Upgrading my Pc_need some information.

[Millad]

Before upgrading my Pc I whant to know somethings.

I whant to upgrade to P4. 2.3 mhz and many people say P4 dos not get hot fast but AMB processor get Hot faster than P4 !

AMD is cheaper but P4 is not !

-What is the different between Pentium and AMD ?
-Shall I wait for Pentium 5 ? is it the same prise ?
-If Pentium 5 comes do the prise of P4 gos down ?
-When shall P5 come out ?

I dont know what to buy `?

Thank you for the help.

[mlk]

what i've got to say is processor speed now are way far ahead of all the other parts of your computer... If you upgrade your PC make sure you put LOTS of ram, consider switching to 512m or more, and get a decent 3d card, either for 3d working or games...
I personnaly like AMDs better because I hate intel and they always make crap, processors that go half as fast as they claim...
If you upgrade the WHOLE computer than make sur you get a large screen too (if you do designing stuff) i personnaly have a 21" screen and im really happy even though it did cost lots of $$$$....

[kirupa]

It all depends on how much you are willing to pay for your upgrade. The newer Pentium 4 processors are by far better than what AMD can offer. Faster bus speeds and faster Rambus ram ensure that more demanding apps/games work well.

For casual use, I strongly doubt you'll see any major difference when picking either one. As mlk mentioned, ram is key - get as much as you can!

For some benchmarks, try this one: http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1810&p=18 The intel is marginally better than the amd in most non-business oriented tests.

Cheers!
Kirupa :P

[Millad]

If P5 komes out will P4 prises go down ?

and Motherbord Im bying is this.

"NOTE" I will Upgrade my pc few days before sommer. !!!

Motherbord_Information_sorry its in Nor. (http://www.komplettdata.no/k/ki.asp?action=info&p=25150&t=845&l=1&AvdID=1&CatID=10&GrpID=9&s=pl)


[This is the P4 2.4 prosessor_Information (http://www.komplettdata.no/k/ki.asp?action=info&p=23664&l=1&AvdID=1&CatID=10&GrpID=9&s=kom)

Tower Information (http://www.komplettdata.no/k/ki.asp?action=info&p=24480&t=589&l=2&AvdID=1&CatID=13&GrpID=6&s=pl)


Whant I saw pentium is good ! is that what you saying Kirupa ? !

mlk = I will buy MANY RAM ! I promes you that is cheap ! LOL

"They" did find out that P4 3.0 have a bug ! :trout:

This is improtant becouse Im having hard times here !
Im afraid that if I Upgrade I get a slow machine and many bugs like what I have here right now !

The pc Im using is a P2 350 mhz !

192 ram and its very good I used it to creat mostly everything !
from 3d to programming...

I have Geforce 2 Mx 100/200 !

I will keep my CD- Disk - secreen- but
I will change tower, motherbord + soundcard, Prosessor, Ram to 512 and I will upgrade ram every month !


Please tell me more !

Thank you very much! :)

[mlk]

Another thing, check out the RAM speed (i think it's either 66hz, 100 hz or a 133Hz) because if you dont have the same speed for every bar of ram it wont fit..

I really dont know about processors though, but I think anything over a ghz and a 1/2 is fine... Processors are developped much faster than all the rest...

if you are into game take care of a good sound card to... with a good dvd player you've got your own home cinema :beam:

[grimdeath]

I recommend AMD over Pentuim any day, just make sure you get a good cooling system if possible a watercooling one works wonders, and get at least 1 gig o ram

Hey Kirupa man why would you recommend a processor thats better under non business oriented tests?? I mean i use my computer mainly for business not just for show know what i mean??

[lemonizer]

I'm an AMD man myself. If you're worried about heat, don't. With a decent heatsink and fan you shouldn't have any problems... the new Athlon XP's and most motherboards also have a heat shutoff feature that'll power everything down before anything gets damaged.

My 1.63 ghz athlon xp 1800+ can easily outperform p4 chips up to 2 ghz in benchmarks, keep in mind it's not only the Mhz that you should look after.

[Millad]

AMD is cheap and good !

Every PC have a cooler right ? => see my tower information "link above"


Have you guys checkt the link above about the pc !

Thanx for the usefull information !

Now I dont know what to realy buy Pentium or AMD !

Im not looking for a advanced maskine I dont whant to pay that much for it !

I whant to know how many hours I can work with my AMD prosessor so that the AMD prosessor will get very hot ?

6 H

2 - 3 H

`? how many hours so it get Hot...etc ?


If it gets hot fast then >I will not buy like this type becouse its bad like after 6 or 5 hours its bad !



Thanx

:tb:

[senocular]

I like AMD. Thats just me. The new P4s with the higher bus speeds are looking nice though, and the hyperthreading is a treat. Of course if you google amd vs intel in terms of hate and sucks, you get about 5 times as many for intel ;)

[SureShot]

Us computer geeks can be so mean :)

I personally like AMD as well. I know that the new Intel's are supposed to be really fast but when you look at price comparison within the two - AMD is by far the better choice IMO. As everyone has said. You need at least 512 when it comes to ram. The more the better.

[Millad]

hehehe !

Okay If I buy a AMD with 2.0 + mhz
I need at least 512 mb ram ! I will right this note too !

I will not buy the "latest" P4 with 3.0 mhz I whant cheaper !

like p4 2.3.
:tie:

[senocular]

Ill just reinforce the RAM deal here. The more the merrier! ... that may not apply so much to laptops since it can lessen battery life ;) but otherwise beef it up!

[Millad]

I will buy AMD athlon XP 2400 + !

[Millad]

Ok !

I asked a PC "man" He told me :-

-If you buy a cheap thing then its bad something is bad in it ! "sometimes or most" thats AMD ! :(


-If A thing is high prise then its good and will last long ! = Intel P4. :)


I got worrid ! why is AMD cheap becouse there is a bad thing in it ?

:trout:

Pentium is good becouse it wins allwas other AMD. AMD is in the back allways and Pentium is creating better and better every time !

Im using Pentium !

Tell me what you think ?

[teed]

AMD ois cheaper because it does not put as much money into advertising and security actually built into the chip, which also sends them to the back because they never spend to much money on the advertising side, i personally have the AMD 2400+ and it is real nice and i also got a pentium 2.3 ghz and there is no way it beats the amd in speed maybe in security but this takes up speed in the processor i say go with the AMD 2400+ and get a ****e load of ram :)

[mlk]

yeah - intel and microsoft both are evils, they poison our machines....

[Millad]

Originally posted by mlkdesign
yeah - intel and microsoft both are evils, they poison our machines....


so you hate Intel Becouse its with Microsoft ?
Of AMD with Microsoft then you have AMD ?
becouse you are a Mac user ?

Im not like that I need to know who is the good one and effecktive so the prosessor will last longer and have good effeckt ! I can work good with webdesign and edit Images and Films and play games !


-He also told me That AMD is good for games and nothing other stuff ! just good for gaming !

-Intel is good for everything he said `?


I whant to know why you guys realy like AMD becouse Im a Microsoft user and I like Microsoft but I like Pentium and AMD And Im having trouble finding the right one for my pc !

If you hate Microsoft becouse they are with Intel and AMD is not thats out of the *

Whats wrong with Pentium and wrong in AMD and good in these ?


Just tell !

Note:- There are many people I have asked, they said AMD is better but they have WinXP and they like Microsoft !
I think AMD is good ! but I just need some more prove ! -information and prove !

thank you very very much.

just tell............. :A+:

[grimdeath]

Originally posted by Blastboy


-He also told me That AMD is good for games and nothing other stuff ! just good for gaming !

-Intel is good for everything he said `?

hahahha thats funny i wonder why he said AMD is best for games, maybe its because the processing speed and ram speed is better and because it renders 3D objects faster, AMD is better and faster than any Pentium chip except the xeon processor from pentium IMHO

[JuXtA]

My opinion:

If price doesn't matter go Intel,

if it does go AMD, its more bang for your $

Ive got a Athlon 1.8 and a pentium 4 2.4 both do enough for most of the stuff I ever use.

[Millad]

hmm !

Well if you have Athlon 1.8 and P4 2.4 ---> nothing is diferent !

P4 is high price and AMD is low price so AMD is good becouse its low price but same preformants and speed...etc `????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??? :trout:

[JuXtA]

I didnt say there wasnt a difference... obvisouly a 1.8 athlon isn't going to be as powerful as a 2.4 pentim 4, expecially with the difference in video card that i have. But for what I use it for (some programming, graphics and games) there both great.
I would go athlon but thats because im cheap ;)

My opinion: for the average user, hardware is much more powerful than most software requires...

[Millad]

cool !

Okay If I buy a AMD, how many "fans" do I need to buy for my AMD to "NOT Melt my Motherbord" :(


thx

[Millad]

My friend Bought a New PC a week ago !

He have P4 2.53 with 100 GB or 120 ?? and 512 ram !
He said there is no different with P4 or AMD !

He pc is so fast ! O man !! SO fast ! very better than me :hangover:

There is very big differents between P4 and P2 :elderly:

I just kant wait - P4 or AMD ! :hangover: :hangover: :hangover: :hangover:

[s-fx]

If i were you and I'm nor... I would buy a P4 processor, I had an AMD xp 2200+ or some bull**** like that. Anyways, the processor fan was gone for max 1-2 seconds and that **** thing just burned up. AMD gets TOO hot. Now I have a p4 2.53 mhz, it works great, not as much noise, very smooth.

Go for the P4! They're battling a lot with AMD so prices for the +2.0 ghz are lowered constantly, i bought my 2.53 for like 100$.

And i hade 2 fans and one Zalman copper cooling device thingy. Also, if you buy an AMD you better buy some silver CPU paste, its the best and it lowers the temperature a lot.

[Millad]

omG !

Thanks for your "post"

Someone says AMD and some say Pentium ?

Why did the *** thing burn ? becouse you Overcloake it or what ?
Im using it to Adobe photoshop and flash mx and webdesign + some games like Counter-strike and Splinter Cell...
3d max 4.............

I do not whant my PC to melt :hangover: :hangover:

I will ask PC engeneers and see what they say about this.

but I was just going to buy the AMD Athlon XP 2800+ :( Oh man this is hard ****

[Voetsjoeba]

I suggest go AMD. The Pentium 4's claim to go 2,4 GHz but the actual performance will be way less. AMD's processor runs at a lower clockspeed but they will easily outperform Intel P4s. That's why they're called 2400+ , it indicates that the performance equals a 2400MHz processor. In reality, it actually runs at 2,4 Ghz not like the P4 running at half speed all the time.

I've always liked AMD more, Intel's processors run at half of the speed they are supposed to. AMD's processors do what they're supposed to, they rule.

The key is RAM indeed, buy as much as you can, 512 MB is the minimum.

[Millad]

Thank you very much :)

I really like to choos AMD 2800+ and 1GB of ram...

Thank you very much all.

If you have any other information or something please lett me know by posting a reply.

:thumb:

[Voetsjoeba]

Good choice :) Some advice :

1) Make sure you have enough free PCI slots.
2) If you're up for gaming, buy the fastest card there is. At the moment, the ATI Radeon 9700 Pro is the fastest I think. Until GeForce 5 is released, that is.
3) If you're up for gaming, buy a decent harddisk too. It's a very important part of gaming.

That's about the most important part :)

[Millad]

ok I will remmember that to (-:

I will have about 40 or 60 GB then I will add more...
Ram yes 1 GB...

Motherbord well I must check, but how many shall I have of PCI slots ?

[Voetsjoeba]

Well, 4 or 5 free PCI slots is recommended, so you'll have enough slots to upgrade later.

PS If you have the money for it, try to get a motherboard that supports RAID striping. Boy, that's fast ! It cuts the general read and write time by half, which is a blessing for gaming :beam:

[Millad]

ok thanx a LOT man you help me much and also the other memmbers.

okay her me have 4 or 5 free pci slots and a Motherboard who support Raid striping... okay.

Waiting for more comments...

[chris9902]

intel is much better then AMD

i will try to find it but a uni in LA did some computer test and an AMD 2.4 come out the same as an Intel P4 2.1

so intel is much faster.

(i will try to find it before you start a fight AMD fans)

and you need that graphics and RAM updates

i have a Ge-force MX440 (pitiful) and 512mb Ram (not bad) and a 1.9 intel P4. My machine can handel anything apart for GTA3 for some reason, but i think that is my graphics card.

your looking at some really high priced up-grade you should look into getting a new CPU, they are only about £400 if you don't but a monitor and stuff with it, that what i did because i have a 19' sony monitor so i didn't not want a new one.

Although Ram is VERY cheao now and a new chip is not that much but it depends on what you want it for.

:thumb:

[Millad]

I whant it to not get hot and is fast and can handel games and graphic programs 3d programs...etc

Many guys said AMD is good ?

[chris9902]

buy a cooler and turn your PC off when you don't use it

my PC getting hot has never even been a issue for me or anyone i know for that matter:P

[Millad]

okay but a AMD 2800+ is a good prossecor :thumb:

[chris9902]

yes VERY

but not as good as an Intel 2.8

[Kitiara]

I've got an AMD in one of my home PCs, and never had any problems with it. It hasn't ever over-heated or anything, and I tend to be quite heavy on it with the programs I run. :)

[TheOrangeOne]

I would choose AMD over Intel anyday. I have found intel to be far to unstable and not as long-lasting as AMD. (also, AMD are cheaper :) )

[Millad]

cool !

you guys made me love AMD :thumb:

I liket Pentium becouse it was popular and have a cool name but what dose AMD stands for ? "American Media Devolopers" or something ?

[TheOrangeOne]

no idea. just tried a search for it, but just came up with e-commerce sites. It could mean anything. I like to think it stands for somthing silly like All Mighty Donky


("why, with a donky like that, i could take over the world!")

[Voetsjoeba]

Advanced Micro Devices.

[TheOrangeOne]

wow, thanks. learn somthing new everyday. :)

[Millad]

:trout:

Well Im going to buy a INTEL PENTIUM 4 - 2.4

Grahpic card is -- Sapphire Radeon 9200 Atlantis 128 MB DDR.

80 GB with 7200RPM 8mb

512mb of ram

MSI 645 Combo-L Motherboard S478/533mhz with soundcard, lan...etc

and much more...

But Inter pentium is the best, after my research :tie:



Waiting for comments...


Pentium 4 2.4 baby (http://www.komplett.no/mlf/produkt/bilder/CDS/I95150.jpg)

[Voetsjoeba]

*dramatic saviour attempt* Nooooooooooooooooooooooo :!:

[Millad]

Pentium 4 last much longer than AMD !

What do you think about the graphic card ?

[TheOrangeOne]

intel baaad. :angry:
AMD GOOD!:thumb:

[Voetsjoeba]

LOL :P One

Hmm I don't know about the graphics card .. looks kinda weakend version ... I should go for the official ATI's.

Intel :hangover: AMD :ub:

[Millad]

Okay her is an example ! okay...==>

Some guy have a big company that have big bussines ! :cool:
The guy`s company need to have the lates and best processor in the world. You go to the Pc marcet and see that Intel Pentium is the best and have high price because it give you "the good things" but this guy have big company he dont give a **** about money, he knows somethig that his granfather told him. Everything who is low price is not good and dont last long, but the high price thing will last longer and give you the things you whant it to. well this guy
will definatly buy Inte Pentium becouse it have high price and last longer with good "Security"

Intel creats processors for bussines using not just home using.

__________________________________________________ __
NOTE :-
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>This is what I think of Intel. But if you like AMD I respect that !
>Dont get mad and so on... I respect AMD and Intel !
If you whant to discuss it please post it here, without getting angry about this, discuss it antil we find the right answer :beam:

[TheOrangeOne]

have you considered the possibility that intel is more expensive, simply because it is a better known brand? I respect the fact you like intel, so if thats what makes you happy then go for it!

I just dont think you should always follow the "greater expence = greater quality" because it simply isn't true all the time. E.G. Mc Donalds. Their burgers are expensive and the quality is very poor (trust me, i worked in one for a bit). The cafe down the road from me has cheap burgers without the pretty packaging, but are better quality.

The same can be said about intel and AMD (in my opinion). Intel has pretty packaging, and spends a lot of its money promoting its products. We have all seen the adverts. AMD simply relies on the fact that it produces good, reliable, stable chips and doesn't need pretty packaging and shiney adverts.

[Millad]

I dont know about this. I have talk with Pc Experts and search the internet and viewd some information and prices.

[TheOrangeOne]

Nah, just stick with the brand you like. Im only talking from personal experiance. I had a bad time with intel, but have been doing great with AMD.

You have prob had more luck with intel than i have, which may be why you are happier with them. Processors are that powerful and cheap now, the brand you go for is almost irrelevant. Just go with the one YOU like the most.

[Millad]

Thank you :beam:

One week left for me to "order"

[Voetsjoeba]

Hmm ... when your P4 crashes or is major crap, don't come crying to us ! :P

[prstudio]

amd is the best. I trust them; reliable; yes they have a heat factor, but with the right cooling setup you will be fine...also ever since the pentium III had that government spy system installed in the chip; i dont trust intel ;) <- and yes thats a legitimate claim; there was a news write up about it.

I've stuck with AMD, I like them the best

[pinx]

i have intel pentium 4. have had no problems at all. my b/f has amd.

[Millad]

I have Pentium 2 for more than 4 years and there was no crashes ! I still can use Photoshop 7 and flash mx same window and Play games LIKE SPLINTER CELL but goes little slow :(
and Counter-Strike very fast, on Pentium 2. Now I dont know what Pentium 4 cud do if I have it LOL. <:}

[Voetsjoeba]

That's probably a graphics card issue (its too slow) in combination with available RAM.

[Millad]

I m not sure I will buy a Pentium 4

becouse =

P4 2.4 is same prise as AMD XP 2800+ ?????????????? :sigh:

maybe I will buy a AMD.

Voetsjoeba you scared me by saying this (Hmm ... when your P4 crashes or is major crap, don't come crying to us !)

Oh man you are right LOL :hangover: :hangover:

Im very sik and I canot deside a thing here help me out people :(

[Voetsjoeba]

Heehee ... :evil: We told ya, go AMD !


P4 2.4 is same prise as AMD XP 2800+ ??????????????

See ?


Oh man you are right LOL

I know :P !

[Millad]

No you are not !

I did found our that AMD is not stable and dont last longer, its not stable, and needs very much cooling, and it is not much sound.

Pentium Last longer, DO NOT need much cooling, but makes sound, and very stable.

I will maybe choos pentium !

[TheOrangeOne]

AMD is cheaper. Why not use the money you save towards getting a DECENT cooling system. Not only will this benefit the chip, but probably your whole sytem as well! With a good cooling system, you can have the AMD2800 and have a much faster PC as a result.

[Voetsjoeba]

Well, nothing we can do to stop ya. We can only give advice.

[Millad]

you are right !
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