The Lakers got screwed

[Ryall]

I can't F'ing believe it... Fox is out, and then D Gorge goes out last game with an injured ankle... now they are playing the second game against the Spurs with TWO rookies in!!!!!! What the hell. This is the worst luck EVER. Not to mention the very bad calles made by officials (or lack there of) in game 1. I'm depressed... mainly its the injuries that are killing us. I just had to get that out. :(

Peace

[reverendflash]

Girls' fast pitch softball....

right?

;)

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[andr.in]

tooo baaad! :-\

[pinx]

mwahahahhahahaahhahahahhaha

[pinx]

they are so overrated.

[reverendflash]

most things from LA are...

;)

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[pinx]

yeah like hollywood. and the entertainment television channel.

[reverendflash]

and how everyone is just so....


...blonde...


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[pinx]

oh god forbid!!!!

[.soulty]

Yeah i feel ya Ryall, I like the way george plays as well, i rather him over fox. Big bummer. Havent they got Rush to fill that gap?

[kirupa]

Oh well, a few more games left before the Lakers' fate is determined. Lakers are my favorite team - it is quite unfortunate to see this. I really hope they will win though =)

Overrated doesn't always mean bad hehe.

Cheers!
Kirupa :P

[SureShot]

No offence to you laker fans but I want nothing more than to see them lose... Dont get me wrong, I love Kobe and I love Shaq - both are fantastic players and on my top 10 but I am sick of seeing them win.

I want to see a team like the Pistons and Ben Wallace or Boston with employee #8 or even Philly and have Ivy shake off the "gangsta" image and take the ring but I doubt that will happen either. I have a bad feeling it's going to be those darn Spurs and their text book basketball... so boring - but so good.

Ah well - only time will tell...

[RenaissanceGirl]

Originally posted by reverendflash
and how everyone is just so....


...blonde...


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... and fake tanned and fake *****... :P

[SureShot]

This basketball thread got jacked pretty quickly :)


Only in Kirupaville....

[reverendflash]

Originally posted by RenaissanceGirl
... and fake tanned and fake *****... :P

or just plain fake...

;)

I really don't like LA...

;)

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[pinx]

never been so i couldn't say. i woke up this morning and saw my sister watching reruns of baywatch. WHY GOD WHY???

[SureShot]

The slow motion running, that's why! ;)

[Ryall]

I hate LA, but I looove the Lakers

K'Man... you're right it isn;t over yet, and knowing Phil Jackson he had a plan for game three after the first 15min of game two. We'll see what happens - I just hope that IF they get eliminated people dont start claiming that they were never as good as everyone said... cux thats the bigggest load of crap - they lost their two TOP small forward defenders, I mean come on!

Peace

[SureShot]

They are going back to La La land - the refs are going to do everything possible to make sure the Lakers win... The Spurs are going to have to play a heck of a game to take even one game in LA...

[Ryall]

Thats what I'm hoping.. Shaq and Kobe need to really step up, and the rookies need come and play hard. I am confident in Phils Zen'like mastery of this game (probably one of the best professional sports coaches for ANY sport of ALL time). I'm looking forward, but I must admit I am nervous.

Peace

[Ryall]

Oh and Mad-Dog needs to be all over the offensive rebounds (without fouling out in 5 min though!). ;)

[reverendflash]

Ryall:

let's see what old Phil could do with a last place team with no big name talent...

He's been great with Pippen, Jordan, kobe, Shaq, etc... I'd like to see what he could do with Tom, George, Sam, and Harry Nobody...

Basketball is all hype anyway. The longest period of time of anything in the world is the last 2 minutes of an NBA game... Even if the team is winning by 40 pts, they still drag out the last 2 minutes, as if they could still win, for hours...

Hype, Hype, Hype...

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[Ryall]

I agree with the hype.... esp the part about the last minutes of the game, I hate that and am pretty sure the huge advertising contracts have a bit to do with that.

However Phil makes champions out of amazing players... just cuz you have a team composed of talent doesnt meant that talent will be disiplined or work within a cohesive group where everyone has a specific role. Phil commands respect and gets it from players making 20 times as much money as him, he has to deal with the biggest egos in the league... and he's proven his ability to do so over and over... plus many of the superstars he has and is coaching NEVER won a championship until P.Jackson came along. His records speak for him, and the fact that under pressure of being fired (more than once and not just with the lakers) his top players all said, "if Phil goes, I go". That says something. People are always making the claim that he has had talent on his teams, but he made that talent into what it is today - he was instrumental in shaping and molding Jordan, and he is doing the same thing with Kobe, and even Shaq. He is an extreamly gifted coach. Making the argument, "lets see what he can do with a zero tallent basketball team" is not a good one. Coaches dont MAKE talent they control, mold and direct it. Give him the worst players in the NBA, yeah he'll improve them, but obviously their not going to the finals, and they wouldnt EVER with ANY coach. Phil Jackson is one of the best professional coaches in any sport.

Peace

[reverendflash]

Ryall:

That is a value judgement, pure and simple.

One of these days, he will not have Kobe and Shaq, but new players. Do you seriously think if he was the coach of the Timberwolves that they would be that much better of a team? I'm not saying that the players don't like playing for him, but weren't the Bulls garbage when Jordan left the first time?

If Rick Adelman (one of the worst coaches in history IMO) were the coach of the Lakers, are you saying they wouldn't be in the Play Offs?

Again, I am not a basketball fan, so take this with a grain of salt (my info could be years out of date), but to say that Phil is the best of <i>all</i> sports is a pretty big statement...

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[Ryall]

Like I said, coaches dont make tallent they help it shine - with a lack of talent (such as the timber wolves) there is less to make shine. I do believe Phil would make them a much better team over all, but without the talent you can only go so far. Give Phil a H.S. team, could they compete at the college level? Hell no, the talent is not there yet for him to control and guide and advise. Once again coaches dont create talent they manage it and make it work - and the best coaches can make it hum like a well built machine. And yes I do believe that if Adelman was coach of the Lakers they might not have made the playoffs - heck they didnt make it by much this year. Regardless of the talent on the team the coach is the one coming up with the game plan, he is coming up with the overall strategy. Yes the players with talent can make good things happen play by play, just like an infantry man can win a small fire fight, but if the bigger picture is not taken care of those individual successes will not lead to sucess for the team as a whole, thereby wining the war (to stick with my analogy).

Yes it is a big statement to say that Phil is one of the best in any sport ever, and I will stick to it. Granted there are many other greats out there - he is definitly top dog... look at many of the college football coach ledgends of 20 years ago - were they simply piggy backing on the talent of their team?? I would doubt it if most said yes. Phil is the same way - a man who knows the game from every angle and can combat any situation, on top of that he is a guru at motivating players, helping to keep cohesion within a team (just look to his years with the Bulls for evidence for this - Jordan was an A.Hole that pissed off the entire team and even had players thinking about quiting, but phil held them together and helped them to work as a team better than anyone else). Put simply he is an amazing coach, with amazing talent that will always be sought after by the best teams, not because they have the best players, but because he is the best man to Coach them.

Peace

[reverendflash]

then what about Pat Riley?

Didn't he have "the team of the decade?"

He was touted as the best, when he was winning... Then when he moved to New York, he is a also-ran...

I'm just alarmed that you are saying he is better than Don Shula, or Vince Lombardi, or Dusty Baker, or Tommy LaSorda, or any of the European Football coaches (of which I have no idea, but assume that the coaches are equally good)... Or even the great Red Auerback, or Mike Kyscheshki (Duke), or the towel eater who used to be @ UNLV...

A lot of talent out there...

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[replode]

I dont think the lakers will get out of this series. Spurs will win 4-1 just because LA doesn't have that fire, that drive that leads teams to championships. I think that they have the talent in Horry and Fisher to step up, but Shaq and Kobe, who will eventually outdo MJ, will have to step up. I hate to say it, but I think the Kings (queens, as shaq likes to call them) will win it all. But I would love to see AI win a championship.

And trust me, Kobe WILL get another ring before his playing days are over. I just wonder what will happen when shaq leaves the Lakers to Kobe, and he will have to take full control.

[Ryall]

Originally posted by reverendflash
then what about Pat Riley?

Didn't he have "the team of the decade?"

He was touted as the best, when he was winning... Then when he moved to New York, he is a also-ran...

I'm just alarmed that you are saying he is better than Don Shula, or Vince Lombardi, or Dusty Baker, or Tommy LaSorda, or any of the European Football coaches (of which I have no idea, but assume that the coaches are equally good)... Or even the great Red Auerback, or Mike Kyscheshki (Duke), or the towel eater who used to be @ UNLV...

A lot of talent out there...

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If you read my last post again you'll see that I am giving credit to all such coaches... esp people like V. Lombardardi (f*ing amazing coach too - blows my mind), LaSorda was awesome, but I have issues with him (not to take away form his tallent as a coach).... in NO WAY am I saying Phil is the BEST coach ever, I am saying he is in the class of the BEST EVER in any sport... this class includes some of the coaches mentioned by you. I'm not saying he is better than every one else, just a member and leader in this upper crust of elite professional sports coaches. Don't think I believe Phil Jackson stands alone, I just believe he stands among the best ever.

It would be impossible to name the best professional sports coach ever because there are too many differences and too many vars to consider between sports, but when naming those in the top, I feel Phil Jackson is among them, and one of the leaders.

Peace

[.soulty]

Man what was the deal with Game 2???? Lakers struggled hard, Pargo and rush did a alright job i guess since they are benches, but man, that was a blow out something bad. Phil looked stunned, but you must admit spurs couldnt miss, bowan shot what seven 3's , a playoff record. And stoped kobe on the d end. Game 3 coming up, lakers 2-0 , I'm ready for something to happen, either the lakers wake up or are going to be facing a team that they havent beaten this season looking elimination in the face. :-\

I'll be watching nevously as well Ryall. :-\

Go lakers !! :) i still have faith, lol

[reverendflash]

Ryall:

we cool...

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[Makaveli]

Originally posted by Replode
I dont think the lakers will get out of this series. Spurs will win 4-1 just because LA doesn't have that fire, that drive that leads teams to championships. I think that they have the talent in Horry and Fisher to step up, but Shaq and Kobe, who will eventually outdo MJ, will have to step up. I hate to say it, but I think the Kings (queens, as shaq likes to call them) will win it all. But I would love to see AI win a championship.

And trust me, Kobe WILL get another ring before his playing days are over. I just wonder what will happen when shaq leaves the Lakers to Kobe, and he will have to take full control.

WHAT!!?!!! WHAT!!!??!! Lakers don't have the drive that leads teams to championships? WHAT?! 3 in a row...3 in a row...come on man...

:scream:

So they are missing some key players, they still have Shaq and Kobe...its posible this time they may be outdone because of lack of depth and Spurs desciplined *textbook* basketball, but you CANNOT say they don't have the drive...unbeleivable...

[replode]

I meant this year. Sorry if you misinterpreted my statement. You could tell by their performance in the last 2 games, that they are wore out. In last years playoffs, they had a spark to them. Kobe and Shaq were unstoppable, and they were the most dominent team in the NBA. This year, shaq missed a lot of games, and Kobe was forced to pretty much carry the team.

In order for them to win a 4th, they need to get into high gear and get going. The lakers, when they are playing bad, can be as bad as any team in the league. When they are hot, and playing good, they are unstoppable. If kobe and shaq don't get going in game 3, then it's as good as over for the lakers.:-\

[Makaveli]

you are unfortunately right...sorry i exploded...

:(

So sad I am...though happy for the Kings...i love their style...

I would have loved to see a Sacremento Vs. Lakers rematch of Wester Conferance Final...

did i mentio how much i dislike Boston Celtics? i DOn't know why, i just do...its wierd...especially Antione walker...dunno

[replode]

dont be sorry, I understand the emotion that sports can present. i should have been more clear in the first place. anyways, I also dont really care for the celtics, but I do like Phili.

A lakers v. kings series would have tons of potential. If both teams were red hot, the score could be like 150+ for both of them.

[Ryall]

Well I'll sleep much better tonight: THEY WON, and not only did they win, they dominated!!! yahoooo! I'm feeling better already - nobody can come into their house and push them around.

REV: yes you're right we are very cool ;) :P

Peace

[kirupa]

Lakers lost :( Oh well, Dallas all the way!

[NaliWarCow]

Lakers didn't lose, they got owned. I watched the last 10 minutes of the game, and they weren't even trying. They were even getting booed in their own stadium. They didn't deserve to win based on what I saw. The kings were actually trying to win.

[Falex]

The last four minutes they weren't getting boo'd, the audience was applauding them for their efforts for the past three years. The fact is, after three years of mainstream mania, the Lakers were worn out. Rick Fox was out, Koby wasn't shooting well, Shaq was injured... several excuses for the Lakers losing. It's hard for any team to win four championships in a row, let alone three. Maybe if that three at the end of game five had fallen in for Horry went in (because it rimmed out,) we'd be singing a different tune, but that's not the case.

You can't deny, however, that San Antionio was just, all around, a better team. The Lakers were trying up until around the last seven minutes, the problem is, they were frustrated and made terrible mistakes. The fact remains, San Antonio was the better team, and they'll be the ones going on to the Western Conference Finals. Personally, I think they'll have an easier time with Dallas than Sacramento, what with Webber out of the picture now. Neither team has an answer for Duncan.

Van Exel had an impressive performance last night. If he has one similar in game 7, things might not look so good for the Kings. They have to contain Van Exel and crash those offensive boards if they want to win that game.

Still rooting for the Kings, as always. I want to see them beat Dallas (even if it seems remote, based on the fact that neither team has defeated the other team at home,) and against San Antonio... whew. San Antonio is probably going all the way. They put an impressive show on in that fourth quarter.

[replode]

Robert Horry has made soooo many crucial shots like that. i couldn't believe my eyes. i really wanted it to go into an intense game 7. in game 6, LA had the chance to take it, but they couldn't get going. phil jackson was pissed off bigtime, and he had a right to be. then after the game, they interviewed Kobe, and he was in tears.

anyways, i think dallas will beat the kings. Van Exel and Nowiniski(sp) are too domenint:)

[telekinesis]

JERSEY BOY HERE!!! ;)

[thoriphes]

what are you talking about arizona boy?

[telekinesis]

My family is from Jersey douche bag :P

I was born into a family that was obsessed with teams from New Jersey, expect for football, cuz they don't have one!

[thoriphes]

well, giants stadium is in new J right? i mean NY already has two football teams, they should give one to NJ.

[telekinesis]

Yes, I agree, hmmm Jets or Giants, which one would you chose? :P

[thoriphes]

well, if the jets didn't give up keyshawn i would've gone for them. but now they've got thrash, but i dunno if that makes up for him.

[RussianBeer]

Major league sports are so overrated..

I tried watching a game for a bit.. got bored and started flashing instead...

wouldnt you guys rather play the game instead of watching someone else play?

[Ryall]

Well, they lost.

I'm very sad to see them go, however I don't feel they deserved to win that game anyway. I wanted them to go all the way, but they played that game like they expected a win to be given to them. They did not play like the situation dictated = hard! I am really dissapointed, not so much in the loss, but in the fact that the lakers played the most important game like a second rate team with too big of an ego - nothing like the champs they are. Hopefully this is a wake-up call.

Well, now that I dont have my lakers to cheer for, I'll go for anyone that'll kill the kings! Hey REV.... ;)

Peace

[reverendflash]

Actually Ryall:

I'm so involved with my Giants, that all other sports seem to fade away... I may watch the finals, but only if friends are over, or vice versa... I will watch every Giants game I can, or if it's a daytime home game, go watch through the hole in the wall...

too bad about your Lakers... You guys are one of the few who can say "maybe next year" and mean it...

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[Ryall]

Originally posted by reverendflash
You guys are one of the few who can say "maybe next year" and mean it...
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I agree, and thank you for mentioning it - coming from someone who is not a big b-ball fan it is really cool to hear that... and yes, NEXT YEAR! We'll see if Shaq sticks around, as well as others, but I dont wanna talk about that - it makes me sad :(

So, REV you're a fan of the Giants? Ouch. That must not be too much fun ;) :P

Seriously though, they're not doing to bad this year (nothing special either... but I think that can be said about every team at this point!)... Personnaly I've been a bit dissapointed with the play so far this season regarding all the teams (but I will always hate the Yank's)

Peace

[reverendflash]

we are still 5 1/2 games ahead...

and we lost Nen for the season... Durham is on the DL... Barry hasn't gotten hot yet (.285), etc. etc.

But yeah, being a Giants fan can be tough some times (1993 was real tough. even worse than '89) but at least I'm not an Orioles fan... AL should be absorbed into the NL and everyone plays the same rules...

;)

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[Invis]

HAHA! the la(c)kers lost the series! yay!