ThinkPoint Logos v3

[Theros]

Hola amigos! I thought through it some more and came up with two new ideas... I tried making the flower into simplier shapes, but that really didn't work out very well and I trashed that idea. However, I though of blinds or boxes and I came up with the two things. One of them is just the flower and the other is a question mark, lightbulb and the flower all in seperate boxes... I dunno... I not too sure what else I can do to the flower

*EDIT* Perhaps some variation of the boxes, maybe vertical blinds or something...

[Anogar]

These are totally coming along. However, what is the weird dissolve effect that you're applying? Smudge or something? They limit the logo's printability. Ideally, a logo should have a clear outline. (Think Nike, McDonald's, etc...)

[paddy.]

Eww, sorry but they're all terrible. :ne:

The concepts are all just bad. And that orange isn't bright enough. ;)

EDIT: I decided my critique was too blunt, so I'm going to impart some advice. Go out to your nearest bookstore and buy a copy of Los Logos (or Dos Logos if you prefer). Flick through the book for a few days and look at what makes a great logo. Then take those concepts and apply them to your own identity.

[Theros]

These are totally coming along. However, what is the weird dissolve effect that you're applying? Smudge or something? They limit the logo's printability. Ideally, a logo should have a clear outline. (Think Nike, McDonald's, etc...)
Smudge? I didn't apply anything like that... but eh, I don't really like the first one too well, I dunno what I'm going to do with it....

Paddy is sorta right there, I can't figure out anything that looks remotely good with the flower when trying to simplify it

Thanks, Paddy yeah too bad it's hard to get a grip on logos from just looking at stuff... that sure didn't help me soo far.

[thesparky007]

here is my advice, start learning how to use adobe illustrator, like anogarlr said, vector logos are the best, they are indeed the ideal ones, once you start learning AI and doing tutorials, you will automatically start to realize and get better, so do what paddy said, buy the book and do what i said too

[ApixDesigns]

flip the colours on the use your brain part. brain needs to be the same colour as think imo. none of these are really all that strong. you need to think of something that has a meaning or symbolizes something.

[Theros]

Okay, I think I'll just leave a filler in my new design and come up with a new one later on down the road...

[=guinness=]

if you wanna go with boxes and a flower you could always do an abstract blossom with only squares in various sizes, kindof like looking at a pixel close up but use different sizes and tones to convey the color areas or shapes.

[Theros]

true, but wouldn't that be a bit complicated?

[Theros]

I played around in illustrator and I really want to keep the flower concept and so I make a very simple flower petal outline and while it has nothing to do with ThinkPoint.. I think it looks nice heh :D

[Anogar]

Improving every time. :thumb: Keep refining it.

[Theros]

I really like #1 and #3... Not sure what I should do to improve those? Any ideas?

[Anogar]

I think the lines in #1 are a little thin, and that the placement of each petal feels a little awkward.

[Theros]

Hmm, I'll have to play with it a little and probably it's a bit small so the lines look tiny... Also my *Logopond* thinking cap is on

[Anogar]

That's a good cap. :D

[paddy.]

You need to rethink your typography imo. Keep it simple, just use the colours to separate the words.

For example:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/Fla5h/tp.gif

That could be a logotype all by itself, without an icon.

[Anogar]

Heh. I actually quite like Paddy's version. :trout:

It's simple and clean, which is important, and has been lacking from your current attempts. Keep it up, you are certainly improving each time. :thumb:

[Theros]

oh.. I had an idea like that originally but it got shot down on this forum lol....Thanks for the idea Paddy Duke, Honestly, I rather just have a text logo and so let me go dig up a font to use...

[paddy.]

Heh. I actually quite like Paddy's version. :trout:

Woo!

Theros I could recommend a few fonts to you. The one I used is Myriad (Bold). Other nice clean fonts include Helvetica (and Helvetica Neue) and Avant Garde. All look good fairly bold and in bright colours.

[Theros]

Let me get out some fonts that are big, stark, and clunky! I always wanted to say that :P... I don't have Helvetica or Avant Garde? Those aren't standard Windows fonts? hm...

[Theros]

Here is all the fonts I believe could work with the Logo... Also keep in mind I am going to switch the dot colors in the I's... Which I did before on my first attempt but eh, whatever. I like the 1st, 2nd, and the last one. Also, its saved as a gif and so it should be white :(

[simplistik]

Umm... for the sake of sounding too redundant I won't go into detail... but I'll just say... BLEH... even to Paddy's.


here is my advice, start learning how to use adobe illustrator, like anogarlr said,
doesn't matter if he knows how to use illustrator or not... he needs to learn logo theory, and refine his skills in that... THEN execute them. similarly, I know how to shoot a gun... you just pull the trigger. but if I don't know how to aim... it's pointless to have it.

[Theros]

Umm... for the sake of redundancy I won't go into detail... but I'll just say... BLEH... even to Paddy's.

Bleh, I believe I gave up trying to make you happy a very long time ago heh, :beer: cheers!

[simplistik]

Bleh, I believe I gave up trying to make you happy a very long time ago heh, :beer: cheers!
You don't need to try and make me happy at all... has nothing to do with me... the fact of the matter is that they aren't good, your execution is very poor.

[Theros]

You don't need to try and make me happy at all... has nothing to do with me... the fact of the matter is that they aren't good, your execution is very poor.

Never said they good at all, but whatever. At least in this case it really doesn't matter as I'm designing for myself and for a blogish thing, so eh:pac:

[simplistik]

Never said they good at all, but whatever. At least in this case it really doesn't matter as I'm designing for myself and for a blogish thing, so eh:pac:
Then... why put it up for critique and ask for opinions if it "really doesn't matter"?

[Anogar]

It's about the process, and you're really coming along. You're doing well at following the advice that you get, so it seems that posting is a positive thing for you. Whatever Simplistik might say. ;) Keep at it Theros. :thumb:

[Theros]

Then... why put it up for critique and ask for opinions if it "really doesn't matter"?
Becuase I wanted to? Also, because I wanted to see if I could possible make it better.... What I mean is that I don't have to do the same process as I would for something else....

[thesparky007]

Umm... for the sake of sounding too redundant I won't go into detail... but I'll just say... BLEH... even to Paddy's.


doesn't matter if he knows how to use illustrator or not... he needs to learn logo theory, and refine his skills in that... THEN execute them. similarly, I know how to shoot a gun... you just pull the trigger. but if I don't know how to aim... it's pointless to have it.well, whats the point of learnign the logo theory when he doesnt really know how to execute it, what i am saying is he's got hte ideas but doesnt really know how to show

[paddy.]

As simplistik pointed out, it's no good learning to use the tools if you don't know what to make with them. Theros is coming along, but he still doesn't have a good enough idea of logo conceptualization to be able to create a good logo, regardless of how skilled he is in Illustrator.

[simplistik]

well, whats the point of learnign the logo theory when he doesnt really know how to execute it, what i am saying is he's got hte ideas but doesnt really know how to show
Do what!?! Are you insane man!?! :lol: :crazy: talk about jumpin outta a plane w/o a parachute. If you don't have the ideas and you don't have the proper knowledge of how to come up with a good logo... there's no point in tryin to execute it. Technical skills are the easiest things to learn.

Quite personally I think Theros has taken a few steps back. He's gone from lightbulb and brain to flower.... last time I checked when someone says think... flower is way down on the list of references if it was even on there to begin with. That's why I say he needs to pay more attention to the theory and concept of his designs.

[Theros]

Exactly^(To Paddy's post)... While that's not a great thing for me it's totally true and so I need to do some more research into creating logos... Most likely I'll check out that book Simp suggested unless anyone else has any other good resources

You jumped the gun.... Anyhow true it is that the flower really isn't related to "think" but I wanted to be a bit more abstract there... Anyhow my original idea was to just have a logotype consisting of text.... which ironically was shoot down in my first thread and then resurfaced here.

[=guinness=]

the logo is too complicated with 3 or 4 symbols and a logotype.

besides i dont know why people dont understand that the logo should be a mark not an image such as the flower, it should be designed not a photograph which is the only reason people use illustrator over photoshop in the first place for creating logos.

illustrator=illustration, photoshop=photography

a logo 99.99% of the time will never have a photo as the logo it will have a mark that has relevance to the product, service, or company.

you can definitely have abstract in a logo but abstraction does not mean random. the mercedes logo is 3 pointed star in a circle. it doesnt mean pimp rims and it doesnt mean they like tang. the 3 points represent the three areas they developed engines for: land air and water. abstract YET they relate to the company and the products.