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lava
March 19th, 2003, 01:38 PM
I just felt like saying something on the topic of "freedom fries" and it's this...

... yeah, that's mature...

Congressmen have shown that they can act like little 4th graders... geez. They're acting petty and immature.

Lets talk a little bit about patriotism. Whoever said that it was a good thing?

This is the definition of Patriotism according to webster's:

Patriotism - Love of country; devotion to the welfare of one's country; the virtues and actions of a patriot; the passion which inspires one to serve one's country.

yeah... loving your country, blah blah blah. I'm sick of it. I'm sick of hearing people (especially republicans) blasting war critics for being unpatriotic. "This is a time to come together" they say.

Patriotism is a blind, biased stance in support for your country. It means that one can be patriotic even if the US decides to nuke the crap out of France, for example. And this is BAD. Patriotic propaganda discourages people from informing themselves, and tells them to support a war, "just because they love their country." I wish ONE congressman or senator would encourage people to be informed instead.

Another argument I hear is that we should support the war because "our boys are risking their lives." I'm sorry, but I didn't send them, I don't want them to risk their lives, and I didn't vote for the guy who put them there. People who say this are expecting me to forget all about the fact that there's no conclusive evidence backing this war, and to support the war because our soilders are there. I don't buy that. Sorry.

Sen. Tom Daschle recently critizised Bush's complete failure at diplomacy. Immediately he was blasted by Republicans, and he was called "unpatriotic." Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said, "Our men and women literally are in a countdown before fighting is initiated, and any remarks that their lives in some way have been compromised by the president of the United States is irresponsible." No it's not. It's not irresponsible, it's not unpatriotic, it's not Anti-American. It's something that needs to be pointed out, so that we don't do something BAD because we're blinded by patriotism. Disagreeing with the President is irresponsible? Please...


I want them desperately to say: "look, we don't have concrete evidence, but Saddam is a bad guy, and he needs to go. This is something that needs to happen" I think I'd be ok with that. I wish they would say, "Please, read all about the conflict, read about the reasons WHY France is opposing the war so much, read about what Saddam has done to his people, and then tell us whether you support the war or not." Because I know as well that many peace advocates don't know crapola about what's going on.

I think if we had an informed public, we'd support the war, but we'd be blasting away at Bush, and we would take him and his hawkish cabinet out of power. Polls would show that Saddam has to go, but would also show that Bush's is incredibly BAD for our foreign policy.

Please, make sure you're not blinded by childish patriotism when you ask for your Freedom Fries... Read all about this war (I still don't know everything about it..) And don't act like congressmen... er... 4 year olds.

mjULTRA
March 19th, 2003, 01:51 PM
bravo!

SureShot
March 19th, 2003, 02:40 PM
very good prespective Phil... Very true.

reverendflash
March 19th, 2003, 02:47 PM
Hey Tuknuk...

Have you seen Nanuq 'round the igloo lately? He usually heads South once winter sets in, but we haven't seen him yet...

Next time you go seal hunting ask Nimitka if she has knows anything...

Thanks,

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reverendflash
March 19th, 2003, 02:55 PM
I'm not sure if Nanuq still has Keiko or not... He was getting pretty old, kept blowing his snot all over the igloo, penguin parts strewn everywhere... not that Nanuq's place ever smelled like a spring forrest, but with Keiko around...

Tuknuk?

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Guig0
March 19th, 2003, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by Phil Jayhan
..If America is going to go to war after war until all the regimes that have weapons of mass destruction are gone, my question remains; What about America's Weapons of Mass Destruction?...
phil, US isn´t in this war to save the world from weapons of mass destruction... that´s a lie that even an educated inteligent american like you got fooled by it.

US is alied, i mean ALIED, with other countries that are known to have terrorists connections like: Saudi Arabia, Paquistan and Turkey. and they´re are publicly developing nukes (that if they don´t have it already).

And there are other countries that have weapons of mass destruction, like North Corea, and that are bigger treats to US or the world, and US does nothing about...

Iraqui has done nothing worst than what US did since the mid 90´s (curd persecution or Kwait invasion before). All the weapons that iraqui have is nothing compared to what US have.

US only started this war coz iraqui doesn´t bow to washington´s will. period.

Makaveli
March 19th, 2003, 04:08 PM
Why of course the people don't want war ... But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger." — Hermann Goering, Nazi leader, at the Nuremberg Trials after World War II

reverendflash
March 19th, 2003, 04:09 PM
what happened to Tuknuk now?

maybe he fell off the ice while fishing...

hope a polar bear didn't get him...

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SureShot
March 19th, 2003, 05:02 PM
*hangs coat on ice hook*

Hey guys, sorry I took so long, I was out catching my supper.

Nanuq left days ago but because of all the snow we have here he is probably just getting to the border now - good luck getting through after 8pm tonight!

And for the record - his place reeeeeeeeeeeked! That d@mn whale would blow his snot everywhere and Nanuq finally got fed up and speard that sono***un. We ate like kings for a month ;)

reverendflash
March 19th, 2003, 05:10 PM
ROFLMAO...

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telekinesis
March 19th, 2003, 05:38 PM
l i b e r a l

thoriphes
March 19th, 2003, 05:39 PM
...shut up dan.

telekinesis
March 19th, 2003, 05:41 PM
excuse me?

thoriphes
March 19th, 2003, 05:42 PM
you heard me...

telekinesis
March 19th, 2003, 05:43 PM
**** off

(not you phil)

thoriphes
March 19th, 2003, 05:43 PM
hey **** you too you ****less whore.

telekinesis
March 19th, 2003, 05:44 PM
and how would you know, must have bitten it off the last time you gave me head

thoriphes
March 19th, 2003, 05:45 PM
well you shouldn't have worn that dress and seduced me like that.

telekinesis
March 19th, 2003, 05:45 PM
your mom told me to wear it, she said you like it.

thoriphes
March 19th, 2003, 05:48 PM
she must have confused you with one of my female débutantes.

telekinesis
March 19th, 2003, 05:48 PM
you wish.

telekinesis
March 19th, 2003, 05:49 PM
she also confused my **** with a third leg.

thoriphes
March 19th, 2003, 05:49 PM
(you know i'm just playing bro, right? how the hell are you doing, haven't talkied to you in a while)

thoriphes
March 19th, 2003, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by dan4885
she also confused my **** with a third leg.
yeah, she's gotta stop that charity for freaks thing.

telekinesis
March 19th, 2003, 05:52 PM
Of course i know you are kidding Manny, I know will don't talk much, but I wouldn't be an ******* like that for just telling me to shut! You should also know that I also play around. I guess you could say we played around with eachother (did i just say that)

I am doing good. . . .I guess. How about you college boy?

telekinesis
March 19th, 2003, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by thoriphes
yeah, she's gotta stop that charity for freaks thing.

Now it's on busta!

thoriphes
March 19th, 2003, 05:54 PM
yeah, college is good, now i'm trying to score me a hot one (female, **** you!).

telekinesis
March 19th, 2003, 05:56 PM
If my pants aren't at my ankles, don't open your mouth! ;)

I can't wait for college next year. I already got a girl so that is not why I am excited, I will post some updated pictures soon after I move and get my new car (less than a month)!

thoriphes
March 19th, 2003, 05:59 PM
yeah, i met this girl on st. patty's night named Kara (isn't that the most beautiful name ever?) and now amongst the 20000 students at my college, i'm trying to find her. :(

telekinesis
March 19th, 2003, 06:00 PM
What college, I forgot?

thoriphes
March 19th, 2003, 06:01 PM
virginia tech: the largest college in population in VA.

telekinesis
March 19th, 2003, 06:03 PM
20,000 Holy *beep* that is a lot of students, hence a lot more time for a playa to play the game! ;)

Good luck Manny, women can be the world at times, and at others they can destroy yours. :P

thoriphes
March 19th, 2003, 06:05 PM
there was this student who jumped out of a 7th floor window cause his girlfriend dumped him. i'd hate to be that girlfriend after that.

but i'm not like that, depending on whom i'm seeing. i won't go as far as killing myself most certainly.

telekinesis
March 19th, 2003, 06:10 PM
i just found out that one of my old friends (different school) from sophomore year called my girlfriend (who goes to a different school also) and asked if she wanted to 'get together' and she said she was going out with me (whom he knew) and he says "who says he has to find out about it!" she told me about it last night on the phone, this lil freshman community college bastard is going to get a beat down italian style this weekend for being a shady *** friend, even if we don't talk anymore there is always rules to the game!

telekinesis
March 19th, 2003, 06:11 PM
some people deserve an american history x style curb stomp

thoriphes
March 19th, 2003, 06:13 PM
that's good your girlfriend is loyal. the problem is, you can't always trust the pretty ones...

telekinesis
March 19th, 2003, 06:22 PM
she is a beauty, its the guys i cant trust. . . .

she is loyal, she said sorry to me when she told me a guy hit on her like it was her fault for looking so ****, ummm whats the word _______!

i think it is funny she says sorry though, i faked like i broke up with her one day that she told me sorry that some guy hit on her, i was like "How could you, I thought you cared about me!". she got pissed off when she found out i was jus clownin. i cant resist, women are soo fun to play around with, so gullable at time (so am i).

Hey thoriphes, when does your year end, ya know, for school?

thoriphes
March 19th, 2003, 06:23 PM
well i hope to be out of here during the first week of May.

telekinesis
March 19th, 2003, 06:28 PM
I graduate in the end of May!

thoriphes
March 19th, 2003, 06:29 PM
sweet!!! school sucks!

telekinesis
March 19th, 2003, 06:30 PM
yea, i have at least 4 more years ahead of me of its bull****

i am sure college is much better though