

Cheers!
-Niann

[reverendflash]

posting your work is fine.

complaining about what response you get is not... or to say in your subject "be gentle with me."

IMO, if you post something, be ready to get shot out of the water. Especially since you have already taken a look at the quality of stuff posted before, and the results of the critiques...

People who enter SOTW don't even look at the rules, let alone what sites have won, and what comments the sites get... That is obvious.

People tend to take criticism way too personally, or give the reasons why they did something the way they did... reasons rarely make it okay, it just justifies it in the author's mind...

Plus, I am sooooo tired of seeing sites trying to copy outright an intro or effect from a famous flash site, like 2A.

again, just my opinion...

Revhttp://www.aulman.com/rev.gif

[sintax321]

Unflux has a very good point. Whne i post stuff I'm not looking for an ego stroke either. i wnat a honest opion and ways to improve. When ever i have posted a reply to some one in site check i'm compleatly honest and tell them what they can try to make it better. I would hope others would do the same.

Templates anger me as well. Especialy when you offer them on a board that trys to help ppl learn flash. These are kind of an easy way out for someone and will only hold them back.

[Niann]

Well, I suck at web design, so no worries for me there... My projects aren't really Flash related, but I thought people might want to take a look if it sounded interesting to them. =)

Cheers!
-Niann

[sintax321]

Niann post your wokr in site check and i'll be sure to find them and give a good look over them. THere are a could other ppl who also do a good review when they have the time.

[liam]

Originally posted by UNFLUX
I'm just tired of everyone here being Mr. NiceGuy and never
telling the truth.

what's with the holier-than-thou attitude man? if you're tired of it, just ignore it, don't insult someone.


first of all, the templates aren't any good. Second of all, I wasn't being an jerk, and why do you care anyway? He's made 5 posts and now spamming his own work, and you're protecting him?

templates aren't any good? maybe he thought they would be a help to someone who is completely beginning. you're telling me you've never looked at the source of a cool experiment you've seen to try to figure it out? it's pretty much the same thing as opening up a template.

and what does it matter how many posts he has? he's not spamming anything, he's just letting people know that they are there if they should want to check it out.


All this board has become is an ego-boost for people. Come here, post your work, and you will undoubtedly receive at least 10 posts telling you how good it is, even if it isn't. That's asinine. Why do you think I stopped posting mine?

just because he posted his template, doesn't mean he's asking for an ego-boost or a compliment. if he had asked for comments or suggestions, i most certainly wouldn't have complimented him on the quality of the templates.

check my posts in site check, i rarely give unfounded praise. i actually don't think that i've ever wholly complimented someone on a site without giving my honest feedback as to how i feel they could improve it.


Are you telling me you approve and agree with someone trying to sell/give away free work on here? Countless posts have been deleted and/or edited for the same reason and you are giving me grief for posting what most of us are thinking.

yes, i agree with people who are posting things to try to give others a head start on learning some flash basics.

im giving you grief? soooo sorry. i'm just telling you to use a little respect and tact in your replies to others. just because you have more posts, doesn't make you a better designer. and cut with the holier-than-thou attitude, you're not perfect either.


Are you seriously ever going to visit his site and use his
templates? I highly doubt it.

no, i won't, but his post was obviously not directed at us. his post was meant for those who need a beginning in flash. if this kind of stuff makes you so upset because its not up to par with your skills, then why assume it was directed at designers of your experience. just ignore it, don't bash him.


Lighten up, and learn to speak your mind instead of tip-toeing around the truth all the time.

i was speaking my mind, i was expressing my disgust for people like you insulting those who are trying to help others.

[Illuminae]

Originally posted by liam
what's with the holier-than-thou attitude man? if you're tired of it, just ignore it, don't insult someone.
he is holier then thou. you know why? because he has the balls to speak out and tell the dude flat out that he sucks. and NEVER, and i mean NEVER, has unflux ever been not supportive of someone who legitimately was seeking guidance. im sorry, i hate spam. and this dude is spammin. he should be tarred and feathered just like every other person who send you viagra ads and mortgage refinancing emails. keep kirupa clean, baby.

and also, i would like to mention that YOU LIAM were the one who started throwing blows. unflux was simply partaking in some wonderfully refresing sarcasm. he never started mudslinging. but erm, if i remember correctly, you are the one who called him a *****hole. so dont be such a friggin hypocrite. isn't you who said "just ignore it, don't insult someone"???
practice what you preach.



yes, i agree with people who are posting things to try to give others a head start on learning some flash basics.

yeah. right. he is trying to help others. that's why his stuff is just shameless promo for suckers who don't know squat and think they will pay some dumba55 to make a stupid site that sux. I AM SO TIRED OF SUCKY WEB DESIGN. ALL OVER. INVADING THE WHOLE DAMM INTERNET. SUCKY STUFF. SUCKY STUFF.
what ever happened to striving for excellence? this world is polluted with horrible commercial crap. aren't you tired of bad design? every day i walk around boston and look at the world around me. and i notice all the bullsh1t, all the UGLY stuff. i am sick of people not having standards.
i have lived my life compromising my standards to "BE NICE" or "give the other guy a fair chance"
well. i'm sick of it. no one should have to compromise. and i'm not gonna do it anymore.
RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW, I STAND BEFORE ALL OF YOU AND PROCLAIM!!!!!
I PROCLAIM ....
i will no longer settle for over cooked steak when i ordered rare!
i will no longer settle for lukewarm coffee when i ordered it hot and fresh!
i will no longer settle for a mechanic who forgot to check my fluids when i got a full and complete tuneup!
i will no longer settle for mediocre at best services!
i will no longer settle for men who just aren't good enough for me!
i will no longer settle for an incomplete answer!
i will no longer settle for anything less then complete respect!
i will no longer compromise my standards just to make the world more comfortable with my voice! NO MORE.
i am sick of being polite. i am sick of making little white lies so no one's feelings get hurt. i am sick of playing this game. in the end what matters? what matters is how much good and how much beauty you have added to the world. NOT HOW MUCH CRAP YOU COULD DISH OUT AND THEN HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU COULD BULL**** INTO EATING IT UP.


[/B]
im giving you grief? soooo sorry. i'm just telling you to use a little respect and tact in your replies to others. just because you have more posts, doesn't make you a better designer. and cut with the holier-than-thou attitude, you're not perfect either.....
i was speaking my mind, i was expressing my disgust for people like you insulting those who are trying to help others.[/B]

lord give me strength. because it's taking every fiber of my being and jesus to hold my tongue right now.

[RussianBeer]

You go gurl!! :thumb:

Yeah, this is what I am talking about! Lets feel the soul! (not Soul) THE soul!

You know you make my head spin when you talk like that red :sure:

[Illuminae]

Originally posted by RussianBeer
You go gurl!! :thumb:

Yeah, this is what I am talking about! Lets feel the soul! (not Soul) THE soul!

You know you make my head spin when you talk like that red :sure:

:flower:

lets blow this joint and go get some takos. ;)

[RussianBeer]

fo'reals ;)

[sintax321]

yes, i agree with people who are posting things to try to give others a head start on learning some flash basics.

This is not a head start it is a step back. These lead to another person who doens't know any thing about web design taken these templates and trying to sell them claming he is a flash designer.

Liam you are the one who started getting ignorent in the first place. Most ppl saw the sarcasim in unflux post but you seem more like the one who has the "holier-than-thou attitude".

And besides these templates are poor at best. They are choppy and look bad. To even a beginer they would not be helpful cause the wont be learning any thing. THESE THINGS DO NOT HELP.

[reverendflash]

Originally posted by liam
it sure is nice of you to be such an *****hole, unflux.

Liam:

when you have as much experience as UNFLUX, then you can call him to the carpet. Meanwhile, leave the reprimands to the mods. As your profile states, you are 18, and have no site of your own. I assume you are going to school...

take a step back, realize there are people in this world who don't necessarily think the way you do, and move on.

Once again, Kirupaforums has not asked you to be a champion for anyone. You have been here 4 months, and you want to reprimand a member who has shown his talent and his ability to critique other people's work many times?

Before you decide to become a Junior Moderator, I suggest you actually demonstrate the past projects to back up your ego...

And if I see you continuing to call members names, we won't be having another discussion.

Revhttp://www.aulman.com/rev.gif

[liam]

have some compassion, you guys. everyone started out as a beginner. you have no right to keep flat-out insulting htmlpro.

so sorry for using the "holier-than-thou" comment; don't be calling me a hypocrite (golgi + sintax), when you're doing the same thing i was for htmlpro for unflux.

and for god's sake golgi, i never said that his templates were of the best quality. i just don't feel that you have the right to flat-out put him down like that. you need to calm down too, you're reading too deep into this, and even if it was an attempt to be humorous, it didn't work.

rev - i do have my own site, and i've had my own domain for 3 years. dunno how you missed that on my profile. and, before you start making quips regarding my level of experience; upon looking at unflux's portfolio, i've got more sites under my belt in my portfolio than him.


you want to reprimand a member who has shown his talent and his ability to critique other people's work many times?

i'm sorry, i can't agree with this mentality. so what you're saying is that if a member has been here long enough and has a decent portfolio, he can run around being mean to some newbies who probably look up to him?

i think you guys value the number of posts a member has on this forum way too much.

i didn't want this to turn into something where everyone is against me, and i'm sorry for the wave this has caused.

next time i express my opinion against someone i'll be sure to check if his posts are less than mine.

[s-fx]

Originally posted by UNFLUX

first of all, the templates aren't any good. Second of all, I wasn't
being an jerk, and why do you care anyway? He's made 5 posts
and now spamming his own work, and you're protecting him?


Man, there's a lot of "he's got so few posts, who gives a **** about him". That's just lame for god sake!

Oh, another thought, Post-nazism. Those with a lot of posts are those of superior race and those who don't have a lot of posts are those who are spit on and thrown rocks at.
Have fun Mr.Post-nazi!

[sintax321]

Originally posted by UNFLUX
most of us here are well adept at flash and don't want or need
any free templates. thanks for your time, and you just have
yourself a lovely day. Take care now, bye-bye then.

htmlpro didn't need defending. Unflux never said the templates sucked or where poor quality. He made a sarcastic comment that some one was bound to make. Then you come in deffending some one wo really doesnt' need it and start calling ppl *******s.

When some one starts acting like you did towards Unflux then it is worth defending.

[lostinbeta]

it was a broken link for me.

[reverendflash]

liam:

I'm sorry, I stand corrected. You do have a site. It is 1 page long, and has a mailto. I saw it and forgot about it.

I apologize.

Revhttp://www.aulman.com/rev.gif

[Illuminae]

Originally posted by reverendflash
liam:

I'm sorry, I stand corrected. You do have a site. It is 1 page long, and has a mailto. I saw it and forgot about it.

I apologize.

Revhttp://www.aulman.com/rev.gif

hehehhehehehe
touche

[Illuminae]

Originally posted by liam

and for god's sake golgi, i never said that his templates were of the best quality. i just don't feel that you have the right to flat-out put him down like that. you need to calm down too, you're reading too deep into this, and even if it was an attempt to be humorous, it didn't work.


oh, no worries. no joke was meant. believe me, when i'm trying to be funny, i acheive my goal.

im not gonna calm down, and you have no right to tell me i'm reading too far into this. i think i've kept it plain and simple. lets reveiw the course of events, for some added clarification...

htmldude spams kirupa
unflux calls him on it
liam insults unflux
golgi and others stand up for unflux

see, now that wasn't too complicated, was it?

now granted, i did go off a bit on a rant, but hey. it all boils down to one thing.
we deserve to live spamfree. and if kirupa gets infiltrated, kirupans get pissed off.
the end.

[UncleGuito]

lol this sounds like what u guys usually do to me except its a different group of people

[UNFLUX]

All I know, is that I never intended off of one smart-alleck
comment for it to come to all this.

Liam, you clearly took my post the wrong way.

If you didn't get it, then why call me names? or even comment at
all? Why not just ignore it, since 2 people posted before you
actually understood what I was trying to say? It might not have
been the best way to say it, but my reasons and logic are all
justified.

As for my portfolio, it speaks for itself and I don't feel the need to
defend it to you or anyone else. I don't need to compare it
to yours or anyone else's either. I do professional web work for
clients and my own satisfaction, not for pats on the back on
kirupa. If you think your portfolio is grander than mine, well
then, good for you!! However, this is how many sites of yours I
have ever seen = 0.

Sorry, but I don't argue like a schoolyard recess. Don't call me
out when you have nothing to show for yourself. You want to
settle this Ol' West style, we can battle. I'll keep my eye on the
battle forum for an invite.

But as for my posting on this thread and topic, I've made my
points and many others have both supported and expanded on it.

Thanks for the support everyone. I'm done here.

[Illuminae]

i'll sell meat on a stick and beer....

please please please battle, oh pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease

[Didiusthegreat]

First of all I can't see the second template.

Second;

I do not agree with unflux and Reverendflash. Indeed some just seek good comments. But does that means you should it them. In the "Site check" forum everybody does give his opinion. I understand what you mean Unflux, Rev, but I do not totally agree.

as for this templates. (I just saw the first one) I'll not download them. The just aren't that good. it's cool you want to share them; but they just aren't that good.

Hope I'm not offending someone.


(Forgive my bad english too;) )

[fester8542]

Originally posted by redGolgi
i'll sell meat on a stick and beer....

please please please battle, oh pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease

I dont know what would be better....

Meat on a stick and beer....or UNFLUX schooling htmlpro in a battle.

I think a battle would be smooth arse shizzle. :)

[sintax321]

Well the battle would be with "liam" but i'm sure htmlpro could join to if he wanted.

And meat on a stick is always good. Chicken, Pork, Beef. Put it on a stick and u have a winning combination. Deep Fry it and put it on a stick and you have gold in your hands.

[Illuminae]

my sentiments exactly :thumb:

[SureShot]

let's all just let this post die...

(yes I relize that I just posted in here, but it's at the top anyway :) )

[fester8542]

Originally posted by sintax321
Well the battle would be with "liam" but i'm sure htmlpro could join to if he wanted.

And meat on a stick is always good. Chicken, Pork, Beef. Put it on a stick and u have a winning combination. Deep Fry it and put it on a stick and you have gold in your hands.

OPPPPPS!

I meant Liam....

Just cant get that darn htmlpro out my head
:love:


j/k

[Illuminae]

heheh, fester, youre a wicked pissa

[fester8542]

You dont get much more bostinaian than that.

So when you taking me fishing?

[liam]

Originally posted by redGolgi
hehehhehehehe
touche

you think that's funny golgi? let me just wander over to redgolgi.com and......wait! you have nothing on your site either!

im redesigning.

and unflux, i'm sorry i misenterpreted your post, i'll just keep my mouth shut next time.

oh, and: **LINK REMOVED** show some maturity.
:)

[liam]

show some maturity?

i was just letting him know that i posted a battle thread...

????

and you guys deleted that thread why? what's going on??

[Illuminae]

Originally posted by liam
you think that's funny golgi? let me just wander over to redgolgi.com and......wait! you have nothing on your site either!


not like i need to defend myself to you, but i do have a site. many actually. you just have to be smart enough to find it.

[Illuminae]

Originally posted by liam
show some maturity?

i was just letting him know that i posted a battle thread...

????

and you guys deleted that thread why? what's going on??

also, i dunno what he said in there, so it may have been offensive, but please please please let the battle take place oh most wonderful of mods...
cmon, let unflux kick some butt... heheheh

[Illuminae]

Originally posted by fester8542
You dont get much more bostinaian than that.

So when you taking me fishing?

:beam: as soon as i get back from my spontaneous trip to AZ

[Kitiara]

If we could stop insulting each other for a while please?

I don't particularly care who started it, but give it a break. I'm not going to sit here and watch everyone throwing insults and criticism back and forth.

[SureShot]

*gives Kit a high five*

I'm with you sister, this is bullcrap!

Let's go have a drink ;)

[liam]

also, i dunno what he said in there, so it may have been offensive, but please please please let the battle take place oh most wonderful of mods...

golgi, i didn't post anything offensive, that's why im puzzled. it was merely a link to the battle thread i created. and in that battle thread, i just said something like: "let's create a showcase site or presentation, blah blah..."

nothing offensive there.

[mlk]

The pity is that all your cat fights made this guy leave the forums. Gawd I thought Kirupaforum com was supposed to be nice and friendly but instead older members just jerk the n00bs. Comon all of you - this guy probably hasnt been on the forums long enough to check the level of (y)our work. He was only trying to help.

Oh well. :crazy: need some alcohol. sad friday evening.

[Alex]

let this thread die out, or lock it

[Kitiara]

Locked.

No more squabbling.