Hot temper

[!*@&]

http://www.fifa.com/afp/2003-04-07_bra_carlos.jpg


Water vapour is rising above the head of Roberto Carlos as the Brazilian football player was sweating and exercising at a Seoul World Cup stadium in cold weather on 19 November 2002, on the eve of a friendly with South Korea. The temperature dropped to a minimum of 4.8 below zero degrees celcius. Photo (AFP) - KIM JAE-HWAN


lol i have never seen this before in my life.

[Guig0]

you have never played soccer in a cold weather then ;)


it happens all the time.

[!*@&]

i did but it never got water vapour rising from my head

[SureShot]

just look at football (real football, not soccer) during the playoffs in the winter... On the sidelines, all the players look like that!

[Guig0]

Originally posted by !*@&
i did but it never got water vapour rising from my head
then you must play soccer like a girl :P :P


coz you have to run a lot, in order to increase you body temperature to that level. ;)


and sureshot is right, you can see that in any outdoors sports.

[andr.in]

lol! Actually I don't want this to happen to me!

[B-Dawg]

then you must play soccer like a girl

looool:beam: may be he does:P

by the way REALMADRID won 3-1 on MANCHESTER UNITED

it was a fantastic match

[ahmed]

b-dawg!!?? where are you? :-\

[B-Dawg]

loool im in civics we r in the comp. lab

[!*@&]

yeah ur right sure shot but i thought ppl here call it soccer so i typed soccer but i usaully call it football. and guig0 no i dont play like a girl i work my *** off when i practicing or playing. but sometimes i feel that something is rising from my head but i thought it was only heat. and that is the first time i see something like that. like i cant see my top of my head. i dont know about you but if u can then there is something wrong with you :P

[B-Dawg]

ahmed where r u?

[ahmed]

im in 321 :beam:
careers class :sure:

[B-Dawg]

!@#$ did u watch real madrid's match?

[!*@&]

no but i saw the results and it was veary pleasing :beam: . we won 3-1 on manchester united. but what is scary is that we are going to have to play them in manchester. but ronaldo will do what nobody did and he will break through their defence ;) . just like what i do all the time.

[Guig0]

yes, !*@& i can´t see my head (-:

but when i´m playing and i see that happening to the other players, i can imagine this is happening to me as well ;)


and i can se that happening in other parts of my body too.

[!*@&]

well so guig0 i guess that ur favourite team is brazil and if yes did u see what happened to that valuable player. i hope the fifa forgives him. cuz brazil really need him. click here to see what happened to roberto carlos (http://fifa.com/Service/MR_A/53335_E.html)

[Guig0]

yeah... that was a shame...


he made an *** of himself, i hope fifa won´t forgive him, he could use that lesson ;)



[EDIT]yes !*@&, my favourite team is Brasil... being brazillian i couldn´t have any other as my fav :beam:

even if i wasn´t brazillian, Brasil would have been my fav coz Brasil is the best team ever!

followed closely by argentina, but the rest... they´re just the rest :P

[Rockstar]

that match was really horrible.. Manutd was paying too much respect to Real.. but I hope they can beat Real 2-0 at Old Trafford.. see it live at ESPN1 or 2 I forgot.

hmm but I know that they will beat madrid 2-0 at least.. one thing for sure I will have to take a day off lol

[!*@&]

it finally happened to me

i saw it on my arms.

[SureShot]

hahahahaha :)

you finally "didnt play like a girl" as Guig0 so nicley put it... ;)

[!*@&]

Originally posted by Guig0
i hope fifa won´t forgive him, he could use that lesson ;)

followed closely by argentina, but the rest... they´re just the rest :P[/SIZE]

wow man i thought u where going to say that i hope they forgive him. n e ways. yeah the rest is just the rest

[!*@&]

lol

i dont play like a girl

[Ryall]

soccer talk... how I miss that sport! I played for 12 years and was planning on going to college for it, eventually I would have liked to get into an international league.... then - knee surgery killed it, stupid knee. I tried after going under the knife, but my right leg couldn't keep up with my left... I felt like I was learning the sport all over agian... I hate my knee. I hate my knee, and did I mention that I hate my knee? Not that I'm bitter or anything ;)

Peace

[Guig0]

too late, i already made up my mind

**scraches chim and imagine raed jumping and flaping his arms like a butterfly, while chasing a soccer ball**

[ahmed]

**scraches chim and imagine raed jumping and flaping his arms like a butterfly, while chasing a soccer ball, too**

LOL! that makes a very funny mental image Guig0 :beam:

[!*@&]

lol

WOW GUIG0 you have a wild imagination.

i am good enough to take a scolarship and move on to be a superstar. :P man this is a tough crowd.

you take a piece of the truth and make fun of me. well that was funny. but it is still not true.

i am a very very good player. maybe just maybe better than you. i haven't seen you tho

[mlk]

Sureshot:

football (real football, not soccer)

Hehe if it was real football why would they be playing with their arms ????

[!*@&]

Originally posted by 350z
hmm but I know that they will beat madrid 2-0 at least.. one thing for sure I will have to take a day off lol

but i know that real madrid will win, not manchester. manutd will loose to the whites and thier magic :P

[SureShot]

mlk - just a joke from us westerners ;)

[Guig0]

Originally posted by !*@&
...i am a very very good player. maybe just maybe better than you. i haven't seen you tho

well, if you´re not american you can be better than me :P :P

for brazillian standards i suck monkeys butt ;) :P

[reverendflash]

Guigo:

are you saying you are better than <i>all</i> Americans?

:beam:

Revhttp://www.aulman.com/rev.gif

[Guig0]

pretty much yes... in soccer, i mean ;)









LOL rev, no i was just j/k...:P

but you know that is a fact that americans suck big time when it comes down to soccer.

[reverendflash]

no, I don't know that. Quite a few of my friends growing up played soccer...

I think you exagerate... just a bit... (when was the last time you were in the US?)

sorry about the rant, but I'm real tired of people telling me how America is...

Revhttp://www.aulman.com/rev.gif

[Guig0]

no problem rev, but let me remind you that i´m just kiding you.


let me re-phrase that: according to Brazillian Standards most of the countries suck big time in soccer, just like os US standards most of the countries suck big time in basketball... got it?




Just to illustrate: a couple of years ago, an US National Team player (his name escapes me at this moment) came here to play for Vasco Da Gama, a club from rio de janeiro, at that time Vasco was really bad, losing all matches. This guy passed all year without even making to the bench. The club president, Eurico Miranda (a despized creature) stated at that time, that he was a huge loss of money.

[reverendflash]

I think we got to the final 8 of the Memorial Cup last time, didn't we?

**I know you are kidding**

If we only had one sport to harness all of our athletes' ability, don't you think we'd dominate that sport like we do all others except soccer?

Revhttp://www.aulman.com/rev.gif

[Guig0]

it isn´t memorial Cup... it is FIFA´s WORLD CUP ;)

yeah! you´ve made to the final 8 last time, losing to germany for GER 1x 0 USA , and i cheered for you big time!

i don´t know if you remember the 94 world cup, where Brazil was the champion, one of the hardest matches in the entire cup was Brazil 1x0 USA. Man... just remembering gives me the jitters :hair:...

USA has a good team, but no individual stars. yet!



Check these links:

USA (http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/en/020731/2/1cak.html)
BRASIL (http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/en/020731/2/1cad.html)

[reverendflash]

I was just pulling stuff out of my hat...

I barely am able to follow the Giants (Baseball), so any other sport gets very minimal observation.

:)

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[Guig0]

why USA sucks big time compared to Brazil in soccer:


USA best Achievements:

-- Semi-final 1930 FIFA World Cup Uruguay
-- Champion 1991 CONCACAF Gold Cup
-- Runner-up 1993 CONCACAF Gold Cup
-- 3rd 1999 FIFA Confederations' Cup Mexico

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Brazil best Achievements:

-- FIFA World Cup™ winners 1958, 1962, 1970, 1994, runners-up 1950, 1998
-- Copa America winners 1919, 1922, 1949, 1989, 1997, 1999
-- Runners-up in the Olympic Football tournament in 1976 and 1988
-- Winners of the FIFA U-20 World Cup in 1983, 1985 and 1993
-- Winners of the FIFA U-17 World Cup in 1997 and 1999




got it? ;)

[reverendflash]

Like I said...

If the only pro sport in the country was "football" , do you really think you could go against our athletes? I mean we split our athletes between NFL, MBL, NBA, occasionally NHL, plus all of the amature athletes ... ?

Revhttp://www.aulman.com/rev.gif

[SureShot]

you mean MLB and that's a **** good point, I never thought of that.

[Guig0]

sarcasm
<hr>
off course not rev... after all americans are the best human type units!

Brazillians, or any ppl for that matters, couldn´t stand a chance.

<hr>





i hope you´re jocking rev, coz if you´re not you´re really sad...

[RenaissanceGirl]

Americans are NOT the best human type units... Americans just have more resources. Not in terms of athletic ability or anything like that... more like they could produce ideal training grounds and conditions if they desire to do so. So I think Rev has a good point.

[Guig0]

not a good point renn... and i´ll tell you why:

Brazilllian teams usually don´t have good trainning facilities, but has the best soccer players of the WORLD.

We´re not the first country to play soccer, infact european countries like England and Frace plays soccer way before us, and you can pick any great national team. France, Engladn, Germany, Italy, Japan, Spain, Portugal, USA... they have better leagues, more money, better training facilities, but Brazil is nº 1


Why :q:


Coz the cultural factor plays a huge role in that matter.

Soccer is the first sport of every brazillian. When a child borns, if it is a girl she gets a doll, if it is a boy he gets a soccer ball.

The Famous brazillian drible (sp?) is something that goes back to the beginnings of the brazzilian soccer, where black slaves, while playing with white ppl, had to develop a way to pass the adversary without touching them, coz if a black slave touches a white man he was beaten by the entire team.
So, they created the soccer drible, the brazillian ginga (swing), something that very few non-south-american players has showed.

if you watch Ronaldo play, you´ll know what i mean ;)


[EDIT]
have you ever heard of Pelé? And Zico?

if you have seen the conditions where these two players where born, educated and trained you would be surprized...

Pelé is the best soccer player of all times

Zico is the greates idol of the greatest brazillian club - flamengo, with 40.000.000+ of fans... yes, 40 million baby!
Zico praticallly created the Japanese soccer, he is like a god there.

[RenaissanceGirl]

Originally posted by Guig0
Coz the cultural factor plays a huge role in that matter.

So then Rev is right - if Americans did just focus on soccer, as Brazillians have, then we could compete at a higher level?

[reverendflash]

What I am saying Guigo, is that if the US did the same thing, We would have just the same type of abilities. Just by Population and standard of living alone... The money this country puts into sports is incredible... Just think if everyone put thier money into one sport...

That is my point.

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[Guig0]

check the editing on my previous post plz.


and...


Rev: Like i said, money has little to do with brazil being number 1 in soccer.

Renn: the american culture isn´t the same as brazillian culture... who knows what would have happened? but to say that US would have been better than brazil....

[reverendflash]

Guigo:

Are you seriously saying, that if America paid $7 million/yr to a player, that USA couldn't put up a winning team? Think how much Barry Bonds makes this year. Then Michael Jordan, Shaq, Pudge Rodriguez, just to name a few. The payroll of the Yankees alone is something like $60 million/yr, just in payroll...

You don't think that even the most famous guy in all of soccer (Pele) wouldn't have switched teams when $10-15 million dollar contracts flappin' in his face?

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[Guig0]

Rev:

you can´t buy a brazillian, or any foreigner, to play on your national team.


And i know that money isn´t problem for USA, but just so you know Ronaldo last transaction whent over 50 million , his monthly paycheck is about 6 million.


In order to USA become a good soccer team, it will have to develop your entire sport culture, what has begun already, but it will take years... that isn´t something that happens over night.

If you guys keep the soccer industrie running, in the next 20 years USA may become a Soccer force.

[reverendflash]

We are arguing the same point.

I was saying, that if we put all of our resources into soccer, then Brazil, or Europe for that matter would come out of the woodwork to come play in America. It already happens in every other sport (and they could make as much playing soccer in Brazil?).

Renaldo's pkg. it was for 1 yr? how much in endorsements? how much was the rest of the team paid on average (in $US please)

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[fester8542]

The problem is we just dont like soccer here in the states.

I like soccer, but I have never followed it professionally. I used to play it to keep my stamina up for other sports in the off season.

Baseball on the other hand can pay the players many millions of dollars because we love it. It needs a salary cap like (real) football though.

[Guig0]

rev: all the values i mentioned is in american dollars

his transaction was for five years pass, costing to Inter (italian club) more than 50 million dollars, plus his monthly paycheck of more than 6 million dollars.

Brazillian teams can´t keep up with those prices, that´s why all our excellent players are in other countries.

i´ll repeat myself, america can buy all brazillian players to play in the america league, thus, creating a helluva league, but america can´t use brazillian players in his national team. Only americans can play in the USA national team. that´s why USA won´t be a big soccer team in the near future.

[EDIT] mind you that at the time of the transaction, Ronaldo was recovering from a knee surgery ;)


and i know, i know... money isn´t a problem for USA... i know that...

[lava]

Originally posted by Guig0
Rev:

you can´t buy a brazillian, or any foreigner, to play on your national team.

ok... that's not true... and I can give you MANY examples... did you know that the Japanese National Soccer Team has a brazilian dude?

Anyways... The U.S. is already becoming a force in soccer... I'm mexican, and this hurts like hell, cause we hate US soccer players. But anyways, it's true. Look how far they got into the World Cup last year... And the US has been trying to build a soccer culture for about 10 years... there are lots of soccer programs for kids under 13... it's amazing. Plus, the US is already #1 in Women's Soccer.

Also, you forget how competitive the US is... in the olympics, the US ALWAYS has the most medals... the US spends more money on sports than the next top 10 spenders combined...

BUT, the most important thing is... in the US, sports are not political... which is the secret of the current success of the US soccer team.

anyways.. I'm sleepy..

[Guig0]

Lavaboy:

i know all what you said...


that brazillian dude playing in Japan is taking advantage of a flaw in the fifa´s law. since he never played for the brazillian team, and has become a japanese citizen he can play for japan. but he´s not very good... if he was, he´d be playing for brazil ;)

I have already mentioned that US is forming a good soccer base:

In order to USA become a good soccer team, it will have to develop your entire sport culture, what has begun already, but it will take years... that isn´t something that happens over night.

If you guys keep the soccer industrie running, in the next 20 years USA may become a Soccer force.

and i have already stated that if USA puts a lot of effort in to soccer, USA will become a great soccer force. but i also said that it won´t happen in the near future.
and to say that it will become better than brazil... that´s just plain arrogance to me.

[Guig0]

if Brazil plays against USA today, brazillian loss will be a normal result...



...but if Brazil plays 10 matches against USA, two losses would be shame for Brazil.

[lava]

you know what... I dont think you need to develop a sport culture to have a good soccer team... here's why. Argentina (yes, I know you hate argentina...) eliminated the US in the last world basketball championships... That's like Mexico beating Brazil (oh, wait, we've done that). That's like Canada beating Brazil... and argentina doesn't have a basketball culture...

[Guig0]

to beat one time it´s a normal result...

[Guig0]

ok... i´m done.


over and out.





Cheers :bounce:

[reverendflash]

funny Guigo...

we were both arguing the same thing...

yes, nationally, Brazil is the best at Soccer. Today...

:beam:

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[ahmed]

Originally posted by reverendflash
we were both arguing the same thing... no no no! you are FIGHTING! and !*@& should be BANNED cause he started this thread with the intention of starting a fight! :P

[lava]

hmm... I wonder what happens when you get banned...

[!*@&]

i am agree with every word the guig0 said.


but i just wanna say that what is good about the USA is that they invent good games such as NBA, NHL etc and they are number 1 in it. BUT after all these games aren't international like football (soccer) and they dont try to make it international. all the games thatey play starts with an 'n' such as NBA, NHL and you know what 'n' stands for. but football is international. so brazil is the best in the world's best sport. so brazil rocks

[!*@&]

i will tell you why would brazil stay the best in soccer. just like Guiog0 said brazilians would take a football for a present that means that soccer talent is born with them and they get better and better in it. but other countries try to develop a soccer talent. this way the soccer players maybe reach a very high level but there is a limit to his talent. this way will take a long time and 1/50 does that but when soccer talent is born with you this talent has no limit and it wont take alot of time. let us see how many good young players does not have a professional, international experience come out the last like 3 years from brazil and all european clubs fight over them.
1. ronaldhino (PSG)
2. denilson (spanish club)
3. elber (beyren M.)
4. lucio (Manchester)
5. edmilson (dont know)

those young 5 players came out only in the last like year and they have shown us what true soccer is. but those aren't the best players but those are the youngest

but other teams have 1 or 2 players who are really good who join the international team every year. but brazil gets like 5-6. now that is a huge difference. plus america cant be the best in everything. :P

[B-Dawg]

RAED DON't Freakin' post long replies like that cuz nobody reads them cus they are alll fulll of crap:P

[Guig0]

hehe, don´t ban raed... plz!

he´s the only one that knows something about soccer in kirupaville ;)



rev: maybe we are arguing the same thing... but i got the impression of arrogance, and superiority... if i got you wrong i´m sorry.

i liked this debate, soccer is the one thing that i know better than most kirupians :beam:
i said over coz i was leaving work to hit a bar :hangover: , not coz i was upset or anything...

[!*@&]

B-bawg your just jelous becuase brazil is the number 1 team in the world and argantina is like 4th and you've got nothing to to defend your team so u just said that all that is crap. in fact it is jewels :P. and brazil will stay the best and (just like guig0 said) the rest is just the rest.


oh another reason why we will stay the best is becuase we have the samaba ;)

[reverendflash]

Originally posted by Guig0
[B]rev: maybe we are arguing the same thing... but i got the impression of arrogance, and superiority... if i got you wrong i´m sorry.

There was some trash-talk involved, but basically we were saying the same thing. Non-national teams vs National teams, kind of apples vs. oranges kinda thang...

Because of the culture, Brazil will have the advantage for a very long time (also partially because of Pele'). I remember in High School, when we had a Brazillian living with us, all he could talk about was Pele'...

::rant::

I have to state this, for the record... Because America is good in sports has no reflection on me whatsoever. I had nothing to do with it. Same if a great scientist came from my hometown... It doesn't make me any different as a person...

::end of rant::

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[!*@&]

can we have a sports section on kirupa?

[Guig0]

Originally posted by !*@&
...oh another reason why we will stay the best is becuase we have the samaba ;)
thanks for your support raed, but i don´t know about you but i don´t have anything called 'samaba'... i (we) have samba!

and yes, it has something to do with soccer too ;)