Stop Frame Battle

[Kitiara]

<b>What:</b> Stop-Frame Battle
<b>Subject:</b> Recreate a famous movie scene using stop frame animation.
<b>Software:</b> Flash and a digital camera.
<b>Who:</b> TheOrangeOne, Voetjoeba, Kitiara, Asphaltcowboy, S-fx, Jax, RedViper, Fester, Majeye, Maxtr0sity, xxviii, Clownstaples, Golgi, Black_Lightning, Fester
<b>When:</b> 17/07/03
<b>Extra Rules:</b> This must be a frame by frame animation, with no tweening involved.
If you would like to add speech bubbles, sound etc, then you may, although this is entirely optional.

To read all the spam, click on this link: http://64.207.155.38/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25056&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

[asphaltcowboy]

capitals! you and your d*mn capitals kit! ;)

just like to guide everyone's eyes to the bit where it says "Recreate a famous movie scene using stop frame animation" - try and do famous plz.. otherwise we might have to get you to prove the existence of such a scene ;)

Also, preloaders are very much essential plz! :beam:

[fester8542]

and ummm for all of you that dont understand warped UK dates...

17/7/03 would be translated 7/17/03


....crazy brits...you do everything arse backwards

[asphaltcowboy]

Originally posted by Maxtr0sity
question, are we allowed to edit out minor stuff?...like fish lines...?...or add minor details...bullets? I think it's ok to remove stuff (like fishing wire etc), but personally, I'd say it's pushing the boundaries of "stop-frame" by adding stuff through photoshop - other people's opinions? it's gonna be taking it too much out of context if people start adding bullets and whatnot

opinions plz??

[asphaltcowboy]

...crazy yanks...you do everything arse backwards


;)

[Voetsjoeba]

So can we use PhotoShop or not ? And what do you guys (and girls :) ) consider famous movie scenes ? What might be famous to me, might not be famous to you ...

[Black_Lightning]

the editing yes.... difficult.... where do you draw the line with the small stuff. Some ppl wanted to add a glow to lightsaber. and adding out fishing wires. all ok by me. but how do you know ppl didn't edit more. Afterall there are ppl that are really good with photoshop.

my scene wouldn't look as good without editing but i guess it will have to do :)

[Voetsjoeba]

I suggest: no editing. Who cares about fishwires or anything, just focus on the animation.

[s-fx]

Can I use my webcamera or do I have to use my digital? I think it's easier to use the webcamera....

[asphaltcowboy]

I'm quite up for 'no editing'. perhaps editing stuff out (like fishwires for etc) but not editing-in. I think it'd be far more funny/entertaining to see what people can come up with using household items and stuff.

could make it hilarious in fact :)

I think lightsabers and bullets and stuff like that are pushing it somewhat. I'm quite against the use of photoshop for this battle (obviously I'll be using it for resizing and cropping the frames, but that's it. no other editing).

is that a general concensus?

[asphaltcowboy]

Originally posted by s-fx
Can I use my webcamera or do I have to use my digital? I think it's easier to use the webcamera.... as long as it's stop-frame animation in Flash (with a preloader ;)) that's fine.

[Maxtr0sity]

Alrit, what about sound? Music allowed?

[asphaltcowboy]

Originally posted by Kitiara
<b>Extra Rules:</b> This must be a frame by frame animation, with no tweening involved.
If you would like to add speech bubbles, sound etc, then you may, although this is entirely optional.yeah, sound fx/music is fine :)

remember though: people are going to have to download it - it's no good creating a masterpiece of modern-day cinema if they have to wait about 2 decades to view it... when it will be ye olde-day cinema

:beam:

[Maxtr0sity]

Great, thanks a lot, I'm syked. :)

[asphaltcowboy]

me too!

though, I should start rifling through my collection of films to find good/suitable scenes - what is everyone else considering?

[Maxtr0sity]

MATRIX!...I got my ideas set...here they are, no on steal them now...:)

1. The scene in the first movie where Agent Smith copy was firing at Neo and he did the knee bending dodge of bullets. But now I'm not so sure.

OR

2. The scene in the second movie where he gets crowded by all those Agent Smiths, he grabs that pole and spins around it kicking all the copies. It's going to be amazing, that is, if I can get it straight. :)

[asphaltcowboy]

w00t! yeah, i considered the first one ;)

will be v.impressive if you can pull either of them off! :beam:

[Maxtr0sity]

O definitely, but I don't have too many lego dudes, I might need to get some more to create the effect. First, I thought of that scene when he blows all of them away, but then I'd need a mini explosion to capture. Too difficult.

[Black_Lightning]

Originally posted by Maxtr0sity
1. The scene in the first movie where Agent Smith copy was firing at Neo and he did the knee bending dodge of bullets. But now I'm not so sure.


ugh had the same idea.... but i wouldn't be working with lego's. hmmm maybe i better find somthing else now:-\

[Kitiara]

OK, to clarify. No adding extra effects with Photoshop. Speech bubbles will be OK, but lightsabres etc are not. It's meant to be what you can create with items you can locate, not how good your drawing is.

[asphaltcowboy]

watched Mission:Impossible 2 again last night... god, I love the bit where he jumps out the building.. oh, and one particular bit on the motorcycles. so f*cking cool. i'm considering the building jump... but got some more films to watch first lol!

;)

[s-fx]

I already know what movie and scene, all I need to do now is buy some stuff :P

[asphaltcowboy]

Originally posted by s-fx
I already know what movie and scene, all I need to do now is buy some stuff :P ooh do tell! ;)
I'm still thinking about which movie to pick heheh

[Soul]

I might have a go at this one :beam:

- Soul :s:

[Kitiara]

Cool. :) I was going to ask for your suggestion as to a movie scene for mine. :P

So far I'm leaning towards The Italian Job. :) <B>*Goes out to buy three matchbox Mini Coopers*</b>

[asphaltcowboy]

I'm at a serious disadvantage! Im an art student! I can't afford anything! :)

[Kitiara]

Advantage - You're an art student and have access to lots of arty type stuff. :)

[asphaltcowboy]

no i dont! my college is teh cheapskate! (and anyway, I've pretty much finished my course already!)

aside: erk! results on monday! /me craps himself :-\

[Kitiara]

Then pull out your old ego and improvise. :)

Good luck with the results too, btw. :)

[fester8542]

I got dibs on godzilla!

Ha ha! This is gonna be cool

[Voetsjoeba]

Oh ****, I wanted to do the matrix ... Meh, I'll find something else :) I'm thinking about Saving Private Ryan.

[asphaltcowboy]

i'm sure it's crossed everyone's mind.. it's the obvious choice of the moment...

I'm hoping to come up with something more original.. :beam:

[Voetsjoeba]

Yeah, have to find something more original too

[Maxtr0sity]

I'm furiously gathering up lego dudes right now, it's hard, not a lot of people still have legos. I wonder if they just sell dudes in packages.

[asphaltcowboy]

mum said my old lego boxes are lying around somewhere... just a case of finding them! /me starts digging around the loft and ends up putting his foot through the ceiling.

I have no idea where it's all gone.. she claims she didnt sell it! :beam:

[Kitiara]

I have five crates, so some is going spare. :P

[asphaltcowboy]

lol :P

btw, did we decide about editing stuff 'out'? like wires? or was it a given that there should be zero photoshop editing?

[Kitiara]

Speech bubbles are allowed, and I guess if you have some really blatant wires that need eliminating you can do that.

But no special effects with PS. What you see has to be what was teken with the camera.

[Soul]

Italian job is good idea Kit :love:

- Soul :s:

[asphaltcowboy]

will it be difficult?

I'm trying to work out whether people are gonna putting together some comedy sets to make it that more authentic - it'll be like blue peter! washing up bottles and cardboard galore! ;)

[Kitiara]

Thanks, my film guru. :)

I thought about doing something by John Woo (I remembered this time!) but stop motion doves... Absolute bloody 'mare... :sure:

As for film sets... If I go for the Italian Job then I'm gonna need a model of Turin... :P

[Soul]

Use your desk :thumb:

- Soul :s:

[Kitiara]

My desk looks nothing like Turin, it's just a mess. :P

[Maxtr0sity]

i'm gonna make my own little set prolly...

[Black_Lightning]

the textboxes don't really need to be put in with photoshop, you can add them in the normal pic if you improvise a bit ;)..

i know a cool moviescene... but i'm affraid almost no one is gonna know the movie :(... boondock saints is not that well know to everybody it seems

[asphaltcowboy]

dont worry m8, I'm sure we'll.. believe you.... :beam:

[Maxtr0sity]

lol...or will we? ;)

[asphaltcowboy]

*cough* disqualified *cough*


j/k ;)

[TheOrangeOne]

woah, I've been away a few days and already all these posts! This battle is going to be EPIC! Maybe we should put a rule in about loading screens? I think people are going to need them......

[Voetsjoeba]

I'v e got another big question: How long should the animation be ?

[asphaltcowboy]

OrangeOne - I already said that preloaders (prefreably with progress bar or numbers or something) are essential ;)

Voetsjoeba: lord knows.. I dont know what a reasonable time length is...

[Kitiara]

Yes, you'll need a preloader in there. I don't think I mentioned it specifically in the rules, but movies of this size will certainly need them. :)

[asphaltcowboy]

you didnt mention them, but being supah-l33t, I did ;)
Originally posted by asphaltcowboy
Also, preloaders are very much essential plz! :beam: :P :P :P

[TheOrangeOne]

w00t.
all hail asphaltcowboy and his point-proving ways :)

[Maxtr0sity]

I think somewhere around 5 minutes, I don't have a lot of time on my hands and I don't think the majority has a lot either.

[fester8542]

Originally posted by Maxtr0sity
I think somewhere around 5 minutes, I don't have a lot of time on my hands and I don't think the majority has a lot either.

5 minutes?!

I was thinking like 30 secs to a min.

[Maxtr0sity]

lol, 5 minutes tops! Mine is probably around 1 min tops.

[Clown Staples]

5 minutes? 30 seconds?

frame rate?

10 fps * 5 minutes = 3000 frames..... unless some of them are held for longer, like a slide show

i dont know what to do... should i shoot for 1 min?
i picked a movie but not a scene yet


edit: WHOA! this is my 100th post.... I'm a senior member!

[Maxtr0sity]

lol...custom title?...i guess....1 minute ought to be enough for a movie...and everyone should star their own thread so everything doesn't preload at the same time

[Kitiara]

I'm going to say that a good length would be one minute. But if yours is over or under that's fine, as long as it's not way differenet, like 10 minutes or 10 seconds. :)

[asphaltcowboy]

lol :)

by the way, my involvement in this battle *might* be getting hazy... my friend is going to ecuador on 30th June... and may or may not take her digital camera with her.. she sounded like she didnt want to risk it (she'll be in the rainforest after all) so who knows

;)

[Voetsjoeba]

I'm in the exact same situation, it's my sister's cam I'm thinking of using, and she might be going to Guatemala this summer, and of course take her cam with here. But the people in Guatemala (Argh, hard word :P) don't respond anymore, so I guess it'll be solved ;) And a friend of mine also has digital cam so I guess it won't be a problem

Just wanted to mention :P

[Maxtr0sity]

My trouble would be time, I have so little time left, it's not much to think about this at all...quite sad...:(

[TheOrangeOne]

my problem is time also, i got loads to do, this stop frame thing will take ages! oh, well gues i will have to kiss sleep goodbye.

(BTW: how many of you are doing matrix? i was going to, then i realised it would be an obvious choice at the moment!)

[Black_Lightning]

lol, yeah obivious choice, i'm gonna try doing a scene from boondock saints probly, if i can't find one from a movie that everyone knows :)

[Maxtr0sity]

Now I'm having second thoughts on the Matrix Reloaded...

[asphaltcowboy]

lol. everyone's stressing about time.. there is actually quite a long time left.. :)

[Black_Lightning]

yeah, is there a end date set even?

[Maxtr0sity]

yea...july 7th i think...

[Black_Lightning]

july 7nth

lol, ok then i'm gonna have some trouble maybe ;)

there are two weekends of festivals between now and then for me

[asphaltcowboy]

Originally posted by Kitiara
<b>When:</b> 17/07/0317th! an extra (almost) 2 weeks :)

[Black_Lightning]

oh time enuf :)

[Maxtr0sity]

o definitely...i'm sure i can do it in...about...10 hours or so...

[Clown Staples]

4 weeks left. I havent started yet...

[Maxtr0sity]

Neither did I. :p

[Black_Lightning]

me neither, not much time

[Maxtr0sity]

Or just doesn't feel like a rush. Classical procracination.

[asphaltcowboy]

dont panic guys.. I havent even chosen a film yet :beam:

then again.. dunno if I'll actually have a digital camera to use ;)

[Maxtr0sity]

Lol, good luck!

[Voetsjoeba]

I haven't got a movie in thoughts either, but I do have a camera ( I get to use my sister's ) which took me a long time to find the perfect moment to ask :P

[Maxtr0sity]

I'm going to start stressing over this sooner or later. :(

[Voetsjoeba]

Count me out :( Can't use tha cam anymore ...

[TOOL]

Just a quick random note to all people participating in this battle...

If you're looking for inspiration with stop frame work, check out Tool videos! :beam:

Almost all of the videos they have made are based upon the stop frame or is it stop motion technique. Crap. I'm confused now. I think they are the same...

Sober
Prison Sex
Ænima
Stinkfist
Schism
Parabol/Parabola

Check them out. Awesome stuff :beam: :love:

[Maxtr0sity]

Where can we see them? Link?

[TOOL]

Ah sorry...

http://www.toolband.com/source/index.html
That is their official website but after clicking the link you have to click "Music Videos" in red at the top.

http://toolshed.down.net/0000.html
Videos can also be seen on that site but you have to click "Videos" from the menu... well it's "vide" but everyone can work it out I'm sure. :)

Let me know if there are any problems.

[Niann]

Is there a framerate restriction? I have never attempted stop action before, but this sounds fun. =)

Cheers!
-Niann

[Kitiara]

Nope, no frame rate restriction. :)

[Maxtr0sity]

Anyone start yet?

=)

[asphaltcowboy]

not yet! :thumb:

(still negotiating a camera.. then i've gotta pick a movie ;))

[Black_Lightning]

nope, i opened summer holiday by going to werchter music festival last 4 days :)... gonna start soon though

[Maxtr0sity]

I went to Cape Cod for a couple of days, I miss that place. Anyways, I really do need to get started though because it's really complicated and I have no idea what to do anymore the more I think about it.

=)

[asphaltcowboy]

ok.. doesnt look like I'll have a camera :(
so unless someone wants to lend me one.. I'm out :*(

[Maxtr0sity]

Lol, looks like 2 people are out so far. :(

O well, I guess it'll be between the few of us that are left, but just between the few, anyone actually got idea or started somewhat?

=)

[Soul]

Nope

[TheOrangeOne]

im still up for it! have great ideas, just need the time to do it (curse my evil three week training courses, CURSE THEM I SAY!)

[Maxtr0sity]

A little over the week left, still no progress. :trout:

=)

[Black_Lightning]

nope no progress lol :)... too much work to keep me off it

[Maxtr0sity]

Lol, me too. I think I might have to start this weekend, otherwise, if I don't, then I have to be out.

:blush:

=)

[Maxtr0sity]

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeek. Three more days and I still havn't decided or started. I might have to bail or make some lame thing if it comes to it. :P

=)

[asphaltcowboy]

lol, you might win... i dont think anyone else has started either :P

[Maxtr0sity]

Lol.

This was fun at the beginning, I did give it a try. But it came out like crap. I sat the camera on a cup but then as it was rezooming to take a picture, it fell in. I'm soooo retarded, why didn't I empty it out. :hangover:

=)

[Maxtr0sity]

1 Day Left.

=)

[Maxtr0sity]

So far, I think the following people are still in:

TheOrangeOne, Kitiara, S-fx, Jax, RedViper, Fester, Majeye, Maxtr0sity, xxviii, Clownstaples, Golgi, Black_Lightning, Fester.

Anyone else quitting?

=)

[Soul]

Originally posted by Maxtr0sity
I sat the camera on a cup but then as it was rezooming to take a picture, it fell in. I'm soooo retarded, why didn't I empty it out. :hangover:HAHA :beam: Hehehe

[Maxtr0sity]

The camera fell half way through and got stuck, but parts of it did have contact with Pepsi.

=)

[Black_Lightning]

lol, well i'm kinda out. got set back with other work so i haven't found time to start. =(. better luck next time i hope

[Maxtr0sity]

So it's:

TheOrangeOne, Kitiara, S-fx, Jax, RedViper, Fester, Majeye, Maxtr0sity, xxviii, Clownstaples, Golgi, Fester.

[Maxtr0sity]

O god, I'm out. I have no time at all for this. Sorry you guys. :(

It's:

TheOrangeOne, Kitiara, S-fx, Jax, RedViper, Fester, Majeye, xxviii, Clownstaples, Golgi, Fester.

=)

[Kitiara]

I don't know if anyone has managed to do anything... How about we give it another month?

[Maxtr0sity]

O sweet, I'm in. Thanks a bunch Kit. :thumb:

=)

[Kitiara]

No problem. :)

Mine has fallen by the wayside a little too, but it would be a shame not to have the battle. :)

[Maxtr0sity]

So it's 8/17/03?

[Black_Lightning]

hmmm count me in again then :D

[Maxtr0sity]

Hehe, on 8/16/03, everyone is going to dropout again.

=)

[Black_Lightning]

probly ;) hehe. Well it depends how much work i can get done the next 3 weeks

[Maxtr0sity]

Or how bad of a procracinator you are. :P

=)

[Black_Lightning]

/me gets dictionairy

pro..

procrani...

hehe not in there :)

so i'll consider it as a compliment ;)

[Maxtr0sity]

Lol.

It's pro-cra-cin-a-tor

I think. :P

=)

[Black_Lightning]

anyway it isn't in there. the basic dutch-english dictionairy doesn't cover that kind of big words ;)

[Maxtr0sity]

Lol, you're dutch.

=)

[Black_Lightning]

big mistake my man... never call a belgian dutch :)

really bad idea ;)

[Maxtr0sity]

Belgian, Dutch, no difference. :P

=)

[Black_Lightning]

sjeesj, some ppl will never learn :p

[Maxtr0sity]

:P

Note: Max is slightly defected.

=)

[TheOrangeOne]

w00t another month! im in.......
....again :crazy: