Coding in Coldfusion,asp,php,ruby,pytho,jsp??

[sandeep_cdac200]

hi all

i have been doing Flash programming for last two years.with release of AS3.0 we all know we have to learn a completely new language.but beside that i also wanna learn some server side language and it is where m bit confused.their are lot of server side technologies but i wanna get few points clear on those technologies.

a)JSP
b)PHP
c).NET
d)RUBY
E)Python(its django web framework)
F)Coldfusion(Being an adobe Flash developer is it best option to go with)

looking for all of u guys suggestions.

[simplistik]

If you can learn them all except Coldfusion... that crap is like the redheaded step child of programming languages, and should pooper scooped into a plane of non-existence.

[ramie]

If you can learn them all except Coldfusion... that crap is like the redheaded step child of programming languages, and should pooper scooped into a plane of non-existence.

Based on?

[sandeep_cdac200]

i am not intersted in all languages i have mentioned.i just wanna know which of these is useful from a flash developer point of view.

[simplistik]

i am not intersted in all languages i have mentioned.i just wanna know which of these is useful from a flash developer point of view.
Then PHP, ASP, and .NET


Based on?
Personal opinion.

[ramie]

Personal opnion :lol: sorry that don't wash with me, but you are entitled to it none the less.

You will more than likely find the most information on PHP/Flash or CF/Flash integration out there, ruby is easy to integrate with flash but not a lot of docs out there on how to do it so you may end up in trouble and have to do it by using your own head (shock), ruby is a lovely language to program in however.

JSP, Coldfusion and .NET are better suited for medium to large scale application, mostly due to the level of skill required from the developer and the licensing costs.

[simplistik]

Personal opnion :lol: sorry that don't wash with me, but you are entitled to it none the less.And your opinion about how you feel about it my opinion doesn't matter to me either... so I guess we're all set w/ that ;) :thumb: I missed the part where an opinion has to be substantiated through a 100 page blog, and then approved by some form of God, for it to be valid.

[ramie]

easy tiger, I just think it would be nice to know why someone says something is bad, rather than just say it with no fact to back it up, esp. as the guy is looking for advice, no 100 page blog posts involved, just a sentence would do.

[Charleh]

Actually I'd bed to differ on the .NET side of things, the learning curve is very easy to follow and you can get the web dev version of it free from the MS webby along with SQL Express and Reporting Services. It's worth at least looking at .NET as it's probably a bit easier to get into than PHP.

[foodpk]

I second simplistik's claim that ColdFusion is complete and utter crap. So now it's not personal opinion, it's popular opinion, ha!
If you know the basic principles and practices of programming, learning any of them enables you to then grab and start learning another without too much hassle (especially for PHP, Python and RoR). If you're doing PHP, I recommend CodeIgniter, which is kind of like Rails or Django, but for PHP and it's damn good, very lightweight and doesn't get in your way but actually enables you to work faster.
Most Flash serverside interaction is done via the means of XML (at least it was back in the days when I was really into Flash, haha) and any of those languages can output XML.

[sandeep_cdac200]

well i know coldfusion's syntax is bit odd as compare to other languages but the features they are giving in coldfusion8 are great.the most intersting one is image manipulation and with more tightly integration with flash i was looking forward to that.As Adobe has opened source flash player i think in near future they also do something like this to coldfusion to make it more popular platform or may change its whole structure as they done with Actionscript in AS3.0. May be i am totally in dreams but thats what i am thinking about adobe's strategies now.they have been developing good desingning tools(like photoshop,premier etc) but on the Development frontier they have nothing to offer before they purchase macromedia.Now After purchasing macromedia thay have owned Flash Player which runs on almost any platform.Then they release Flex2.0 to target enterprise market and thats why they changed its whole structure.now Adobe releases AIR(Adobe integrated runtime) for crossplatform application development.so this whole thing makes me intersted in adobe technologies and their only server-side technology is coldfusion.

Although i personally ike python and ruby and i beleive that open source is the way to go.but as i mentioned above Adobe's future planing make me to stick and start with coldfusion.

Am i totally on different planet or should i start learning with ruby or php?

Looking forward for ur advice!

[AgentFitz]

If you can learn them all except Coldfusion... that crap is like the redheaded step child of programming languages, and should pooper scooped into a plane of non-existence.

I couldn't disagree more, here are a few reasons why:

1) Super easy tag based syntax leads to super short learning curve for people with xhtml background
2) Designed for super rapid development, very efficient and can generate desired functionality with less code
3) Excellent integration with other Adobe products (dynamically generate flash forms, flash data grids, pdf's, built in programmatic image manipulation)
4) Outstanding development community and fantastic learning resources
5) Object oriented development style (through ColdFusion components) helps you cleanly separate presentation from business logic, thus improving code maintainability
6) Widely available and community supported frameworks designed to further speed development and limit tedious coding www.mach-ii.com (http://www.mach-ii.com/), http://www.model-glue.com/
7) Did I mention fantastic developer community? www.houseoffusion.com (http://www.houseoffusion.com/)
8) Growing and evolving technology, more users everyday and Adobe just released ColdFusion 8 on July 30th 2007 the most highly anticipated release to date
9) FREE plugin (www.cfeclipse.org (http://www.cfeclipse.org/)) for FREE Eclipse (www.eclipse.org (http://www.eclipse.org/)) development environment which is consistently updated and maintained by CF community, notably lead developer Mark Drew
10) Built in Ajax widgets and javascript functionality for super easy client side form validation, date pickers, etc. that further enhances rapid development
11) Plenty of available jobs with more popping up everyday. (http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=coldfusion)
12) Many affordable ColdFusion supported hosting solutions
13) Much, much more.

ColdFusion is a fantastic development choice; I absolutely love the language.

[SteelLionPHP]

blah blah blah. Popular opinion is the only thing that matters. Get with the program. I remember Coldfusion it reminds me of those ColdHeat soldering tools. They too, belong in the landfill with the old Atari E.T. cartridges. Opinion based on these nuts.

[AgentFitz]

blah blah blah. Popular opinion is the only thing that matters. Get with the program. I remember Coldfusion it reminds me of those ColdHeat soldering tools. They too, belong in the landfill with the old Atari E.T. cartridges.

haha, damn you're cool. and corny. :)


Opinion based on these nuts.

I love you got so defensive about it and yet didn't respond with anything even remotely close to relevant. That's worth at least a good chuckle. :thumb2:

[Seb Hughes]

Arn't Myspace the only real users of coldfusion. I think myspace its slow and crappy. Myspace does not offer a rich browsing experience, more like a 1995 browsing experience. Hence the reason I only had a profile for 2 seconds. I like PHP, but there are so many languages. Most sites rely on multiple languages.

[AgentFitz]

Arn't Myspace the only real users of coldfusion.

Look here for a list of top companies using ColdFusion:

http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/customers/

Cheers,
Fitz

[hl]

You've got to admit though, it's much easier to get help and resources for PHP (relative to the rest of the languages). That contributes to it's small learning curve.

[AgentFitz]

You've got to admit though, it's much easier to get help and resources for PHP (relative to the rest of the languages). That contributes to it's small learning curve.

I don't doubt that there are many great resources to learn PHP, in fact I'm sure there are!

But, there are also many great resources to learn ColdFusion:

to name a few:
http://www.easycfm.com/tutorials/index.cfm?dirView=True
http://www.houseoffusion.com
http://www.benforta.com
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/coldfusion/
http://www.cfsearch.com/
http://www.cfoop.org
http://www.fusionauthority.com/

This ColdFusion stud (Charlie Arehart) has compiled a list of recorded presentations from conferences and made them available here:
http://www.carehart.org/ugtv/

[hl]

www.wacom.com - another proud coldfusion produced website :P