what's the fastest way to lose weight?

[eilsoe]

any thoughts?


except of course the fat-sucker...

[reverendflash]

amputation...

;)

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[eilsoe]

c'mon :sure:

I need all my bodyparts ;)

[morse]

Exercise

[RvGaTe]

dont eat and die, there ya go, 400 pounds less ! :P

i say just eat healty food.... and go for a jogging-walk every evening

[pinx]

half all the food you eat. eat a breakfast every day. not too much not too little. eat carbs in the morning (breads, etc.) and protein in the afternoons (eggs, meat, etc). don't eat too late or before going to bed. also, instead of unhealthy snacks like chocolate, candy, etc. eat fruits or vegetables or nuts (be careful on the nut quanitites, also loaded with calories).

of course, exercise every day and drink at least 8 glasses of water. if you exercise heavily, drink more than 8 glasses. limit coffee/tea to one cup a day (they dehydrate the body). usually a good rule of thumb is when you drink a cup of coffee, soda, tea, alcohol, drink a glass of water for every cup. it replenishes the liquids in your body.

also, alcohol is LOADED with calories, so be careful if you do drink.

[eilsoe]

thx pinx :)

[Raydred]

I think the fastest way to lose weight would be to go into space. You'll lose like all your weight. =)

hehe

[reverendflash]

Originally posted by pinx
half all the food you eat. eat a breakfast every day. not too much not too little. eat carbs in the morning (breads, etc.) and protein in the afternoons (eggs, meat, etc). don't eat too late or before going to bed. also, instead of unhealthy snacks like chocolate, candy, etc. eat fruits or vegetables or nuts (be careful on the nut quanitites, also loaded with calories).

of course, exercise every day and drink at least 8 glasses of water. if you exercise heavily, drink more than 8 glasses. limit coffee/tea to one cup a day (they dehydrate the body). usually a good rule of thumb is when you drink a cup of coffee, soda, tea, alcohol, drink a glass of water for every cup. it replenishes the liquids in your body.

also, alcohol is LOADED with calories, so be careful if you do drink.

That's what they taught us in Nutrition Class...

yup, I agree... less calories + more exercise = weight loss...

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[pinx]

oh and i forgot to mention...when you exercise try to do at least 30 minutes of aerobic exercise EVERY day. this is not weight lifting, it's riding your bike, running, walking, something to get your heart pumping.

then three times a week, or more if you want, lift weights and do muscle strenghtening.

[reverendflash]

they taught us that anything under 20 minutes of continued exercise was virtually useless, unless extremely cardio intensive...

30 minutes for women...

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[pinx]

Originally posted by reverendflash
That's what they taught us in Nutrition Class...

yup, I agree... less calories + more exercise = weight loss...

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it worked for me and it's still working. i started working out one month and 20 days ago ago. i weighed myself after a month and i was 7 pounds lighter and dropped a dress size. i haven't weighed myself this month but i'm sure i lost more weight, cause my pants are really loose.

[eilsoe]

is there a way to speed it up?

[fester8542]

Hey Eilsoe....

We had a similar discussion last week....

Check these out bro :)


I put this low carb diet up for sureshot last week

http://www.bestondesign.com/kirupa/low_carb_diet.pdf

Here are some good workout ideas in this thread too

http://www.kirupaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25786&perpage=15&highlight=atkins&pagenumber=1

[SureShot]

Here's my little success story.

I need to lose a few pounds and in 2 and a half weeks I have lost 12 pounds :) All I have done is cut down what I eat, and making sure not too eat anything too bad. It's all about moderation. I eat like 5 or 6 times a day but I have very small meals each time. This way your metabolisim is constantly working. One thing I have done is cut down on the carbs I eat. If I have a bowl of cereal in the morning than I dont eat a sandwich for lunch and visa versa. It's worked great so far. I am also excercising about 4 times a week with cardio each of those days. I recommend the cross trainer - very low impact and very effective.

Also, if you want to work out - work out BEFORE you do your cardio. (well do about 5 min of warm up and then work out) the reason for this is your body will burn your carbs while you are lifting weights as your muscles tear and rebuild and you of course need the energy. Then go to the bike and since you have worked through a lot of carbs your body should be on to the fat. That's what the trainer at the gym told me :)

Good luck!

[pinx]

well you can speed it up by not eating and doing only exercise. but somehow, i don't think that's very good for you.

the healthiest way to lose weight is to lose up to 2 pounds per week. that's the limit. if you do more than that, you're losing weight in an unhealthy way. you'll just be really hungry after a while, you'll go into an eating rampage and will put on even more weight, INSTEAD of losing it.

if you lose weight the way i told you, it will stay off if you keep it up and you'll be unlikely to gain it all back after a month. it's a lifestyle, just think of it that way.

[pinx]

Originally posted by SureShot
Here's my little success story.

I need to lose a few pounds and in 2 and a half weeks I have lost 12 pounds :) All I have done is cut down what I eat, and making sure not too eat anything too bad. It's all about moderation. I eat like 5 or 6 times a day but I have very small meals each time. This way your metabolisim is constantly working. One thing I have done is cut down on the carbs I eat. If I have a bowl of cereal in the morning than I dont eat a sandwich for lunch and visa versa. It's worked great so far. I am also excercising about 4 times a week with cardio each of those days. I recommend the cross trainer - very low impact and very effective.

Also, if you want to work out - work out BEFORE you do your cardio. (well do about 5 min of warm up and then work out) the reason for this is your body will burn your carbs while you are lifting weights as your muscles tear and rebuild and you of course need the energy. Then go to the bike and since you have worked through a lot of carbs your body should be on to the fat. That's what the trainer at the gym told me :)

Good luck!

yeah i've heard that works too. i HAVE to have carbs in the morning, or my blood sugar level goes down really low and i keep making up for it all day and eat twice the calories i normally would.

[SureShot]

Pinx - I think mine has come off so quick cause I have a few extra that werent supposed to be there. I know it's going to slow down - and thats cool with me.

Just make sure to always eat and never starve yourself. Pinx is right - you will always gain weight if you do it this way because when you "Yo Yo" back up, the weight comes twice as fast and twice as easy.

[pinx]

the key is in breakfast. if you eat a balanced breakfast, it will pay off. eat a bagel or cereal (some kind of bread) for the carbs, and try and eat a piece of fruit. milk doesn't hurt either (lowfat though).

this way, you won't be starving till lunch and can get a normal portion for lunch, instead of a huge one.

[pinx]

elisoe,

just remember: one pound=3,500 calories

so if you want to lose one pound in a week, you need to expend an extra 3,500 calories. or you can expend some of them, and cut some of them out of your food.

[Coolidge]

avoid soda. It will slow everything down.

Swimming laps is a good way to trim weight fast.

Remember, muscle weighs more that fat...so if you start lifting weights and running a lot, but the scale doesn't show you a major loss, don't freak out.

Drink plenty of water.

Eat foods that help you....well....crap.

I know it sounds gross, but if you aren't 'going', then your body isn't 'filtering' well and that is very important.

AVOID-trend diets.

Good Luck!:s:

[pinx]

going along with what coolidge said,

the foods that will make you crap is the fiber rich foods. fruits, veggies, breads, etc. will make you REGULAR. so get at least 25 grams of fiber a day, and you'll be nice n regular.

[SureShot]

Originally posted by Coolidge


AVOID-trend diets.

Good Luck!:s:

I agree - I tried the Atkins Diet and felt very light headed and dizzy, I need carbs. It's all about being smart. If you think "this is prolly bad for me" than it probably is :)

[pinx]

especially when the guy who invented the atkins diet died from a heart attack. haha

[Coolidge]

especially when the guy who invented the atkins diet died from a heart attack.

That was great. So is crapping. :D

[pinx]

what can i say, i'm very amusing today.

[teet]

I would start working out first before I started worrying too much about my caloric intake...if you cut your calories too much and start working out, your body may think it's in a starving situation, thus clinging to every ounce of body fat it can. So I would say, start working out...then about a month later start cutting back on the amount of calories you eat everyday...nothing drastic, like maybe 10% at first. Then see where you are and make adjustments accordingly.

Also, there are a lot of fat burners out on the market today. I've never used any, but I think they get a lot of bad rap they don't deserve...so what, one or two out of shape people don't follow the directions on the label and end up dying from taking them. You may want to try something like Hydroxycut or Xenadrine or Stacker 2 (I would prolly stay away from anything with effedra though--I just don't trust it).

-teet

[pinx]

unless you're like 200 pounds overweight, i don't think you should be on fat burner pills.

[telekinesis]

Do:

Choline and carnitine!

Don't do:

Ephedra

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[pinx]

are you gonna stop editing your post?

[telekinesis]

no :P

[eilsoe]

phew.. I just took 40 minutes on a stairmaster... :)

I think it was about 1597 steps in total (it has a counter) :P

[pinx]

stairmaster kick my arse. were you dripping with sweat when you got done?

[eilsoe]

oh yeah!!

[Whippersnapper]

My little brother just started taking some kind of fat burner from GNC so it'll be awhile before he knows if it works.

[Whippersnapper]

Originally posted by pinx
elisoe,

just remember: one pound=3,500 calories

so if you want to lose one pound in a week, you need to expend an extra 3,500 calories. or you can expend some of them, and cut some of them out of your food.

I heard that getting it on burns like 350 calories. So get it on 10 times a week, and you'll be well on your way. I think this is probably the most preferred way to lose weight.

[SureShot]

Originally posted by pinx
especially when the guy who invented the atkins diet died from a heart attack. haha

NO he didnt, he died because he fell on some ice and had a brain hemorage. It was not a Heart Attack - it was a head injury.

The more ya know ;)

[pinx]

Originally posted by Whippersnapper
I heard that getting it on burns like 350 calories. So get it on 10 times a week, and you'll be well on your way. I think this is probably the most preferred way to lose weight.

oh and that would be so great for you!

[pinx]

Originally posted by SureShot
NO he didnt, he died because he fell on some ice and had a brain hemorage. It was not a Heart Attack - it was a head injury.

The more ya know ;)

well anyways, who gives a ****. it's still unhealthy, just as all the other fad diets are.

[Whippersnapper]

A fad is short lived. This guy pimped his diet for like 20 years.

[SureShot]

I agree Pinx, but it's not exactly a "fad" diet - it's been around for about 15 years...

[telekinesis]

Choline and carnitine is the best fat loss duo and is safe!

Off course you could take Stacker 2 or Ripped Fuel but when I took those it may have worked but it isn't good for your liver and it destroys all the H2O in your muscles if you don't drink enough water.

This all will work must faster and better with a steady excersize plan, I could customize you one that I have set up some clients with if you want me to?

[Whippersnapper]

My little brother told me he was hella thirsty so I guess I'll pass the word on.

[eilsoe]

hey dan, that'd be awesome =)

those fat burner pills, where can such be obtained? and at what cost?

[telekinesis]

Here are some products that contain Ephedra plant ("ma huang") A.K.A. Ephedrine Alkaloids:

Metabolife, Hydroxycut, Herbalife, Herbalite, Stackers, Ripped Fuel, Extreme Ripped Force, Diet Fuel, GH Fuel, Herba Fuel, Metabolife, MetaboLift, ThermiCare, ETA Stack, Xenadrine RFA-1, Ultimate Orange, Thermogenic Power, and BetaLean.

The FDA is currently taking action to require manufacturers to place warning labels on the front of all products containing ephedra about the risks of heart attack, seizure, stroke and death.

Of the adverse events reported, 47% involved cardiovascular symptoms, while 18% involved the central nervous system. Hypertension was the single most frequent adverse reaction, followed by tachycardia, stroke and seizures. Ten of the recorded cases resulted in death and 13 events produced permanent disability. In total, the FDA has reported over 40 deaths and over 800 serious side effects linked to Ephedrine.

If you let your little brother take it and he is under the age of 18 it could stump his growth. It can also cause him to become dehydrated and pass out (especially while driving), cannot be taken before you sleep or you will become an instant insomniac and may cause some users to break out.

I am an informed trainer at Pure Fitness (my local gym) I am only saying this to help you out, I am not trying to be a jerk telling you what you are doing is wrong, it will work, but there are too many risks involved, there are other prefered methods. If he does keep on taking it don't let him take more than 24mg a day.

[eilsoe]

oki then :) back to the stairmaster :P

[telekinesis]

Stick to a lot of meat, preferably chicken and fish, not too much beef (steaks or organic hamburger meat is fine). Low sugar and fat. You need carbs for energy, but don't over do it. Vegetable and fruit is a need. Vitamins and minerals, get them all! I take SeaSilver for all of my daily vitamins and minerals, I also take flax oils which is good for you immune system which cleans out your liver and helps you from getting sick. Choline and carnitine is what else I take to get the ripped look, all you 6-8 pack people probably know what I mean if you go to the gym. It will lean out your muscle and show definition as well as a lot of fat (especially in the abdominal area).

[eilsoe]

okey, but a lot of those products can't be bought in denmark I think :)

[Whippersnapper]

Originally posted by telekinesis


If you let your little brother take it and he is under the age of 18 it could stump his growth. It can also cause him to become dehydrated and pass out (especially while driving), cannot be taken before you sleep or you will become an instant insomniac and may cause some users to break out.



He's 19 but still my little brother, and he drives a delivery truck for a furniture store. Hahahaha!

[rere420]

Sorry guys, this may be long! There are tons of opinions on how to lose weight so, I thought I would bring my expertise to the forum!! I am certified in this type of thing

your advice teet is good, if you start cutting back to much to quick, your body will cling to every ounce of body fat and start to burn your muscle instead, your metabolism will slow quickly... you want to keep that!! It is up to you if you want to start with the diet first or with the workout first..totally a preference thing!

2-3lbs a week is healthy after the initial changes in your diet..if you are over weight, you will lose a significant amount of weight with even small changes. 8-10 8 ounce glasses of water a day and when you are working out you should consume 8 ounces for every twenty minutes of exercise past your target heart rate (which is 85% of your heart rate) Mathmatically and logically, calories you expend must be greater then calories you consume.

eating 5-6 small meals a day will boost your metabolism and you will burn more fat. Up your fiber intake and protein intake-lower your carbs and your fats. you should never feel hungry..dont completely avoid foods that are bad for you becuase you will fall of the wagon and over indulge. Portion control is a huge factor, restuarants etc.. give way to much food these days! 2 liters of fluid also equals one pound, obviously you do not get rid of a sode bottle worth of fluid every day if you did you will be dehydrated! even though 3,500 calories equal one pound-DO NOT try to expend 3,500 just by working out, you will have a heart attack and quickly! It must be an egual balance of diet and exercise.

You should take a day and eat how you normally would-count those calories and subtract an amount that you feel is suitable and attainable-say if you eat 2500 for the first few weeks you subtract 500-cutting down right away to an 1500-1800 calorie diet will deprive your body! Not good.

The one thing they repeatedly told us when I became certified in the fitness fields, is that it is okay to cheat as long as you dont blow the whole day or week for that matter because of it! Set attainable goals, maybe instead of setting a goal weight, you set a goal pair of pants you want to wear by a certain date.
At some point you may hit a plateau, that is when you want to change it up and shock your body by changing your workout or cutting back more calories etc..

Cardio will help you lose the most actual calories, in turn fat but muscle building is needed and muscle weighs 4x more then fat, so you may look adn feel better but weigh around the same! Cardio machines give a mathematical equation on weight lose, they do not actually know how many calories you have burnt..It takes the weight you put in, the level you do thigns at and the amount of time and gives you what it thinks you burned, they are usually a little high but an okay indicator of caloric burn...

BTW pinx--the Robert Atkins actually died from a head injury that was a result of a fall on the ice, he was in a comma and never came out of it, Fester made the same mistake in the thread about teh atkins diet the other day!

Not all fat burners are bad! Ephedra can be scary if used improperly or with poeple w/heart disease etc... People who are bigger see a better result because they have more excess fat to shed, then those who feel they are 10-12 pounds over weight. I have said it a few times, your body wants to hold on to its nutrients and it feeds off of muscle and fat when we dont eat, so as we all know it is much easier to put on the it is to take off!!! Avoid appetite supressants you will only slow down your metabolism. Check with your doctor before a fat burner to make sure you are in okay shape health wise!

Hope that helped, if you have any questions, I would be glad to tell you what I have been taught, learned or seen in gyms etc..:) :)

[teet]

I'm a Biology major and will be working with a professor next year...I'm interested in this effedra thing. My professor does brain research (he gives meth to rats haha!)...maybe I could set up a project to test the effects of effedra?

Has anybody used NO2? I hear it's supposed to be like the next creatine.

-teet

[telekinesis]

Nitrous Oxide Fuelings before the gym, would that be healthy?

[Maxtr0sity]

I'm going to stick with the whole "Stop Eating" idea.

:)

I have a friend, fairly wide, who is on the Atkins Diet, he says that it works out fine for him. Even though he cheats like, everyday, he still manages to loose up to 2 pounds per week. Some say that diet has side-effects later in life from the stomach (or somewhere down there). But I'd recommend the diet because I've seen it work. :)

[telekinesis]

Just increase the intake amount of vegetable, fruits, and meat. Decrease the intake amounts of carbohydrates, sugars, and fats.

"Stop Eating" isn't going to help, might as well eat a bunch and stick your finger down your throat after you eat if you are going to take that path.

[Maxtr0sity]

Lol, that always works. Be annorexic for a week.

[pinx]

you mean bulimic, if you're going to induce vomiting.

[teet]

did you know...

that you don't have to vomit to be considered bulimic. you can also be bulimic if you exercise excessively as a way to purge your body!

holy crap, i learned something in my lifetime health and fitness class. two points for me :)

-teet

[turkey]

Is lifting weights a must? For now I am just eating less carbs and jogging two miles a day.

[eilsoe]

I have weights at home (conveniently ;)) so I use 'em.

and my mothers stairmaster too...

[teet]

sushis...lifting weights is not a must, but I would highly recommend it.

Personally, I find lifting weights to be a lot more fun than trudging through 40-60 minutes on an exercise bike or stairmaster.

Think of it this way. Lifting weights helps to increase your lean muscle mass, which in turn means that you'll burn more calories at everything you do...including sitting on your arse and watching tv or cruising through the forums. Recent evidence has also found that lifting weights significantly reduces your chance for heart disease. It was once thought that only cardio exercise was good for that.

Obviously, you might have a problem if you don't have any weight lifting equipment/money to join a gym. In this case, I would still recommend some strength training...there was this one professional football player (can't think of his name at the moment) that was huge and ripped and all he did was 5000 sit ups and 2500 pushups a day :)

bottom line: lift weights if you have access to them, if not keep doing what your doing and add in some crunches, pushups, pullups, etc.

-teet

[turkey]

We have a family membership to the YMCA but I'm too lazy to go and feel akward in the gyms and aerobic machine rooms. Also, I find it fun and refreshing to go outside and work out.I guess I should just go and lift some weights :) When I start, do you have any tips for beginning weight training?

[teet]

Let's see...for a beginner...first of all, don't be too intimidated by all the different machines. I didn't know what most of them did when I started lifting weights. Secondly, don't worry about how much weight your lifting when you're starting out. Pick weights that you are comfortable with and that allow you to do around 10 reps with good form. Good form is VERY IMPORTANT...I think it's funny when I see guys at the gym bouncing the bench press bar off their chest or really swinging their whole body to do an arm curl. Focus on having good form (try to eliminate momentum from movements).

For your workout, I would say do a total body workout 2-3 times a week for the first 6 weeks to 3 months. Learn what all the different exercises are, how to do them, and how much weight you can use with them. After you get the basics down pat (on machines and free weights), you may want to start splitting up the muscle groups you work. This might be what my lifting schedule looks like for a week.

Monday: Chest and Triceps
Tuesday: Cardio and Abs
Wednesday: Hamstrings and Biceps
Thursday: Off
Friday: Shoulders and Calves
Saturday: Back and Quadriceps
Sunday: Cardio and Abs

If you're serious about this, then I would suggest getting a subscription to Muscle and Fitness or some other muscle mag. They have lots of great info, workouts, and motivational stories.

If you have anymore questions let me know and I'll do my best to answer them.

-teet

P.S. Don't worry too much about that akward feeling in the gym...it will go away really quickly.

[thoriphes]

Originally posted by reverendflash
amputation...

;)

Revhttp://www.aulman.com/rev.gif :P

well you could do what the actors/actresses do and jog in a plastic suit.

the way i stay fit is through excercises everyday:

50 normal pushups in the morning, then run for an indeterminate distance, then come back and do 25 pullups: 10 hands forward, 10 hands back, 5 on parallel bars. then at night i do about 50 cobras (sorta like sit-ups, but your legs move too), and 50-75 chinese push-ups. i gained about 7 lbs doing it in a month. seeing as you want to lose weight, this sort of routine will get you fit, but not fat.

it's also about nutrition, try to have a salad as a meal. also have lots of water.

[eyezberg]

Turn back the dial by 50 pounds before you step on next time to check..[threadspam]

[rere420]

hey teet,

you seem to know what youa re talking about...you work out a lot?? You should think about a subscritption to Flex it is geared more towards muscle adn body building then muscle anf fitness, Fester gets Flex adn I get Muscle and Fitness Hers, so I read botha ll the time and if I was a guy (depending on your goals!) I would suggest Flex. Questions for you, how come a six day workout week??? Are you just starting or have you been doing it for a while???

[TOOL]

Grab a copy of Men's Health - pretty sure you have that in America... if not then my mistake. I have had a subscription to it for just about a year now and it really motivates you to excercise all the time. Although I don't hehehe... I'm too busy during uni but I'm going to try change that next semester :)

[fester8542]

Originally posted by teet

Monday: Chest and Triceps
Tuesday: Cardio and Abs
Wednesday: Hamstrings and Biceps
Thursday: Off
Friday: Shoulders and Calves
Saturday: Back and Quadriceps
Sunday: Cardio and Abs



Teet,
This is one odd workout regiment bro :)

If your are working out 6 days a week you are seriously over tranining. 5 days it pushing it.

Plus what I have read and learned on my own is not to mix upper and lower body routines on the same day. Your reducing the integrity of your workout.

Your legs are built as such that working, hamstrings, quads, glutes and calves on the same day are more effective in the longrun. For instance when you do hack squats on a plate loaded machine your working your quads and your glutes as a secondary.

Your legs can naturally endure much more than your upper body because of the amout you use them.

I guess everyone has routines that they are comfortable with but the best routine for solid lean muscle growth and definaition would be something like:

Monday - Chest
Tuesday - Back
Wed - Rest (or Legs) ( I dont work legs because mine are already too big to get into pants that fit my waist)
Thurs - Shoulders
Fri - Biceps and Triceps

A ten minute cardio warm up on a treadmil or trainer to maximize blood flow before the work out to ensure a sick pump.

Cardio can also be done at the end of your routine for added calorie consumption.

[rere420]

I am with you, but you know that cuz we have worked out at the same gym for many years!!!!

I tend to focus on certain body parts on certain days as well, so that I dont over load areas that dont need it, such as legs!!!

I am a girl though! So, I have a bigger focus on cardio and weight loss and weight balance, I tend to throw abdominals in almost everyday- The rectus abdominus is the only muscle in the body that is ALMOST impossible to overtrain! You can do it by tearing the msucle wall, but usually the only way to do that is if you are working out and pregnant!!!

Which, I am sure you guys dont have to worry about!!

[fester8542]

ha ha....

you said rectus...

[rere420]

I knew when I wrote that, that those would be your exact words---frigin dork!

[SureShot]

hahaha - I think it's love :)


Personally, when I work out I do cardio and abs every time. I usually go 4 times a week but only do weight training 3 of the days. But then again, I am trying to loose weight so cardio everyday is a good thing :)

[rere420]

yea sir!!!!

i also get in some amount of cardio and I always do abs, even if I have to do it at home or outside

[fester8542]

I also do abs daily.

I do upper abs one day then do lower abs the next.

[rere420]

how many times do i have to tell you!!! There is no such thing!!

It is one big muscle, you just isolate upper on one day and the lower part on the other!!!

Dummy!!!

[fester8542]

Originally posted by rere420
how many times do i have to tell you!!! There is no such thing!!

It is one big muscle, you just isolate upper on one day and the lower part on the other!!!

Dummy!!!

Im well aware of that you boob.

But I work the upper portion one day and the lower the next :)

::FLEX::

[SureShot]

hahahaha - Did you want us to leave you two alone... or what?

;) hehehe :)

[rere420]

I think I have had enough of Fester, to last me a life time!!!!!!

[SureShot]

:love:

Yup it's true love :)

[Jubba]

how do you go about isolating the upper/lower abs?

[rere420]

Well, to isolate the upper abs, you can do basic crunches, cable crunches are nice for them as well. Most men dont like them but stability blass, also called ab balss are amazing for your core muscles (ab and back). You great resistance and many exercise options, I love them.

reverse curl crunches for lower abs
back extensions work your lower abs as well, but I usually only do them when i am working back!

A great exercise is a double crunch--Your legs are extend for a reverse crunch (only your butt comes off the ground, lifted only by the muscles in the lower portion of your ab muscles) and you also do a normal crunch at the same time.

[teet]

sorry...i haven't checked this post in a while.

i do work out 6 days a week...sometimes i think i have a disorder about it. it's hard enough for me to take one day off. if you notice though, i only lift weights 4 days a week...and only hit the major muscle groups one time a week (well squat days are kind of all out strength building day). i don't think 6 days a week is that odd??? most of the time bodybuilders don't show their cardio in their workout schedules...a lot of them do cardio more than twice a week and lift in the morning and afternoon.

as for my training splits...this is a routine that i came up with and seems to work for me. i try to pick muscle groups that are really different...like biceps and hamstrings. that way, i can go balls-to-the-wall on both of them w/o worry of fatiguing the smaller muscle group (exception: chest/triceps day...i have to do chest first, then triceps).

i'm 19 years old and i started seriously working out when i was 12...so i've been working out for 7 years (lifting for about 4).

i've had a subscription to men's health before...i thought it focused on too many things besides working out (guy's health!). I've had a subscription to Muscle & Fitness for several years now and I really like it...Flex seems to be geared to hardcore bodybuilders.

-teet

[rere420]

muscle and fitness is cool...FLex is very much geared towards hard core body building...Its cool! I enjoy it even though, i dont take to mucht raingina advice being a girl!! I go with muscle and fitness hers, it is so much better then the stupid crap in like shape and fitness, which worry more abuot what your hair lookslike while your working out then your work out!!!