is kazaa getting weird?

[lava]

I tried to download a couple of songs yesterday, and after I downloaded them, I found that it was just empty files. Has this happened to you?
Thanks
Raf

[pinx]

I HATE KAZAA.

[Soul]

I dunno if its anything to do with Kazaa, might just be some people with blank files. They don't check them or anything :)

- Soul :s:

[fester8542]

Its definitely how the .mp3 was made.

I have run into this a few times....

I like to click "preview/play" just to see if its actually the song I am looking for while its downloading.

Kazaa is cool how it creates temp files instead of saving the actual .mp3, and if you stop the download it will remove the temp file.

I always take advantage of that and download 2-3 versions of a song at the same time, and then cancel out the ones that are downloading too slow for an impatient person like myself :)

[Kitiara]

I'm still mourning the day that Audiogalaxy got the boot... I never had any problems with that site whatsoever.

[lava]

well... I never had that problem before. I think the Recording companies are starting to stick in blank files in the network... If a new album comes out, and all the mp3s on kazaa are blank, people might get discouraged from downloading.

[[Legoman]]

yeah, they've been doing that, they also put files which have the first 30 seconds or so then are blank for the rest, so if you preview it, you still think you're getting the song.

[mjULTRA]

..and then they might actually hafta pay for their Music! :gasp:

[mlk]

what you can do in kazaa is check the integrity of files, if a file is rated 'excellent' chances are 99.999% that your mp3 is not a dub...

[fester8542]

They can do whatever they want, but untill they stop charging $15 or more for a CD that cost less than three cents to manufacture print and ship then there will always be a medium to rip the music.

The only time I would ever consider purchasing a CD is if I really really like the band and will like it no matter what. Plus I think they deserve the royalties from the sale.

If I dig one tune on the radio I am not going to gamble $15 for a disc that will probably have 1-2 listenable songs on the CD.

On the flipside there are a few companies that will let you purchase "Tokens" to download from lists of thier selected music on thier websites. I believe apple just launched something like that. If you paying a buck a song and download 15 songs you like at CD quality, it make allot more sense than paying that for a whole CD that just bites.

The downside to those services though is the selection, you only get the "popular" songs and get nowhere near the diveristy of a file swapping service.

[Soul]

I rename my songs to other names, so when people download them they think they're getting a different song, mwhaha :bad:

I'm funny :thumb:

- Soul :s:

[mlk]

you know what, ive actually found a few good tunes thank to netscape radio and actually bought the cds, internet helped me find good music, not rip off cds

[asphaltcowboy]

lavaboy, if they're new songs.. it might not be kazaa.. the record companies are getting so angry that they flood p2p networks with duds (simple loops) and blanks so that all the users download those instead of the actual tracks, making real ones harder to find.

[nobody]

fester..
it takes 20 bucks to paint a picture, but they sell for thousands.. are you sayin stuff should only sell for as much as it cost to manufacture?

[fester8542]

your talking apples and oranges 28

A painting is a single item.

You dont mass produce original paintings, and when you do they are sold for a buck or two more than cost.

a single CD sale's margin is 400%!

Its sick. Now if you are okay with spending that much loot for a single disc than more power to you. I know I am not.

[nobody]

Alright i see where your coming from..
but I still feel that they deserve money because we are gettin entertainment out of them, and they need to make a living.
Maybe it should only be like 10 bucks or something...
I dunno, wierd topic

[fester8542]

It is a wierd topic.

But I find it disgusting that the record labels are getting more then three times the profit than the artists themselves. Should it not be the other way around?

[nobody]

oh, I wasn't aware that the record label keeps the majority of the profits.. thats crap.
Stupid record labels.

[Daveman]

From what i've heard Kazaa is run by an Australian company which is going through the same as Napster went through.. Won't be long before it's gone too...

Fester, I agree with you.. The record companies here take alot more than most people think. A friend of mine has just released their 2nd CD and are still paying for the recording of the first.. You have to sell a hell of a lot of records to make a profit here in Australia..

Also, why does the forum frown apon pirated software, but will provide links for music??

Dave

[lava]

There's a difference between profit and percentage of CD sales though...


Originally posted by fester8542
It is a wierd topic.

But I find it disgusting that the record labels are getting more then three times the profit than the artists themselves. Should it not be the other way around?

[TOOL]

Originally posted by Soul
I rename my songs to other names, so when people download them they think they're getting a different song, mwhaha :bad:

I'm funny :thumb:

- Soul :s:

LOL - ahhh that is funny you evil evil person :P

Recently I read an interesting article in Rolling Stone about how artists and bands don't get treated that well by the labels...That's when you have to be a smart band and tell the label to you know what...

Hey daveman, would I know this friend of yours? Are they well known here?

[fester8542]

Also, why does the forum frown apon pirated software, but will provide links for music??


Thats a good point. Its funny you mention it because I am all for ripping free music but not for applications....

I guess we are all full of double-standards

[chris9902]

yeah but if it's there for FREE!

how is going to say... "no, i think it will go spend the $1000+ instead2 when it could be a **** program like swift 3d

yeah ****ing right, like that happens

and how to stop musci swaping is become a teeny-bopper band and then little kids buy the music because they don't no how to steal it.:thumb:

if you look the most downloaded people are rappers and rockers

all bands that older (15-30) people like, you never see *nsync for download:sure:

[Jubba]

not true -- you type in nsync or backstreet boys and see how many downloads come up.

[pinx]

too many!!

[asphaltcowboy]

ye, I was about to say that about nsync.. anyway, they're clearly gods ;)

ok... so what about all the people involved in making that program? if everyone stole the program, the makers wouldn't get paid. their business would go under and they would (obviously) stop producing world-class products for you and I to use... and then YOU'D be the one that was ****ed..

but I guess you're ok with that? :sigh:

[chris9902]

i see we found some 'nsync fans:smirk:

[Kitiara]

Actually, I think that forum policy on piracy, illegal software etc extends to downloading music as well.

Sorry to be a spoilsport.

[Soul]

*slips Kit a fiver* :P

- Soul :s:

[asphaltcowboy]

I won't dare to ask what that's for ;)

:P

[eilsoe]

brownnose :P

[Kitiara]

Originally posted by asphaltcowboy
I won't dare to ask what that's for ;)

:P :blush:

[Soul]

;)

[asphaltcowboy]

:beam:

[sintax321]

The sales of a CD are split into points. THese points represent a dollar amount agreed open in the reccored deal(Usaly a $1 a point). Unless a band is indie or had a realy good lawyer there point scale isnt' to high. For like nsync on there original record deal the had a point each. Now when a CD cost 3 cents to make and ship and cost $15 and the band you like doesnt even see half the money i can see why ppl jsut download music.

If you really want to support your favorite artist go see them in concert. This is where most artist make the majority of there money. From ticket and t-shirt sales.

Also never use kazza. The addware and spyware alone dont' make it worth it. There is a program named Kazza Lite. NO add or spy ware at all. It ties into the same kazza network and has better speeds. It is the same app built with the same code and even uses the same graphics in the menu bar. It was created for a easy way to download music.

[thoriphes]

www.k-lite.tk for all you curious folk.

[sintax321]

Oh also one other thing. If a band realy wants to stop there music form being downloaded there is a very effective way. Just realese a doaen or so versions of the song all with crap recordings and spots of the song missing and label them all "CD quality" or "Good Version" or have one of those intros where the band talks about the song and where to buy it.

I have seen bands like Sum 41 do this. IT is very effective and makes it amolst impossible to get a good recording of a song.

[mjULTRA]

or you can do what Madonna did, and release bogus mp3's that start off with her saying loudly, "What the F**k are you doing?"

[sintax321]

Yep that is exactly what i'm talking about majeye.

[grimdeath]

its funny alot of people actually use p2p crappy programs i always recommend what i consider the best app when it comes to find whatever you want hands down its MIRC no competition to this fabulous app :beam: everything else is just a piece of sh!T JMHO

[thoriphes]

no competition? how about the rooms where they post ftps, or when you have to wait in unlimited lines, or queues to download something. I do have to say that i thank that program for some of the stuff i want. it's also where most things pop up first before hitting kazaa or any other p2p program. there's also bittorrent...

[asphaltcowboy]

Hang on, I thought we weren't supposed to talk about things like this? And people start posting links to Kazaa Lite and the like? lol!


Originally posted by sintax321
Now when a CD cost 3 cents to make and ship and cost $15 and the band you like doesnt even see half the money i can see why ppl jsut download music.sintax, honourable as that sounds... do you honestly believe that the majoirty of people download music because the artists are getting ripped off? No... people download because they don't want to pay. Free. Everyone expects everything to be free :/ Yes, I think CDs (here in the UK) are overpriced. I won't say I don't download songs, because I do, but if I like a couple of tracks, I will always buy the album.. and if I dont like it... well.. i'll delete it :)

in this respect, this increases CD sales (and leaves singles sales unaffected as I wouldn't buy a single regardless of whether I could get it free or not). But there are plenty of shameless people that download hundreds of full albums... how does this benefit the artist?

[sintax321]

i have never downlaoded a whole album in my life. If i ever found an album worth downloading the whole thing i buy it. Like System of a down, the white stripes, red hot chilli peppers bands that are worth buying i do.

But when a band only has a couple good songs and there CD is $15+ and a single is $5+ i can't jsutify the purchase. Especialy when the money mostly goes to recorcd company.

Also i dont' care what the majoties reasons are i know why i download music. I would rather save my money so i can buy a concet ticket when they come to town.

[asphaltcowboy]

m8, don't worry, I'm not doubting your good intentions. it's just that whilst there are quite a few people like us (who actually pay for stuff), there are millions more who have no conscience whatsoever - as such, the record companies have to looked at it in the most pessimistic way possible: that everyone is a theiving bastid :D

[thoriphes]

kazaa is not illegal, but using it is.

[lava]

well, asphalt, what debunks your theory of people not wanting to pay for stuff is iTunes. No one had ever expected them to do so well.

People like the convenience of not having to go to a record store, or having to buy a full album of crappy songs for a one hit wonder.

[asphaltcowboy]

well.. not sure about that one.. i'd have to take a look at the figures. but yes, it's definitely a step in the right direction. how much do they charge for a song lavaboy? I'm pretty sure 15 sngs from iTunes costs considerably less than a CD in the UK.

[grimdeath]

they charge 1 buck for each song

[asphaltcowboy]

how much do CDs cost in the US?

[lava]

from 13 to 20 dollars.

[Jubba]

yeah I've seen disks in the US that are 25 or so. Depends on the store, the band, the age of the disc, popularity, etc etc... usually around 17-20 for new release popular bands.

[thoriphes]

yeah, never buy CDs from Tower Records since they overprice everything they have. Best Buy or Circuit City is probably the best place to get CDs at a reasonable price ($12~$15) for well known bands. If you want really cheap CDs, i'd recommend buying from Wal-Mart or Target. they have CDs ranging from $5 - $10 on less-known yet awesome bands. of course, they have the popular bands at the same price as bestbuy/circuit.

[Jubba]

I buy everything online. Textbooks, CDs, DVDs... Amazon.com is the way to go. You can usually find really good used stuff $5-25 cheaper. Thats where I get all of my stuff.

[Jubba]

thor your footer confused the crap outta me.

[thoriphes]

what do you mean? (hehe)

[Jubba]

the mouse went behind the lettesr... its not supposed to do that! lol I didn't realize what was going on..

[asphaltcowboy]

amazon is pretty expensive (UK) esp with their shipping costs (even .co.uk). for all you british folks: http://www.cd-wow.com - every CD (pretty much) is £8.99 or less, no shipping charges. Fantastic prices tbh!

[Kitiara]

Yeah, I tend to get online CDs from cd-wow. Books and that I buy from Amazon, but music... :)

Oh yeah, and Lava, when's your next radio show up? :)

[Maxtr0sity]

for me, i use Direct Connect, it's a really heavily populated but low popularity service...it hasn't gone 'Kazaa' yet, everything it has is still 99% perfect. I get most of my music either my radio or MTV first, then if i like it...i'll download a few tracks...if i really love it, i would buy the album just to support the music industry.

[asphaltcowboy]

Originally posted by Kitiara
Actually, I think that forum policy on piracy, illegal software etc extends to downloading music as well.*cough*

:sigh:

[Maxtr0sity]

i think downloading is fine...as long as u don't rely on it for everything

[novatake]

wot i do i get my friends bands music put it on my pc change the name to liek whatevers popular or number 1 on the chart at that moment and then all my mates bands get heard if people like em awesome. Audiogalaxy was cool and really fast on my little 56k. I aint never come into contact with blank files I usually just get it off more than 1 person so it generally isnt a dodgy 1, You guys in america think u got it bad payin $15 for ur cds thats like 10 quid I have to pay £16 for my cds at the least when britain stops charging stupid prices or at least my local record store is when i stop gettin music, speakin of which i gotta download the new teen idols cd (i saw them on saturday with less than jake (myfave band) allistair and the pietasters ) so cya later alligators

-Tom

[Maxtr0sity]

kinda same with my band...i don't play in it, but i'm their official manager, to promote my songs, I name the ID3 tags of some really popular song on Kazaa (I don't use it), but the file name would be the actual band name. When someone downloads it, the file will say it's our band, but only the ID3 will say someone else's, at least, it'll give them a good trial of our music.

[asphaltcowboy]

Originally posted by Maxtr0sity
I name the ID3 tags of some really popular song on Kazaa (I don't use it), but the file name would be the actual band name. When someone downloads it, the file will say it's our band, but only the ID3 will say someone else's, at least, it'll give them a good trial of our music. em.. lol? you don't use kazaa? that's impressive, I thought the whole point of kazaa was that it's p2p file-sharing... how do people download your band's songs if you don't use kazaa...?

;)

[Maxtr0sity]

i don't use it for downloading, i use it only for promoting our music. I use Direct Connect for all my downloading.

[lava]

you know max, when I come across a song like that, I delete it, and it goes on my blacklist.

[Maxtr0sity]

lol...well...i guess so...we're trying to promote our music so that someday...it may actually hit a label or something like that. I guess it's a lame way to do it, but I can't reallly think of any other way. Also, we've posted our music on around...20-30 music sites, hopefully, we'll get something out of it.

[lava]

the best way to promote your band is to have a good show.

[Kitiara]

Lava, when's your next radio show going up? I need to prepare my defence... :P

[Maxtr0sity]

We play at all the local performances that I can get them in. Once, on a desparate attempt, I even booked my band for a slot in middle of a rap concert, it was pretty bad, all the African Americans just boo-ed us, but the other 60% where cheering. :)

[lava]

do yours first... haha.

[Kitiara]

Oooo, cheat!