Spiderman, spiderman.. does whatever a spider can...

[upuaut8]

.. I just saw it today...

Perhaps it's the fact that Sam Raimi directed this..
perhaps it's the fact that I've been reading spiderman for 20 odd years now...
perhaps it's the fact that he's always been one of my favorite comic characters..

I think this is the best movie I've ever seen.

I'm very critical mind you.. I always judge everything from 1 to 9 just because you never know when something will come around that's better..and I hate going to 11 on a 1 to 10 scale. This movie has finaly achieved my number 10 slot.

If you don't go see it in the theatres, you're a foolish foolsih person.

:)

[Phil Jayhan]

Dave,
We have yet one more thang in common....You got my Spidey senses tingling.

pj
:p
who is taking your advice to see the movie at the theatre

Whats Spidermans phavorite game to play? 8 ball!

[ilyaslamasse]

Can I remind you that S-Man comes out in France in 1 month ? :(

pom 0]

[eyezberg]

avec kazaa tu trouves tous les films en divx des qu'ils sortent..tu veux quoi? ;)

[Phil Jayhan]

Hmmmmmmmmmm,

Methinks you guys are talking in phrench trying to hide stuff round here....
Have either of you ever been or are you currently belongng to any Communist party afilliates or associatted with Le Penn or his organization?? Quit with the mumbo jumbo second world languages around here. This is an English board...(Said like Homer Simpson) Doh! :lol:

azveeder dan
pj
:p
sayanara!

[ilyaslamasse]

Je pense pas que tu puisses trouver Spiderman maintenant quand même.

pom 0]

[liveacoustic]

Oui, on peuvait le trouver même en avant que c'était arrivé au theatre.

[liveacoustic]

Anyway, I saw Spiderman and while it was a good movie I wouldn't give it 10 on 10.

I mean, the casting was pretty well perfect (except maybe Kristen Dunst as Mary Jane. She was good, but she wasn't the PERFECT Mary Jane... Not like the way Toby McGuire was the perfect Peter Parker...), and the web slinging was mind blowing, but I'd still only give it about 7.5.

First of all, the dialogue was average at best. It wasn't bad like Scorpion King or anything like that, but it was only "comic book movie" good. It was only what I expected. Again, still good, but to get a 10 out of 10 with me you need something along the lines of American Beauty or Fight Club. Spider Man was mostly just corny crap like: "You know who I am! Your friendly neighbourhood Spider Man!" (God, Mary Jane fell in love with THAT loser?).

Well, actually, that's not true. It was GOOD dialogue, it just wasn't exceptional dialogue.

But the real problem is essentially how I viewed it. Instead of watching from the perspective of a modern man, I viewed it the way my kids and their kids will view this movie, and it basically became Godzilla.

The first most obvious reason in The Green Goblin's costume. He looked about as silly as Sauron did in Lord Of The Rings when he was dancing around in front of the volcano making the one ring. People are going to watch movies from this era and classify us as lovers of really dumb looking villans.

The problem I'm sure less people noticed, though, (in fact I've heard others say the exact opposite) is that they're so "in your face" about the special effects that really aren't that good - from a futuristic point of view, that is. They're about as good as we can get today, but 10 to 20 years from now they'll be a joke.

By this I mean that it was obvious whenever they went in to CG. In my opinion, anyway. It struck me that the directory saw Final Fantasy and said, "Hey, we don't even NEED stunt men anymore! We'll just make our actors randomly turn 3d!". Simply put, he was wrong. I realise that it would be opposible to make without the CG, but whatever. Godzilla was impossible to make without action figures.

Of course, I'm just nitpicking the smallest most insignificant problems because Upuat's already praised it to the heavens. In reality I think it was a good movie and would probably see it again - 7.5 out of 10, as I said. Just saying that it's not perfect.

But, again, I probably would have liked it 10X more if I hadn't looked at it from a futurist point of view. I ruined the movie for myself the way you'd ruin a movie by constantly predicting what's going to happen next, except with 10X more ruining power.

[thoriphes]

no, you can't find spider-man on divx...yet. i haven't found one yet, but soon there will be, give about 3 more days, there'll be a movie out there. but honestly, i think you should go see it rather than download it. one month is a long time, but just think how we felt a month ago. :) it'll come, they're prolly still dubbing the movie.

[liveacoustic]

I know someone who claims he downloaded Spiderman before it came out... I dunno, it's possible he was lying, I don't know him that well, but it's allegedly possible.

[liveacoustic]

Upon further investigation, there's a small army of them on Kazaa. It's more than available on DivX.

[I am not Jubba]

download them. How many of them are actually Spider man. I tried to download K-pax (don't ask) and I got Joy Ride instead, so you don't always get what you downloaded.

[time2design]

As a big Spiderman fan, I went in the theater skeptical.

I mean, let's face it, the costume, the web-slinging, the villains...this was never going to be an easy movie to make.

Well, I have to say that I was pleasantly surprised. This is the best comic book film since Batman by far (the first Batman mind you) although X-Men was pretty good.

I loved it but I think if I would have gone in with big expectations, I would just think it was so-so.

It's about time Marvel started making a live-action superhero production that wasn't so "real." Can't wait for The Incredible Hulk and Daredevil!

Marvel rules.

Excelsior!


t2d

[sodium15]

i have a question, how come spider-man was'nt on the justice league or was it justice squad? whatever, spider-man was with marvel comics right so why was'nt he on the justice thingy i mean fo god sakes they had the guy that ran fast(what kind of super power is that ?) was he just to hard to animate or what? and isi'nt that the words from the spider man theme song (spiderman, spiderman... does whatever he can...)

[Phil Jayhan]

Sodium-
Spiderman, Spiderman, does whatever a spider can......

chill-
pj
:p

[upuaut8]

Justice league was DC.. Spiderman was Marvel.

My reasons for a 10 are simple.

Marvel F@#%s up it's stuff. They sell it off to who ever wants to make it and then that production company changes things for the sake of the audience that they are selling it too. This was not so with Spiderman.. If you've read the origional comic.. then you're not going to see anything that you weren't expecting, except the web shooters. Other than that, it's 100% from the comic book.

That will do a lot to carry a movie into the ranks of greatness in my mind. It had some cheezy dialogue because it's a comic book movie.. and comic books have cheezy dialogue. :)

One thing to notice is that they took EVERY cool pose from the comic and put it in the movie..as well as many of the tricky uses for his webing that he kind of discovers along the way of becoming a hero. They even had the CLASIC upside down kiss with the half mask. After the big fight scene his costume is shreaded. Every one of those things is direct from the comic.

So.. I stand by my ten. As a fan, It has become one of the best movies I've ever seen. This will obviously not be so for everyone... but NO ONE will be disapointed when they see it, even if they don't give it as high marks as I do.

Went and saw it again this afternoon. It was even better the second time. I'll be going a third too. This in itself says something. I see MAYBE one movie a year in the theaters... and the last time I saw the same movie more than once was ET... that was a long f@#$ing time ago. Granted.. this year I have many things to see in the theatre.. "Minority Report", "MIB II", and of course "SW episode II" all are kind of must see's for me..(In the fall we will have another LOR to look forward to as well.) But truthfuly, I see about one a year. Spiderman is awesome and I'll keep seeing it again and again till they take it out of the theatre.

[RenaissanceGirl]

I went to see Spiderman yesterday and I really wish I could provide some kind of meaningful input on this thread but I can't because of an unruly little boy who kept shouting from the top of the stairs to the foot of the stairs, shouting, screaming randomly, dancing in my face and his oblivious parents who made no attempt to control him (even when we mad-dogged him and reprimanded him for not keep his kid at home and destroying our movie-going experience). Bastard!

Anyway, I don't know much about comic-book Spiderman, but I love Tobey McGuire and I love Kirsten Dunst so I was dying to see this movie. From what little I did get of it (again, thanks stupid little boy, I really wanted to hurl you from the balcony) I loved it! I liked that Peter Parker, while he's the super hero, he's not super perfect. They didn't cast some runway model type of a guy for the role and we weren't expected to believe that a guy with a chiseled body was supposed to be a dweeb - basically everything Smallville is NOT.

[I am not Jubba]

You should have brought a stick. To quote Upu:

"Beat the babies with a stick"

And after you have delivered that fatal beating, administer another fatal beating unto the father of the child, and then go thru his wallet for Identification, find his family and beat them as well.

PS: Take the money out of the wallet too.

[upuaut8]

Well in defense of smallville.. superboy was not suposed to be the dweeb that peterparker was. He was meant to be super goody two shoes and very shy. It's a different kind of dweeb. They don't do it perfect on that show.. but they are really pretty close.

[RenaissanceGirl]

Don't get me wrong, I actually enjoy watching Smallville. Ok, I stand corrected, maybe young Clark isn't supposed to be the uber geek that Peter was - but he's definitely supposed to be the weirdo that all the popular kids picked on (they did make him the scarecrow in the first episode). Now after looking at that model that plays Clark - not really the counter-culture weirdo don't you think?

[time2design]

I'm with Reni.

I can't possibly conceive why parents are so ignorant to that fact that OTHER PEOPLE HAVE ALSO PAID 7 OR 8 BUCKS TO SEE THE *!$%#^@&! MOVIE TOO!!!

Whew, that felt good.

Seriously though. What is the friggin' deal here?!?! The last two movies I've gone to I had to SHHHHH! two people at. I swear the next time it happens, I'm going to ask their parents to pay for my GD ticket.


t2d

[Phil Jayhan]

Another strong example of the unshushables! :lol:

And I think we covered this one already Renni, and when such occurs we should all go to the management and demand our money back, When this occurs over and over again, they will get the message and respond with new rules for children, like there shall be none. Until they lose revenue over the issue it will not become an issue. And Jubba endorsed beating these poor helpless and defenseless little bastards with sticks. How cruel and socially unkind, don't you agree Renn? I mean it sounds like sociopathic tendencies to me, what about you? Maybe Jubba needs counseling because it certainly is one thing to have your movie destroyed but quite another to permanently disfigure and emotionally damage a poor helpless little bastard child. Doh! :lol:

pj
:D

[RenaissanceGirl]

This always happens to me though! I can understand wanting to bring, for example, a kid of 7 years old more or less, but bringing a toddler makes absolutely no sense! The child can't comprehend what's going on, much less remember anything about the movie. @#%$ unshushables.

[time2design]

Here's the thing. Why can't theaters hire an attendant at minimum wage (probably a total price of two person's tickets) to sit in the @#%$ theater and tell people to be quite?

I absolutely love going to the movies but it has gotten to be quite a stressful situation for me lately.

It really really REALLY blows my mind that some people are SO disrespectful to be completely oblivious to the fact that their noise (or noise of "their" child) does not bother anyone.

No more holding back I say. Stand up, turn around, and ask them as nicely and sweetly and LOUDLY to PLEASE BE CONSIDERATE OF THE REST OF US.

Viva la revolution! ... or something ...


t2d

[upuaut8]

It certainly is anoying. The showing I went to on Sunday I had a husband wife and child combo in front of me. The child was actually ok.. it was the woman who kept talking. The husband was actually quite upset. He was obviously a fan of the comic and just wanted to tell his wife to shut the #@$% up... he was just too polite to do so. I felt for him.. and probably should have said something myself.. but I'm one of those shy dweebs myself and have a hard time with confrontation. Luckily it wasn't nearly as bad as your experience Reni.

[thoriphes]

you know, i really recommend watching the movie in the movie theater. now this may rise some controversy, but if you think about all the work these producers went through to make such a (blockbuster, record-breaking) movie, i think we all should show some respect. $6-8 ain't that much. to me, that's a mcdonald's lunch. don't spend your time looking for the divx, cause believe me, kazaa is NOT the place to look for a decent one, but rather spend the $6-8 spider-man deserves.

btw, i love smallville cause that lana whatshername is SO hot.

[I am not Jubba]

Totally agree w/ Thor (on both counts)

[upuaut8]

Ditto

Though truthfuly.. Lex Luthor is the reason I watch that show. I have NEVER writen a fan letter to an actor before, and probably never will again.. but that actor is amazing (the writers too). If you haven't seriously checked out Luthor and his father (same guy who played the devil in Brimstone), you're missing out on some seriously good acting.

Lana is just a bonus.

The biggest problem that I have with that show is that it's set in the 90's not the 50's. I know why they did it.. they're trying to apeal to the Buffy/Angel crowd.. but for fans like me, it takes quite a bit out of it to set it in the present.

[I am not Jubba]

Yeah the setting is a major problem, and I don't really watch TV, I have only caught the show a few times, but you are right Upu, Lex's character is amazing. The writers of the show are very good. That @#%$ Buffy crowd ruins it for everyone though. But a good thing is that Ally McBeal only has 3 episodes left! Finally there will be a time slot for something good on TV (hopefully). Sorry to any of the Ally McBeal fans out there, but that show really, truthfully sucks major monkey ***.

Now that I think about it, the only time I watch TV is when my roommate watches Friends, and any other shows that may be on around it....Seinfeld, Will and Grace....etc.....

[RenaissanceGirl]

I find Lex Luthor to be super hot! If you think about it, the whole show doesn't really make sense in terms of the original Superman - When did Clark look like a super model? When did Lana turn Asian (although she is hot)? When did they play Creed-like pop music in the fifties. Oh well, it's an enjoyable show - it's good thing I really don't know much about the original Superman though. I also dig that the Lana of the Christopher Reeves Superman is playing Clarks mom.

... anyway, on top of being hot, I like that Lex is good guy with some underlying evil in him. Yum =9

[upuaut8]

There are other tip offs too.

The principal is asian. I find nothing wrong with this except that smallville is suposed to be in Indiana.. and in the 50's in indiana there were no Asians.. none

The newspaper girl uses a digital Sony Mavica camera..

I hadn't really known what time period it was when I first started watching..and these little things started to bug me.. then I kind of just realized that they hadn't set it in the 50's and I said, "well... ok, I can deal with that.. if that's the only problem with the show.. I'll live with it."
I'm glad I stuck it out.. truthfuly, dealing with the time period is a minor concession for me.

Oh.. and Lana is sweet sweet sweet... though I think that she's a Philipino mix. <shudder>.

and yeah.. Lex is not only a great character, but the actor is quite good looking.

[RenaissanceGirl]

Lana is Chinese Canadian. She was suprised that she got the role actually, stating "I don't think Lana has a drop of Asian in her."

[thoriphes]

chinese canadian, ay?
the first episode i watched was the one where clark or whatever is name is develops his x-ray vision (aw ****zun...!) and sees Lana changing in the locker room. almost immediately, i fell in love with the show (and her).

[I am not Jubba]

Thor you are a dirty dirty man....

::::wishing I had seen that episode::::

[thoriphes]

how am i dirty?

[I am not Jubba]

it was a joke. From what you said it implyed that you fell in love with the show and Lana because of Clarks X-ray vision. I just thought it was funny how you worded it.

[upuaut8]

I think that episode was one of the best so far. It really showed a lot of what Clark is made of. He had a conversation with his mom at the end where he said to her, "What would you do if you could see anything." She said to him, "I'd learn to close my eyes."

That is vital to what Clark becomes as an adult... One of the things that people of this age usually fail to realize when reading Superman is where his principals come from. Sure he's an alien from a distant galaxy.. but his principals were always those of the American midwest during the 50's. Having most of my relatives from that neck of the woods I have a really good knowledge of what those people are like. That line from Ma Kent above any other in the show is so like those people. They were good because they believed in being good. In apple pie and grandma's. Those are the morals of the American midwest.

There are other lines too. Pa Kent (Played by Bo Duke from the Dukes of Hazard) has some really great advice that he's given Clark throughout the episodes. Stuff that you just wouldn't hear coming from any other of America's children.

The other great thing about that particular episode was the back end story that was taking place with Lex. He robbed a bank in the first 5 minutes (it wasn't him of course), and a newspaper reporter showed up from Metropolis to accost him. The reporter had gotten ahold of some incriminating stuff from Lex's past and made to blackmail him. When he showed for the money Lex and he had a great conversation which showed exactly how ruthless this friend of Clark's could really be. "When I make things disapear, they stay gone." Lex says to him... made me shudder.

[thoriphes]

HAHA :lol: , i loved the show not cause of clark's x-ray. it just sort of appealed to me. it was also a really good story.

ps. also cause of lana. the villain in that one episode (blond mutater) was also pretty hot.

[splinx]

Way back when in the days of the grand ol' movie palaces, they actually had a solution for morons who insisted on talking during the movies. They called them ushers, and they had the power to tell the talkers to "shut up," or even 86 'em. I remember it happened once when I was a kid and the whole place erupted in applause when these two chattering clods were kicked out of the Palace.

The trouble with Phil's idea about complaining, etc, is that you've wasted your time and gone through all that hassle because the theatre management doesn't enforce the "no talk" rule. Plus, you didn't get to see the movie.

Some people are completely inconsiderate.

:cool:
sp

ps. Haven't seen the movie yet, but soon; waiting for the crowds to die down a bit.

[upuaut8]

Well.. you can usually get to see the movie again if you complain loud enough to the management. Most management would rather have you shut up at any cost than have you complaining loud enough for anyone to hear, possibly getting a bad idea about the theatre.. but that hardly is a consolation.. In most cases I'm there at that time because it's the only time I could get to the theatre. :)

Ushers would be great to bring back. Plus it would prevent at least some of those screw balls from throwing their trash all over the floor. I hate that too.

[splinx]

Because of bean counters, we've lost many refinements to our civilization in ill-advised attempts to shave a few pennies here, a buck there...

The average guy doesn't see an increase in his wages because of these cost-cutting measures. All the money saved goes to upper management, while the rest of us suffer along with our downsized, degraded, dumbed-down culture.

The loss of ushers is one example. Also, when I was a wee one, they actually had soundproof "crying rooms" in some of the theatres where moms could take their bawling babes, watch the movie, and not disturb the rest of the movie audience.

I actually think some people are just insensitive to noise. It doesn't bother them and they think therefore that their noise doesn't bother anyone else. Whether or not that is stupidity I cannot say, but surely it is ignorance, at the very least.

A lot of our problems in society and life today are due to the automobile and our dependence on oil. Before the decline of the inner cities, most cities, even medium sized ones, had several large downtown movie palaces with a staff of ushers, crying rooms, and other refinements, to cite just one example of a more elegant but bygone era.

Of course, after WWII, the decision was made to gut the existing public transportation infrastructure (which was based on electricity) and sell everybody a car, or two. This helped accelerate the rush to the suburbs and the decline and eventual death of city centers, and the big movie houses with them. Of course, TV didn't help.

WWII was all about oil, in case anybody hasn't figured it out yet.

When movie theatres rebounded in the 80's with the multiplexes, what we got were sterile little crackerboxes

Even the prohibition on weed, believe it or not, is directly related to the influence of the petrochemical cartels. They're the people running the world today, and they don't want any competition. Go back and look at the lurid yellow journalism of WR Hearst to demonize the weed. Look a little deeper and you'll find out that he was in cahoots with the Nazis, along with a whole raft of American industrial icons. True story. Sad, but true.

But I kinda like Alanis Morisette, although I don't know much about her. Her video "Hands Clean" is excellent, imo. Great songwriting, great video production. True artistry.

EOR

:cool:
sp

[splinx]

This is a rollicking good movie and among the very best of its genre - an instant classic. Among the superhero movies, only the first two Batman flicks surpass Spiderman, and then not by a wide margin.

Many viewers didn't like the dark, moody ambience of director Tim Burton's renderings of Batman in his two efforts with the title, but I thought they were outstanding and on my short list of all-time faves. Yes, both of them. C'mon, Michelle Pfieffer's Catwoman was spectacular, and Batman Returns was the equal of the original, if not better.

Spiderman suffers, by comparison, in its lack of a memorable theme, although the soundtrack is still very good.

Beyond that, it's hard to find fault. This movie is extremely well paced, the dialogue is just right, and there is a healthy measure of wild action balanced by adequate character development and a bittersweet romantic angle with a surprise twist. Hollywood didn't get its classic ending here, and I give extra credit for this bold move, which of course leaves the door wide open for sequels. And I for one, can't wait.

Norman looks like a character drawn by Stan Lee, and I think the Green Goblin makes an excellent super-villain and evil menace. There are spectacular action sequences framed against breathtaking NYC aerial footage which might make some viewers just a little uneasy less than a year removed from Black Tuesday.

All of this adds up to loads of fun and great entertainment - highly recommended.

I give it a solid 9 on a scale of ten, or 4.5 stars, pending a second viewing.

:cool:
sp

$5 at the local downtown multiplex plus $4 for the big popcorn. The added bonus was a realtively sparse crowd, and no tall guy sat down in front of me. Nobody was talking either. A couple sat down near me and I was worried about them. They laughed everytime the guy in the preview got hit in the face with the tennis ball, but kept quiet during the movie.

[upuaut8]

nice review.. if only we could get the ****able critics to write up a review like that.

I disagree about it being not as good as batman.. but that's just me. I would like them to do Batman today, with Maya for the action sequences. The fluidity of the character movement I suppose is what thrills me. In batman they had to bulk up the character with the costume, hence in all the fight scenes it really looked like Keaton was straining against the suit to move.

I too loved the dark aspect of the first two batman movies, and personaly, I think that's what ruined the next one. NEON???? that's not batman. Batman is a disturbed madman vigilante... he's not a caped crusader, he's the Dark Knight.

Anyway.. nice words from you sir.. I think your review is probably more accurate than mine.. and certainly sounded very reasonable from an average American perspective.