Kazaa down for the count?

[Niann]

Interesting news storys...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/sv/20030626/tc_sv/musiclabelsplanwebdragnet

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030626/media_nm/media_advertising_music_dc_3

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030626/ap_en_mu/downloading_music_23

I really doubt this will work. If they are only targeting people in the US, and "large violators." I think they have lost their heads. They are going to upset people to the point where their sales will decline more... Personally I don't use Kazaa or the others, I never got into music enough to start. If I want to hear music I can turn on the radio. This has the potential to do some damage to some unlucky people. :(

Cheers!
-Niann

[fester8542]

They are planning on lawsuits with damages of $750 to $150,000 per song on your system.

Ummm.....I would owe like?

300 Million dollars....

[Soul]

:-\

[asphaltcowboy]

375million over here ;)

[Kitiara]

I think I'm gonna have to sell my house. :sure:

[asphaltcowboy]

It's pretty ridiculous... but not quite as ridiculous as saying they're gonna destroy the PCs of people with copied software.. lol? :)

[Soul]

As if they're gonna get everybody! :P

[Niann]

Yes but you, Asphaltcowboy, living in the UK are not tageted... So keep at it! :P Make up for the Americans who will stop. :thumb: ;)

Cheers!
-Niann

[asphaltcowboy]

Originally posted by Soul
As if they're gonna get everybody! :P they're trying to make examples of a few individuals :P

[Kitiara]

Get everything while you can... :evil:

[Soul]

"It would begin searching Internet file-sharing networks Thursday to identify music fans who offer "substantial" collections of MP3 song files for downloading. It urged users to remove popular music-sharing software or adjust program settings to prevent such downloads."

I think they're bluffing. How are they going to find out who people are through Kazaa?

- Soul :s:

[asphaltcowboy]

they'd have to log onto Kazaa themselves! lool :)

what I'm thinking is: what about people with firewalls? :P

[Kitiara]

Presumably by scanning the shared folders of the users. But if the music isn't viewable on your HD, then how will they know?

<b>*Moves all mp3's to zip drive*</b>

[asphaltcowboy]

*starts saving for a dvd-rw* :beam:

[ahmed]

interesting,, but i really don't think they really are gonna be able to track users.. even if they did, avoiding being tracked is going to be as easy as selecting the 'Disable sharing files with other users' feature.. I realize that it would make it harder to find files on the network, but no one's going to get sues or will have to pay a single penny :)

[telekinesis]

They can burn in hell, my 2K+ songs are not moving anywhere ;)

[Kitiara]

Hehe... <b>*Strokes DVD-RW drive*</b>

[asphaltcowboy]

Originally posted by ahmed
avoiding being tracked is going to be as easy as selecting the 'Disable sharing files with other users' features.. yes.. but that's the idea... y'see... if everyone does that... no one is sharing.. then who do you download from? :P

[Soul]

*changes the only shared folder to an empty one* :bad:

- Soul :s:

[ahmed]

Originally posted by asphaltcowboy
yes.. but that's the idea... y'see... if everyone does that... no one is sharing.. then who do you download from? :P I edited my post ;)

[asphaltcowboy]

lol - the point is, they still win. :)

[ahmed]

but we don't lose anything.. we don't pay for all the music we've taken.. :)

[asphaltcowboy]

yes.. we win that battle.. but they win the war.. since all future releases won't be shared...

[Soul]

We should wait dormant for a month or so then everyone in the world log back on at the same time and share :bad:

Mwhahaha hahahah hahaha (evil laugh fades into the night) haha













ha

[Kitiara]

Hmmm. When we met him, we never realised he was an insane criminal mastermind... :P

[λ]

It is actually very technically easy to find out who you are through a file sharing program. All you do is connect to the person who has the illegal file, then do a netstat from the command line and get their IP. Then you could force the ISP to give you the name of who had the IP at the time, and sue them.

But I don't care at all. There are a hell of a lot of P2P users. 4 million would be about the number of people that fall into this 'severe' category. It takes the RIAA about two weeks to prosecute the average p2p user.

4,000,000 x 2 = 8,000,000
8,000,000/52 = 153846

Therefore it would take the RIAA about 153,000 years to prosecute all of these users. I don't think that's going to happen, unless the RIAA are really cyborgs that live forever :P .

[Soul]

:bad:

[lostinbeta]

I saw this on my local news last night. It made me angry because I only download music that I can't buy here in the US (well unless I have it imported and make myself pay twice as much for the cd).

Well anyway, I wonder if they can charge you for songs by bands that support file sharing. There are some out there. I mean it wouldn't make sense to sue if you shared music and the creator of the music didn't mind it being shared.

[teet]

somebody once told me that it wasn't illegal to download the mp3's if you actually owned the cd....when you bought the cd you were actually buying the SONGS not the piece of plastic

if this was true (sounds reasonable enough), how are they going to prove that the person doesn't actually own all the cd's?

-teet

[Kitiara]

A lot of the mp3's I have on my HD I also have the CDs for. But I got individual tracks because I like having a selection to listen to while I'm doing stuff. :)

[lostinbeta]

Well if you are sharing your files you are offering them to other people.

So even if you buy a cd, you are allowed to have the songs on your computer, but you aren't allowed to redistribute the songs at cost or for free.


That would most likely be their defense.

[lostinbeta]

Oh, and another thing. Do they really think it is reasonable to buy an entire CD if say... you only liked 1 or 2 songs from that CD.

I don't think 1 or 2 songs is worth $17 USD (varies of course, but that is the common rate at stores around here)... sorry, but I don't think so.

Will the creators of the music create singles for each song on their CDs? Probably not, so where does that leave the people who like 1 or 2 songs?

It leaves them stuck with nothing to do but break the law :evil: (whether that be from borrowing a friends CD and copying the song, or downloading it)

[pinx]

Originally posted by Soul
"It would begin searching Internet file-sharing networks Thursday to identify music fans who offer "substantial" collections of MP3 song files for downloading. It urged users to remove popular music-sharing software or adjust program settings to prevent such downloads."

I think they're bluffing. How are they going to find out who people are through Kazaa?

- Soul :s:


sony found me out, downloading the whole korn untouchables album just because i had sharing turned on. they sent an email to my boss. it was mainly a cease and desist email.

i desisted.

[Soul]

:-\

[mjULTRA]

Hey pinx, it serves you right.... didn't you know that the new Korn album was 'untouchable'?



haha j/k :P

[Jubba]

Originally posted by ahmed
interesting,, but i really don't think they really are gonna be able to track users.. even if they did, avoiding being tracked is going to be as easy as selecting the 'Disable sharing files with other users' feature.. I realize that it would make it harder to find files on the network, but no one's going to get sues or will have to pay a single penny :)

Yeah, like njs said, everytime you connect for an upload or download, your IP is broadcasted and its pretty easy to find it out. Then just call up the ISP and get the address of the user. My understanding is they are really only targeting the distrubitors, not the downloaders. I want to see them bust in on a distrubutor only to find a huge collection of CDs as well. Then they wouldn't be able to do anything because he owns all of the disks as well.

[asphaltcowboy]

Originally posted by njs12345
Therefore it would take the RIAA about 153,000 years to prosecute all of these users. I don't think that's going to happen, unless the RIAA are really cyborgs that live forever :P . dont be silly. they just sue the arses of a few people and spread the word. they only need to make an example of a few people before the other start to get worried.

[NaliWarCow]

Good, they're only going after people who dl songs off kazaa. Glad I don't illegally dl songs off Kazaa

They'll never win. They're just trying to scare people so they'll stop dl'ing.

[Jubba]

there will always be an outlet for free media, the record companies should embrace it. I have more respect for artists that allow people to download their songs. They are the bands that I acutally buy the CDs of.

[NaliWarCow]

Now, we've just got to wait a few hours before riaa.com gets hacked again. I wonder what it'll be this time. Maybe the hackers will make it so you can dl kazaa or songs right off their site. That'd be so cool.

[Jubba]

lol that would be awesome.

I saw a report that the number of CD sales decreased from 315 million to 275 million

Now, I'll admit that is a rather large decrease... but the music on the market today is crap! Thats why they keep going down from year to year! If they were putting out good music, I'm sure that people would be more than willing to buy a CD but bands today are putting 3 good songs on a CD and then making 12 crappy songs...

I dunno... I'm looking forward to buying the Audioslave CD tho... :)

[NaliWarCow]

Yep, agreed Jubba. Most bands have been making single CD's. They make a cd that has 1 or 2 good songs. Then they just put horrible garbage to fill it up and get the extra $10 for it being a full cd and not just a single.

But since it seems the bubblegum pop is dying, more of the bands are going the rock route, and they're putting out cd's that are full of good songs. My philosophy is that if more than half the songs on a cd are good, then i'll buy it.

And your footer has confused me. Does the color go by time? Or how come all of your footers on the same page are the same color, but each time you load the page, it's a different color.

[Jubba]

the footer is a PHP script that generates a random image from an array of images I created in photoshop. The next step is to have the PHP code, completely create the images. :)

[thoriphes]

I heard about this all over tonight's news. It's a shame, the RIAA is really cracking down this time. Still it won't stop me from downloading occasionaly MP3s, even though I buy the CD thereafter if i like the band. But what it does change is my feelings of hatred toward them. I don't hate them anymore....I hate them infinitely more. What they don't realize is that their claims are wrong. They're saying that MP3s are diminishing CD sales, which is absolute bull. Just now, I bought a CD of an artist whose MP3s i have on my computer. Am I to feel guilty anymore? I paid my $15, RIAA get off my ***. they can't say I can't have my MP3s because of copyright infringement. I'll shove each an every one of my CDs right up theirs. The real reason why CD sales are going down is because of their prices to begin with. Why pay your $12-$22 for a CD with a single you keep hearing on the radio? What if the rest of the material is nothing like that single? You're out of the money since you only bought that CD for that single. I'm not presuming all CDs are like this, but what if you only like one or two songs out of, say 15? Woe to the artists, I am not demeaning their talent, but would you feel less discouraged if the CD only cost $5? At least in that case you can't feel that you're out $10 on songs. It costs pennies to reproduce each CD, case, cover, and inlet, yet they can inflate the price > 1000%??? The RIAA is not protecting the artists, they're protecting the business. Why do you think they back the sales of CDs? It's all about the money. Some artists don't care if people download their MP3s (Limp Bizkit, Offspring to name a few) and I respect that, but I also respect those who do care; I have given them my money time and time again.

Lower the prices of CDs, to at least $10 for major label companies, and i'll uninstall my Kazaa.

[Jubba]

yeah there are a few that have encouraged their fans to download music as well... OAR is a big one, also Dave Matthews Band...

its a way to spread your voice and get people to hear you... why destroy that?

[lostinbeta]

I've found new music on Kazaa that I bought CDs for. File sharing is a great way for finding new bands, and is definitely better than listening to the same old played out crap off the radio.

[thoriphes]

my thoughts exactly. imo, radio destroys songs for me.

[Alex]

Originally posted by thoriphes
my thoughts exactly. imo, radio destroys songs for me.

around here, they play the song every 10 min. I stopped listening to the radio, it just causes me to get mad.:angry: :trout: :thumb:

[lostinbeta]

Same thing here Alex. Over and over and over.

And around here they like to play out songs by bands like Creed, and Pearl Jam. Now I know a lot of people like them, but I don't! There are no stations around here that play music I like, just stations that occasionally play music I like.

[telekinesis]

If I hear 50 Cent - In Tha Club one more time on the radio I am going to murder someone!

[thoriphes]

i don't listen to the rap music. nothing like those days of the funk.

*thrusts pelvis* UNGH!

[lostinbeta]

I don't listen to rap either, I stay far from those stations :P

[morse]

Hehe... *Strokes Kit*

... :sure: oops :thumb:

[morse]

What many rap enthusiasts don’t realize is that rappers are rapping to techno :P

[nobody]

hahah.. nice stealing on a line morse:beam:

[Illuminae]

good idea #1:
i am going to make 1,200 copies of one of the songs that i have written, recorded and copyrighted to myself. then i am going to name it 1200 different names of the most popular songs on the net. then i will just leave kazaa running all the time, sit back, and wait. let those f*ckers try. they will never take away file sharing.

[morse]

28 - :thumb: learned from the best!

Everybody - DAVE MATHEWS IS KING, AND THIS FURTHER PROVES THAT POINT.

[Demonia]

Thoriphes, you hit the nail on the head.

If you are a true artist what do you want more than anything? IMO it is to be known and listened to, right? But what everyone is ranting about is the fact that they are losing money so in other words it is no longer about expressing yourself through your music but more about expanding your bank account through your music. I personally think it is sick that these people earn so much just for singing and acting - come on people... the big actors get paid 20 mil for 6 months work and most of them can't act. Singers make huge sales and they can't even sing (they should be bowing and praying to computers every morning and evening cause that's the reason they make money). I mean think about how many concerts these pop artists have (live I mean) and when they do have them you can barely hear their voice over the music ... ridiculous. And they make a ton of money for what ... having the right face and body and the right time cause it sure ain;t the voice or the music cause they don't write it anyway. So someone please tell me why I should pay $17 - 20 a CD (prices in Romania) when the average here wage si $100 per month and it only costs them maybe 5 cents a CD? Talk about a ripoff. I have bought plenty of CD's in the past but when I end up with one song I like and 12 that suck then what the hell is the point? And anyway - the more they try to forbid it the more it will happen (child psychology - tell him he can't do something and he will try to find a way to do it). Allow it and it will probably decrease... just my opinion anyway.
I honestly don't download that much music - it's my 15 and 16 year old sisters who do :D . If I download one song a month then that;s a lot but I just do not appreciate this control they are trying to impose.

D :D

[sintax321]

redGolgi for the love of god don't do that. Sometimes all i want is to hear a song or 2 from a CD to see if it is worth buying and it really gets to me when i have to downlaod 300 versions of a song before i find the right one. For that main reason i kind of gave up file sharing. I haven't burnt a mix disc in close to a year and i maybe download 4 songs a month or less.

Let them waste time prosicuting individuals it will cost them more then they will ever lose in CD sales.

[mlk]

What did we do before p2p arrived ? We actually copied the CDs from friends who had them. If p2p apps ever stop one day people will always find a way to get free music.

[sintax321]

mlk has a great point. We had a guy in high school who used to make mix tapes off the radio and sell them.

[Illuminae]

Originally posted by sintax321
redGolgi for the love of god don't do that. Sometimes all i want is to hear a song or 2 from a CD to see if it is worth buying and it really gets to me when i have to downlaod 300 versions of a song before i find the right one. For that main reason i kind of gave up file sharing. I haven't burnt a mix disc in close to a year and i maybe download 4 songs a month or less.

Let them waste time prosicuting individuals it will cost them more then they will ever lose in CD sales.

my songs are good :(





heheh. dont worry, ill put a disclaimer on all of them, in the description ill put SPAM, and then youll know they are fakes!

[sintax321]

That would be good. I always check the little info box now before i download.

[mdipi]

http://www.boycott-riaa.com/

This is really getting to me. I buy a CD listen to it maybe one time all the way through (unless its a really good band that i like) and its one or two songs from that point on. These guys wont win no matter what, maybe a battle or two but face it in the end free music will win the war. Look at Morpheus. They beat the RIAA in court. The thing that makes me mad is that its working. KaZaA reported a 1 million user drop. Its like come on! But its good that some bands do support file sharing. Those are the bands that I think are in it more than just to get rich, maybe they acctually care about the music? Or am i just being nieve? This just pisses me off, my library isnt going anywhere.

[Delsaber]

I, for one, will not stop file sharing. I find a song that I like, I download it then if I really like it I go and buy the CD. File sharing is a god-send for new bands to get known. Down with the RIAA!

[Delsaber]

Oh, by the way, what do you think of the song "Free" by Powerman5000. I just heard it on the radio today, that song is cool.

[Delsaber]

Just a thought, but wouldn't XM Satellite Radio be some form of piracy? They own the music, but you pay them to listen to it. Wouldn't that be the same as someone buying the CD then selling burnt copies of it?

[NaliWarCow]

Well to listen to FM/AM radio you don't even have to pay them. But artists don't care about people hearing their song on the radio, it's just a way for them to get their name out.

But they get mad when you have the ability to listen to it whenever you want (cd) without paying them. But who cares, as long as some 16 year old girl singing a song is making 300x more money than a teacher or police officer, I don't care if people stop buying their cd's.

[Soul]

Originally posted by NaliWarCowZ
But who cares, as long as some 16 year old girl singing a song is making 300x more money than a teacher or police officer, I don't care if people stop buying their cd's.
Amen to that Nali!!!!

- Soul :s:

[Niann]

Radio Stations, and I would assume XM stations pay every time they play a song on the radio. Granted its like $.25 or something small, but point being is that they do generate profits for the RIAA. They make up for this with all the ads they air. Although the radio station I worked at in collage didn't have to pay, but it was non for profit, so there may be an exception.

Cheers!
-Niann

[replode]

that guy from Utah is a major jackass if he thinks he has the right to hack in and destroy someones computer. what if he'd spent long hours working hard making a website for a client, and he was pretty much done, then some a-hole hacks in and destroys his computer. he has no right to touch anything on my computer. okay im done. sooner or later another file-sharing program will come out, like when napster went down, someone created a program that went around the law. after Kazaa and Morpheus go away, someone will create another, so its like they are fighting a war they cant win.

[asphaltcowboy]

some people would argue "what right do you have to download music illegally?" the key word being 'illegally' aka 'no rights whatsoever'.

[replode]

i understand that, but he doesnt have the right to invade my computer, cause that would be like invasion of privacy. so we're both in a pickle.:/

[asphaltcowboy]

chances are.. they wouldn't bother looking at anything, just destroy it ;)

but that's what they want to do: scare people into not having an illegally downloaded music files. if it's extreme enough to get people worried, they'll stop doing it. (assuming the the legislation actually goes through) someone will get caught, and the rumours/stories will spread like wildfire.

[Niann]

Damaging or destroying someones computer for D/L'ing copyrighted music, would be a violation of "Due Process." A right secured (in the US at least) by the Constitution. That will never happen. If this bill gets close to passing, someone will get an injunction and then take the case to the Supreme Court. One thing is for sure, it is going to get real ugly real fast... =0)

Cheers!
-Niann

[nheet]

I hope they don't do anything. I love kazaa.

[kirupa]

Here another interesting read involving the file-sharing problem: http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,59654,00.html :eye:

[UncleGuito]

all i use kazaa now is for downloading celebrity death match :).
but from the past years, i woudl own like 3 billion dollars. thats 90 gigs worth of music :) seriously


OH YEA, guys theres something better than kazaa. goto www.sharereactor.com and download emule. all the files are guarenteed to work and u get them from share reactor. when u click the file, it sens them to emule. great stuff.

[thoriphes]

ouch, jail and a fine for a single file. I really hope this bill doesn't pass through.

[sintax321]

Some times i'm glad i live in Canada. We got to many other problems for file sharing to be a concern of the government.

Or maybe they have been and I havne't noticed. I dont' watch or read the news any more so who maybe they have been cracking down.

[john vanlerberg]

Napster all over again.

**** you Lars, **** you to hell!

[cardjorg]

I heard that bands don't make a lot of profit out of their cd, they get their profit from their concerts,
and besides I've never heard about an artist teling people not to share their song, the recording company is the one that does that

[comicGeek]

Kazaa is best for downloading media. but to make yourself safe from the RIAA dont download mp3 files try anime instead! :P There are alot of rare animes out there that you can't buy anywhere!

[Laslett]

Originally posted by asphaltcowboy
*starts saving for a dvd-rw* :beam:

wanna borrow mine.

written out to dvd in pass protected compressed file

[APDesign]

I'm not worried because I don't use ****ty programs like Kazaa (Kazaa light is a little better, but not by much.) I use good programs like DC++ (Direct Connect) and Bit Torrent. There is a lot higher quality stuff with DC++ (and more specific to a genre or even band_ and torrents are generally much more solid, you know you are getting something good or no one would seed it. I don't worry that much since I mainly only download live stuff or things that are rare / they don't make anymore.

[ave]

Record labels and publishers earn enough money already, whenever they talk of piracy they wave figures around of how much thy lose like 5 mill or whatever, neglecting to mention their already vast profit margins on cds produced for about '1 pound' and sold for '14 pounds'.
Theyll never do it and if they do they wont enforce it, i mean recording films from television is illegal if you show the tape to others or keep it for more than a month, but suprisingly they never bother with it, as it would mean that 90% of the population of america and UK would be in jail :)