Vista!

[Esherido]

Well it seems Vista is being released for sale today if I'm correctly informed. :P Or maybe the guys over at Microsoft just delayed it again. :rock:

[icleric]

no it is finally released :D... you can order it now

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/default.mspx

[Templarian]

It was at best buy yesterday. It was in its nice packaging.

[hybrid101]

*still waits*

city sucks at these releases. bet stocks arrive in a few more weeks

[bwh2]

so am i the only person who pronounces it "veesta"?

[BS]

so am i the only person who pronounces it "veesta"?

I hate it when people say that :|

[DDD]

Still waiting for my freebie from Powertogether. Got my office 07 yesterday.

[chrisclick]

:P I'll be getting Vista soon :P Ordered it with my new laptop :D

[BS]

Sweetness

[killahert]

to buy Vista I found the cheapest so far for US$220 at http://www.royaldiscount.com/miwivi.html?ovchn=CNET&ovcpn=cnet&ovcrn=Microsoft+Windows+Vista+Ultimate+Upgrade&ovtac=CMP#
Has anyone found a better deal?

[wizard]

so am i the only person who pronounces it "veesta"?No, I say it like that when I'm saying it in Spanish.

[Jeff Wheeler]

"Veesta" is for weirdos. :P

So, does anybody here actually bought it yet, non-OEM?

[Stratification]

to buy Vista I found the cheapest so far for US$220 at http://www.royaldiscount.com/miwivi.html?ovchn=CNET&ovcpn=cnet&ovcrn=Microsoft+Windows+Vista+Ultimate+Upgrade&ovtac=CMP#
Has anyone found a better deal?
Yeah, it's $199 at the place I go for all my computer parts:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16832116213

[hybrid101]

will be checking later in the local computer store. like my pc can even handle it...

[Esherido]

Newegg's got 'em really cheap, I know that was already pointed out, but most of them are for "system-builders", they say it can't be installed again in the info.

[Jeff Wheeler]

I.e., OEM.

[3d Nirvana]

just finished installing Vista Ultimate and Office Ultimate yesterday, i love em!

(thank god for the Microsoft store... those things are expensive!)

[BS]

Microsoft Store? No one likes me:h:

[Theros]

Microsoft Store? No one likes me:h:

MSDN Network?

[kirupa]

The MS Store is an actual building where MS employees + friends get a lot of MS stuff at extremely low cost.

:P

[Pasquale]

:-o oh god can anyone g me up with a discount?

[Pasquale]

*ooo btw MTsoul this will interest you:

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932

[Esherido]

Cool! I might do that. :P

[Strength]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6320865.stm

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3513_7-6689143.html?tag=bubbl_3

Way to go Microsoft! :D

[paddy.]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6320865.stm

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3513_7-6689143.html?tag=bubbl_3

Way to go Microsoft! :D

Now that's what we call inevitable.

Personally I think Microsoft really need to start over and build the next Windows release from scratch.

:flower:

[MTsoul]

*ooo btw MTsoul this will interest you:

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932
That's.. just great.. Install Vista once in order to install Vista again...

[Esherido]

Well you can get a full version of vista off of just an upgrade disk. ;)

[BS]

Vista will be great cant wait till Esheridos install disk dissipears and reappears on my desk.

Paddy Duke I love your Avatar and Footer

[paddy.]

Paddy Duke I love your Avatar and Footer

Merci buckets!

[BS]

i'm posting this from my wii (-:

[chacelp]

EFollett.com has a lot of software for sale prices if you are enrolled in school. Microsoft Office Professional 2007 w/FREE Flash Drive - 512MB (NEW!) only 200 bucks.. Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Upgrade - 89.98 plus tax and shipping.. :hugegrin:

[BS]

^Sweetness

[Pasquale]

That's.. just great.. Install Vista once in order to install Vista again...
Well at least ya only need one disc you poop!

[Esherido]

Yeah! You can get the full version just from an upgrade disk! :D

[Pasquale]

:D IM definately buying the upgrade now :)

[BS]

Darkmotion Can you buy me one to? :ne:

[hybrid101]

haha, even just the license would be great for me:P
buying sooner or later;)

[Esherido]

Announcement:
I'm going to be buying Windows Vista Ultimate either today or tomorrow!

[Pasquale]

CAn you buy mine too? :D

[Esherido]

Send me $360 and I'll consider it. :P

[TheCanadian]

Why would you pay an extra $160 to buy something with features that you'll never use unless you plan to encrypt all of your top secret data and network with your subsidiary companies. I mean you don't have any high profile, confidential, business merger, investment fraud type documents I'm expecting.

[Theros]

Why would you pay an extra $160 to buy something with features that you'll never use unless you plan to encrypt all of your top secret data and network with your subsidiary companies. I mean you don't have any high profile, confidential, business merger, investment fraud type documents I'm expecting.

yrar! I hear you... I'm going to stick it out with my painfully outdated XP till at least 2008 :P

[Esherido]

I'm getting Vista today. At least I hope I'll have time to go out and buy it. :P Maybe my next post here will be from Vista. :D

[Theros]

I'm getting Vista today. At least I hope I'll have time to go out and buy it. :P Maybe my next post here will be from Vista. :D

I don't understand the need for it... at least for myself... XP or Linux will be fine for me for a long time to come...

[phorte]

But eventually we will be forced to upgrade to Vista, and i have a feeling microsoft will push vista upgrades a lot harder and sooner than they did with XP upgrades.

[Esherido]

But eventually we will be forced to upgrade to Vista, and i have a feeling microsoft will push vista upgrades a lot harder and sooner than they did with XP upgrades.

Of course! They want to make money don't they? :rabbit:

[Templarian]

^Money... other than buying vista... its free to use and all patches that come with it.

[TheCanadian]

yrar! I hear you... I'm going to stick it out with my painfully outdated XP till at least 2008 :P
Actually I was talking to esherido about Ultimate vs. Home Premium. It seems to me that he wouldn't use the extra features in Ultimate, which would cost him a lot more.

[BS]

I was the one whoconvinced him to go with ultimate

[pablosci]

i have a question to the people that install vista. is it really good? your computer works at the same speed or faster? the new applications are good? do you have problems to play data protected with drm?is it really worth it? does the 3d desktop is good for something? (top desk 1.4.1 make the same effect at xp), i also read that aero interface eats the laptops baterries.

[BS]

A friend of mine installed it and he said it runs much faster than XP but his laptop had a core duo 2 and he was running the buissness version

[kirupa]

i have a question to the people that install vista. is it really good? your computer works at the same speed or faster? the new applications are good? do you have problems to play data protected with drm?is it really worth it? does the 3d desktop is good for something? (top desk 1.4.1 make the same effect at xp), i also read that aero interface eats the laptops baterries.
Opinions will vary, but for me, Vista is as good as sliced bread. And I am somone who loves sliced bread. Regarding built-in applications, which ones specifically are you asking about? Most of the built-in XP applications were modified slightly, but some applications like Media Center were changed a lot.

When it comes to playing media files, if you can play it under XP, you'll be able to play it in Vista. Some newer content may have more restrictions, and Vista includes mechanisms to enforce those restrictions. I haven't had any of my media that worked pre-Vista stop working because I upgraded to Vista.

The 3D desktop by default doesn't do much, but application developers can write applications that take advantage of the fully 3D desktop. While TopDesk simulates the effect of Vista, it is doing so in software mode. Your main CPU is spending resources handling the display. In Vista + Aero, your graphics card handles all of the display tasks, so that's a huge benefit over XP.

To address your last point, your laptop's battery life may decrease because your graphics card's fans work a little extra. Because the interface is handled by your graphics card, it has to do extra work - work that it only did when playing games before. Many newer laptop models feature better cooling to prevent this, so it isn't an across the board reduction in batterly life :)

[Theros]

Opinions will vary, but for me, Vista is as good as sliced bread. And I am somone who loves sliced bread. Regarding built-in applications, which ones specifically are you asking about? Most of the built-in XP applications were modified slightly, but some applications like Media Center were changed a lot.

When it comes to playing media files, if you can play it under XP, you'll be able to play it in Vista. Some newer content may have more restrictions, and Vista includes mechanisms to enforce those restrictions. I haven't had any of my media that worked pre-Vista stop working because I upgraded to Vista.

The 3D desktop by default doesn't do much, but application developers can write applications that take advantage of the fully 3D desktop. While TopDesk simulates the effect of Vista, it is doing so in software mode. Your main CPU is spending resources handling the display. In Vista + Aero, your graphics card handles all of the display tasks, so that's a huge benefit over XP.

To address your last point, your laptop's battery life may decrease because your graphics card's fans work a little extra. Because the interface is handled by your graphics card, it has to do extra work - work that it only did when playing games before. Many newer laptop models feature better cooling to prevent this, so it isn't an across the board reduction in batterly life :)

Heh, not to sound like a Linux advocate... but here...

http://desktoplinux.com/articles/AT9727687530.html

And, about that DRM stuff? What the heck???

[Esherido]

I was the one whoconvinced him to go with ultimate

You didn't convince me to do anything liar. :ro:

[pablosci]

oh
thanks for the answer
i just trudly dont know if i get vista or try linux for the first time
i let here a link a found and i was reading
is about drm and vista, thats why i ask about it
( http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html (http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/%7Epgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html) )

[Esherido]

I don't really care that much about DRM, mainly because I don't illegally download music so it's not really a problem. And if it does affect performance I don't really care because my 3.6 GHz 64-bit Pentium 4 will take down pretty much whatever I throw at it.

[pablosci]

what about a protected hd-dvd o bluray you rent? or give you?

[Theros]

what about a protected hd-dvd o bluray you rent? or give you?

Yep, like in that article I posted above, you will run into DRM period.... there's not running away from it, its like Starforce CD protection lol...

[-infect-]

I haven't really looked into vista all that much. I can pretty much wait until the first big update comes out especially if the only big bonus to it is security. I'll probably just wait until I get a new computer.

[Esherido]

what about a protected hd-dvd o bluray you rent? or give you?

Plain old DVDs are fine for me and I don't think I'll ever require anything better for at least the next 5 years. :s:

[BS]

Posted by Esherido
You didn't convince me to do anything liar.

Are you kidding me?:crazy: :h:

[BoonDock]

Plain old DVDs are fine for me and I don't think I'll ever require anything better for at least the next 5 years. :s:

Good idea because Blu-Ray will surely fall short ...

[Theros]

Good idea because Blu-Ray will surely fall short ...

yeah.. I don't think its worth it to buy a Blue-ray player or a HD-DVD player as its all just unknown in the future what we will use

[-infect-]

Blu-ray is cool but I don't think it will win the standard war just cause of the name. HD-DVD at least still has the name DVD in it. People are afraid of new things. I personally could care less until it is the standard.

[danulf]

I feel that I have to post this... I just have to.
http://www.little-gamers.com/index.php?comicID=1530

[Theros]

I feel that I have to post this... I just have to.
http://www.little-gamers.com/index.php?comicID=1530


ROFL.... except people use Macs in sweden???

[danulf]

the rich ones do...

[Theros]

the rich ones do...


heh.... guess its the same here

[Mohit]

And I thought topic's name was "Vista!" ;)

[Esherido]

Thanks for needlessly reviving this thread. ;)

BTW: BoonDock, your footer is .59 KB too large.

[danulf]

says 16 kB (15 963 byte) :hugegrin:

[paddy.]

I don't really care that much about DRM, mainly because I don't illegally download music so it's not really a problem.
DRM is never a problem if you download music/movies/etc. illegally. Only legal downloads have DRM. This is because CDs and DVDs usually do not have any form of DRM. Since most illegally available music or movies is originally ripped from a disc, there is no DRM.

[BoonDock]

Thanks for needlessly reviving this thread. ;)

BTW: BoonDock, your footer is .59 KB too large.

Uh ... no it isnt? ... ?? :h::huh::ponder:

[Joppe]

Uh ... no it isnt? ... ?? :h::huh::ponder:

Lolifox says it is, and Lolifox speaks the truth :geek:

[Ordinathorreur]

The last time I got excited about a Windows release it was 1995.

Thats over 10 years ago.

[Theros]

The last time I got excited about a Windows release it was 1995.

Thats over 10 years ago.


What's Vista? :beer:

[hybrid101]

^:P
and btw guys, any difference between the OEM version and retail(except the price?)

[Theros]

^:P
and btw guys, any difference between the OEM version and retail(except the price?)

No Box with OEM, and I heard you can only install it on one computer (*CORRECTION* One time*)... I think retail you can do more?

[3d Nirvana]

retail works with one computer and one laptop i belive

[fattony]

Retail comes with 32 and 64 bit editions of the OS, with a OEM you can install it as many times as you want on 1 system, if you upgrade the MB you just call M$ for a new key.

EDIT: Just ordered my Vista Ultimate from the egg Friday should be in on Wednesday, can't wait

[cryo.burned]

well when i looked at a preview beta for vista like 3-5 months ago it sucked and had serious CPU issues when switching between windows and stuff... apparently it stil has this issue! muhahaha microsoft i hate you..

[Esherido]

cyro, this thread is not about bashing OS's, it's about Vista. So if you like or don't like Vista it's fine to say that, but just being a jerk and trying to make an OS look as bad as possible isn't what kirupaForum is for. Take it to some other place.

[joshchernoff]

I have xp 32 bit but I want to upgrade to 64 bit vista I wonder if they will let me do that?

[kirupa]

Based on what is written here (http://discuss.extremetech.com/forums/1004356157/ShowPost.aspx), it looks like you can. I've never tried it, so I don't know for sure.

[Esherido]

josh, check your processor specs to make sure it has 64-bit technology. If it does then you can probably upgrade, though you may lose your programs because on 64-bit Vista it has two different Program Files directories for 32-bit and 64-bit applications. ;)

[Pasquale]

oh wait- in the upgrade you do keep some of your old apps?

[venkatx5]

Hai,

Windows Vista No doubt an Ultimate OS. Provide excellent User Interface [GUI]. Extreme security/Process Speed and Management Feature. :mu:

Every Postive end has a Negative End.. Vista too, It's not suitable for those who are using 512MB or minimum RAM. Vista requires Minimum 512 MB. :stunned:

Vista requires 3 GB Hard disk space for installation/system files, whereas Windows XP requires 500 MB approx. :asleep:

For Multimedia and Hi-Fi User Vista is best and ultimate.. :mu:

http://www.geocities.com/venk_17/vssign.jpg (http://www.geocities.com/venk_17/)

[fattony]

Heres some Vista flaws:

Indexing service eats up the cpu big time, if you try copying any files over that are large, you may think your computer has crashed.

No more DirectSound3D, no more EAX... DirectX 10 no longer supports this.

And of course the dreaded run as administrator lol, if a program needs to update itself you need to run as administrator otherwise the program will just laugh at you.

[Esherido]

Yeah. I'm having that problem with the auto-update on CS2, I'm trying to disable it but it won't. :mad:

[evildrummer]

And of course the dreaded run as administrator lol, if a program needs to update itself you need to run as administrator otherwise the program will just laugh at you.
Sounds a bit like a linux/GNOME feature, where it requires you to give admin password to use? Oh well, I wouldnt find it that annoying + I heard you could change it so it only comes up with certain things like: .exe's that try and modify system files and stuff like that.

[Pasquale]

so do you have to re-install all your apps on upgrade ?

[kirupa]

If you don't select the Clean Upgrade option, then no, you won't have to re-install all of your applications. If you do decide to do a Clean Upgrade, all of your applications will be gone but all of your documents/files will still be there :cyclops:

[Pasquale]

Sweeet. It usually takes a whole day to install all my stuff, so this is all cool :)

[hybrid101]

@ fattony
you could turn off User account control in the control panel:P

[joshchernoff]

josh, check your processor specs to make sure it has 64-bit technology. If it does then you can probably upgrade, though you may lose your programs because on 64-bit Vista it has two different Program Files directories for 32-bit and 64-bit applications. ;)

I'v always been told you can run 32bit programs under 64bit cpus

[fattony]

If you have a 64bit system thats x64 yep you can, if you try it on a Itanium (spelling) 64, IA64 it will not work. All AMD64's and Core2's run 32 and 64s no problem.

It's not the programs you need to worry about it's the drivers.

[Templarian]

http://www.gamespot.com/events/gdc07/story.html?sid=6166892&pid=932095&tag=topslot;title;1

^This is a good read it explains a lot of advantages to the new game scheme they have for installing games and how Halo 2 actually uses DX9 not DX10 (which i thought it did but vista only is for other reasons).

[Esherido]

I'v always been told you can run 32bit programs under 64bit cpus

You can run 32-bit programs on 64-bit CPUS. I don't remember ever saying you can't. :pa: