Oh My God!

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030606/ts_alt_afp/us_justice_gay_people_030606173244

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not that I'm gay but that sucks...

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I hate this administration. what a bunch of bigots.

[mdipi]

thats not right, especally when others are using it...discrimination from our government...

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Yeah, spread the word so everyone starts to vote then... the American voting percentage is WAY to low, like 50-53% of the people vote... It's hardly democratic...

[mdipi]

i think my town is pretty democratic, i dont know anybody who doesnt vote, and i live in a small town.

[kirupa]

It's representative - I don't think it was ever intended to have everybody vote. Besides, this is a Conservative adminstration...I would have been more surprised if they allowed them, but since this has been done in the past, I think they should just let this custom continue. Also, did this event occur last year or the year prior to that?

If they allowed this event last year, then they should definitely allow it this year. Or is this an event that hasn't occurred since this adminstration took office?

Cheers!
Kirupa :ub:

[mdipi]

it sounded like its just this year that they cancelled

[kirupa]

That's odd:( I wonder why it would have been cancelled this year and not the previous two years.

[mdipi]

i donno, but its a little wierd to me. yet anonother scandle that phil can dig up?

[telekinesis]

I don't support homosexuality, but I think it isn't right to cancel the event if it has been running for years unless they have a valid reason, which I doubt they do, maybe Ashcroft is a hardcore homophobic person. :P

[thoriphes]

Originally posted by telekinesis
I don't support homosexuality :(

[mdipi]

I dont mind it. I mean you are what you are. But i would reather not see it on the streets expressed in an inaproret way (PDA) but that goes for homosexuals and heretasexuals

[telekinesis]

Originally posted by mdipi.com
I dont mind it. I mean you are what you are. But i would reather not see it on the streets expressed in an inaproret way (PDA) but that goes for homosexuals and heretasexualsWhat the hell are those :-\

[telekinesis]

Originally posted by
:( no comment

[kirupa]

heretasexuals - hehe, that is a funny word! I am shocked that there no instance of that word on google...dogpile....or msn :) Even our good world domination spoilers on somethingawful forums didn't have that word.

Mdipi, I think you have invented a new word. Now it is time to come with a meaning for it. If the meaning is unique and we all use it non-stop, in a few years, the dictionary will have this word added.....or else :skull:

[mdipi]

um...people who are here and are um...sexual! hehe! yeah! see:
here-ta-sexual! but not gay sexual, just strait sexual, get it?

[Jubba]

heterosexual?

[mdipi]

here is another part of the deffinition:

see heterosexual

[Illuminae]

hereta - sexual
hereta is a conjugated verb stemming from "heretar" which is Catalan. in english it means "to inherit"
"hereta" means "he/she inherits"
therefore, heretasexual means "sexual orientation based on inheritance, from the birthparents"
therefore, soemone who was homosexual, who's parent (one or both) was also homosexual, would be heretasexual. and someone who is heterosexual who's parent (one or both) is heterosexual would also be heretasexual. however, someone who is homosexual with two heterosexual parents would not be heretasexual.

[Raydred]

i hear a lawsuit... =) hehe I hope they sue for this, thats not right... except im still wondering about the Strait Pride parade.. lol jk but seriously, thats pretty sad that people cant do what they want. thats a direct infrigment of human rights, american rights. Its in the constitution. "The Right to assemble peacefully" =)


Redgolgi:
Nice work thats pretty interesting =) hehe

[flippy]

gah.

[NaliWarCow]

The government gets more than enough off days as it is. They get off just about every president's birthday and every other holiday. They don't need one more day where they can't work because people are showing how they're "here and queer".

It's not like they fired the people or made them work in the corner, they just said no day off because of your sexual preference. Otherwise, I'm now JFSOIUFsexual and want a day off of school for my party.

[reverendflash]

we have enough reasons to be different.

let's look for ways that we are similar to everyone. Would as many muggings happen, if the mugger knew the muggee?

;)

Revhttp://www.aulman.com/rev.gif

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mugee....hahahahahhahaahahah

[Whippersnapper]

Originally posted by NaliWarCowZ
The government gets more than enough off days as it is. They get off just about every president's birthday and every other holiday. They don't need one more day where they can't work because people are showing how they're "here and queer".

It's not like they fired the people or made them work in the corner, they just said no day off because of your sexual preference. Otherwise, I'm now JFSOIUFsexual and want a day off of school for my party.

Maybe I missed the part where they said this was a holiday. This meeting had been going on for the last 12 years, this administration sure likes to turn back time.

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exactly what i was wondering.

[NaliWarCow]

I'm sure a day that is the gay pride day, involves little to no work. If they don't get the entire day off, it'll be a party in the office where barely anything will get done.

Maybe I'm wrong, but haven't murders occured the past 12 years? And rapes? And for the past 12 years, I have punched a random person in the face for no reason. Does that mean it should continue? I don't see how something going on for 12 years is a reason that it's a good thing.

[Illuminae]

how come everyone is up in arms about gay pride day? what about italian pride? or mexican pride? or canadian pride? or british pride? or hungarian pride? i'm sorry, i have no problems with anyone's sexuality, but i'm getting a little sick of the fact that we should applaud and celebrate something that is just another aspect of humanity, when we don't applaud others. what about straight pride day?? i don't prance around being proud that i'm straight or proud that im italian, or proud that i'm a woman, i prance around being proud of who i am and what i do for my culture and my society. we should all celebrate things that are important to us in our everyday lives, celebrate by doing good for people, celebrate by helping others, bettering yourself, trying to make the world a better place, and living in the light of god. it's good to be confident in yourself, but it's not a good excuse to get off work.
and if you feel that adamant about it, take a personal vacation day. period. or else i expect to get days off for the important days in my faith and culture as well. and then everyone should. and then it will all go to hell, cuz no one would work.

[TheOrangeOne]

i totally agree with you Gina. Why do we celebrate peoples sexuallity? Someones sexuallity should be totally irrelevant. People should neither shun it or celebrate it. A fuss should not be made!

Culture is totally different in every part of the world, so why not celebrate that fact, instead of individual aspects of societies social make-up.

I have male friends, i have female friends. I have gay friends, i have straight friends. I have religious friends, i have non-religious friends. I have old friends, I have young friends. I have friends from different countries other than my own.

I could be friends with people no matter what their culture/sexuality/religion/whatever and it really wouldn't make any difference to me because as far as i'm concerned it is totally irrelevant. We are all human and we are all different so why bother highlighting so caled 'cultural-quirks'?

:link: orange olly :link:

[PierceG]

Originally posted by TheOrangeOne
Why do we celebrate peoples sexuallity? Someones sexuallity should be totally irrelevant. People should neither shun it or celebrate it. A fuss should not be made!


I think the fact is that people do shun it. I and guess people figure they have to make up for that. As long as there is gaybashers in the world there will be gay pride parades. And should be.

[TheOrangeOne]

thats very true Pierce. I guess in an ideal world, no-one would care about a persons sexuality. But alas, we do not live in an ideal world......
*sigh*

so yeah, as long as people show that they shun it, i guess there should be more people who show their acceptance as well.

[Illuminae]

(warning, here comes a rant)

it's a shame that we can't live in a utopian society where everyone is accepted regardless of our differences. but the fact is, people shun homosexuality. and people shun obesity, and people shun geeks, and nerds, and ugly people, and skinny people, and poor people, and homeless people, and people from other cultures, or people with accents, or people who dress funny, or people who have weird attributes, or quiet people, or noisy people, ad infinitum...

until i see the entire world uniting in a giant Celebration of Differences, then i don't think anyone should expect to get off work to celebrate just one of the many differences that people are opressed and persecuted over.

if you are gay, and you feel like marching in a parade or celebrating gay pride day is something that makes you feel good about yourself, then by all means go for it. people should always try and feel good, as long as it hurts no one else. and my opinions about what's right for myself, and the way i feel about this has no relevance IMO, cuz i'd just be a hypocrite if i tried to force my ideals onto anyone. but then Pride shouldnt be forced on others. (and by expecting a special day off work for it, i think that's forcing your ideals to an extent because it is inconveniencing others and expecting things to work around you for the day) i think personal excursions should not constitute a company holiday, and when people expect to get treated special i think that's pretty ballsey. i am so darn sick of the attitude that victims of persecution deserve to be treated special, or society 'owes' them something. (bear with me, i'm floating off on a total tangent now..)
lets face it. the world sucks. people suck. people are evil and cruel and mean, and abusive. but how do we combat that? how do we come out on top? how do we be the best we can be? do we sit around and complain about how we are wronged, and expect the good people of the world to make up for the bad? or do we just get over it, accept it as one of the trials of life and let it make us a stronger person and gain confidence of self from it? i've been ripped apart, chewed up, spit out and crapped on. but i don't expect anythign from anyone. i never ask sympathy of others from the trials i have suffered. IMHO there is no easy road for someone to lay out. the only road worth walking is the one you beat through the underbrush with your own machete of Wisdom.

on a lighter note, i got this new shampoo, and it smells super nice. it's kinda flowery, and kinda fruity and kinda earthy and kinda airy all at the same time. i love clean smelling things. like my cat. he got a bath today and now he smells like orange kitty shampoo. :beam:

[asphaltcowboy]

Originally posted by redGolgi
if you are gay, and you feel like marching in a parade or celebrating gay pride day is something that makes you feel good about yourself, then by all means go for it. people should always try and feel good, as long as it hurts no one else. and my opinions about what's right for myself, and the way i feel about this has no relevance IMO, cuz i'd just be a hypocrite if i tried to force my ideals onto anyone. but then Pride shouldnt be forced on others. (and by expecting a special day off work for it, i think that's forcing your ideals to an extent because it is inconveniencing others and expecting things to work around you for the day) i think personal excursions should not constitute a company holiday, and when people expect to get treated special i think that's pretty ballsey. i am so darn sick of the attitude that victims of persecution deserve to be treated special, or society 'owes' them something. (bear with me, i'm floating off on a total tangent now..)so.. would that include religious holidays as well?

[TheOrangeOne]

hmm, interesting point. But i do agree about the way society acts like they owe 'them' something. (i need a better word than 'them') If people want to celbrate somthing, religious or otherwise then they have the right to do so. I just don't think special arrangements should be made. OR, on he flip side, special arrangments should be made for ALL cultural celbrations, no just the most common or most controvesial ones)


(Please excuse my spelling! i can't help it somtimes!)

[asphaltcowboy]

Sorry if I'm dragging all this up again ;) ;)

I dont think society acts like they owe them at all. I dont know.. perhaps it's the more tolerant people in society making up for the huge number of moronic, narrowminded pillocks that populate most of the planet. I don't think you could say society acts like they owe them. we're still in a state of transition as far as I can see. I mean... just look at this thread.. you can tell who they are.. all the people that started off their posts by saying "I'm not gay but.." or "I don't suppport homosexuality but..." as though you need some get-out clause to talk about it? Thats being just as narrowminded as being homophobic. as though, there's an assumption that if you reply to this thread "in support of" (though, thats not really the case) homosexuals, someone will immediately label you gay :-\
Originally posted by redGolgi
how come everyone is up in arms about gay pride day? what about italian pride? or mexican pride? or canadian pride? or british pride? or hungarian pride? i'm sorry, i have no problems with anyone's sexuality, but i'm getting a little sick of the fact that we should applaud and celebrate something that is just another aspect of humanity, when we don't applaud others. what about straight pride day?? i don't prance around being proud that i'm straight or proud that im italian, or proud that i'm a woman, i prance around being proud of who i am and what i do for my culture and my society. we should all celebrate things that are important to us in our everyday lives, celebrate by doing good for people, celebrate by helping others, bettering yourself, trying to make the world a better place, and living in the light of god. it's good to be confident in yourself, but it's not a good excuse to get off work.
and if you feel that adamant about it, take a personal vacation day. period. or else i expect to get days off for the important days in my faith and culture as well. and then everyone should. and then it will all go to hell, cuz no one would work. you're ranting... you're argument is losing it's edge somewhat because I can't tell if are you more bothered that people are celebrating an aspect of their lives or the fact that they're getting time off work? do you smoke? because it's well known that smokers get extra breaks just because they smoke. the people that do the same job, but don't smoke, don't get the same amount/length of breaks. is that the same thing? why are we not campaigning for the non-smoking workers of this world?

"i'm getting a little sick of the fact that we should applaud and celebrate something that is just another aspect of humanity, when we don't applaud others" - lol? no one forces you to applaud or celebrate anything. and your point about straight pride day. well, why don't you organise it? if you did, I'm sure plenty of people would turn up. there's no reason why you couldn't set up a straight pride day if you really wanted. the fact is. the gay population is a minority, and the straight population is a majority. that's why we don't have straight pride day, because people just consider it to be 'the norm' and as such, isn't high on their list of priorities as something to celebrate. whereas for gay people, their sexuality is brought to the fore everyday of the week: whether there are people discussing it on forums, or whether they're being persecuted and abused for it. it's constantly being shoved in their face. so why not have days that celebrate it? bring it into recognition? make people see that they aren't so very different? anything that raises people awareness and makes them more tolerant is a good thing imho.

"we should all celebrate... ...living in the light of god" - oh dear! not trying to enforce your beliefs on us are you? ;)


Originally posted by TheOrangeOne
I could be friends with people no matter what their culture/sexuality/religion/whatever and it really wouldn't make any difference to me because as far as i'm concerned it is totally irrelevant. We are all human and we are all different so why bother highlighting so caled 'cultural-quirks'?whilst that maybe be very true, not everyone is as tolerant and unprejudiced(?) as you OrangeOne. it will be a long time before we reach a stage where everyone accepts everyone else for who they are. in fact.. I think that's an impossible target. I do disagree with what you said about "why do we bother highlighting 'cultural quirks'. If we didnt do that, everyone would be the same. which would be boring. yes, in some respects, it cultivates fear and suspicion among the less open-minded among us... if we were all the same (i.e. there was no 'culture' anywhere).. then.. how boring would this place be? for example, there would be no incentive to go and visit other countries. because it'd be just like yours. (ok, that's kind of off the point, but you know what I mean, right? ;)

I'm sure there are plenty of other things I could say, but I'm gonna stop for now :)

[Kajinku]

Very true, I enjoyed reading the above posts by Golgi, Orange and Asphalt. I couldn't have written this better (is that correct grammar?) myself. It's fascinating to see the amount of replies with different reactions every time there's a thread about gay people. The other one was getting a bit hostile, but still.


Originally posted by redGolgi
on a lighter note, i got this new shampoo, and it smells super nice. it's kinda flowery, and kinda fruity and kinda earthy and kinda airy all at the same time. i love clean smelling things. like my cat. he got a bath today and now he smells like orange kitty shampoo. :beam:
You wash your cat?! Is he gay or what? ;) Just kidding! :P
No, but seriously, I never washed my cat before... they don't really like that. And it's not good for the cat's health to wash him too often. I have this picture of you washing your cat with super fluffy fruity shampoo in my head now.

Golgi (washing cat in pink plastic tub and singing): lalalalalaaa
Cat: Ugh, this is the worst day ever.

:P

[PierceG]

Some cat's smell. Some don't. I say, wash the smelly ones, gosh darn it.

Very well written arguments by all above.

[TheOrangeOne]

Originally posted by asphaltcowboy
I do disagree with what you said about "why do we bother highlighting 'cultural quirks'. If we didnt do that, everyone would be the same. which would be boring. yes, in some respects, it cultivates fear and suspicion among the less open-minded among us... if we were all the same (i.e. there was no 'culture' anywhere).. then.. how boring would this place be? for example, there would be no incentive to go and visit other countries. because it'd be just like yours. (ok, that's kind of off the point, but you know what I mean, right? ;)
i get what you are saying :)

I wasn't sugesting all cultures should be the same, (i think i worded myself badly!) I guess what i reaally feel is that people should be appeciative of cultural differences, without specifically highlighting difference with things like gay pride day.


Originally posted by redGolgi
on a lighter note, i got this new shampoo, and it smells super nice. it's kinda flowery, and kinda fruity and kinda earthy and kinda airy all at the same time. i love clean smelling things. like my cat. he got a bath today and now he smells like orange kitty shampoo

yay! orange cat!

Pierce: I agree, appart from mine, they were very good arguments by all. :)

[asphaltcowboy]

Originally posted by TheOrangeOne
i get what you are saying :)

I wasn't sugesting all cultures should be the same, (i think i worded myself badly!) I guess what i reaally feel is that people should be appeciative of cultural differences, without specifically highlighting difference with things like gay pride day.hmm but unless you allow none or all.. how do you choose fairly? :) the main reason is because people have issues with homosexuality. which is bad. :(

[Illuminae]

hey everyone, i'm back. time to respond a bit. lets start with the easy ones... ;)


Originally posted by Kajinku

You wash your cat?! Is he gay or what? ;) Just kidding! :P
No, but seriously, I never washed my cat before... they don't really like that. And it's not good for the cat's health to wash him too often. I have this picture of you washing your cat with super fluffy fruity shampoo in my head now.

Golgi (washing cat in pink plastic tub and singing): lalalalalaaa
Cat: Ugh, this is the worst day ever.

:P

lol. i don't bathe my cat overly much, but he gets one pretty much everyday whether i do it or not. see, you might not believe this, but my cat loves water. (hes an odd child) actually, he's a Bengal cat breed, which is a cross between a domestic and an Asian Leopard, (yes, he's 1/3 wild leopard) so. this breed really loves water, like i guess full leopards do. everytime i turn on the sink he runs over to it and sticks his paw in the water, and everytime i shower, he jumps in with me. hahaha. he also likes to stick his head in the toilet and go swimming in our fish pond. wacko.

[Illuminae]

Originally posted by asphaltcowboy
so.. would that include religious holidays as well?

yes and no. it wouldn't include holidays such as chrismas, easter, chanukah, kwanza, mother's day, father's day, veterans day, memorial day, etc.
but it would include the various saints days, valentines day, haloween, thanksgiving, stuff like that. the dividing line imo is this..

these holidays that i named first are all in honor of either someone else, or a greater spirit that is worshipped. they are selfless. now granted, a lot of these holidays have become overly commercialized and culturally cheapened to some extent, but the spirit behind all of these is pure selflessness and promoting appreciation for someone else, be it person who has come before you, or God. now, the reason i think this is more valid is simple. i think people are too self absorbed and lazy. these i think are the two most "shakespearian tradgic flaws" of humanity. and i think it is honorable to show respect to someone so important as a parent or loved one or your God. but to ask society to inconvenience itself based on a minority holiday that celebrates a personal aspect i think is like asking your paperboy to rake the leaves for you since he is already in your yard. therefore, celebration of the first group of holidays acts not only as a way to show honor, but also promotes a better community lifestyle.
also, another major thing that comes into play is the fact that the majority of people believe in God in soem form or another. Great religious holidays are the epitome of selfless celebration, a celebration in the divine, and also, they are globally celebrated as an integral part of culture and spirituality.
maybe i'm getting to deep now. i think i'll make an even simpler point.
majority rules.
this has always been an accpted way of conducting things in a diplomatic and fair way. and personally, i think it's a good rule. if the majority of society was gay, and decided to make Pride a national, everyone-takes-off-a-week-to-celebrate affair, then even if i disagreed, i would still think that it would be fair that it happened, cuz the majority wants it, and i think that's the right way to go.

also, i just wanna make a point clear. i don't think that Pride should not be a holiday. i jsut simply think that it shouldn't be a reason to get off work. jsut like i celebrate lots of holidays in my faith, but i don't think that everyone should get off work for them.

[asphaltcowboy]

so it is the fact that someone people get time off work for being gay? that's your personal issue right? I dont believe in God. I celebrate Christmas. Is that cheeky of me?

I wanted to go back (I'm too slow ya see ;)) to something NaliWarCowz said before, which I think has to be one of the most moronic things (sorry) I've ever heard:
Originally posted by NaliWarCowz
Maybe I'm wrong, but haven't murders occured the past 12 years? And rapes? And for the past 12 years, I have punched a random person in the face for no reason. Does that mean it should continue? I don't see how something going on for 12 years is a reason that it's a good thing.Anyone else thinking "that's a bit stupid"? Gah, sorry. I'd write a reasonable argument in reply to this.. but words fail me in this instance, they really do... :(

[asphaltcowboy]

Originally posted by asphaltcowboy
so it is the fact that someone people get time off work for being gay?hang on... do we even know they actually get time off work?

[Illuminae]

Originally posted by asphaltcowboy
:-\you're ranting... you're argument is losing it's edge somewhat because I can't tell if are you more bothered that people are celebrating an aspect of their lives or the fact that they're getting time off work?

hehe, i'll clarify. i'm bothered at the getting off work bit. i assumed that was clear. you must understand that there can be an inital problem, but eventually this branches off into new issues that arise that i feel it's worth to address. why is it worth it? because they all feed off of eachother, and instead of a linear cause and effect, i feel as if we are in a constantly changing web of little circles of cause and effect, all interlaced and wiggling.


do you smoke? because it's well known that smokers get extra breaks just because they smoke. the people that do the same job, but don't smoke, don't get the same amount/length of breaks. is that the same thing? why are we not campaigning for the non-smoking workers of this world?

that's interesting, i never knew that. i think that is just pure assinine though. (that this is the situation). it's pretty unfair to nonsmokers. and no, i don't think it's the same thing although it is similar enough to make a good comparison. why aren't we campaigning? i have no idea, but i suspect it's cuz
A. ignorance (not enough ppl informed)
or
B. apathy (not enough people care)

and honestly, you say we aren't campaigning, but i think that some buisnesses are doing it in their own way anyways. when i was managing, all employees were given the same amount of breaktime, and if they smoked, well, they just had to deal with it. including myself. i think that's perfectly fair.


"i'm getting a little sick of the fact that we should applaud and celebrate something that is just another aspect of humanity, when we don't applaud others"
- lol? no one forces you to applaud or celebrate anything.
i never said anyone forced me. i could go run around and badmouth homosexuality if i so chose and probably get nothing more then soem dirty looks or perhaps a good beating. however, there are certain 'standards' that society expects it's citizen to adhere to, and these unwritten 'rules' are supposed to govorn our behaviors, the ultimate goal being to respect other people. which is good. ok, so, this is then expected of people, in the name of decency, to be openminded, accepting, and supportive. basically, it's either, support gay people, or be frowned upon by society.


and your point about straight pride day. well, why don't you organise it? if you did, I'm sure plenty of people would turn up. there's no reason why you couldn't set up a straight pride day if you really wanted.


cuz i have no desire to. i'm not proud that i'm straight. i feel no need to celebrate it. if someone else does, then more power to em. and if they did, and if it became huge, i still don't think we shoudl get off work for it.


the fact is. the gay population is a minority, and the straight population is a majority. that's why we don't have straight pride day, because people just consider it to be 'the norm' and as such, isn't high on their list of priorities as something to celebrate.

well hey, the majority of people may not be gay, but the majority of people are different in some way that is 'undesireable' or 'taboo' according to society's ideals.
liek i said in my first post. there are all different traits that people are ostracized for, and if you take up all those minorities, they sure add up to a lot. i don't think being gay is any different then being fat or being ugly or being disfigured. (not literally of COURSE, you know what i mean).

"we should all celebrate... ...living in the light of god" - oh dear! not trying to enforce your beliefs on us are you? ;)

:P nope. i was just stating my opinion. some may agree, some may disagree, i couldn't give a crap really. not to sound mean ;)

[Illuminae]

Originally posted by asphaltcowboy
so it is the fact that someone people get time off work for being gay? that's your personal issue right?

yep

I dont believe in God. I celebrate Christmas. Is that cheeky of me?

honestly i'm torn on that issue. i'd really have to know why you celebrate it in order to tell you my opinion.

personally i think it's stupid and insulting to Christ. on the other hand, if you were to turn around and say that you celebrate it because even if you don't believe in god, you still think it represents good feelings, and family, and charity and stuff like that, well then, i wouldn't feel like it was bad, because that is what half of the holiday is about. if you said it was just for the presents i would have to stop myself from barfing on my keyboard.

but hey, you do what you want (unless it hurts someone innocent) and i'm not gonna hold it against you, even if i disagree.


I wanted to go back (I'm too slow ya see ;)) to something NaliWarCowz said before, which I think has to be one of the most moronic things (sorry) I've ever heard:Anyone else thinking "that's a bit stupid"?

well, i think Mr WarCowz used a bad analogy, but he was trying to illustrate a good point. that point is that just because something is done out of habit or tradition, doesn't mean that there can never be room for change. and redundancy is a sorry argument for something of this nature.

[Illuminae]

i have to go to sleep. nights!! :beam:

[asphaltcowboy]

Originally posted by redGolgi
if you said it was just for the presents i would have to stop myself from barfing on my keyboard.yeahyeah, course its for all that.. um.. yeah, family... er stuff you mentioned ;)

(j/k)
Originally posted by redGolgi
well, i think Mr WarCowz used a bad analogy, but he was trying to illustrate a good point. that point is that just because something is done out of habit or tradition, doesn't mean that there can never be room for change. and redundancy is a sorry argument for something of this nature.of course.. that's not really what he was saying ... :-\

;)

Right, I think I'm gonna stop there. Golgi's gone to bed.. (night!) and I think she's getting angry ;) for the record, devil's advocate is my favourite role.. ;)

[Illuminae]

good morning, im awake again!

yeahyeah, course its for all that.. um.. yeah, family... er stuff you mentioned ;) [/B ]

lol

[B]of course.. that's not really what he was saying ... :-\

hmm. well thats how i took it. :P


Right, I think I'm gonna stop there. Golgi's gone to bed.. (night!) and I think she's getting angry ;) for the record, devil's advocate is my favourite role.. ;)

nope, wasn't angry, just exhausted. still kinda am. i've spent the last 2 days fishing from like sunrise to hours after sunset, and i think i got poisined by something, so im just feeling yucky. you can keep devil's advocating if you want cuz thats what i like ;)

[asphaltcowboy]

*waves* :beam: