View Full Version : UNREAL DESIGNS (super cheap web design)
narutoboy
April 5th, 2006, 03:44 PM
this is a website design site, its really cool. you can get stuff designed for really really cheap.
http://unrealdesigns.net/
bwh2
April 5th, 2006, 04:18 PM
no, it's not really cool. instead of making me a custom logo for $1 (http://unrealdesigns.net/prices.php), i will pay you $1 to never post anything like this again.
but now, since someone moved it to s&c, i will give it the "for starters" critique:
- drop the table based layout
- use spellcheck
- get a better tagline
- drop the hit counter
- show thumbnail images in your portfolio
- at least throw sample content in your portfolio pieces
- make sure you don't have deadlinks
narutoboy
April 5th, 2006, 04:26 PM
no, it's not really cool. instead of making me a custom logo for $1 (http://unrealdesigns.net/prices.php), i will pay you $1 to never post anything like this again.
but now, since someone moved it to s&c, i will give it the "for starters" critique:
- drop the table based layout
- use spellcheck
- get a better tagline
- drop the hit counter
- show thumbnail images in your portfolio
- at least throw sample content in your portfolio pieces
- make sure you don't have deadlinks
i dont know why it was moved here, its not my website. I was just saying it was cool cause they offer really cheap website design and i thought the layout looked cool. ;P
simplistik
April 5th, 2006, 04:31 PM
I moved it cause it's not a cool site :lol:, or have cool content
DDD
April 5th, 2006, 04:32 PM
Funny that the site is named "Unreal". It is "Unreal" that someone would find this cool. And the prices are "Unreal" http://unrealdesigns.net/prices.php .. It would be "Unreal" if they are still around with these prices in 2-3 years.
Uncool
JoshuaJonah
April 5th, 2006, 04:36 PM
Cheapo design like this makes us ALL worthless. It doesn't matter that our work is way better, cleints are stupid and will look at price first. They will obviously choose the guy who does it for cheap. This leaves all real designers monyless and living in a box shivering, all the while the internet is degrading until all commerce halts and the planet explodes.
Understand?
simplistik
April 5th, 2006, 04:37 PM
:lol: what's even more funny is that in his FAQ he says that it's a one man show, but he continually says "we".
And... well basically... you get what you pay for... bottom dollar designs and coding for bottom dollar.
flashwillkill
April 5th, 2006, 04:38 PM
Uncool and Not Funny (Unfunny :) ) ...
simplistik
April 5th, 2006, 04:39 PM
Cheapo design like this makes us ALL worthless. It doesn't matter that our work is way better, cleints are stupid and will look at price first. They will obviously choose the guy who does it for cheap. This leaves all real designers monyless and living in a box shivering, all the while the internet is degrading until all commerce halts and the planet explodes.
Understand?
Not true doesn't make us ALL worthless. I've had a few clients say that to me, but my sales skills are much better than those bottom feeder wannabes ;). All they can say is... we makes sites for cheap... that's it.
narutoboy
April 5th, 2006, 04:46 PM
Cheapo design like this makes us ALL worthless. It doesn't matter that our work is way better, cleints are stupid and will look at price first. They will obviously choose the guy who does it for cheap. This leaves all real designers monyless and living in a box shivering, all the while the internet is degrading until all commerce halts and the planet explodes.
Understand?
um no please don't doubt his talent just because his prices are cheap. this guy is actually really really good
JoshuaJonah
April 5th, 2006, 04:49 PM
then why does he undersell himself?
simplistik
April 5th, 2006, 04:52 PM
then why does he undersell himself?
Exactly... he says "cause that's the way it should be"... that's like goin to a car dealership and expecting them to give you a lamborgini for $1 or $8 for getting it with all the extra includes.
narutoboy
April 5th, 2006, 04:52 PM
then why does he undersell himself?
I don't know, maybe he's not in it just for the money like most people. God people are kirupa are such jack a**es, you guys jump to a conclusion before you have even seen his work. just because someone doesnt charge as much as you guys doesn't mean he sucks or isnt as good as you
JoshuaJonah
April 5th, 2006, 04:55 PM
I didn't say he sucks, although i have come to that conclusion after looking at his work..:)
I'm just saying. Alot of us do this full time, It's not about money, it's about being able to keep doing this. If i only charged $8 for a website i would have to get a part time job at McDonalds.
narutoboy
April 5th, 2006, 04:57 PM
I didn't say he sucks, although i have come to that conclusion after looking at his work..:)
I'm just saying. Alot of us do this full time, It's not about money, it's about being able to keep doing this. If i only charged $8 for a website i would have to get a part time job at McDonalds.
people have the right to charge what they want, you shouldnt hate them or look down on them for that. show me some of your work mr. professional.
simplistik
April 5th, 2006, 04:57 PM
I don't know, maybe he's not in it just for the money like most people. God people are kirupa are such jack a**es, you guys jump to a conclusion before you have even seen his work. just because someone doesnt charge as much as you guys doesn't mean he sucks or isnt as good as you
You must have not looked in his portfolio. I see a whole bunch of bland templated designs. And prolly downloaded scripts. I've seen A LOT worse... don't get me wrong. But to play yourself up as the best like he does, and inturn try to say that all other designers are ripoff artists, is pretty low.
DDD
April 5th, 2006, 05:03 PM
Actually I wish your buddy all the best. it is people like him that keep me in business. They drop these whack template style designs, then I go behind them and get the clean up money and charge for the re-design. Seriously man, there is such a thing as pricing yourself right out of business. And he is on his way to doing that. And I dont hate this person nor find fault in his style or business. You opened a can of worms when you put this site in KS. I mean do you think this is 2a, WA007, BB or anyother calibre design and skills? I mean this is borderline spam.
JoshuaJonah
April 5th, 2006, 05:06 PM
I mean this is borderline spam.
:lol:
narutoboy
April 5th, 2006, 05:08 PM
I think you all fail to realize, that he's not in this just for money and to make this his actually business. i believe web design is actually his hobby. i would like to see defective, simplistik, and ddd's work, since you are acting like your sooooo good
JoshuaJonah
April 5th, 2006, 05:13 PM
DDD, quick!, jerk him off a logo with his name:lol:
narutoboy
April 5th, 2006, 05:15 PM
DDD, quick, jerk him off a logo with his name:lol:
*sigh* i was guessing that you guys had some sort of portfolio. you guys ridicule his work, yet you refuse to show me yours.
JoshuaJonah
April 5th, 2006, 05:21 PM
ok listen, this is not a d*ck measuring contest. Apparently opinions dont matter. Is this guy your alternate identity? or do you get this upset over everything?
flashwillkill
April 5th, 2006, 05:21 PM
*sigh* i was guessing that you guys had some sort of portfolio. you guys ridicule his work, yet you refuse to show me yours.
... they all have portfolios if you mind to put effort into it and try to find out ;)
JoshuaJonah
April 5th, 2006, 05:24 PM
I dont
flashwillkill
April 5th, 2006, 05:29 PM
I dont
Ok, maybe misinformed :book:
Well, at least you do not have a site selling yourself for $1 :thumb:
Maybe you do it local with a flyer :)...
narutoboy
April 5th, 2006, 05:29 PM
... they all have portfolios if you mind to put effort into it and try to find out ;)
oh and you don't think asking is trying to find out...
ive looked at the sites in their sigs and they are all under construction, so non of the have portfolio.
JoshuaJonah
April 5th, 2006, 05:31 PM
Funny, i think DDD and Simp are probably two of the best designers on Kirupa. Oh well...
Edit: last post in this thread
DDD
April 5th, 2006, 05:33 PM
my splash page is better than his entire site...lol..
www.deepixel.com
. But I am not going to have a pissing contest with anyone. All you tried to do was publicize your buddy and you suceeded. next time just post it in the right section (and dont spam). You went wrong when you posted it in KS, then even went further wrong with how you titled it. Then went over board when you bragged about his skills in a developers forum filled with starving artists. This thread was doomed from the jump.
bwh2
April 5th, 2006, 05:34 PM
i dont know why it was moved here, its not my website. I was just saying it was cool cause they offer really cheap website design and i thought the layout looked cool. ;Pmy bad, definitely thought it was your site based on previous experience w/people posting their own sites in the kool sites section.
*sigh* i was guessing that you guys had some sort of portfolio. you guys ridicule his work, yet you refuse to show me yours.you need to understand that critiquing art and making it are different beasts. i can't sing a lick, but i could easily rattle off a list of 50 musicians that suck. in that same way, some people can't design websites, but they are great at critiquing them.
however, i wouldn't recommend challenging everyone's portfolio (especially simp and ddd, i don't know about defective b/c he/she hasn't been around that long). it's a waste of everyone's time and will get you nowhere.
narutoboy
April 5th, 2006, 05:35 PM
ok listen, this is not a d*ck measuring contest. Apparently opinions dont matter. Is this guy your alternate identity? or do you get this upset over everything?
you ridiculed his site and i'm just asking to see some of your work, whats the prob? no he's not my alternate identity, but im not gonna sit back and let people say bad things. i think it's a cool site, if you dont think so, well either don't respond or just say you dont think so, there is no need for the rudeness and the jokes. hey what can you expect from this place though
EDIT: all im asking is to see some of these peoples work, im not challenging anybody. if they are gonna make fun, they should either prove they can do better or shutup.
DDD
April 5th, 2006, 05:36 PM
DDD, quick!, jerk him off a logo with his name:lol:
I just caught that.....rotflmao, Sim you have to add that to your quotes in your sig...I am out of room.
simplistik
April 5th, 2006, 05:44 PM
naruto... i don't need to prove anything to you but if you look at my profile you'll see my qualifications. And if you have doubts I'll be happy to PM you the number to the receptionist and have her answer all your questions. And if you really want to see our work do a search for threads started by us, or stop off in the battle area and browse around a tad.
I just caught that.....rotflmao, Sim you have to add that to your quotes in your sig...I am out of room.NIIIICE :lol: tooo funny... to the sig it goes.
DDD
April 5th, 2006, 05:45 PM
DDD, quick!, jerk him off a logo with his name:lol:
I am still literally laughing about this post......that is some funny shizzle.....
3d Nirvana
April 5th, 2006, 05:50 PM
lol, I have to agree with everyone... his site is very uncool and his work is pretty bad
thesparky007
April 5th, 2006, 05:52 PM
UNREAL DESIGNS (super cheap website)!
flashwillkill
April 5th, 2006, 06:05 PM
I don't need to prove anything to you but if you ...
Yepi, and apparantly someone picked the "wrong" person to talk too. And yes, there a lot of people here putting there heart into their business and threads like this will make them kill ... KILL THE CHEAP SCAM!
prstudio
April 5th, 2006, 06:14 PM
did anyone read the news posting date?
April 1 ?
Coworker pointed it out.
Other than that...
:/
simplistik
April 5th, 2006, 06:16 PM
did anyone read the news posting date?
April 1 ?
Coworker pointed it out.
Other than that...
:/
Ooooo good point... you could very well be correct. It maybe a hoax to tick us all off :D
thesparky007
April 5th, 2006, 06:16 PM
^ hahah, possibly!
prstudio
April 5th, 2006, 06:19 PM
:P
craziness
DDD
April 5th, 2006, 06:20 PM
This image sums up how I feel about this thread.
http://haacked.com/images/afroninja.gif
flashwillkill
April 5th, 2006, 06:29 PM
... aren't April Fool Jokes lifted by at least, at least the 6th?
That (...what ever he is doing guy) has my 100% pitty ...
tpspoons
April 5th, 2006, 07:36 PM
his work may be crap, but think about it like this. its good website for the price you pay.
If you just want to make a website quick, and are not planning on making money off it or even getting more than 10 hits a month from it and cant afford proffessional website design, then this would be an ideal solution.
I think in those terms this site is pretty cool, when before could you get website design for $3??
tpspoons
April 5th, 2006, 07:39 PM
ok maybe hes exagerating just a little when he sais
Why choose us?
If you are asking this question, then the answer is simple.
We're the best.
B L U E
April 5th, 2006, 07:47 PM
this thread is truely funny
Jeff Wheeler
April 5th, 2006, 07:54 PM
:lol: @ everybody in this thread…
narutoboy
April 5th, 2006, 08:03 PM
naruto... i don't need to prove anything to you but if you look at my profile you'll see my qualifications. And if you have doubts I'll be happy to PM you the number to the receptionist and have her answer all your questions. And if you really want to see our work do a search for threads started by us, or stop off in the battle area and browse around a tad.
NIIIICE :lol: tooo funny... to the sig it goes.
no you don't have to prove anything to me, i would have liked to see something though. i was just showing people this site because he doesnt charge much and the website he produces are pretty good considering what he charges. i notice alot of people on here are really immature and are just jumping on the bandwagon for bashing this thread/the website, when majority of the people in here i doubt looked at his work
Solidus
April 5th, 2006, 08:03 PM
alright Narutoboy your getting pretty heated up for this to just be a site you "stumbled upon" is it your site or your brothers site??
Also a design site's future doesnt look to bright when the people havent mastered the english language. Tell your inner self/mom/brother that desginer
is spelled designer and there is a space between web and designer.
Just a FYI.
B L U E
April 5th, 2006, 08:06 PM
Naruto heres what you're asking for. This is one of simp's recent designs (http://www.kirupa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=213721). Can you see the difference? I can.
leisuresuitlissy
April 5th, 2006, 08:38 PM
Hm I can't see it. Has it been taken down?
This thread has made me curious as hell.
love police
April 5th, 2006, 08:48 PM
no it's still there.
JoshuaJonah
April 5th, 2006, 08:54 PM
This is my favorite part:
1. Look below if the webdesigner is avaliable. If yes, go to step 2. If not, keep doing step 1.
Edit: i know i wasn't gonna post anymore, but this thread kept getting funnier, couldn't help it.
leisuresuitlissy
April 5th, 2006, 09:28 PM
Awwwwwwwwwwww I keep getting "the page cannot be found"
:d:
Pasquale
April 5th, 2006, 09:34 PM
pwned
narutoboy
April 5th, 2006, 09:51 PM
alright Narutoboy your getting pretty heated up for this to just be a site you "stumbled upon" is it your site or your brothers site??
Also a design site's future doesnt look to bright when the people havent mastered the english language. Tell your inner self/mom/brother that desginer
is spelled designer and there is a space between web and designer.
Just a FYI.
its not a site i just stumbled upon, its my "friends" website. he actually designed my website
simplistik
April 5th, 2006, 10:06 PM
i would have liked to see something though. i was justI told you how to find my work it's all over this forum... it's not hard at all to find.
I don't think immaturity on our part is the issue here. We said what we thought and you attacked us, sayin that we made unrationalized assumptions of his work based off of nothing. I'm pretty sure I can speak for ALL of us by saying we checked out his portfolio before saying anything.
thesparky007
April 5th, 2006, 10:08 PM
^ agreed!
its not even worth paying for his hosting and domain, when he prolly doesnt make that much a month
rhamej
April 5th, 2006, 10:31 PM
Ok, Ill bite. His design skills are circa 1999 with a couple bevels, gradients and scan lines. His coding skills look like it involves nothing more than Dreamweaver, and then changed the extension to php :sigh: Now Im not saying it's bad, as I've seen a ton worse out there in internet land, but, well, it suks.
Also, it looks like he is about 13 with the grammar on his site.
Please send us an email if you're not sure if we could do it for you.
:huh:
His talent will deffinatley keep the real designers/coders working when his clients realize that they need a full database driven site. so tell him to keep it up! ;)
narutoboy
April 5th, 2006, 10:45 PM
I told you how to find my work it's all over this forum... it's not hard at all to find.
I don't think immaturity on our part is the issue here. We said what we thought and you attacked us, sayin that we made unrationalized assumptions of his work based off of nothing. I'm pretty sure I can speak for ALL of us by saying we checked out his portfolio before saying anything.
thats a bunch of bull, in what way did i attack you. you guys were the ones who made all the rude and idiotic comments. if you didn't like it, just say so and stop posting. jesus christ
oh and for the people who keep talking about his grammar, i dont believe english is his native language
EDIT: you guys seem to think i was bragging about his skill, what would give you that idea? i just made this post for anybody who needs a good site designed and doesnt have alot of cash to blow. in my first post all i said was he is good and then when you starting doubting him because he charges less then you, i stuck up for him and said he was actually really good.
dont ever tell me that i was attacking you guys, when you started it with your rude and immature comments.
ive gathered up only a few
"Funny that the site is named "Unreal". It is "Unreal" that someone would find this cool."
"They drop these whack template style designs"
"I mean this is borderline spam."
"Well, at least you do not have a site selling yourself for $1 "
love police
April 5th, 2006, 11:00 PM
well those comments are kinda true :)
B L U E
April 5th, 2006, 11:02 PM
well those comments are kinda true :)yep
narutoboy
April 5th, 2006, 11:03 PM
well those comments are kinda true :)
my point is that they were rude and there was no need for them.
i was the one being attacked, not the other way around.
simplistik
April 5th, 2006, 11:05 PM
thats a bunch of bull, in what way did i attack you. you guys were the ones who made all the rude and idiotic comments. if you didn't like it, just say so and stop posting. jesus christ
I don't know, maybe he's not in it just for the money like most people. God people are kirupa are such jack a**es, Shot 1
...show me some of your work mr. professional.Shot 2
you ridiculed his site and i'm just asking to see some of your work, whats the prob?...hey what can you expect from this place though...if they are gonna make fun, they should either prove they can do better or shutup.Shots 3, 4, 5
B L U E
April 5th, 2006, 11:05 PM
I don't see those as attacks against you, since you aren't the designer/owner. Even if you were, they are criticism which you/he should use consructively to improve it.
bwh2
April 5th, 2006, 11:10 PM
thats a bunch of bull, in what way did i attack you. you guys were the ones who made all the rude and idiotic comments. if you didn't like it, just say so and stop posting. jesus christ
i don't know anyone that wouldn't take "i would like to see defective, simplistik, and ddd's work, since you are acting like your sooooo good" or "show me some of your work mr. professional" as a personal attack.
people here give honest critiques, whether or not you take it personally is up to you. getting defensive really isn't going to get you anywhere in life.
thesparky007
April 5th, 2006, 11:12 PM
^true!
time to close the thread!
Jeff Wheeler
April 5th, 2006, 11:13 PM
Yes, please.
B L U E
April 5th, 2006, 11:15 PM
^true!
time to close the thread!agreed
narutoboy
April 5th, 2006, 11:15 PM
so your saying asking to see your work and calling people jack ***** is attacking you.....WTF
i just wanted to see your work because you were acting like you were so much better. from the comments alot of people made, calling you guys jack ***** was clearly justified
EDIT: i was not the one making rude comments. if you guys would have been a little more mature and nicer, everything would have been cool. all you had to say was i dont like it and move on
B L U E
April 5th, 2006, 11:17 PM
so your saying asking to see your work and calling people jack ***** is attacking you.....WTF
i just wanted to see your work because you were acting like you were so much better. from the comments alot of people made, calling you guys jack ***** was clearly justifiedI don't think he understands.
Jeff Wheeler
April 5th, 2006, 11:18 PM
so your saying asking to see your work and calling people jack ***** is attacking you.....WTF
Well… yeah. It is. ;)
skiistari
April 5th, 2006, 11:18 PM
No, don't close the thread! Please let it continue!!! (Even if it has to be moved to Random :)) I'm definitely having an awesome night reading this.
thesparky007
April 5th, 2006, 11:20 PM
@narutoboy: if u don thtink thats attacking, would you mind if i call you a jack***?
simplistik
April 5th, 2006, 11:21 PM
so your saying asking to see your work and calling people jack ***** is attacking you.....WTF
i just wanted to see your work because you were acting like you were so much better. from the comments alot of people made, calling you guys jack ***** was clearly justified
EDIT: i was not the one making rude comments. if you guys would have been a little more mature and nicer, everything would have been cool. all you had to say was i dont like it and move onI told you clearly how to find our work AND someone even posted my latest piece in this thread. No one here is acting like they are better than anyone. Your'e entitled to your opinion as to you think it's good. And we are entitled to ours on how we don't like it. I'm not really sure your age range, but I think you have a tad more maturing to do. The design world isn't sugar coated, so don't expect everyones comments to be agreeable... such is life.
Anyway... thread outta hand, you're clearly not changing your stance and neither is anyone else here... simon says! Closed! If you have any other problems or issues you can take them up with me personally, and PM me.
r0ntu208
April 12th, 2006, 03:50 PM
Hello!
This is r0ntu208, the owner of Unreal Designs.
First, this is an explanation for the site of Unreal Designs (unrealdesigns.net) that was bashed with the hostile rudeness transcending in every post.
Second, I thank you all who stuck up for me.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by narutoboy
so your saying asking to see your work and calling people jack ***** is attacking you.....WTF
i just wanted to see your work because you were acting like you were so much better. from the comments alot of people made, calling you guys jack ***** was clearly justified
---
I don't think he understands.
--------------------------------------------------------------
He understand perfectly well. Do not just come to senseless conclusions on your own. Please hear the full story from me. Narutoboy is innocent. And all the rude bashing was unjustified and very belligerent. Please think twice before posting such comments.
Sometimes people are just to hubristic and do not see the full picture. So please give criticism if you want, but not with comments that contain more offensive words than normal words in the post.
Third, I must apologize to all who found my grammar/spelling offensive. I'm not American, I'm Russian. I have spend over 9 years learning English, and I guess I'm still not good enough.
To begin, to whose who think that I'm underselling, I do this as a hobby. I also do this to improve my skill. I want to have as much practice as I can. So I do not charge a lot. I actually have fun while doing this. So if you asked me to charge more, isn't it the same as you were to get paid for going to school or college.
Next, I'm only 15. It is my personal opinion that I have done a perfectly fine job on all the templates I did. It is true, I have designed the templates, spliced it and put it into HTML tables in Dreamweaver. Does it get the job done? Yes! Does it look good? Yes! So why not?
About my template for Unreal Designs. For half a year, i have doing projects with no website. I have created this site in about (2-4) hours (design and coding) just to put all the information there so the users will have an easier time finding out info about my projects. Also, the site is not intended to represent my abilities. It is true that I have received this domain free and I currently host it on a free site.
It is also true that I do not produce professional sites that can be used by EA corp or other websites that took over 10 graphic designers to produce. Once again, I do this as a hobby. This service is intended for people who want to start not time consuming sites that will be viewed by millions. It is intended for people who want to start personal websites or others that will be a bit bigger.
My portfolio does not show my full abilities. I have about 15 other sites on my hard drive that I didn't upload. Some were much better than those who were uploaded.
I do not have any deadlinks on my site.
This site is not an April Fool's joke. I updated it today.
I used "Unreal Designs" as my site name because I liked that name. It has nothing to do with my abilities. And I used "We make your webdesgins dreams come true" slogan because my imagination could not produce anything better.
Most importantly, I do not rip, steal, copy, reproduce, any part or in whole of any sites and then sell it to my customers. I'm dedicated to my customers and make sure they're content with everything that is going on.
I belive my prices are approprite for everything that I do. Someone said "if I charged $9 for my work, I would have to get a job at McDonalds". I have tried getting a job, but can't. Too young. This way, I can get some pocket money while learning about a subject I'm interested in.
Yes, in fact, it is a "one man show" even though I keep saying "we". It sound better this way instead of saying "I".
To all the mods, I would kindly ask you to lock this immediately before this topic gets blown up by all the rude and hostile comments. I thank you with all my heart.
If you have any questions or concers PM or email me at udinfo@gmail.com. Thank you all for the time and bye!
tpspoons
April 12th, 2006, 04:20 PM
well said...
thesparky007
April 12th, 2006, 10:28 PM
ok.....
REEF·
April 12th, 2006, 10:43 PM
You know the bashing he got in the other thread was completely uncalled for, even the mods going at it?
*SMH* what the hell happened to these forums?
thesparky007
April 12th, 2006, 10:45 PM
^ it all started with some members and then narutoboy got angry, then the mods got involved
REEF·
April 12th, 2006, 10:48 PM
They called it an april fools joke? The guy was honest and even said his work matched his price values.
I'm ashamed in you people.
Vexir
April 12th, 2006, 11:46 PM
Well said indeed :)
r0ntu208
April 13th, 2006, 12:09 AM
Thank you ~REEF~, tpspoons, Vexir and Narutoboy for supporting me.
I took these comments quite seriously. Narutoboy never said that my site was the coolest thing every happended to the web and Unreal Designs produce the best templates that no one can beat. He said that it was a cool site.
To be honest, I'm quite shocked what the moderators had to say.
"I moved it cause it's not a cool site :lol:, or have cool content". :lol: what's even more funny is that in his FAQ he says that it's a one man show, but he continually says "we". "And... well basically... you get what you pay for... bottom dollar designs and coding for bottom dollar."
I believe that my work is quite skillfully done. I respect everyone work on the web and would like you all to respect mine. If you don't like my work, give constructive criticism, not just a sentece filled with profanities.
Once agains several more posts by simplistik tried to prove that I was a very bad designer. And for that reason my prices are so low. Several more people supported him. Once again, I can not repeat this enough. It is a hobby. My service is not intended to produce professional sites.
If any of the mods feel uncomfortable, I would gladly leave you all alone with this to think about. "Treat Others as You Would Want Them to Treat You." I'm pretty sure you know who said this line.
JoshuaJonah
April 13th, 2006, 12:18 AM
:sleep: :| :bored:
I was part of it, sorry dude. If you were near me i'd send ya a case of beer.
Jeff Wheeler
April 13th, 2006, 12:31 AM
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simplistik
April 13th, 2006, 01:34 AM
Well first, I moved the thread he asked why, and I gave the reason. The purpose of the Kool Sites section is to post sites that are designed or coded exceptionally well, OR have exceptional content. I'm not the end word in the decision, but it was clear that it doesn't hold those qualities. And while I don't believe those prerequisites are written down as a necessity, many site b4 yours have been moved for similar reasons, and givin similar reasons as to why it was moved.
And not to start anything up again... but I didn't try to prove anything. I gave my open opinion as to what I thought of the site and the work presented on the site. THE only reason that naurtoboy decided to single me out is because I have mod status. However, no one followed my lead, they made their own judgements based off of what they saw. My mod status has absolutely nothing to do with my opinions of a design or a site. Nor should it put me on some unjust pedistal, in which ppl think that I must always put on a smile. I've givin many critiques on this forum... some very harsh, some not... that's my style, and I feel that's how it should be done, and I'm not gonna change that because of my mod status. Now while I didn't give an appropriate contructive critique of the site or the work, it was only due to the fact that a critique wasn't really asked. It was moved into S&C for the showcases part of the thread name. I wasn't modded under the the agreement that I change the way I am or act, that would be unfair to me and the community.
When you put up a website open for the public, it's open game for a public critique, good and/or bad. When I put my site up, and some other forum doesn't like it, which may very well happen, i'm not going to go into that forum and then chastize the people negative comments. While I may defend myself, my work is put out there for the good and the bad comments, you can't have one and not the other. I won't challenge the quality of their work compared to mine, everyone is entitled to their opinions. When a movie is released movie critics don't ask for permission to say things about the movie.
You openly admit that your work in your portfolio isn't your strongest pieces... well how are we to "judge" you properly when yourself are admiting the work that is presented is subpar by your own standards. But as far as we knew then, that was your best.
I don't apologize for what I said, nor do I feel I should have to (and I know you didn't ask me to). But do not categorize ALL mods under one category based off of the action of one, which would be me in this case. I would've said the same things regaurdless of my status here in the forum.
And I'm moving this thread out of kool sites... because this topic doesn't have a kool site on it... or a site w/ kool content in it and merging w/ the previous thread, any other comments can be directed towards me, but please try to keep your PM civil.
Voetsjoeba
May 5th, 2006, 04:31 PM
I do not understand why the general forum population seems to believe that mods do not have the right to go into a discussion. We're not more or less a person than you are.
Simplistik has told you his opinion on the site you presented as 'Kool Site', and that's that. Sure it may seem rude to you, but honest opinions are the best there are. As far as I know, he has always told people honestly what the thought, ever since he joined this community. And sure, sometimes it's not what you expect, but that's part of learning to deal with criticism. His unfiltered honesty played a role in his election for modship in the first place. What you do with his opinion is your business, but you can't blame people for telling you what they think when you're bringing it up.
He neither has to defend his comments, nor does he have to 'prove himself' to you. And neither do you. Learn from it or leave it, that's what criticism is all about.
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