stoopid XP again

[Daveman]

Has anybody used FDISK/MBR?

Does it rewrite the master boot record or just repair it?

stoopid xp

[Mik3]

Two XP problems in one day! I HATE XP!
stupid XP again

[Daveman]

stoopid XP Pro :angry:

[RenaissanceGirl]

Maybe you should go back to Windows 2000.

[grimdeath]

i suggest you get the low level format provided by your HD manufacturer, performing a low level format can render your HD useless so dont use any low level format tool use only the one recomended by the HD manufacturer and yes a low level format leaves your HD as if it was brand new out of the box it completely erases the MBR of the drive

[Daveman]

Grim,

Thanks for the input.. but none of that worked either. I've had a look at the XP compatability list on the MS website and all of my hardware is supported. Have downloaded all the tools from seagate and tried them all, still no luck.

This is really starting to get annoying. Win 95 installs no probs, i can upgrade to 98 no probs, but i can't get either XP Pro or Win2k Pro to install at all. Both OS's lock at about the same place, during the Welcome to XP/Win2k screen.

Any other ideas, coz this drive is about to go flying out the window into the Pacific Ocean...........

Stoopid XP or Stoopid Seagate - i dunno?

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR - Dave :hangover:

[Daveman]

Maybe stoopid Daveman.. i dunno

[grimdeath]

check your bios then you probably have something enabled there thats locking up your pc once you get in the bios try choosing the bios defaults option and boot your computer if it still occurs try removing any hardware in the pci slots or it might actaully be a ram problem its really hard to tell sine i dont have the pc in front of me and cant see what its doing, do you get a blue screen error while booting up the pc?? oh and check the jumper settings on your HD theres a bunch of possibilties but like i said its real hard to tell without having the pc and troubleshoot it :(

[RenaissanceGirl]

Oh heck - just chuck it and buy a new one!

[grimdeath]

thats the problem with people especially mac users they dont want to learn they just want to do stuff easily thats why i think pc users ( no offense mac users out there) are smarter because you have to learn more than just to use the OS or whatever program you use, maybe not every computer user wants to be a technician but hey the more you learn the better plus in the end you will be more experienced and you will save money IMHO:beam:

[RenaissanceGirl]

Yes... but I want to spend more time learning rather than fixing. There's nothing more annoying than your computer freaking out when you're trying to do Flash or Photoshop - where's the learning there?

[lava]

grimdeath will like this one:

http://www.ubergeek.tv/switchback/

[RenaissanceGirl]

I didn't know "doing stuff easily" was a problem. I should probably tell my boss to stop giving raises to people who find easier ways of doing things.

I love how Macs somehow got dragged into this. If I sneeze, it would turn into a Mac/PC debacle.

[grimdeath]

well you see ren, i learned to repair computers because they would charge me 75 bucks everytime i would take my 133mhz pc to have it fixed and most of the time the errors were because it was my fault, sometimes driver problems or some stupid installation error all in all i decided to learn instead of paying so you see lets say he does fix his computer then a month from now he gets another error more money wasted but if he learns how to fix it himself he will have the knowledge and save money, so you see he will learn more than just photoshop or flash which is even better when you put on your resume you will have more experience and an advantage over any other person that just knows flash and photoshop, take my case for example i know computer hardware, programming, flash, html, javascript, photoshop, illustrator, freehand, some 3d apps, networking in all 3 OS so you see if you were to employ someone who just knows design and you lan gets busted or a pc gets messed up how would you save more money paying this employee 12 bucks the hour of paying some technician several hundreds of dollars every time any computer in your company gets busted, i just think it has its advantages to learn how things work.

Ill give you an example i had to make 1 imac out of 2 if they had to pay a technician which there isnt alot of mac technicians out there and most pc technicians get afraid or just overcharge you because its a mac so you see my company saved money and work time and i did it myself in 15 minutes and the secretary was back at work with all her data intact and a better and faster imac

I suggest anyone out there to learn as much as you can dont limit yourself to just one thing or 1 OS learn all you can if you dont know ask for help thats what were here for in the end you will be glad you learned regardles your OS choice

[grimdeath]

Originally posted by lavaboy
grimdeath will like this one:

http://www.ubergeek.tv/switchback/

rotflmao thats funny matchin socks who wears matching socks rotflmao

[RenaissanceGirl]

You might have all the time in the world to tinker with your computer but some of us have deadlines. We need photoshop working NOW. If someone wants to learn how to build a computer - that's cool. I have nothing against that - crack that case open! Dig into your computer's innards.

Yes, I do have a Mac. Actually it is the first time I am more encouraged to learn about the innerworkings of my computer - because it isn't broken in the first place and I can take it in stride. Again, since it isn't broken, I can tweak it here and there... little by little... and learn at a more friendly pace.

Prior to this I had a Frankenstein of a PC that's partially built by myself and partially built by the resident dorm geek. In my experience, most of the "learning" was picking the right combination of parts rather than learning how to crack into your bios. I have never in my life paid a "certified" tech to fix it because all they do is reformat. In any case, I'm done with that. I just want to USE the computer now.

[grimdeath]

im not sying i have all the time in the world but im sure he doesnt have a deadline, hes young and i bet you he has plenty of time to tinker with it but like i said the more you learn the better and he has an advantage over some of us hes young and the more he learns now the better prepared hell be when he gets a job doig what he likes if it has to do with computers that is

[RenaissanceGirl]

Again, learning is hindered when you have a broken computer and fixing a computer is not the only way to learn.

I love how you start with closed-minded remarks about Mac users and then you paint yourself as champion of learning. Is knowledge of MacOS also encouraged? Why would anyone want to learn MacOS when you make them out to be stupid because they expect a machine that works?

[lava]

I need to learn how to use a Mac. Sure, most people out there use PCs, but most people who do the kind of work I like doing use Macs. Besides, there's no problem in learning how to use both. They're not mutually exclusive. And Mac users aren't stupid.

[Didiusthegreat]

Check this

http://www.macboy.com/cartoons/switch/gates/

[grimdeath]

Originally posted by RenaissanceGirl
Again, learning is hindered when you have a broken computer and fixing a computer is not the only way to learn.

I love how you start with closed-minded remarks about Mac users and then you paint yourself as champion of learning. Is knowledge of MacOS also encouraged? Why would anyone want to learn MacOS when you make them out to be stupid because they expect a machine that works?

i did say that the more you learn the better i use all 3 OS and i dont think a person needs to learn to use a mac if you know how to use a pc then itll be childs play to use a mac now linux is a whole diffrent problem if mac users think pcs are hard to use then linux will be almost impossible for them

[RenaissanceGirl]

Do you have anything to support those arguments? How is MacOS "child's play" ... is it because it doesn't crash regularly and you don't have to fix it (since you seem to value the opportunity to fix broken computers)? Or are you one of those people who base their assumptions on the aqua interface? And how can you compare Linux at all to Windows in terms of "usability." We were talking about broken computers and unstable systems here. From what I heard Linux is very stable - easy to use. People are just afraid of it because they are hard-wired into the Windows way of thinking by people like you.

Finally - Windows is not hard to use (when the actual "using" begins)... it's just a pain in the arse to fix.

[grimdeath]

linux is very stable i agree ive seen a linux server restart once every 6 months no joke, macs are good computers but they limit you to do some things like for example rip a videogame edit it and place your own graphics or audio in the game tell me you as a graphic artist wouldnt like to have your logo or maybe your favorite song on a videogame while you play it, another thing you cannot do on a mac correctly is rip a dvd, use the standard 3d programs since most of them are not supported to be run on macs theres a few but not industry standards, as to graphic programs like photoshop and ilustrator among others are compatible on both mac and pc so you se the pc user has an advantage IMO because he can use all the industry standard programs, linux is the best on security and stability why do you think mac osx is based on it? but its very limited as to industry standard programs and since its under freelicencing dont expect to have any industry apps runing on a linux box because we all know every software developer wants to make money, so you see its not about which is best its about with which you can be better prepared i use macs at work and i own 1 to and i also own a linux box if linux would get some of the industry standard apps macs and windows would be ot of the picture because of its licensing and because its not to much hardware specific unlike windows and macosx

[RenaissanceGirl]

You're going off on a tangent. And not every developer is greedy and out there just to make a quick buck... how would you then explain all the fantastic open source, shareware stuff? I am sorry that you continue to stereotype people in this way.

Again, you are putting down Windows alternatives (cloaked with compliments... but still putting down) as viable replacements... even though I didn't explicitly tell Daveman to switch to Mac or Linux. I merely told him to "chuck it and get a new one." I'm sorry you took that more seriously than it was intended... next time I will include the obligatory "tongue sticking out smiley" just so you can take a hint.

In the end you still have not addressed the original issue - expecting a machine to work is not child's play nor is it stupid. You're just running around in circles and finding an excuse to turn against someone who doesn't attend the Holy Church of Windows.

[grimdeath]

the only thing i can say to users is to compare for themselves and they should choose which OS they like best and like i said before it all depends what youre expecting to do on a computer if you want to achieve more get a pc and im not talking about which os is best im talking about doing more and beign able to control the way your computer works, like editing the registry tweaking its performance gettin to decopile programs and learn how they work and do all the other stuff you could do on a mac then get a pc but dont take my word for it see for yourself and compare thats all i gotta say

Oh and ren i love hearing your opinion and i respect it very much i just hope we are still friends and talk about other things that arent pcs and macs lol

[.soulty]

one thing i like about pc over mac is that i can always upgrade my pc, adding more ram, more hardrive space, video cards..ect.. and get them at varied prices. I love the mac os X operating system, looks so sleek, i think alot of people think its "childish" is that the appearance of it is very graphical, very bright colours very animated, program icons jumping up and down when selected and apps zooming in when minimized.

I'm not putting down neither OS , I used a mac for 3-4 years constantly at Collage while using PC at home, its a fun change though I'm into 3d such as Maya which although its comes out for Mac OS X , i rather use a 3ghz 2 gig ram , Geforce Fx 5800 over using a Mac. :smirk:

[grimdeath]

exactly soulty with a pc youre not obligated to purchase a new system in order to use the newset programs take photoshop for example the windows version is compatible with win98se and up as where the mac version is only mac os9 and mac osx compatible leaving out the faithfull users who have made the mac market what it is today and making them waste 4000 dollars on a new computer now thats not right in my opinion