Level Of Professionalism

[DariusMonsef]

I mostly play around on the Kirupa Forums. I've been here for quite a while now, and I'd like to think that there is a pretty decent quality of work coming out of the members here. There are obviously some quality professional designers, but there are also those who are trying to make their way into the industry.

My biggest tip is: be professional.

I've worked with two designers from Kirupa Forums and both have been very flakey and ended up not up-holding their end of the agreements. No email to say... "hey I'm really swamped, can we extend a deadline"... or "hey I'm sorry my schedule won't allow me to finish this as we agreed. Can we work something else out." Both just stopped answerings contacts... It is quite annoying and I really don't have time to deal with trying to track people down. I AM a professional and I make my living doing design and creative work. If you are trying to make a name for yourself don't burn your bridges with those who are actually able to help you.

I won't name names, because they know who they are. What I hope is that the quality of work coming out of this forum can step up a level and along with it the level of professionalism.

With that being said, I also did a project with CanadianGuy and he is a quality professional who did awesome work for me.

[Yeldarb]

I agree Ethan, professionalism is key. And the same goes for the employers. I've had a few back out completely after all the work is done (luckily they were small jobs), and one just stop talking to me. But I have had many others who have been picture perfect all the way through.

[onemotion]

Yes professionalism is good. I hate working with people who have not perception of professionalism.

[DDD]

My main thing is bickering in threads. That has to stop as well.

[Danno]

my main beef is with vegeterians....

i mean, what's the skinny with anorexia?

[Liammc]

I mostly play around on the Kirupa Forums. I've been here for quite a while now, and I'd like to think that there is a pretty decent quality of work coming out of the members here. There are obviously some quality professional designer, but there are also those who are trying to make their way into the industry.

My biggest tip is: be professional.


I totally agree here. I'm sure most designers can appreciate getting a response from a potential employer, and it certainly works both ways. Sending an Email informing people what you're doing only takes a couple of minutes, and it could be the difference between you getting another job from the person/company!

[Voetsjoeba]

True dat. If you take on a job, you at least need to have the maturity and pride to not walk away on the person you're doing the job for.

[amitgeorge]

quite sorry to know that you faced unproffessionalism on kirupa...

but dont worry.... you will have a different view when you work with me....

lets hope soon

[Jeff Wheeler]

Exactly right. You said everything exactly perfectly. And were professional while doing so.

[Vexir]

Well said. :)

Dewfiend. Read this. And burn.

[Berg]

number of posts or how a person talks often do not reflect on level of profesionalism. Its better to spend some time and look at persons work and/or portfolio than later be stuck with unfinished work and not so happy client. Allways request samples of work, something that required complying with time / code / design restrictions.

[G]

until about 3 months ago I was doing web design regularly for money but I stopped because of the employers I worked with, some were perfect others were not and I just couldn't be bothered always chasing them up.

I would never loose contact with an employer/employee its common courtesy at the end of the day so I just thought screw it I'mdone :)

[Keaney]

number of posts or how a person talks often do not reflect on level of profesionalism. Its better to spend some time and look at persons work and/or portfolio than later be stuck with unfinished work and not so happy client. Allways request samples of work, something that required complying with time / code / design restrictions.

I agree, I have been on these forums for a year and a bit and I know that many people have like thousands of post and I'm still in my hundreds but I'm still produce professional designs etc. But I totally agree that it doesn't matter on the ammount of post that you make.
:)

[Liammc]

until about 3 months ago I was doing web design regularly for money but I stopped because of the employers I worked with, some were perfect others were not and I just couldn't be bothered always chasing them up.

I would never loose contact with an employer/employee its common courtesy at the end of the day so I just thought screw it I'mdone :)

How have you came around this problem, as in what alternate methods are you using?

It is a shame when a few slackers put a bad name on others, who are willing to work hard for whatever reason.

[DariusMonsef]

i know it isn't fair to those on here that are quality, professional designers, but i don't think i'll employ people from here again. i just don't have the time to chase people around or spend a bunch of time trying to figure out if they are professional or not.

i would just hope that if you take the time to apply for a professional job you would consider yourself a professional. sadly that hasn't gone down that way here.

i'll just do the work myself.

[Krilnon]

I'm sorry to hear that a few bad 'apples' ruined the whole orchard for you :(

[Dauntless]

I'm sorry to hear that a few bad 'apples' ruined the whole orchard for you :(You can't blaim him though... I totally agree what has been said here. Atleast have the GUTS to inform your client/"boss" that things aren't going as planned... Just out of respect!

[ElectricGrandpa]

Yeah I've found that the same problem occurs in "real life".

[Berg]

maybe not respect but common courtesy and good manners.

Employer sometimes wants to make a bit more money and hires someone whoose good but not used to agency life (timetables, briefs, project manager directions) and is not familiar with time=money relationship. The blame is (in my opinion) in the middle. Employer could hire someone good, with lots of experience and and a bit pricy if he wants a project to look and feel good. Chosen designer (experienced or not) has to comply with all the rules and at least try to do a god job, if not he will be renown as a effin wanker and finding a new job will be harder than usual ;]

[Vexir]

Sorry to hear that Darius. :(

Ah well. There are plenty of other suckers around here...

jk ;)

[G]

How have you came around this problem, as in what alternate methods are you using?

It is a shame when a few slackers put a bad name on others, who are willing to work hard for whatever reason.

I did about 5 sites this year from he months Jan - April and 2 were very big ones both for reputable companies andI have no shame in naming them they were called Allkare and the other was MotoBB, basically they kept contact then when payment was required with Allkare they went ead I ring and they say they will tell so and so to ring but he never does and with motobb he rings me saying that he and his partner have parted ways thus the business is no more and I'm like "and....??!!".

To cut it short I'm at uni and to be honest I have little money for myself and I just couldn't be bothered spending it to get money which probably wouldn't payfor the legal fees :( so I just thought I don't need this **** with my exams and stuff on so I dropped it :(

On a brighter note I have a job interview for a part time web developer/media boy for an accountancy frim this monday so every cloud and all that :)


Wish me luck :)

[Dauntless]

Good luck! :thumb:

(And you should put in your contract that your client is responsible for any costs involved in retrieving your money)

[kortexvfd]

Now I have not looked to see if this exists already, but could there not be a forum here for rating both freelancers and employers? This is not a perfect solutions, but if you saw someone, be that employer or freelancer, was getting alot of bad reviews, you could at least steer clear.

[Joppe]

Isnt it fun, now that this thread is back to life again. That Darius said he wont employ anyone from kF again and now he is :P

[SlowRoasted]

Yeah that would be awesome to have a rating system/feedback for both employers and freelancers.

[salvador marley]

Pretty boy - I agree with what you are saying. Although I am sure many here have high levels of professionalism, it is not only at kirupa that this might happen. Small story- I was contacted this week by someone asking me to do a site and the budget was huge for me £4000. Unfortunately I could not take on the project because it involved database interaction with the website. I have only just started learning this stuff so I made it clear that I could not help out the client but what I did was look around for reputable companies and put her in touch with those. The reason she came to me was that a local web company near to her had let her down completely - saying they could not complete the project. So it's not just here where deadlines, projects are not met, it can happen with companies that advertise in yellow pages. Word of mouth is a good indication of whether or not a person or company will complete a project.

[imike]

Of course it would be great to have something like a rating system for both the employers and freelancers. Feedbacks should be allow also...
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[Oli-G]

Agreed with Salvador. Unnecessary to not employ people from here, it's a cross section like any other; be prudent in those you pick, and do some 'presearch' on names here and their prior dealings.

Strangely enough, this kind of thing happens in the real world too.

[gvozden]

I must say I am very satisfied with employers I found here
only one let me down, but basiclly I got into good friendship with almost everyone

[JoshuaJonah]

only one let me down
oops:D

[Vexir]

Dude this is an old thread.. how did it just live again?

[Oli-G]

*cough* a certain person *cough*

I don't think it matters how old it is, the information is valid all the same :)

[hetlicht]

This may be an old thread but the topic of non-professionalism is still a current problem and not just on kirupa.

I'm quite surprised and again have to echo the belief and post that such a reputable forum like Kirupa, should have a rating system for freelancers and employers.

This I believe would have amazing results as the designers that are flakes would think twice before signing up for a job full well knowing that there real name, location and area of expertise would go under a label called hmmm..lets see...Flakes? and the other lot that were professional would go under a title called "proven professionals" PP for short. Why list someones real name? because someone can alter their IP address or change their username or have multiple accounts but at the end of the day you can't and don't easily change your real name...hence the GOTCHA factor comes into play. - This concept needs some ironing out but I'm just throwing an idea out there.

Kirupa please consider this as I think it would greatly benefit the freelancers and companies looking for other freelancers or sub-contractors to work on projects. Thats my extended 2 cents.

[DariusMonsef]

I didn't realize this got stickied... but i retract my comment above that I won't employ KF people again... as I have since that post and have been happy with the work. Josh did a great job for me working on my vanilla set-up and CanadianGuy continues to be a magic worker.

P.S. Recent feedback and critiques seem to be stepping up a level and that is a good sign for the level of understanding the people here have these days.

...keep doing it fellow Kirupian brothers and sisters.

[alapimba]

I have a webdesign company since 2004, i'm webdesigner and allways did my work alone but was we are growing i decided to hire someone from here has this is a forum that helped me so much. Gave the job and i'm as prettyboy said in his first post, the guy that i hired and that i allready payed 50% of the deal don't answer since monday.
That's a shame this professionalism weak.

People that work as designer should be aware of how important is to talk everyday with a client.

Now i'm stuck with the doubt if i'll got a reply quickly or if i'll loose my client(already received threats from him if the job isn't done).

[kc_quicky]

They is the problem with freelance. The best way is to get your contacts and peopl you are prepared to work with first before you start. This is hard is you are new but you can always say to people what sites have you done and then talk to the people with whom those sites are for to see if they had any issues with the other guy.

A reputable designer and coder will not mind this as reputation and professionalism are what gets you work.