Adobe CS3 Has Arrived (on the Adobe website)!

[Atomic0]

The official website has been updated with the new Adobe CS3 product.

http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/

[SlowRoasted]

:drool:

*Sends link to boss*

[lewi-p]

I want, I want, I want! The importing of PSD's is something I've been hoping would be included ever since adobe bought macromedia. The convert animation to code is toooo sweet! :D

Something doesn't sound quite right when I saw 'Flash CS3' tho...

[JoshuaJonah]

woah: http://www.adobe.com/products/flash/

Theres different versions... kinda leaves me the way i felt when looking for visual studio, which one?

[hybrid101]

:drool:

*Sends link to boss*
:lol:

*sends same link to school's computer lab*

[Ordinathorreur]

* sends link to self*

Damnit! The buck stops here :(

[DDD]

* sends link to self*

Damnit! The buck stops here :(

ahahahahaha...in the siggy it goes

[DDD]

PS CS3 is a huge advancement......wowzers

[Vexir]

Gah. Movie paint. Can you say, easiest rotoscoping ever..

I want.

[phorte]

i want it now!! ultra ultra impressed. And so glad adobe actually worked how to dock palettes. That was the most annoying part of photoshop or illustrator, these floating tools palettes everywhere.

End of April..... :( me wants now......

[love police]

mmmm master collection for $4300AUD

I want it also

[B L U E]

educational pricing ftw

[.soulty]

great news! :beam:

:edit: holy crapola, the new features in illustrator and photshop are amazing!!!


....BUT one question still remains will there finally be dotted lines in photoshop?

[B L U E]

i have a question. are there any features lacking in the educational versions of CS3? or only a price difference? doesn't seem to say on the site.

[paddy.]

The best thing about each new release from Adobe? The packaging. Beautiful. :D

[hybrid101]

crap. 512 ram. and here i am, suffering on 384 on my laptop.

*buys new computer*

[pixelSnobbery]

Crap. Need more money before I can buy a new computer...

*Sells himself on the nearest street corner*

[.soulty]

^ so anyone heard if there is any funky vista integration?

[Thy]

:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

April??? Me want it now!!!!!!!

[RabBell]

hhhmmm, I'm gonna try the new reader...at least I can then say I have one of Adobes new products :P

[MureJIb]

And as usual - russian market sucks....
When they will localize it in Russia?....
It's extremely difficult to get normal software here....

[anardodesign]

Oh my God! Oh my God! I piiss my pantss lol

Where can I get a trial?

[hybrid101]

betas were released ages ago:P
no trials yet, only product announcements and preorders;)

[pixelSnobbery]

has there been a beta version of Flash CS3 released? I haven't heard about that, just the Photoshop CS3 beta...

[RabBell]

hhhmmm, I'm gonna try the new reader...at least I can then say I have one of Adobes new products :P

just to say that I've been using the new Adobe Reader for a couple of hours now and I am very impressed.

Interface is much improved, it's much quicker and less clunkier than the previous version I just downloaded a short while ago (Reader 7.0) Big improvement. Massive even.

If all the products has made this kinda leap forward this is gonna be cool :cool:

[Seb Hughes]

great news! :beam:

:edit: holy crapola, the new features in illustrator and photshop are amazing!!!


....BUT one question still remains will there finally be dotted lines in photoshop?

There easy to do in Photoshop.

[evildrummer]

Does anyone know the release date of the student/education version and the price? I havent found any pages for the student CS3 only stident CS2

[DDD]

There easy to do in Photoshop.
Not easier than just having a tool to designate the space and dot pattern. I would like to see you easily make this dotted line around a shape. ---- - - - --- - - - ----


lol Soulty dont get me started on the dotted line tool. I mean for Christ sake PSP has had it since version 4 and I have been complaining since PS4. I think someone at Adobe is leaving the dotted line tool out to personally piss me and only me off. But sice FW is integrated and can rest a bit easy. But I wont give up the fight.

[B L U E]

Does anyone know the release date of the student/education version and the price? I havent found any pages for the student CS3 only stident CS2
Education Design Premium Full for $599

https://store1.adobe.com/cfusion/store/index.cfm?store=OLS-EDU#view=ols_prod&loc=en_us&store=OLS-EDU&categoryOID=1648823&distributionOID=103

[Jeff Wheeler]

I just ordered the upgrade to Photoshop CS3 Extended. It's the only thing I use in the suite anyways. :P

[TheCanadian]

When I get some cash (I'm 10 grand in debt) I'll probably order Flash CS3 pro, but until then I'm stuck using the AS3 preview for Flash 8 :P

[hybrid101]

oh yeah, upgrades way cheaper. school might get it:D

[koolkrasher]

i cant wait till it comes out all the new features in flash, sends shivers down my spine. It is going to make life sooooooo much easier.

[duncanhall]

Has anyone else noticed that those of us not in the US are getting an Adobe flavoured screwing, somewhere in the region of 80%?!

Here's what I mean:

Product |||||||||||||US Price||||UK Price |||||UK pays an extra:
------------------------------------------------------------------
Dreamweaver CS3||||||| £200 |||||£380 ||||||||90%
Flash CS3||||||||||||||||£352||||||£554|||||||| 60%
Fireworks CS3||||||||||||£150||||| £282|||||||| 90%
CS3 Master Collection||||£1258||||£2,232||||||| 80%

It seems they're following Microsoft's way of thinking, something along the lines of "hey, you're not American, im going to charge you loads more money".

Unless I can fake the fact that I'm in some form of education, Flash CS3 is looking a long way from reach. It's not enough that all the bloody students are mooching off my tax when most of them are older than me anyway, now they get to buy all the cool software at bargain prices.

[-infect-]

It's not enough that all the bloody students are mooching off my tax when most of them are older than me anyway, now they get to buy all the cool software at bargain prices.


HAHAHA....uh..... I mean....... that sucks.....snicker.....Wait a tic, I'm in the same boat. That sucks. Maybe I can make work pay for it....

[killahert]

i cant wait till it comes out all the new features in flash, sends shivers down my spine. It is going to make life sooooooo much easier.


its already out what are you waiting for??

[tripdragon]

IT STILL has no 3d! AAAAaaaaarrrrrrggggggggg WTF!
SOrry, but it's aparent that 3d can be done with things like paper vision But Why oh why can they not get it in the user design box ?
AE has it hell! Photoshop seems to have it now!

This is just crazy

[.soulty]

^ im confused?, what program do you want 3d in? or do you just want adobe to release a 3d app?

[B L U E]

Has anyone else noticed that those of us not in the US are getting an Adobe flavoured screwing, somewhere in the region of 80%?!

Here's what I mean:

Product |||||||||||||US Price||||UK Price|||||UK pays an extra:
------------------------------------------------------------------
Dreamweaver CS3||||||| £200 |||||£380 ||||||||90%
Flash CS3||||||||||||||||£352||||||£554|||||||| 60%
Fireworks CS3||||||||||||£150||||| £282|||||||| 90%
CS3 Master Collection||||£1258||||£2,232||||||| 80%

It seems they're following Microsoft's way of thinking, something along the lines of "hey, you're not American, im going to charge you loads more money".

Unless I can fake the fact that I'm in some form of education, Flash CS3 is looking a long way from reach. It's not enough that all the bloody students are mooching off my tax when most of them are older than me anyway, now they get to buy all the cool software at bargain prices.it's probably cheaper to book a flight to NYC, purchase cs3, visit, and fly back. :smirk:

[Ordinathorreur]

IT STILL has no 3d! AAAAaaaaarrrrrrggggggggg WTF!
SOrry, but it's aparent that 3d can be done with things like paper vision But Why oh why can they not get it in the user design box ?
AE has it hell! Photoshop seems to have it now!

This is just crazy

I think you kinda answered your own question there. If you can already do 3D with PaperVision and Sandy et al, then why would you want to compromise the filesize of the Flash Player download by adding a 3D framework to it?

[duncanhall]

it's probably cheaper to book a flight to NYC, purchase cs3, visit, and fly back. :smirk:

I actually could fly London to New York, stay in the 5 Star New York Ritz hotel for 2 nights, buy a copy of CS3 Master Collection, and an A5 Wacom Tablet and it would still be cheaper than buying the Master Collection over here.

That is a fudging joke.

[hybrid101]

haha, those prices are exorbitantly high for you guys in Europe. I think we get america prices though:D

hooray for upgrades:P

[duncanhall]

I've written to adobe asking if theyd like to explain the disgusting increase in price for UK buyers, but I'm not expecting a particularly useful reply. Therefore if I can't have it for the same price as those of you in the US, I've decided to see if I can get it for free..

Does anyone have any clue as to whether the upgrade versions of Flash CS3 and Dreamweaver CS3 will work with *ahem* not quite 100% legal versions of the old software?

[evildrummer]

^ If you have a *ahem* 'not quite 100% legal version' their is a HIGH chance the upgrades will work, but I wouldnt risk it, and if they dont reduce the Uk price their practically forcing people to not buy their stuff,

[duncanhall]

Exactly - i think it's an outrage. I had intended to go out and actually pay for my first bit of software in about 5 years, but they're having a laugh.

[phorte]

but really, adobe now has the monopoly on design applications. Before fireworks used to be the competitor to photoshop, but they own it now... which means, they can charge whatever they want.

[evildrummer]

I was going to buy this launch with months of freelance work but now it will take me a year to do freelance and school. And the education for the UK is just as bad and if I got that I wouldnt actually be allowed to freelance.

[duncanhall]

Hmmm, I'm pretty sure you could carry on delivering freelance work if you bought the educational copy.

I've been scouring the Adobe site over the last few days, building up a torrent of nit-pickeries to abuse them with until they give in and send me a free version of CS3 Master Collection.

On the subject of educational software, they have this to say:

"The Student Edition products are for home use by students only - the products cannot be installed and used on institutional or commercial computers."

Which to me doesn't seem to prohibit its use for making commercial sites.

[duncanhall]

WOW!!!!!!

I've just noticed that the educational version of the Master Collection is only £410!!! Thats a saving of over £1800!! For all that software, that's an unbelievable price.

Think I might get one of my uni friends to make a purchase for me (assuming Adobe arent prepared to send it to me for free).

[evildrummer]

I was sure there was a statement saying its 'for educational purposes only and no sales or services can be made with this priduct etc. etc.' or alteast it did on the last version, I think I might just buy Web Premium

[duncanhall]

" Former Macromedia Educational products (Studio 8, Dreamweaver, Flash etc) are intended for instructional and administrative purposes only and may not be used for any commercial purpose."

Altough it doesn't explicitly say it, I read that as "With our new range of products, educational versions can be used for whatever the fudge you like, as long as you're a student of some kind".

I've also just noticed that, for educational versions, Web Premium is more expensive than Master Collection. Wtf?

[evildrummer]

^ I thought that aswell, but if you look carefully the shop sells:
Master COllection - Student Edition &
Web Premium

So they only sell web premium and not the student edition

[B L U E]

" Former Macromedia Educational products (Studio 8, Dreamweaver, Flash etc) are intended for instructional and administrative purposes only and may not be used for any commercial purpose."

Altough it doesn't explicitly say it, I read that as "With our new range of products, educational versions can be used for whatever the fudge you like, as long as you're a student of some kind".

nah, may not be used for any commercial purpose is about as explicit as it gets.

[fester8542]

I was in a training class for Illustrator early this week. My instructor is helps write the "classroom in a book" series for PhotoShop. He fired up CS3 and showed us all the new features. I love the new window pallete.

[Jeff Wheeler]

nah, may not be used for any commercial purpose is about as explicit as it gets.

I.e., the old Macromedia educational products cannot be used commercially, but the new ones from Adobe may be. I researched this a long time ago, and found that it appears to be legal to use Adobe educational products commercially.

In addition, their Mac/Windows switch system will accidentally switch your edu version to a full version.

[B L U E]

I.e., the old Macromedia educational products cannot be used commercially, but the new ones from Adobe may be. I researched this a long time ago, and found that it appears to be legal to use Adobe educational products commercially.

In addition, their Mac/Windows switch system will accidentally switch your edu version to a full version.

are you sure? i've always heard that there were no differences in functionality between the education and non-eduction licensing, other than restrictions of using it commercially.

[Jeff Wheeler]

Duncan directly quoted Adobe. It seems odd that they would have said that if it also applied to the current versions.

[ya3]

Ok... So Premiere now runs on Mac OS...? :D

[B L U E]

Student question

"I'm very interested in buying the Education version of Adobe Creative Suite, but first I want to know if the software can be used to produce work for paying customers once I am working in the industry, or do I have to buy a different version of Creative Suite once I'm working in the industry?”

Answer

Good news! You can use Adobe Education software (any title!) to produce commercial/professional paid-for work when you leave school, or even while you are in school. In this regard, Adobe does not limit how student software is used. So students can use it to learn and to make money!

(Of course, students must agree to the terms of the End User Licensing Agreement — which appears during installation — just as every software customer must do.)ok good

[hybrid101]

no use for a student edition if all you can do with it is learn, not sell:(
i'd rather save a bit for now.

[phorte]

I cant even find any details about educational version for Australia. im sure there will be ones eventually, but how long?! (oooh an Interrobang :))

[Dom_]

well I don't know about any of you here, but the web premium "package" looks pretty darn swell! I'm actualy going to get it I think

photoshop cs3 extended is "out of this world"

sorry if i'm a little off subject here

[tripdragon]

I think you kinda answered your own question there. If you can already do 3D with PaperVision and Sandy et al, then why would you want to compromise the filesize of the Flash Player download by adding a 3D framework to it?

Are you kiding ? Having something native in flash visually animateable in 3d control would be Heaps better and faster to create in Flash UI instead of programming it blind.

[B L U E]

no use for a student edition if all you can do with it is learn, not sell:(
i'd rather save a bit for now.you mean sell the software? i'm talking about profiting from the work you made using the software.

that quote was right of the adobe website by the way.

[hybrid101]

no, i meant sell work commercially:)

[B L U E]

well, apparently you can

[.soulty]

thats a strange twist^

it's cheaper for me to sign up to a dummy course at tafe that i will never go to and get the suite heaps cheaper, lol. :crazy:

[hybrid101]

well, if you could just get the educational license and sell commercially, i bet everyone would rather buy the educ version then:P

[B L U E]

well, if you could just get the educational license and sell commercially, i bet everyone would rather buy the educ version then:P
ok, i'll quote it again. read carefully:


Student question

"I'm very interested in buying the Education version of Adobe Creative Suite, but first I want to know if the software can be used to produce work for paying customers once I am working in the industry, or do I have to buy a different version of Creative Suite once I'm working in the industry?”

Answer

Good news! You can use Adobe Education software (any title!) to produce commercial/professional paid-for work when you leave school, or even while you are in school. In this regard, Adobe does not limit how student software is used. So students can use it to learn and to make money!

(Of course, students must agree to the terms of the End User Licensing Agreement — which appears during installation — just as every software customer must do.)

[GW02]

ok, i'll quote it again. read carefully: *snip*

Link to page where this was posted?

edit: [never mind: http://www.adobe.com/education/purchasing/faq.html]

[theflash]

wow! CS3 has indeed wowed me. And it looks darn amazing. But pricing for non-us ppl is practically crap. 1$=48Rs. And if you increase it by 60-80% in dollar how much it would be in Rs or any other currency (except for Europe ppl).

[wo1olf]

"Young man talented, looking forward to buy new CS3 suite, but doesn't have any money at all. Please be generous and donnate. Once you get in heaven God will remember your charity and may skip the option of sending you in hell".
All kinds of donnations are accepted, except food or cheese. Visa & mastercard are wellcome and very well accepted.:eye:

[duncanhall]

That's a shame. I've got £236,000 worth of cheese I was going to donate. But if you don't want it you don't want it.

[hybrid101]

^damn, i've always wanted a cheese factory:lol:

[ya3]

Just found out that my work is planning to upgrade to CS3 in the new financial year :)

[duncanhall]

I finally got a relpy from Adobe today, albeit a short one, concerning their pricings in the UK.

This is what they had to say:



The price of software in EMEA reflects both the additional expense to
develop and test Adobe's applications for local markets and operating
systems, as well as for the delivery of complimentary Warranty support.
Adobe's complimentary Warranty support covers product installation and
defect issues for the life of the current version of Adobe's desktop
applications.

I really don't think that you can claim an extra 90% expenses for localisation from US English Dreamweaver CS3 to UK English Dreamweaver CS3.

I have also again asked them if there are any restrictions on a UK citizen buying a US version of the software. Their avoidance of this question the first time round makes me think there might be a glimmer of hope.

I've also pointed out that their Warranty support is not "complimentary" if everone in Europe, the Middle East and Asia has to sodding pay for it.

[ya3]

Why on earth would you need 'warranty support' for a piece of software? Let alone Adobe apps... Just Google it or post on a forum, like everyone else. And I don't see any problems using US English software in other countries. Still the same program all the same.

So um... Yeah... Buy a US version off eBay + $20 shipping and voila :)

[duncanhall]

Yeah, well that's the plan. I'd just like confirmation it will work first before I buy it only to find it won't work or I'm not allowed to use it.

[hybrid101]

how the f*** will it not work? and dont tell me it costs 90% more to change "color mixer" to "colour mixer"

[duncanhall]

Well if there were no restrictions whatsoever then surely everyone on the entire planet would just buy the US version. Even non english speakers would probably be quite happy to forego localised text in favour of a 90% saving.

So it would seem to me then, that Adobe would probably have some system in place that prevents you from using a piece of software in a country other than that for which it was intended. I could be wrong, but this is why Im asking them the question.

[DanontheMoon]

Ahhhh, the master collection - How else can two months' salary last forever (or at least until CS4 comes out)?

They ARE clever. But that clever?

[duncanhall]

They ARE clever. But that clever?

If I were charging nearly double for my products in certain areas, it's the first thing I'd do. And it wouldn't be that hard. It may even just be that you can't properly register your product, which isn't the end of the world, but as I said before, I'd like to hear it from them that there won't be any hiccups.

[Pattt]

When will the Flash CS3 trial be avaible?

[duncanhall]

For anyone still interested, I received another, slightly more helpful reply from Adobe today:



There are other reasons for the price diffference:
- fluctuating exchange rates Euro or pound vs dollar
- US market is much wider
- Everything is cheaper in the US, from Video games to Jeans, cereals to
gas.

There is no restriction for UK citizen to buy from US store, but there
are restrictions for UK residents! If you were living in the US, you
could buy the US version of the product.
You will not be able to buy from the US store unless you have a US
address and credit card.
You can fly to New York and buy everything cheaper than in London.
But your product will not be supported in Europe, or in the US.


The last few sentences seem to be a little ambiguous, but I think it's enough persuasion for me to go and find the US software on ebay.

[ya3]

For anyone still interested, I received another, slightly more helpful reply from Adobe today:



The last few sentences seem to be a little ambiguous, but I think it's enough persuasion for me to go and find the US software on ebay.

Basically, the online store won't let the transaction through if you enter a non-US address. Go and buy it physically, or get it from a retailer/eBay, and you'll be fine. The catch: don't call Adobe if you ever have problems.

[.soulty]

After Effects CS3 and Premiere CS3 Available to download at Adobe Labs!!!!!

Both are 1GB each :!:

I think they might be finals (pre-releases) but without the additional software bundled that will be with the final;even though in the text in regards to After Effects it does mention the word 'beta' but it seems too close to release date to put out betas. :book:

premiere:


Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 software will include Adobe OnLocation CS3 (Windows-only*) and Adobe Encore CS3 software when it ships this summer, however we are not offering preview versions of Adobe OnLocation and Encore at this time. In addition, some features are not available in the preview release. Please see the included read me document for more information.and After Effects is a two day trial while a approved after effects 7 key is required for validation to receive a key for the pre-release to be extended.

Important: A licensed copy of After Effects 7.0 Standard or Professional (full, upgrade, and education), Adobe Production Studio Standard or Premium (full, upgrade, and education), Adobe Web Bundle (full, upgrade, and education), or Adobe Video Bundle (full, upgrade, and education) is required to use this technology beyond a two-day trial period. After installation you will be prompted to enter a CS3 beta serial number for After Effects. To obtain a beta serial number, visit www.adobe.com/go/aftereffectscs3preview_serialnumber (http://www.adobe.com/go/aftereffectscs3preview_serialnumber) and enter your After Effects 7.0 serial number. Although the preview is available only in English, all language versions of After Effects and the products mentioned above qualify to participate.I think 2 days is a little silly but in all honesty 1GB is way to big for me to download a pre-release, think I will wait for the official trials, although it's freakin tempting :ne: :lol:

http://labs.adobe.com/

[SlowRoasted]

bah, I don't have a 7.0 license and I'm not going to download 1gb to try for 2 days.

[Jeff Wheeler]

Downloading Photoshop CS3 Extended right now. Very excited. :)

[ya3]

Downloading Photoshop CS3 Extended right now. Very excited. :)

Where, pray tell, art thou getting this from?

[Jeff Wheeler]

Adobe's site of course. I was emailed this morning, and just downloaded it from the store. It's great!

[phorte]

did you sign up for the "email me when trails are available" nokrev? Cause i did that, i aint been emailed nothing. Is that the only trial that is up? Photoshop? It says on adobe, that its shipping now too.

[Jeff Wheeler]

Maybe I signed up earlier and they're trying to save some bandwidth? I don't recall signing up for anything, but it did email me.

Have you tried going into the store and clicking on the order page?

[phorte]

Have you tried going into the store and clicking on the order page? Hehe, the store's broked. "Temporarily Unavailable". Cant handle to pressure it seems.

Well, it looks like today is gonna be a write off, was planning to do heaps of work, but if i can get my hands on a full trial of something. :drool:

[Catalist]

I really want to get Flash CS3, but I don't have the other $150 I need to upgrade. Which is cheaper, getting the upgrade for Flash at normal price, or all of web premium at an educational discount?

[iLikePie]

well the upgrade for flash is cheaper than JUST flash academic, so i imagine the web premium would be much more again.

yep, more than twice the price.

[hybrid101]

get the educational dude

[iLikePie]

educational is the same as the academic, unless you mean the "student" version which can't be used at all commercially (and is therefore, in my opinion, pretty useless).

[Mik3]

educational is the same as the academic, unless you mean the "student" version which can't be used at all commercially (and is therefore, in my opinion, pretty useless).

I'm glad to say that you're wrong, buddy. :) haha It can be used for any commercial purpose during school enrollment and even after. Heak, after school enrollment you can even legally upgrade it to a non-educational version. Adobe changed their license.

[ethant]

I downloaded the Web Premium suite today. Pretty cool, although I have not had much of a chance to play with it. I am getting a weird start-up lag in Photoshop that is pretty annoying, not sure if its a CS3 issue or a Vista issue.

[.soulty]

^ you downloaded the web premium trial? or :cop: ... remember no warez/illegal talk permitted on the boards.

[ethant]

I purchased and downloaded Web Premium (upgrade) from the Adobe store (no warez for me!). You can choose to have the box shipped or the download option (I am a sucker for instant gratification).

Anyway I think I have fixed my Photoshop startup lag problem although I am not sure exactly what I did. When the lag would occur, my processor wasn't being heavily utilized but the hard drive was really being hit hard. I pulled up the performance monitor and noticed that the file that was being heavily read and written to was this: C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\backup\caps.db. I backed it and deleted it, then I reran Photoshop. The lag appeared to be gone, and the caps.db file was recreated. Deleting mystery files makes me nervous, but so far so good (I will be sure to post if I notice any ill effects).

[.soulty]

^ ah ok, good to know about the download option. In regards to the lag, have you got a spare harddrive for scratch disk? I wonder if it's not only the preferences but it's creating a temp storage location as well. Also might just need a few opens to speed up, i noticed in the beta the load time was fine but it had to load the fonts when i went to my font tool, then the second time and from then on (even from a cold boot) the font came up quick.

[B L U E]

i should've selected the download option. waiting for the shipment to arrive for a whole week is killing me!

[REEF·]

look at first post...somone made a new account to tell us this? sounds like adobes up to somethin

[B L U E]

smart marketing

[.soulty]

we were going to talk about it one way or another. :P

[romanimation]

whats that means ?

[hybrid101]

^say what?

[senocular]

look at first post...somone made a new account to tell us this? sounds like adobes up to somethin

IP seems to indicate they're an aussie; not an adobie. ;)

[.soulty]

:look: I DIDN'T DO IT.... :ne:

[Esherido]

Does anyone have any idea when they will finish and release Master Collection CS3? :q:

[Seb Hughes]

Well yesterday I ordered my copy of Adobe Photoshop CS3 Upgrade :D

[grimdeath]

Well yesterday I ordered my copy of Adobe Photoshop CS3 Upgrade :D

Oh no now its gonna start all over again

http://mlkdesign.online.fr/dump/seb2.gif

[REEF·]

IP seems to indicate they're an aussie; not an adobie. ;)you're pretty quick to defend the cause, adobie.

[Ar3d]

good now i could upgrade my copy..thanks for let us know.