Princess Bride Quotes - Fun things in Life

[Phil Jayhan]

"I understand, you are trying to kidnap what I have rightfully stolen"

pj

Beat ya to it Uppy.

[upuaut8]

just barely.. I had to delete my post. :lol:

This is what I wrote in my first post.. if it's too much rules for you, just ignore them.. it's just a curtasy rule. ;)

Thought it might be better to quote here than all over the place.

If you're a fan of PB, then you shouldn't have any trouble understanding Phil's and my fascination with this movie. If you havent' seen it, then you're a social disgrace and should be shot.... ok well maybe not shot, but definitely beated black and blue with a luke warm trout.

The goal is to post as many quotes from Princess bride as possible, without repeating them. The only rule is, one quote per post (I believe that spam protection is "on" so that should keep phil from posting all the good quotes in a day (not that there are any bad quotes from that movie)).

Exception: There's always an exception to the rule. Exception A) no one's going to enforce the rule.. so it's really not that relivant, and B) if you have an exchange which requires two people talking back and forth in dorder to complete the quote, then put the whole thing in....


"One more step and I cut her throat."

"Then we are at an impass."

"Apparently so, since I'm no match for your strength, and you're no match for my brains."

"You're that smart eh?"

"Ever hear of Plato? Aristotle, Socrates?"

"Yes"

"Morons".

[Phil Jayhan]

I think, personally, that anyone who breaks the non-rule rules should be dragged into the pit of despair and hooked up to the machine;

"Now, tell me exactly what you felt, and please, do be completely honest, as this is for the sake of posterioty....."

"uhh, ahhh, uhh, uh." (Said in whimpering, just been tortured tones)

'Interesting, very interesting'

[upuaut8]

"As you wish."

[Phil Jayhan]

"Farmboy, polish my saddle, I want to see my face shining in it by the morning"

'As you wish'

Now the only thing Farmboy ever said to her was. 'As you wish'..Nothing else.
And then one day, when he was in the house, she asked him for something, and it was that day she realized that what he was really saying when he said 'As you wish' was that he loved her.... (Peter Faulk)

"Farmboy, fetch me that pitcher"

'As you....Wish"

[upuaut8]

"Hold it hold it..... is this a kissing book?" Fred Savage

[Phil Jayhan]

'Boo, booo...'Here she is, the Queen of garbage, the Queen of refuse, Go ahead and bow to her, bow, bow to the the queen of putrecence....Bow down, bow down before her....Booo, boooo' (Said in rather old knarly hag type voiceover)

'Why do you say such things?'

'Because you had true love and he lives, and you marry another. Boo, Boooo, boooo.'

[upuaut8]

"I'm on the brutt squad."

"you ARE the brutt squad."

[Phil Jayhan]

We can survive the Fire Swamp. Actually I think it might make an ideal place for a summer home...Someday.

And what are the 3 dangers of the Fire Swamp? The fire spurts, which we can learn to avoid as they make a popping sound right before they go off, the lightning sand, and we have survuved that, and of course the ROUS's. Personally, I don't even think they exist.

Wesley; "What is a ROUS anyway?"
'Why, Rodents Of Unusual Size, but you should know that.'

[upuaut8]

;)

"Do you think it's a trap?"
"I always think everything is a trap, that is why I'm still alive."

[Phil Jayhan]

' I'm sorry, I'm kind of busy, I have Guilders 500th anniversery to prepare for, my wedding is tonight and my wifes murder to plot'

'I understand, it takes a toll on oneself to be King...'

'...Try ruling the World someday'

pj

[ilyaslamasse]

I just love that movie. But I had to watch it one more time to remember the quotes exactly. Is that against the rule ?

onload {quotes.count=0 ;}

[Buttercup kisses the senile King.]
King.quote = "What was that for?"
Buttercup.quote = "Because you have always been so kind to me, and I won't be seeing you again since I'm killing myself once we reach the honeymoon suite."
King.quote = "Won't that be nice. She kissed me!"

quote.count ++ ;
pom

[ilyaslamasse]

Montoya: You are sure nobody's follow' us?
Vizzini: As I told you, it would be absolutely, totally, and in all other ways inconceivable! No one in Guilder knows what we've done, and no one in Florin could have gotten here so fast. Out of curiosity, why do you ask?
Inigo Montoya: No reason. It's only... I just happened to look behind us and something is there.

[ilyaslamasse]

Montoya: You seem a decent fellow. I hate to kill you.
Westley: You seem a decent fellow. I hate to die.

[Phil Jayhan]

"And in that say I shall say to the 6 fingered man;
'Hello, my name is Anigo Montoya. You killed my Father, prepare to die' "

[ilyaslamasse]

Westley: You mean, you'll put down your rock and I'll put down my sword, and we'll try and kill each other like civilized people?

[ilyaslamasse]

Vizzini: Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me!

[Phil Jayhan]

'I do not envy the headache you wil have when you awaken, but relax and sleep tight and dream of large women'

[Phil Jayhan]

Vizzini: Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me!

Sorry Ilyas, no credit for the last one, it was started outside this thread. HA!

[ilyaslamasse]

Westley: Give us the gate key.
Yellin: I have no gate key.
Inigo Montoya: Fezzik, tear his arms off.
Yellin: Oh, you mean "this" gate key.

[Phil Jayhan]

"Maywage, bwessed maywage. Maywage is what bwings us together today. Wove, Twue wove......"

[upuaut8]

bear in mind this: my quotes are from the book, with vague recolections of the movie.

"Hello there!"
<Grunt> from below.
"I have been watching you.... Slow going."
"Look, I don't mean to be rude, but I'm rather busy just now, so try not to distract me."
"I'm sorry"
Inigo pacing
"I don't suppose you could speed things up?"
"If you want to speed things up you could lower a rope or a tree branch or find something useful to do."
"I could do that. I have this peice of rope here we didn't need when we made our origional climb. I could drop it down to you, but I don't think you would accept my help, as I am only waiting around to kill you."
"That does tend to put a damper on our relationship, I'm afraid you'll just have to wait."
"I could give you my word as a Spaniad."
"No good, I've known too many Spaniards."
"I'm going crazy up here."
"Anytime you want to change places, I'd be too happy to accept."
"I swear on the soul of my father Domingo Montoya you will reach the top alive."
"Throw me the rope."

[Phil Jayhan]

"Then why are you smiling? Because, I know something that you do not know. I am not left handed.."

[upuaut8]

"why are YOU smiling?",
"Because I am not left handed either."

[Phil Jayhan]

'I would much rather smash in a stain glassed window than to kill a work of art such as yourself, but because I cannot have you following me....' (Klunk)

[Phil Jayhan]

'I will never love again'

[upuaut8]

"Are not capable of love is what you mean."
"I have loved more deeply than a killer like you could ever know!"
<hold's up hand>
"The next one I let fly. Where I come from there are penalties when a woman lies."

Note: in the book he actually slaps her. ;)

[iCu MeHoo]

i love that movie =]

[Phil Jayhan]

"Sir, you keep using that word. I do not think it means precisely what you think it means...." Inigo Montoya, top of the Cliff

[ilyaslamasse]

Come on Phil, stay focused !
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[Phil Jayhan]

What part of the movie was that phrom, don't remember anyone named phil.And wheres your quote, your out of order.....

"I will never love again"

[ilyaslamasse]

Inigo Montoya: That Vizzini, he can *fuss*.
Fezzik: Fuss, fuss... I think he like to scream at *us*.
Inigo Montoya: Probably he means no *harm*.
Fezzik: He's really very short on *charm*.
Inigo Montoya: You have a great gift for rhyme.
Fezzik: Yes, yes, some of the time.
Vizzini: Enough of that!
Inigo Montoya: Fezzik, are there rocks ahead?
Fezzik: If there are, we all be dead!
Vizzini: No more rhymes now, I mean it!
Fezzik: Anybody want a peanut?

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[Phil Jayhan]

'Where were you when I found you?'
You were so slobbering drunk you couldn't even buy BRANDY?\

'And you, you hippopotomic landmass, where were you? You were unemployed in GREENLAND'?

[upuaut8]

Kid "A book?"
Grandfather "That's right, when I was your age, television was called books; And this is a special book. It was the book my father used to read to me when I was sick and I used to read it to your father...and today, I'm gonna read it to you."
Kid "Does it got any sports in it?"
Grandfather "Are you kidding? Fencing, fighting, torture, revenge, giants, monsters, chases, escapes, true love, miracles."
Kid "It doesn't sound too bad. I'll try and stay awake."

[upuaut8]

Buttercup "I'm afraid I'll never see you again..."
Westley "Of course you will."
Buttercup "But what if something happens to you?"
Westley "Hear this now, I will always come for you."
Buttercup "But how can you be sure?"
Westley "This is true love. You think this happens every day?"

[upuaut8]

Narrator "Westley didn't reach his destination. His ship was attacked by the Dread Pirate Roberts, who never left captives alive. When Buttercup got the news that Westley was murdered..."
Kid "Murdered by pirates is good!"

[upuaut8]

Vizzini "A word my lady? ...We are but poor lost circus performers. Is there a village nearby?"
Buttercup "There is nothing nearby. Not for miles."
Vizzini "Then there will be no one to hear you scream..."

[upuaut8]

Vizzini "Inconceivable!! Give her to me! Catch up with us
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp quickly!"
Fezzik "What do I do?"
Vizzini "Finish him! Finish him...your way..."
Fezzik "Oh good. My way. Thank you Vizzini. Which way's my way?"
Vizzini "Pick up one of those rocks, get behind a boulder, and in a few minutes the man in black will come running around the bend. The minute his HEAD is in view hit it with the rock!"
Fezzik "My way is not very sportsman-like."

[upuaut8]

Man in black "You guessed wrong."
Vizzini "You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned! Ha ha, you fool!! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders. The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia; and only slightly less well known is this: Never go in against a Sicilian, when death is on the line!"

[upuaut8]

Humperdink "Surrender!"
Westley "You mean you wish to surrender to me? Very well then, I accept."

[upuaut8]

Inigo "That's enough! That's enough! Where is this Rugen now, so I might kill him?"
Fezzik "He's with the prince in the castle. But the castle gate is guarded by thirty men."
Inigo "How many could you handle?"
Fezzik "I don't think more than ten."
Inigo "Leaving twenty for me. At my best I could never defeat that many. I need Vizzini to plan. I have no gift for strategy."
Fezzik "But Vizzini is dead."
Inigo "No...not Vizzini. I need the man in black."
Fezzik "What?"
Inigo "Look, he bested you at strength, your greatness. He bested me with steel. He must have out-thought Vizzini, and a man who can do that can plan my castle onslaught any day! Let's go!"
Fezzik "Where?"
Inigo "Find the man in black obviously."
Fezzik "But you don't know where he is?"
Inigo "Don't bother me with trifles, after twenty years at last my father's soul will be at peace."
"There will be blood tonight!"

[upuaut8]

Humperdink "You truly love each other, and so you might have been truly happy. Not one couple in a century has that chance, no mater what the storybooks say. And so I think no man in a century will suffer as greatly as you will."

[upuaut8]

Inigo "Fezzik! Fezzik! Listen. Do you hear? That is the sound of ultimate suffering. My heart made that sound when Rugen slaughtered my father. The man in black makes it now."
Fezzik "The man in black?"
Inigo "His true love is marrying another tonight. So who else is the cause for ultimate suffering."

[Phil Jayhan]

Rugen ' I'll give you anything, anything you want...'

Inigo 'Offer me money then'

Rugen 'Everything, anything, it's yours, just let me live'

Inigo 'Offer me power, I want power'

Rugen 'It's yours, up to half the Kingdom, what else could you possibly want?'

As the sword gets buried in Rugen-Inigo says;

I want my Father back you Son of a B*itch

Rugen Ahhh. And the sword goes in again to do the Coup De Gra

[Niann]

"I think that is the first time in my life someone has dared to insult me!"

"It wont be the last; you warthog faced buffoun!"

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Fezzik- "Hello pretty lady!"

-Niann

[Phil Jayhan]

[Buttercup jumps over the ship]

Vizzini: What?! Go in!! Go after her!!!
Inigo: I don't swim.
Fezzik: I only dog-paddle...
Vizzini: Aauuuggghhhhh!!!"!!!

Vizzini: Veer left! ...left! ...left!&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp [suddenly, horrible screeching is heard]
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Do you know what that sound is, highness? Those are the shrieking eels!
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp If you don't believe me, just wait. They always grow louder when they're
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp about to feed on human flesh! If you swim back now I promise no harm
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp will come to you...I doubt you'll get such an offer from the eels.

Grandfather: She doesn't get eaten by the eels at this time.
Kid: What?
Grandfather: The eel doesn't get her...I'm explaining to you because you looked
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp nervous.
Kid: I...I wasn't nervous. Well maybe I was a little bit concerned but that's
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp not the same thing.
Grandfather: ...Because we can stop now if you want.
Kid: No, you could read a little bit more if you want.

Narrator: [reading Vizzini's part] 'Do you know what that sound is highness?
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Those are the shrieking eels!'
Kid: Pass that, Grandpa. You read it already.
Grandfather: Oh...oh my goodness, I did. I'm sorry. Beg your pardon. [now
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp mumbling to himself] alright, alright, lets see..uh...she was in the
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp water, the eel was going after her, she was frightened, the eel started
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp to charge her and then...

[Fezzik reaches out of the boat, hits the eel on the head, and pulls Buttercup
back on Board]

[Phil Jayhan]

Westley: Where am I?
Albino: [in a raspy voice] The Pit of Despair....don't even think...[cough,
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp gag] [The albino loses his raspy voice.] Don't even think about trying
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp to escape. The chains are far too thick. And don't dream of being
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp rescued either, the only way in is secret. Only the Prince, the Count
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp and I know how to get in and out.
Westley: Then I'm here 'till I die?
Albino: 'Till they kill you, yeah.
Westley: Then why bother curing me?
Albino: Well, the Prince and the Count always insist on everyone being healthy
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp before they're broken.
Westley: So it's to be torture. [The albino gestures happily] I can cope with
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp torture. [The albino vigorously shakes his head no.] You don't believe
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp me?
Albino: You survived the fire-swamp, you must be very brave. But nobody
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp withstands the machine.

[Phil Jayhan]

Fezzik: How long do we have to wait before we know if the miracle works?
Inigo: Your guess is as good as mine.
Westley: [disoriented] I'll beat you both apart! I'll take you both together!
Fezzik: I guess not very long.
Westley: Why won't my arms move?
Fezzik: You've been mostly dead all day.
Inigo: We had Miracle Max make a pill to bring you back.
Westley: Who are you? Are we enemies? Why am I on this wall? Where's
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Buttercup?
Inigo:&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Let me explain....no, there is too much. Let me sum up; Buttercup is
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp marrying Humperdinck in little less than half an hour.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp So all we have
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp to do is get in, break up the wedding, steal the princess, make our
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp escape - after I kill Count Rugen.
Westley: That doesn't leave much for dilly-dally.
Fezzik: You just wiggled your finger! That's wonderful!
Westley: I've always been a quick healer. What are our liabilities?

[Phil Jayhan]

[Buttercup jumps out of the window and is caught by Fezzik]

Inigo:&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp You know, it's very strange. I have been in the revenge business so
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp long, now that it's over I don't know what to do with the rest of my
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp life.
Westley: Have you ever considered piracy? You'd make a wonderful Dread Pirate
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Roberts. [Both leave]

Narrator: They rode to freedom. As dawn arose, Westley and Buttercup knew they
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp were safe. A wave of love swept over them. And as they reached for
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp each other...

Kid: What?! What?!
Grandfather: Naah, it's kissing again. You don't want to hear that.
Kid: Well...I don't mind so much.
Grandfather: Okay.

Narrator: Since the invention of the kiss, there had been five kisses that were
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp rated the most passionate, the most pure. This one left them all
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp behind. THE END.

Grandfather: Now, I think you ought to go to sleep.
Kid: Okay...
Grandfather: [searching his pockets, making sure he forgot nothing] Okay...
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp okay... okay...alright...shalom.
Kid: Grandpa.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Maybe you could come over and read it again to me tomorrow.
Grandfather: As you wish.

[Phil Jayhan]

[In the chapel: Music blares. Humperdinck and Buttercup stand before a
clergyman. The clergyman [Peter Cook] has a speech impediment.]

Clergyman: Mawwiage. Mawwiage is what bwings us togethaw today. Mawwiage,
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp that bwessed awwangement, that dweam within a dweam...

[From outside, the voice of Yellin is heard]

Yellin: Stand your ground, men! Stand your ground! Stand your ground!

[Fezzik is dressed in the black cloak, and being pushed from behind in the
Wheelbarrow. He now looks enormous and fearsome!]

Fezzik: I am the Dread Pirate Roberts! There will be no survivors!
Inigo: Now?
Westley: Not yet.
Fezzik: My men are here! I am here! ... but soon you will not be here!
Inigo: [barely holding up Fezzik] Now?!
Westley: Light him! [They light Fezzik's robe with a torch]
Fezzik: The Dread Pirate Roberts takes no survivors! All your worst nightmares
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp have but to come true!

[Most of the gate guards scatter in all directions]

Clergyman: Then wove, twue wove, will follow you fowever...

[Outside]

Fezzik: The Dread Pirate Roberts is here for your soul! [Yellin yells for the
guards to fight. The rest run.]

Clergyman: So tweasure youw...
Humperdink: [interrupting] Skip to the end!
Clergyman: Have you the wing?
Buttercup: Here comes my Westley now.

[Phil Jayhan]

[Fezzik has removed the robe and all the guards except Yellin have fled.]

Westley: Fezzik, the portcullis! [Fezzik lifts the portcullis with some
trouble]

Humperdink: Your Westley is dead. I killed him myself.
Buttercup: Then why is there fear behind your eyes.

Westley: [to Yellin] Give us the gate key.
Yellin: I have no gate key.
Inigo: Fezzik, tear his arms off.
Yellin: Oh, you mean this gate key. [Yellin hands over the key]

Clergyman: Do you Pwincess Buttecwup...
Humperdink: [annoyed] Man and wife! Say man and wife!
Clergyman: Man and Wife.
Humperdink: Escort the bride to the honeymoon suite. I'll be there shortly.
Buttercup: He didn't come...

[Fezzik, Inigo and Westley are in the castle. Fezzik is holding up Westley.
Inigo, leading the way, meets with Count Rugen and four of his guards.]

Count Rugen: Kill the dark one and the giant but leave the third for
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp questioning.

[The guards try to rush by Inigo, but are no match for his brilliant
swordsmanship. Inigo slays all four. Only Count Rugen remains.]

Inigo: Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.

[Just as Inigo and the Count prepare to duel, the Count turns around and runs
away. Inigo chases after Count Rugen, who locks one of&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp the doors behind him.
Inigo is not strong enough to break through]

Inigo: Fezzik! I need you!
Fezzik: I can't leave him [Westley] alone!
Inigo: He's getting away from me Fezzik! Please!! Fezzik!
Fezzik: [to Westley] I'll be right back. [Fezzik goes and knocks the door
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp down easily]
Inigo: Thank you.

[Phil Jayhan]

Man in black: Rest, highness.
Buttercup: I know who you are. Your cruelty reveals everything. You're the
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Dread Pirate Roberts, admit it!
Man in black: With pride. What can I do for you?
Buttercup: You can die slowly, cut into a thousand pieces.
Man in black: [shaking his head] Hardly complimentary, your highness...Why do
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp you assure venom on me?
Buttercup: [upset] You killed my love.
Man in black: It's possible, I kill a lot of people. Who was this love of
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp yours?&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Another prince like this one...ugly, rich, and scabby?
Buttercup: No, a farmboy...poor! Poor and perfect, with eyes like the sea
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp after a storm. On the the high-seas your ship attacked, and the Dread
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Pirate Roberts never takes prisoners!
Man in black: I can't afford to make exceptions. I mean once word leaks out
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp that a pirate has gone soft people begin to disobey him and its nothing
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp but work, work, work all the time.
Buttercup: You mock my pain!
Man in black: Life is pain, highness!&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Anyone who says differently is selling
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp something. [pausing for a bit]&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp I remember this farmboy of yours I
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp think.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp This would be what? Five years ago? Does it bother you to hear?
Buttercup: Nothing you can say will upset me.
Man in black: He died well, that should please you. No bribe attempts or
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp blubbering. He simply said please, please, I need to live. It was the
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp please that caught my memory. I asked what was so important for him;
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 'True love' he replied. And then he spoke of a girl of surpassing
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp beauty and faithfulness...I can only assume he meant you. You should
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp bless me for destroying him before he found out what you really are.
Buttercup: And what am I?
Man in black: Faithfulness he talked of, madam, your enduring faithfulness! Now
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp tell me truly, when you found out he was gone did you get engaged to
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp your prince that same hour or did you wait a whole week out of respect
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp for the dead?!
Buttercup: You mocked me once! Never do it again! I died that day!

[Phil Jayhan]

A sound link to spice this up a bit.


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This is Westley being shoved down the hill by Buttercup.

What she said right before she pushed him;


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What he said to her, before shae said to him and pushed him down the hill.


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These are great lines in the real voices. doesn't get much better than this;

pj

[Phil Jayhan]

No one to be trifled with; sound;


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pj

[Phil Jayhan]

Drop your sword; Sound-


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pj

[Phil Jayhan]

'Who are you, I must know......???'
sound

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pj

[Phil Jayhan]

This is true love, do you think this happens every day?


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pj

[Phil Jayhan]

ooops, sorry phor the silent movie, should have tested it phirst.

pj

i'll twy again

[Phil Jayhan]

Check out the last link,(Triffle.wav); It's the entire library of everything at this site. Pick and choose, you are all knowledgable enough to do it and it will save you the time of going message to message. I found it by accident. Tons of Princess Bride wavs. Audios, jpegs. Kind of what I need to make up phor the silent movie above;


pbride.com/prinbride/headache.wav (http://pbride.com/prinbride/headache.wav)

pbride.com/prinbride/surrender.wav (http://pbride.com/prinbride/surrender.wav)

pbride.com/prinbride (http://pbride.com/prinbride) /Triffle.wav
pj

aha!!
the beauty of mistakes, check the last link; just got the library your self and get what you want; Its the library of the entire sites sounds, jpegs, gifs, wava, etc...check it out

[Phil Jayhan]

The Machine Wav; No one survives it....


pbride.com/prinbride/torture.wav (http://pbride.com/prinbride/torture.wav)
pj

[Phil Jayhan]

In case anyone wants to know what I look like....

pj

[Phil Jayhan]

hmmmmmmmmmm

[Phil Jayhan]

Aha!

[ilyaslamasse]

Strange... You remind me of somebody...

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[Phil Jayhan]

And it won't be the last....Drop your Sword!

[Delaneys77]

"I would not envy the headache you'll have when you wake. Rest well...and dream of large women" - wesley

[Delaneys77]

ooohhh... thought of another one I didn't see...
"Good night, wesley. Sleep well... I'll most likely kill you in the morning..."

[Delaneys77]

oh! oh! one more....

"what I wouldn't give for a holocoust cloak..."
"there we cannot help you."
"will this do?"
"where did you get that??"
"at miracle max's. It fit so nice he said I could keep it."

I got more...

[Phil Jayhan]

"My Fiancee, Prince Humperdink can track a hawk on a cloudy day"

[Delaneys77]

"it's odorless, tasteless, dissolves instantly in water...
it's iocade powder I'd bet my life on it!"

[Phil Jayhan]

"You didn't say I do" therefore you are not married......"

[upuaut8]

"There was a mighty duel.. both men were masters. It ranged all over. The loser went off that way, the winner, followed this trail towards Gilder."
"Should we follow them both my lord?"
"The loser is nothing.. only the princess matters. She was alive not long ago.. if she is otherwise when I find her, I shall be very put out."

[Phil Jayhan]

Haven't seen you for a while on this thread.....Hmmm, come to think of it, not since Jenn showed up. And now this curious quote phrom the Princess Bride..
Hidden conotations, I strongly suspect....and "I am never wrong"

Suspiciously yours
pj
:rollin:
But lest I break the chain; "I accept, a duel to the death...."

[upuaut8]

I was giving you guys a chance to catch up. I spent a night posting and I think I racked up a page and a half of quotes. :)

you're much too paranoid. I'm just a friendly person.

[Phil Jayhan]

Your not really paranoid if they really are to get you, remember this! Doh!

pj

[upuaut8]

ahh, but I'm not.. so you're paranoid.

[Phil Jayhan]

Doh!

[upuaut8]

"Hear that princess.. those are the screeming eels. They always get louder as they are about to feast on human flesh."

[Phil Jayhan]

"I only dog paddle"

[Delaneys77]

"Bye Bye!!!"
"Have fun storming the castle!!!"
"Think they'll make it?"
"It'll take a miracle..." - Mr. & Mrs. Miracle Max

[Phil Jayhan]

"And don't go swimming for like, an hour after you take the pill"

[Delaneys77]

(up the cliffs of insanity)
"faster!!!"
"you were supposed to be...(my tape's been warped here for about 3 years now and I haven't gotten the DVD yet...:( )"
"you were this great legendary thing and yet he gains!!!"
"well I'm carrying 3 people and he got only himself..."
"I do not accept excuses!! I'm just going to have to find myself a new giant...that's all."
"Don't say that...."

[Phil Jayhan]

"I am going to do him left handed..."
"You know what a hurry we're in"
"It's just not fair, if I do him right handed, that is..."
"Very well, do it your way, just finish him and do it quickly" (Strong Lisp)

[Delaneys77]

"We are men of action... Lies do not become us."

[Phil Jayhan]

Rugen; "Well Said"
Rugen; "What are you staring at?"
Wesley "I just happened to notice that you have 6 fingers on your right hand and I know someone whos been looking for you..."

[Delaneys77]

"I've seen worse"
"sir..sir...we're in a terrible rush."
"Don't rush me sonny. You rush a miracle man you get rotten miracles....you got money?"
"65"
"whoo...I never worked for so little. Except once, and that was a very noble cause."
"It is noble sir...his wife is children ... his children on the brink of starvation..."
"are you a rotten liar."
"I need him to help avenge my father, murdered these 20 years..."
"Your first story was better."

[Delaneys77]

Here's a little tidbit:
Buttercup's name is Aluthra.

[ilyaslamasse]

Hey stop it !! I think that we've read the whole movie twice by now.

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[Phil Jayhan]

"That Senior lamasse, he sure likes to fuss"

"He probably means no HARM"

"Might be because he lacks any CHARM"

[I am not Jubba]

UPPY!! I've noticed a few "errors" in your quotes. have you been taking from the book? just minor things like:

When Wesley is climbing the cliff you have him say:

"Look, I don't mean to be rude, but I'm rather busy just now, so try not to distract me."


But in the movie, i just looked to make sure, he said:

"Look, I don't mean to be rude, but this is not as easy as it looks, so I would appreciate it if you wouldn't distract me."
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Inigo: "I don't suppose you could speed things up?"
Wesley: "If you're in such a hurry you could lower a rope or a tree branch or find something useful to do."
Inigo: "I could do that. I've got some rope up here, but I don't think you would accept my help, since I am only waiting around to kill you."
Wesley: "That does tend to put a damper on our relationship"
Inigo: "I promise i will not kill you until you reach the top."
Wesley: "Thats very comforting, but I'm afraid you'll just have to wait."
Inigo: "I hate waiting. I could give you my word as a Spaniad."
Wesley: "No good, I've known too many Spaniards."
Inigo: "Is there any way you'll trust me"
Wesley: "Nothing comes to mind."
Inigo: "I swear on the soul of my father Dimingo Montoya, you will reach the top alive."
-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=--=

I was just curious about these differences, since you're such a faithful PB fanatic...so I was wondering if these differences were becasue of the book, or you were just trying to pull these out of your memory...

[upuaut8]

some of them are from the book, some are just errors. Phil has quite a few himself though so I figured no one would complain if I was off a little.

good eye

[Phil Jayhan]

Hmmmmm. Moral high ground, standing room for Uppy only. Hmm. Hmmmm

pj

[I am not Jubba]

lol, yeah i noticed phils too, but he only got the sense of humor and good looks when the two of you were separated, so i let it slide.

[sodium15]

ahahahahhahahahaha

[Delaneys77]

ooooops. I was wrong. I went back and checked last night and Alutha was the most beautiful woman in the world when Buttercup was 10. So I guess we all have errors....<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/embarassed.gif ALT=":o">
Which did you do first, read the book or see the movie, and which did you like better? This was one of the few cases I liked the movie more than the book. (but I still like both) Of course, I saw the movie before I read the book in this case. (9 times out of 10 I prefer the book) Lord of the Rings is the only other one that springs to mind - could not make it through the 1st book but the movie was pretty good...Everyone keeps telling me I put the book down about 2 pages before it picks up.... So I try again and I always stop reading in the same place!
oh well

"Liar!! LIAAARRRR!!!!!!"
"Shut up witch!!"
"I'm not a witch, I'm your wife!!!" ~ Mr.

[upuaut8]

lol...

I watched the movie first.. then read the book, then I read the 20th aniversary addition of the book. I like the book better. I find it to be almost verbatum what the movie has in it, but 50% more or so of the material... but to each their own.

As for LOR, I think I like the movie better, but I haven't seen the other two yet (as if anyone has), I'm on book two now, and though I find it a little sluggish, I'm now at the age in my life where I can deal with a little sluggishness from an author. Took reading the Witching hour series from Ann Rice to get me to this point. If you can read that, you'll get through anything.

[Delaneys77]

It's been awhile since I have read it... I had to dig it out to check on the Althua thing. If I remember right, Buttercup was kindof a bi**h in the beginning of the book...(more so than in the movie) like I said it's been awhile. I remembered the name coz I liked it :) I've seen the movie about a million times though. I was disappointed my favorite quote was already posted by Phil....
"Mawwage. Mawwage is the weason we've gaverrrred toooday." When I first saw this movie I had roommates and I cracked them up because according to them I do a dead-on impersonation of the crusty old priest.(peter cook?)
I haven't read much Anne Rice, only Interview with a Vampire. I used to read a lot of Stephen King, and every time I saw one of his movies I HATED IT!! I hate them all... well I don't hate the Green Mile, but I hate the rest of them. Then again I didn't read the green mile...
You guys might like Terry Goodkind's Sword of Truth series... They are my favorite books (along with David Eddings the Belgaraid and Mallorean series)

[I am not Jubba]

Green Mile book was definately better than the movie. I agree with the whole Stephen King thing though, his books are always better than the movies based on them. I am reading the book "Black Hawk Down." Thats really good, and the movie was good too. I'm going to buy PB when I get the money, so I can see if its as good as Uppy claims. Tom Clancy and John Grisham are really good, also.

[upuaut8]

The witching hour is far better than the Vampire series.. of course that's just me.

You're right, Buttercup is much more of a pain in the *** in the book, but I think that is a tribute to the love that Westly feels for her. I liked the book more, I think, because they detailed the other characters better. The story of the Giant and his parents was fantastic.

[Delaneys77]

You do have a point there. I'm going to have to go back and read it again. I think I just have a personal problem with Buttercup..:lol: :lol: I ain't afraid of no ROUS's!!!

[upuaut8]

lol.. well she was designed to be the clasic damsel in a dress, which I've never cared much for in movies or books. Women are not helpless.. anyone who says differently should talk to my mom, she'll kick their ***** even at 67.

[Delaneys77]

She certainly gave Westley plenty of oppertunities to rescue her. :) ~ So I'll give her a break *lol*

[Phil Jayhan]

I have seen the Princess Bride 40+ times and never read the book.

pj

[upuaut8]

I've read the book 5 times, and watched the movie about 30+.

You should read the book for no other reason than it exists Phil. Far too little reading gets done these days, unless the words are pixel patterns.

For everyone in general
I don't know if you're one of those that doesn't read at all, and I wont fault you for such, as those numbers are numerous, and growing by the day, but I will say this to all those who do not read. 99% of the works of man are not put out in movie form, and 99% of those that are, are destroyed in the process. Remarks are remade to suit the mass mindless zombie hords of the illiterate, they are filtered and funneled into neat little packages where there is a hero, and evil, and always a win. That is not life, that is pure falicy in the greatest sense of the word.
You will NEVER know your potential until you start reading. You will NEVER understand the real depths of the human soul until you start reading. You will NEVER be human, until you start reading. You will always be lesser in my eyes.
As I said, I don't fault any of you out there.. it is not easy, and often we are left, after a good read with less than beutiful thoughts, but it is all worth every hour, every tiresome troubled thought we have. You WILL grow from reading. If I can make one person, pick up one book with these words, then it is a joy I cannot express. Please consider that before discarding these words to the winds of the past.

[Phil Jayhan]

I cannot read nor can I write. And your right about the vast mindless zombie hordes....So right!

pj

[Phil Jayhan]

Narrator: They rode to freedom. As dawn arose, Westley and Buttercup knew they
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp were safe. A wave of love swept over them. And as they reached for
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp each other...

Kid: What?! What?!
Grandfather: Naah, it's kissing again. You don't want to hear that.
Kid: Well...I don't mind so much.
Grandfather: Okay.
Narrator: Since the invention of the kiss, there had been five kisses that were
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp rated the most passionate, the most pure. This one left them all
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp behind.

[Phil Jayhan]

Ilyas,
I believe the record is 106 on this board, if memory serves me correctly...Not 70. Duh!

pj

[I am not Jubba]

*cough*pomcan'tcount*cough*

[Phil Jayhan]

The french inventionist is silent on this one...
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

pj

[ilyaslamasse]

DOH !!!! That was... hum... a typo... err... cos as you can see, I mixed up number 10 and number 7 on keyboards... What ? What do you mean there's no key 10 ?

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[kirupa]

lol pom. Numbers can be quite deceptive :)

Upuaut, I agree with you. Far too few people actually read books these days!

[upuaut8]

I'm in the middle of reading something new. For any fans of Sci fi and Fantasy, and those who don't mind reading something with a slightly sacreligious subject matter, I recomend the "His Dark Materials" trilogy by Phillip Pullman. It's in young adult literature, but it's really writen for adults.

here's a link to a discription of the first book of the three

www.randomhouse.com/featu...index.html (http://www.randomhouse.com/features/pullman/goldencompass/index.html)

[ilyaslamasse]

Hey, stop posting in that thread ! (I wonder what I'm doing...). About science fiction, I don't think there can be anything better than Philip K ****'s Blade Runner (Do androids dream blabla).
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[upuaut8]

yes, **** is good (pun INTENDED)

That is one of my favorite stories, but it doesn't mean that there isn't other stuff out there worth reading.

[Phil Jayhan]

I'll have to get it and check it out now that I kin read and right.

[upuaut8]

Oh yes. If you like Blade Runner, it's a must read.

[Phil Jayhan]

I loved Blade Runner. Good movie. Im still looking for my own cyborg chick to run away to the north hills and get married to....

youzzza-
pj

[upuaut8]

Real doll is as good as you can get at this point, but I have a feeling that's not what you're looking for. :)

[ilyaslamasse]

Well, actually, in the Director's cut movie, they don't run away. The movie simply stops when they get in the elevator, right after Rachel walks on that little paper thing the other cop has made. But American producers thought that it wasn't happy enough, so they told Ridley Scott to put that "OK, Rachel's a robot, but she was different, and I'm gonna have lots of children with her and live happily ever after".

And the book is totally different...

And Upu, of course, that doesn't mean that there isn't anything else to read !! My last two sci-fi books : "The world of the River" saga (I don't know the title in English) by Farmer, quite amazing, especially the first ones, and "The Dark Tower" saga by Stephen King.

But I'm not a sci-fi fan, really.

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[upuaut8]

So Pom.. here's a loop to throw Phil, since he hasn't read the book... do you think Dekard was a replicant? :)

[ilyaslamasse]

Well, I've read all sorts of things about that, especially about that unicorn scene in the Director's cut... I really don't think that IN THE MOVIE (as in the book, you can't really be sure) Deckard is a replicant. Why would he be ?
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[upuaut8]

Well, there are implications in the book, and that author is known for putting oddities in his novels which you need to speculate upon, rather than anything which can be proved. It's up to the audience to decide such things. Personaly, I do not believe so, my brother on the other hand does. Just figured I'd ask, and perhaps someone would get so freaked by that statement that they would HAVE to get the book.. and then I've helped another person read something. :)

[ilyaslamasse]

I agree that the book is totally mysterious about that point. You can never really tell, even though...
But the movie... I don't think so. I mean, it doesn't make sense. He just can't be. Except if he's some kind of Rachel type replicant. But then again, that would be strange. I think that his willing to be with her comes from his need to TEACH her something (that is love), his desire of dominating her. Very old philosophical theme. Very macho kind of behaviour too.

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[ilyaslamasse]

Hey, wait a minute ! This is becoming the longest thread ever !! Stop it !
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[Phil Jayhan]

Lady replicants WANT to be dominated......Duh!
pj

Uppy-BTW, whats on the other side of that copper door inside the pyramid? A parallel universe of course and thats the front door.

[upuaut8]

If I were to hazard a guess I would say the "cap stone" of the origionaly pyramid. That is, their myth tells of the phonix which dropped from the sky only to rise again, but what was found by them in the crater of that death, was a large egg made of black iron.

You'll have to look it up if you want to know more.

two good sources are

"The Orion Mystery"
and
"The message of the Sphinx"

[Phil Jayhan]

Or, it is possible that it is a door to the Hollow Earth. Right? Tell me Im right. I WANT TO BELIEVE!

pj

[upuaut8]

hmm, me thinks you are less than serious.. ok, I give, could be the hollow earth. (Bedrock layers in that area would prevent such a thing, even if reality didn't already do so. :) )

[Phil Jayhan]

No, I actualy think the earth could be hollow.

pj

[ilyaslamasse]

I think you're serious about that.
It may be so, but lots of basic physics experiments can prove you wrong. So be careful. After all, some people still believe that man was created 5000 years ago. That's called obscurantism.

I'd rather believe in that Stargate crap. Much more exciting than a hollow Earth, according to me...

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[Phil Jayhan]

Better be carefull there Ilyas. I am one of those people that believe that humans were created, well, about 5000 years ago or so. Our written history stops there. :rollin:

hmmm,
pj

[ilyaslamasse]

Well, a person I know had her head smashed with an axe because she'd made a presentation on Darwin. :(

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[Phil Jayhan]

Obviously she was not one of the 'fittest', ya know, survival of the fittest.
I hope your not serious and are kidding. Let me guess. It was a Christian that axxed this person for giving a presentation on Darwin.

pj

[upuaut8]

I thought that was pretty funny Phil.. even in poor taste. :)

[Phil Jayhan]

I know it wasn't in the best taste. But I couldn't resist. I just couldn't resist.

pj

[ilyaslamasse]

I'm not kidding, unfortunately. Life sucks sometimes...

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[Phil Jayhan]

Life is pain, anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to sell you something. I had to throw in a quote because of the thread. Thats pretty hard to believe and even sadder because true.

I know we call this civilization and like to think of ourselves as civilized, lacking anything comparative to judge ourselves by. But I wonder, I just wonder what the Angels, (the good angels) call us? I dare say it would not be 'civilized...' We as a race, rape, murder, ax, and war with each other constantly. We spend huge amounts of our resources and personal time (everyone, as taxes are used for this machine) to make war, to kill, to rape, pillage and plunder.

Just what might happen, if, say America scrapped the 150 Billion dollars it spends defending Europe yearly (don't need us anymore) and decided to cut taxes at home with 1/2 the sum and the other 75 billion per year it would spend creating a plumbing and electrical grid for all of South America, Latin America, etc....over the next 10 years. How may friends do you think that might buy us? Not including the Europeans, which would love to see us go. And the new markets and economies of scale that would be created...But, no, we waste this money on tanks and missiles and R & D to find new methods of death & destruction. Yada. Which leads me to the conclusion I have stated before; That we as a race of people (humans), are incapable of governing ourselves wisely, prudently or at all.

pj
philisophically yours

[ilyaslamasse]

That would be something, wouldn't it ? The problem is that what happened 6 months ago is a perfect excuse not to do so. But that's not the problem of America only. All nations do so. Take France for instance (why France ? Hmm... I don't know).

The General De Gaulle decided after WW2 that American people were a bunch of suckers, and that a great nation like France, which had fighted for 2 weeks, and then collaborated (I mean, WAKE UP !!!), doesn't need the help of the US. Which lead to the silliest policy ever : we are not really part of NATO, and we have a French army to protect us.

The problem is : an army is ultra-expensive. That's why things happen like after the WTC : we had planes, sure we had, only they didn't have enough fuel to go to Afghanistan. And the ship-carrier had an engine problem somewhere near the French coast.

I mean, @#%$ !! What does that mean ? What the use of spending hundreds of billion Euros if you can't have a lousy Mirage fighter when you need it ??

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[Phil Jayhan]

You know what this WTC comes down to, if those two frenchman are correct? It comes down to the Taliban wanted to much money for the pipeline rights or we wanted to give to little. Thats so sad considering the fact that there are about 25,000 people now dead because of it, that will never live again. They are dead, snuffed out. 25,000 worlds gone....Poof! Just like that. Not to mention two pretty cool buildings gone as well. May we all realize that our next breath is never guaranteed and live wisely those breaths we now have left. Someday we will cease to learn war anymore. That day is just not today. Unforunately.

pj

[ilyaslamasse]

Yeah I heard that it had something to do with money, my personnal friend GW Bush promising the Talibans either a carpet of dollars or a carpet of bombs. Very funny.
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[Phil Jayhan]

Do you know the name of either one of those french authors that wrote that conspiracy WTC tell all about W Bush or the name of the book? (carpets of bombs, carpets of gold...yada) I would like to see if I can find some online translations...I would like to check out what they have to say. Sometimes, you know, even the phrench get it right. Doh! :rollin:

pj

[ilyaslamasse]

Nope. But I can try and find out if you want.

pom 0]

And remember this : French always get it right. Even when they're wrong. That's a constant of the universe, just as gravity.

[Phil Jayhan]

Thats why, my phriend, that no one likes the Phrench....Doh!

pj
ya, phind out that info for me if you can

[ilyaslamasse]

Doh ! I don't know the title nor the authors nor anything else... Any idea about that ??
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[Phil Jayhan]

Bin Laden; The Forbidden Truth

French authors; Jean-Charles Brisard and Guillaume Dasquie

I just found this on a quick search, guess I was lazy hunh? I am trying to find some excerpts on their book now. There is definately a huge story, probably crime/conspiracy relating to September 11th that is so close to the surface. Maybe this book will help put pressure on Bush for the truth.

pj

[ilyaslamasse]

OK, I see which book you're talking about. But I don't even know if there's a translation in English...

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[Phil Jayhan]

Maybe you can translate it for me... :rollin:
This book shows the absolute corruption of George the Elder and George W the younger and how W planned on going to war with Afghanistan before September 11th, and this a good while before, like 8-10 months. And over what? Oil. And it shows hard evidences as well to support their claims. Basically the American Presidency has been hijacked secretly doing the Queens business for 40 years or more, since Kennedy got whacked in the head. I think this country has become subjects again to the Brits...

Tea anyone?
pj

[ilyaslamasse]

Tea time already ???

Anyway, transating the whole book, not mentionning that I'd have to buy it first looks like a great idea to me.
Seriously, I don't see what I can do for you... I have to think about it. MMmmhhhhh....

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[I am not Jubba]

Pom wuts up with that

[ilyaslamasse]

I beg your pardon, Jubby ?

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[Phil Jayhan]

Eazy boy...I was just kidding. Sit down, drink some phrench wine, call your scantilly dressed phrench maid to your side and, don't buy the book for heavens sake. Whoa.

pj
:evil:

And Your Not Jubba-
Whassup with what? Hmmmmm

[ilyaslamasse]

I beg your pardon, Philly boy ?

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[Phil Jayhan]

And thats Pharmboy to you, not Philly boy, Phrenchie!

pj
aint taking no phrench lip today (hope eyze don't show up)

[I am not Jubba]

I meant wuts up with the thing, for some reason it didn't post even though I had it ty

[Phil Jayhan]

methinks you need a new keyboard.

pj

[ilyaslamasse]

Right, Pharmy Boy. Right...

pom 0]

[Phil Jayhan]

wheres my movie?????

[ilyaslamasse]

Eyez, where's his movie ??

pom 0]

[Phil Jayhan]

Its getting slippery in here. Real slippery.

pj

[I am not Jubba]

BAH! I MEANT WUT IS UP WITH THE I thing that is in brackets. It read the brackets and the i as HTML and italicized all the text...

[Phil Jayhan]

Not Jubba,
Thats old gnews man..Old gnews.

pj

[ilyaslamasse]

That Ezboard is a real pain in the butt. You can't write [ i ] without having it to turn into italic...

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[Phil Jayhan]

It seems some of the eazy boards rules and regs are weird and not beneficial to all. I feel your pain Pom. I feel your pain. Ilyas; If you would like I can lend this column to you so you can get your goal of the longest thread ever. Want me to rename this thread for you?

pj

Carpe Diem Senior Lamass'e

[IamNotJubba]

My Latin is a bit rusty...
Carpe Diem
Carpe Nochem
Carpe Cerevisi

[Phil Jayhan]

What do those other two stand for? My latin is a bit rusty as well.

pj

[I am not Jubba]

sieze the night and i am pretty sure the last one is sieze the beer. my spelling might be wrong, but i know its the right word. I was wrong its cerevisia or cervisia but i was close.

[Phil Jayhan]

Seize the beer werks fer me....

Carpe Cervisia
pj

[ilyaslamasse]

Thanks, Phil, for rename the thread...

And talking about Latin, isn't it noctem ??

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[iamnotjubba]

oh yeah...i spelled it wrong. :)

[Phil Jayhan]

Isn't what noctem? I don't know latin. Wasn't even offered in my high school when I went which shows I am not as old as I might appear to seem to be at all. <-------Is that last sentence structurally incorrect? Ya think?

pj

[ilyaslamasse]

The line was clear as holy water. A big thank you for the title, which becomes better and better by the hour. I don't know what to expect next...

Concerning latin, me too have being into trouble whose show my skills to whom were not that good.

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[Phil Jayhan]

I think know I what you mean. Think is me that NotJubba is in a confusion state of. Think you know I mean what?

pj

[JubbaNot]

What?!?!? That doesn't make any sense, and I think thats the point.

[Phil Jayhan]

What? doesn't sense make? Pom understands it! I wouldn't written if it not sense make all to. I think therefore your see eyes that things aren't there. If Phrenchman Pom is superior much so inferior gorilla less than to be to you whats that?

hmmm!
pj

[Phil Jayhan]

And if you prefer things said in Dr Seuss language, here is a portion of Star Trek if written by Seuss.

Worf: The saboteur is in the brig.
He's very strong and very big.
I had my phaser set on stun --
A zzzip! A zzzap! Another one!
He would not budge, he would not fall,
He would not stun, no, not at all!
He changed into a stranger form
All soft and purple, round and warm.

Picard: Did you see this, Mr. Worf?
Did you see this creature morph?

Worf: I did and then I beat him fairly.
Hit him on the jaw -- quite squarely.

Riker: My commendations, Klingon friend!
Our troubles now are at an end!

Crusher: Now let's get our ship to fly
And orbit yonder Indran sky!

Picard: LaForge, please tell me we can go...?

Geordi: Yes, sir, we can. We can, we can go, go, go

Picard: Then make it so! Make it fly and make her go, put it into anti-Graviton overflow

[Phil Jayhan]

And check out this link for a Dr. Seuss sexual purity test;

www.armory.com/tests/seuss.html (http://www.armory.com/tests/seuss.html)

Kind of cool; I was found to be 44% sexually pure, of this Im sure. Lets see how you score before you judge me.

pj

[ilyaslamasse]

I wasn't knowing Star Treck characteristics blabalting with versifications... Stranging stranging...

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[Phil Jayhan]

Pom, Jubba,
Take the test and see how you score. I am curious to see how you guys do with it.

pj

[ilyaslamasse]

I'm pretty old fashioned : 90 %
Weirdness factor : 30 %

Hum...

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By the way, there are some words I don't understand...

[Phil Jayhan]

Which words don't you understand? I'll help you.

And it doesn't seem that new fashioned to have done some of the things I have done; While I have done it on a boat, I have not done it with a goat. Likewise I have done it with a virgin but never with a sturgeon. And while I have never tried ropes and chains I have done it while insane. Yes to on a log, but never, no, not with a dog. And while I have done it on a dare I am not sure you will really care.

pj

[ilyaslamasse]

To do it on a log ?? A VD (I assume that must be a pretty "bad" word, since Eminem uses this in one of his songs, sorry for this board, but I don't think anybody reads this post except you and 'what's-his-name-again-?" Jubby boy).

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[Phil Jayhan]

VD=Venereal Disease

Have you been able to translate that book for me yet? Chop, chop now!

A few things outta curiousity since noone else but whats his name again?, come in here anyways. Do the French have a thing about not winning in Vietnam as the US used to? You know the Vietnam complex thangy. And how do the French feel about England talking about pulling out of the EU?

pj

[ilyaslamasse]

We have quite a few disasters on our minds indeed. WW2 may not be the worse. As you may know, France was very close to Algeria around 1962. Well, we've done really ugly things under the name of the "Republic", and it's just this year that the French government made its apologize to the Algerian people. If you want more information, I can dig a little bit.

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[Phil Jayhan]

Ya, I would like to hear what France did to Algeria. You wouldn't believe the things that America has done. It's enough to be ashamed about and a whole lot more.

pj

[ilyaslamasse]

Actually, I've done a presentation about the influence of the United States on regional conflits, ranging from Iran in 1953 up to Koweit, and Yugoslavia. It's pretty amazing indeed.

I'll see what I can find about Algeria, so that I don't tell you erroneous things.

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[Phil Jayhan]

Tell me what you presented about the US in regional conflicts. I have already learned something though. Wherever we go we create trouble. It is part of our diplomacy. India just recently made overatures to America for it's help on the Kashmir crisis. Big mistake. Now Kashmir will never get solved, not without America getting something out of it. It is disgusting. Wherever we go we create trouble intentionally it seems, because through conflict an adversary is always off balance. Pretty perverse hunh?

pj
I know Algeria is a hotbed of terrorists and a nation of malcontent, other than that nothing more.

[ilyaslamasse]

If I start with my presentation, this will indeed be the longest thread ever... :D
Tomorrow.

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[Phil Jayhan]

Algeria. Thats right between Morocco on the left and Tunisia and libya on the right? By the Gibralter Straights? Right? I would love to hear your presentation. Doesn't France have a Military presence there?

pj

[I am not Jubba]

Wait....France has a MILITARY!!?!?!? HOLY CRAP!! When did this happen? and where the hell was it when Germany was invading in the 40s!!?? :lol:

[Phil Jayhan]

Jubba-
This is one reason nobody likes the French; A little history; when General Patton was routing the German Panzer Divisions 140 clicks from Paris and heading north in a hurry, the French resistance, knowing the proximity of Pattons 3rd Army STARTED the rebellion that would force Patton to be forced into a quick assist before resuming his nothward march. But because the french resistance could not wait 3 more days until airborn corp people were dropped we lost a needless 3000 men. 3000 men!

But ya, France has a decent little army, a great air force, a small but modern navy but with Nuclear attack subs, and a huge stockpile of Nukes. The big kind, the thermonuclear type, 30-50 megatonners...So big that it would make Hiroshima look like a firecracker.
So, yes, France has an army. Another reason for Frances scorn is because they refused to become part of NATO and decided to independently target their Nukes. That pissed everybody off, especially after all the help they had so lately received from across the pond in WWII.

pj

[ilyaslamasse]

Yep, that would be us.

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[Phil Jayhan]

Thats it? Thats all I get. 5 words!
:rollin:
pj

[ilyaslamasse]

Gimme a minute, dammit !! I said tomorrow !

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[Phil Jayhan]

It's maudit to you ****it! I'll expect to see your report. yada,yada...

pj
:evil:

[ilyaslamasse]

About Algeria or the US ? I was talking about the US...

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[Phil Jayhan]

Yes, yes, about the US. Now on with it man.

pj

[Phil Jayhan]

Well, i phinally got Flash mx tonight and am just starting to play with it, Flash mx that is.

pj

[I am not Jubba]

nice save phil.

[Phil Jayhan]

Yes it was. Thanks! What happened to Frenchy? Haven't seen him in a day or so. Wheres that fabled report?

pj
:cool:

[I am not Jubba]

i dunno its not my week to watch him

[Phil Jayhan]

Jubbanaut,
Got any real brain teasers, you know, ones with real answers...One where you don't have to be a Troll or a Hobbit to figure them out??? Like this. This is an example of a real brain teaser, one with a real answer;

You are all alone and there are 3 lights on the first floor of a house. And there are 3 corresponding switches to those lights downstairs in the basement. You must figure out which switch goes to which light with only one trip to the basement. The rules; You may switch each light on from the basement once and only once, and may leave it on for a period of up to 30 seconds or less, but then must be switched back off and left off. Remember, only one trip to the basement is allowed! It is actually quite simple if you just think for a few moments about different possibilities.

pj

[Phil Jayhan]

Pom,
You weren't anyhwere near City Hall at 1:15 today were you? 8 people dead in the shooting...How far is that from your house?

pj

[ilyaslamasse]

I heard about it this morning. I dont' believe it happened in Paris, did it ?

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PS : can't find the darn text I wrote. I guess I'll have to use my legendary memory...

[I am not Jubba]

flip the first switch for 30 seconds. then turn it off. Then flip either the second or third switch. When you reach the basement, if the bulb is off and hot it was the first switch. If it was off and cold its the second switch or if it is on it is the 3rd switch.

I answered my riddle, and I'm not a troll or a hobbit.

[Phil Jayhan]

Jubba,
You are correct. You have the general idea. You turn on one bulb for 30 seconds, one for 15 seconds and one not at all. Then you go upstairs and feel the light bulbs. You see Jubba, this is a REAL RIDDLE with a REAL answer! :rollin:

pj

[Phil Jayhan]

Pom,
Ya, it happened in Paris. You thought it were somewhere else? Here is a clip of the story from MSNBC;

PARIS, March 27 ? A gunman opened fire near the city hall of a Paris suburb early Wednesday, killing at least eight people and wounding 30 others, rescue officials said. AT LEAST 14 of the wounded were in serious condition.
Police arrested the suspect, who was described as someone who was active in local politics and had attended several council meetings. The man did not speak during the shooting and did not make any clear statement when he was arrested, officials said.
The attacker used at least two automatic pistols, said rescue worker Laurent Vibert, and 50 shells were scattered inside the meeting room. Vibert said the suspect, said to be in his 30s, was apparently a member of the leftist Green Party.
?It?s apparently a case of furious dementia,? said Prime Minister Lionel Jospin, who rushed to the scene. ?A horrifying tragedy that harms democracy ? a city council meeting in action,? he said.
Dozens of police vehicles and more than 100 rescue officials were dispatched to the scene in the western Paris suburb of Nanterre, said Cmdr. Christian Decolloredo of the Paris rescue squad.
?Most of the victims were council members,? the spokesman for the Interior Minister told Reuters, adding that the motive for the attack was still unclear.

MAYOR DID NOT KNOW GUNMAN
Mayor Jacqueline Fraysse said she did not know the attacker. There had been no heated debate and the meeting was ending quietly when the shooting began, she said.
?I ended the session,? she said. ?A man got up. He had been sitting in the public area. He shot straight in front of him, and then he moved to where the council members were sitting.?
?He said nothing,? she said. ?It was long. It lasted many minutes.?
Nanterre is a middle-class area west of Paris.
The shooting took place early Wednesday at around 1:15 a.m. (7:15 p.m. ET Tuesday), Decolloredo said.
?We are evacuating people at the moment,? the ministry spokesman said, adding that 15 ambulances and a helicopter had been sent to the scene in Nanterre, a middle-class area near a business district of western Paris, officials said.
The Paris fire captain told NBC News that three New York City firefighters were in Paris to shadow a fire company. When the Paris fire company was dispatched to Nanterre along with several others, the three New York firefighters went along to the scene strictly as observers.
Interior Minister Daniel Vaillant was also at the scene. Rising crime is at the top of France?s political agenda as the spring presidential elections approach.
Thousands of police officers held nationwide strikes in December, saying they deserve more pay and better equipment because their jobs have become increasingly risky. The protests started after two officers were shot and killed during an armed robbery in a Paris suburb in October.
Also in October, a masked gunman opened in the central French city of Tours, killing four people and sending terrified bystanders running for cover.

pj
hmmmmm

[ilyaslamasse]

OK, it happened in Nanterre, which is basically as far from my home as it could possibly be. Pretty shocking thing though. I don't think he has explained his action yet. I'll let you know.

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[Phil Jayhan]

And he won't be saying anything either. He apparently 'jumped' out of a police window and fell 5 stories to his death. No doubt he was upset about something pretty badly. Hey wheres that report on america you promised not so long ago?

pj

[ilyaslamasse]

You know what ? I can' find it, so here's what I'm going to do : look for it this weekend. That is to say tomorrow (tomorrow, always tomorrow, I know...)
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[Phil Jayhan]

Tomorrow, Minyana, Yada, Yada...So hows school going and have you spoken to Eyze, the little Mexican lately? :rollin:

pj

[ilyaslamasse]

Nope. I'd like to by the way (Eyez if you hear me...). Drink some Mexican beer, eat some enchilada... I have to steal that PHP book from you some day.

pom 0]

About school, I'm doing this website, and it's eating all my time (that's why I don't post so much :D ), but it's really interesting. I think that in a few weeks, I'll be able to flood Kirupa with Flash/PHP tutorials, gnark gnark gnark...

[Phil Jayhan]

Tell me more about this new website, like it address and such other stuff...If you don't want it made public as yet then e-mail it to me @ philjayhan@joltmail.net

pj

[Phil Jayhan]

Well, Pom, whats the address to this website? Chop chop frenchie, hip hop, yada, yada.....

American report anyone?
ha ha,
pj
:evil: :evil: :evil:

[ilyaslamasse]

Well, the adress is something like 127.0.0.1 localhost bla bla bla. Which means my computer. It's not online yet, for the very good reason that it's far from being finished, and anyway my web host is down, and has been so for the last few days (or was it weeks ? I can't remember).
You know that I really can't find that bloody thing of mine ?? I'll have to do it off the top of my head, which is, well, not a good idea.

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[Phil Jayhan]

Happy Easter Pomerana!
Are you doing anything special today for Easter or don't you celebrate it? I have a really good brain teaser for you but not the time to post it. I gotta get ready for my Ham and Turkey and potatos and the general feast of this day.
Talk to you tonight when I get home.

pj
Thank God for the resurrection!

[I am not Jubba]

don't eat too much Phil. you might burst.

[Phil Jayhan]

Jubbanaut-
You too! What are you doing today? Getting together with the family or what?
I have a morbid feeling about this holiday and a possible Muslim attack somewhere today....Lets hope against hope and enjoy the day....Do you have plans for today or what?

pj

[I am not Jubba]

actually. I just got back (8:30 EST) from my grandmothers. Dinner with some of my family. Wasn't a pleasant experience, but I survived. I ate too much, but now I'm hungry again, so I'm off in search of food.

[Phil Jayhan]

Ya, had dinner at Steves today with the rest of the Family. Ham, Turkey, Mashed Potatos, Creamed Green Beens, Corn, homemade rolls. Bonanaza today!
Cherry Cobbler... I ate till I was packed. I had a rather nice experience and am sorry to hear your experience wasnt as good as mine; Perhaps next year. But at least you ate well. Well, neither here nor there...Happy Easter Jubba & Ilyas and everyone else out there thats tuning in....

pj

[ilyaslamasse]

Happy Easter guys. Nothing much happening in Paris, I must say. Nice little party, chinese food and strawberry pie (hey, I'm French, remember ?), a couple of good movies (Alien, the Matrix and Brazil, that's a triple good movies, closely followed by the Life of Brian, but we were tired at that time :( ), and everybody to bed at 4 in the morning.

Nice easter, really.
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[I am not Jubba]

this seems to be our thread now. Upu never stops in anymore, because I guess you guys already quoted the whole script from Princess Bride. I had a good Easter, dinner was great, its just that my family is...well...a Jerry Springer Show. Hell, my family is an entire season of Jerry Springer Shows. And when there is that many in one house, it gets kind of tense. Especially with my uncle. He has a short fuse, and he's a big cry-baby. But, oh well...life goes on...:)

[Phil Jayhan]

Jubba & Ilyas,
I think your right. Uppy has abandoned this thread......It's ours now. As for the Jerry Sprnger show, well, theres a little bit of JerrY Springer in everyones family.
Don't let it eat at you but also don't spend too much time courting disfunction. Ilyas, thats a little on the late side for beddy by time isn't it? I thought France had laws against staying up too late....Don't they? :rollin:

pj

[ilyaslamasse]

I have good news folks (though I should really call you by your names since you're just 2... But anyway) :
I found my presentation. Here I go, direct translation :
American superpower and local wars in modern history

Summary

Introduction


1.The United States : a superpower "à part"
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 1.1.How ?
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 1.2.Trying to understand american psychology
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 1.2.1.Messianism
1.2.2.Decisions that go against international Law
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 1.3. The means to intervene in the world


2.American intervention
2.1.For peace
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 2.1.1.Situation in Kosovo
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 2.1.2.Conflit between Isreal and Palestine
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 2.1.3.American politics in Black Africa
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 2.2.To protect their economical interests
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 2.2.1.In Black Africa
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 2.2.2.In Irak
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 2.2.3.In Panama
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 2.3.Political interests
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 2.3.1.Irak
2.3.2.Coup in Iran in 1953
2.3.3.Panama crisis and Operation « Just Cause »
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 2.3.4.Kosovo and différences compared to Tchetchenia


Conclusion


Introduction


The USA have a very special place in today's world. Whatever the domain, culturally, economically or in the military, american power is obvious, which lead certain people to call it superpower.

That is why we can wonder about the influence of American foreign politics, especially towards local conflicts. If you look at that map I have in front of my eyes, you can notice 2 things :
-&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp There has never been a conflict on American soil. Ironically, the USA have been one of the most often implicated countries during recent wars, however cold.
-&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Which leads to this : they are more or less always connected to any single conflict on Earth. If you think about Central America, Africa, Balkans, Middle East, Korea, Timor, they are always there.

I'm sorry, I'm shorcuting my work, but sometimes I really can't translate. :(

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[Phil Jayhan]

Thats ok about translation; Practice makes perfect. Regarding your essay I hope I get to see it all, sounds interesting. There are a few minor errors however; There have been some battles fought on America, we have been thrice, 3 times invaded. Once in 1814 by England. Once around 1916 by Poncho Villa, a Mexican Revolutionary and once by Japan, but not at Pearl Harbor as that wasn't America yet. There was an invasion of Alaska by Japanese forces in WWII. And some very bloody, attritious battles. See if you can find these two instances on the Internet, as it will only help your paper and also help you be more accurate. But I want to hear more. Sounds good. Post more.

Japanese Battle of Aleutians in WWII
Entire story here;
www.geocities.com/tempelh...FHIST.html (http://www.geocities.com/tempelhof.geo/11AFHIST.html)
excerpt below;
On 11 May, men from the 7th Infantry Division were landed on Attu and in a hard fought battle that resulted in 549 dead and 1,148 wounded with another 2,100 taken out of action for various other causes, secured the island by the 29th. Of the approximately 2,500 Japanese defending the island, only 29 survived as prisoners of war. The rest either died in battle or committed suicide.

Because of the poor weather, air support was limited to 11 days during the battle. The Eleventh Air Force, however, was able to fly 904 sorties and drop 541 tons of bombs during May. Most of the effort was directed against Attu.

The Eleventh Air Force next turned its full fury against Kiska. During June through 15 August, when a combined force of 33,000 Americans and Canadians landed on the island, the Eleventh Air Force flew 1,775 sorties and dropped 1,405 tons of bombs on the island.

When the troops landed, they found Kiska abandoned. The Japanese had managed to evacuate their garrison of 5,000 from the island on 29 July without being detected.

On 11 May, men from the 7th Infantry Division were landed on Attu and in a hard fought battle that resulted in 549 dead and 1,148 wounded with another 2,100 taken out of action for various other causes, secured the island by the 29th. Of the approximately 2,500 Japanese defending the island, only 29 survived as prisoners of war. The rest either died in battle or committed suicide.

Because of the poor weather, air support was limited to 11 days during the battle. The Eleventh Air Force, however, was able to fly 904 sorties and drop 541 tons of bombs during May. Most of the effort was directed against Attu.

The Eleventh Air Force next turned its full fury against Kiska. During June through 15 August, when a combined force of 33,000 Americans and Canadians landed on the island, the Eleventh Air Force flew 1,775 sorties and dropped 1,405 tons of bombs on the island.

When the troops landed, they found Kiska abandoned. The Japanese had managed to evacuate their garrison of 5,000 from the island on 29 July without being detected.

Ponch Villa raids in America

www.onwar.com/aced/nation...sa1916.htm (http://www.onwar.com/aced/nation/uni/usa/fmexicousa1916.htm)

British Invasion of 1814 and the Burning of Washington

www.iaw.on.ca/~jsek/1812ap01.htm (http://www.iaw.on.ca/~jsek/1812ap01.htm)

pj

[ilyaslamasse]

1.USA : a superpower à part

&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 1.1.Superpower

G. Dorel defines this as a "state which distinguishes itself in the world not only because it's huge, but also by the means it has to insure a lasting influence over the planet in terms of economy, culture and diplomacy. That would be a great definition of the US.

Ameriacn power has -at least- 3 faces :
·&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp The military : The US are basically the only country with the capacity to strike anywhere very fast. The technological gap between the US and Europe became obvious during the campaign in Kosovo.

·&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp the Economy : unmatched growth since the After-War, low unemployment, development of the New Economy, rescuing of the Mexican economy during the crisis of 1997, lots of foreign funding... We can all see how any drop at Wall Street strikes all the other Stock Markets in the world.

·&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp the Soft Power : A very strong attraction, and influence, through cinema, music, cooking, fashion, what they call the American Way of life.

·&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Last but not least : no country seems to be able to contest this situation of hegemony, not now nor in 10 years.

All these elements give a very American taste to the "mondialisation" (worldalisation???)
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[ilyaslamasse]

Thanks for the precisions, Phillie.

&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 1.2.Try to understand american psychology

&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 1.2.1.Messianism
The US have become more than a model, they have become THE model, and they seem to take tht role rather seriously. But they have to face a paradox : their isolationism, because of the threat of terrorism (I wrote that before the 11th of September), illustrated by the anti-missile shield they are trying to build, and the feeling that we will call messianism.

This "role" would be to export American values of liberal democracy, this particular regime being on top of the neo-Darwinian chain of regimes evolution. Their will to develop exchanges and to convert to their economical scheme the more counties they can could be explained by their will to civilize these countries, to show them the way (and maybe also to prove themselves they are on the right tracks by the simple rule of "the majority's always right"). Let's not forget that their economical power will inevitably give them the advantage during the exchanges.

The rhetoric of messianism finds a very powerful illustration in the way some interventions were lead. The strategy of preventing crimes against humanity lead by the US consists a kind of bombing of moral values (Irak, Afghanistan, Soudan, Kosovo?), of punishment from the sky sent by a tough guy on an almost virtual level, with a war without fights, without deads, proceding with "surgical strikes".

1.2.2.decisions against international Law
The US use and abuse their dominant situation. They inspire rules and laws, but then don't abide by those rules.

In a way, as a consequence of their domination, the US seem to act in the name of a "moral superiority", which allows them to forget some international agreements. After refusing to sign the treaty about total ban on nuclear trials, they launched the anti-missile missiles run that jeopardies lots of treaties and agreements signed since 30 years. Not to mention that they signed the non-Proliferation treaty in 1968, and that they were the ones who lead the campaign for its reconduction 25 years later. At the same time, they have always refused to take seriously the commitment of other nuclear powers (Soviet Union, UK, France and China), though written, to take a serious step towards total ban and destruction of nuclear weapons. Well, this is the only that could convince other countries to renounce nuclear weapons. However, American diplomats declared durung the conference on the matter in 1995 in Geneva that the idea that they could destroy their nuclear weapons was "no less than laughable".

They rejected the new internation Cour pénale, created to judge war crimes and genocides. In 1998, the Clinton administration gave its support to the creation of this Court. But when it received in Rome the approbation of 102 countries, the US were one of the 7 countries to vote against, next to Israël, Libya, Irak, China, Qatar and Soudan. Mr Scheffer explained that this was because the "Court endangers those who enforce peace and international security. All the others need it, but not the US.

I'm dead tired. Suite tomorrow.

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[Phil Jayhan]

Ilyas-
A few myths to consider;

Myth #1 - America is peace loving and peacefull.

Truth; America has used military force, gone to war, or created a 'police' action some 231 times since 1776. Thats some 231 military intervention in some 226 years in existence. There is barely a country we haven't either inavaded or gone to war with. If we were treated this way by any other international body or government we not tolerate it for a moment. America has established what I would call a crude 'Cruise Missile Diplomacy' and it is a huge albatross around Americas neck and most citizens are not aware of the extent of long term damage this is doing to Americas prestige. America loves peace as long as it serves them and it seems we have little regard for other nations and their thirst for peace. It is an America first attitude, selfish, immature and shortsighted.

Myth #2 - America exports, or tries to export its form of liberal democracy, i.e. the US Constitution and a tri-partate form of representitive democratic institution the world over.

Truth; Nothing could be further from the truth. Everywhere America goes and uses its power to inflence are basically dictatorships and two-bit Banana Republics. The Intelligence community in America see this as the best way to assure superiority. This way when America, i.e. Federal Washington, doesn't like the way things are being run, they simply step in and create whatever situation they need in order to topple and gain control again. There few exceptions to this rule, whether the Pacific Rim nations, to Far East Asia, to the Middle East, Africa, South America. In this America acts much like a 21 year old kid who hangs out with 13 and 14 year olds because it is an easier situation for him

pj

[Phil Jayhan]

Ilyas-
These are some ideas, food for thought. They include a few literations of points made in your essay, which is, by the way very good. These will help you perhaps expand the base of your report in individual categories.

Faces of American Power;

Military
1. Paramilitary and Foreign Army building
2. Paramilitary Drug Interdictions, Training Assistance & Backdoor Control Via;
A. Opportunities exist to influence and establish footholds of domination through our Paramilitary operations in the Host countries governments.
B. Opportunities also exist to subordinate criminal elements in the Host countries and make them subserviant to American interests, either to the goo
d, or the detriment of the Host country.

Intelligence Community;
1. Setting up secret Armies to advance American foreign policy aims; i.e. Afghanistan in the 80's against Soviet occupation, the arming of Iraq in the 8's to advance American aims at keeping instability inside the gulf region.
2. Advancing revolutions, and more often than not these revolutions have nothing to do with the US Constitution and exporting its values to Host countries.
3. Intelligence gathering on subversive groups to obtain information and inteligence in order to establish grounds for blackmail and subversion through threats and intimidation.
4. Via the means mentioned above the American Foreign Policy establishment can also change most if not all foreign governments through outside 'illegal' manipulations to suit it's momentary, fleeting will.

Goodwill & Charities Organizations'
1. Able to establish footholds inside of foreign governments for the purposes of spying, subterfuge and and intelligence gathering. Long a favorite arm of the US CIA Intelligence communites. The Eastern Block used to use this same method; See UNICEF and how it was used as an arm of the Russian Intelligence agencies to subvert foreign governments. Yes, they used a childrens fund to expand communism! I will ammend this later; Nuff fer now.

Other Faces of American Power to be considered;
Medical Research and Regulation & Advancement of American dominance
Economic exports & Intelligence --How they are intertwined as to be one and the same thing.
Hardware Infrastructure & Installations i.e. Echelon
Agricultural Exports, Food as bargaining chip, weapon
International Space Program - Technical Espionage on grand scale
Internation Monetary Fund & World Bank (Both are owned with the US having a 51% abiding and controlling interest.)
Council on Foreign Relations - Responsible for Advancement of select proto idealogical mantras. i.e. Advancement of narrow american agenda on a grand scale; Main purpose; To establish a stability in the world to protect the wealth of the plutocrats, the 900 richest families in the world. Started in 1922 by Nelson Rockefeller. Can be credited to having placed in power the last 6 Presidents, from Nixon onwards.
Bilderburg Group - Another Secret Society weilding immense political influence on American and British politics.
Trilateral Commission; Secret Society with immense powers; formed to bridge the big 3, Europe, Japan and the United States and guarantee their dominance in every aspect of world life, including international criminal mafia and syndicated elements. Secret Societies and the pure power they represnt should not be discounted merely because information on these groups is hard to come by because of their secretive nature. Bill Clinton belonged to all of the above secret societies, all of which demand an oath that is quite contradictory to the oath required they take as President; Conflict of interest.

pj

[upuaut8]

Actually I'm just too busy to check the Random forum most days. I will be printing this thread out though to catch up, as you've finaly hit a subject that I have a strong interest in, Political Sciences. The posts above look pretty interesting to me.

(Have I mentioned that you should read Micheal Moore's, Stupid White people?)

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[Phil Jayhan]

Hey Uppy,
Long time, good to cya. Your input would be welcome as this is a very large subject. We have no rules, I just asked Pom to print out his report on America and this is just growing from that. This is my biggest interest in life, Political Science, and I canot get away from it no matter...

I also wanted to give Pom as much information as I could to possible help him to a better paper. (the french know so very little) :rollin:

I think Liveaccoustic posted something, and retracted it. Perhaps its better not to have seen it--- ;)

pj

[Phil Jayhan]

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[upuaut8]

note: you know that land mine treaty that we keep forcing other countries to support? We have yet to sign it.

note: We have had three declared "state of emergency"'s the oldest dating back to the great depression. Not one president has even brought an option to the table to have them dismattled. In a state of emergency the government has full authority to subject martial law opon the populous. That is to say, NO CONSTITUTION RIGHTS are guerentied under martial law.

If I can think of any other tid bits I'll pass them on. I definitely think that it's worth it, as a political scientist, to pick up Micheal Moore's book.

[Phil Jayhan]

Uppy-
I don't know what ez board thought was an HTML comment but oh well..That was a surprise to see an empty message that I spent so long in typing out.

Land Mine Treaty - Good Idea - just not here, just not now...

The land mine treaty is bogus in my opinion. A back door attempt to outlaw war. The major casualties; Our Soldiers. We will never be rid of land mines and like it or not they are indispensable in warfare. The US has made huge breakthroughs in this area, this also being one of the reasons it didn't sign. 4 months ago the US revealed the future American landmine. It's a cylindrical device thats of course, buried, and when activated by enemy personel, pops up in the air at quite a velocity, spraying a highly combustiable fuel air mixture and finally blowing up, spreading out pellets in a 360o circumference. The enemy is either suffocated or blown to bits or severely wounded. Either way the kill rates are close to 90%, and it promises to maim and injure, which is of course, it's purpose. This shows the mere lethality of this simple device. The neat thing about this mine; Upon leaving an area, the American forces simply press a radio controlled device and the entire land mine area explodes, leaving no such land mines behind. In tests, this had @#%$ near close to a 100% success rate. They believe by advancing this technology they can achieve 100%.

And their weapons shall be turned into plowshares and niether will they learn to make war anymore...

It would be neat if war was no more. But it isn't, it is here. And, like it or not, (I don't like it a bit) war is state sanctioned mass murder. And in war, the idea is not so much to die for my country, as much as it is to make the other son of a ***** on the battlefield, die for his. So, land mines are indeed indispensible. Ask the South Koreans if this be so; They stare down daily a million man army ready and poised to strike through the 37th parallel. Land mines will be a factor in that theater that might save 10,000 American/Allied personell in the first 72 hours alone. So, it's not a finished conclusion at all that there is wisdom in the land mine treaty. I actually applaud America in this issue. It tackled the problem of mines left behind. Period. We, our forces, will not be doing that in too many future wars, as our stocks diminish and are replaced. And in the meantime, the little guy, the foot soldier that no one gives a @#%$ about, is safe and a little more secure. Whats your thoughts?

pj
I will have to check that book out. I have heard this over and over and think it's about time to find out how stupid white men really are. :rollin:

[Phil Jayhan]

State of Emergency Powers in America

Your right about that. the funny thing, if thought about, is why did they have to declare a state of emergency 3 times?? They never rescinded the first one. And, it wasn't un-intentional that this is so. No mere coinkidink.

Operation Garden Plot

Put 'Operation Garden Plot' into a search engine and go from there. This is the US government trying to make sure they have an Army willing to fire on and kill, American civilians if so ordered. This contingency should never even be contemplated in a Democratic Republic such as ours. The U.S military was originally designed with safegaurds in place to prevent it from ever being used as a tool against American citizens; But these safeguards are either not in place any longer or eroded. If the truth be told about what this military establishment has done to the good trusting citizens of this country the nation would rise up and hang these tyrannts by their lobes.

Homeland Defense

And what Bush has done by creating a new office with spurious authority called Homeland Defense is mind boggling. Their 2nd years budget is 37 BILLION dollars, 4 billion more than the CIA's. And whats the purpose of this office? To do the job that all of the MANY intelligence agencies were SUPPOSED to be doing in the first place. This office was a long time being planned. Someone was just waiting for the opportunity to create this new brainchild of a dollar sucker and constitution ripper all rolled into one new department. I very much doubt it was created in those harrowing 13 hours on September 11th. No way. If the American people cannot see that their freedom is being slowly ripped off, I guess they deserve it.

The Manhattan Massacre & The Missile of the Month Club

And then to look upon the already huge, but growing body of people that are demanding better, more truthful questions to many of the very reasonable doubts they have about that days official government story of 911. You know, we could pen a new saying here; 'You know how you can tell when the FBI and the CIA are lying and obstructing justice?' The answer would be; When another building blows up. All of their lies from Oklahoma City were barely settling into the dust, then this...And now America will wage a protracted war against the world, forcing many nations to sign up for the 'Missile of the Month' club. Such is life under King :evil: George, and sadly, I voted for him.

pj

[upuaut8]

I am not placing my opinion upon landmines. I'm only placing the light of Hypocracy upon the nature of the situation.

[Phil Jayhan]

International Cour pénale


They rejected the new internation Cour pénale, created to judge war crimes and genocides. In 1998, the Clinton administration gave its support to the creation of this Court. But when it received in Rome the approbation of 102 countries, the US were one of the 7 countries to vote against, next to Israël, Libya, Irak, China, Qatar and Soudan. Mr Scheffer explained that this was because the "Court endangers those who enforce peace and international security. All the others need it, but not the US.

Pom,
Again while we probably see eye to eye on most things, I would ask you to simply look at some of these issues you are bringing up from another viewpoint; This is another treaty that simply put, is not good for the USA. Our biggest, and quite legitimate concern was American Presidents being caught up in a World Court type situation for something like Afghanistan, if the court said so. Sticky situation; National soveriegnty forces us all to do things that are in our own best interests, and oft-times these conflict with what is best for all nations. And remember, internally, America had 8 years of Clinton, and in every instance of treaty signing Billy Boy gave up the store because he was so narcisistically incessant about searching for his 'legacy.' Many of these treaties needed to be scrapped by a President a little more willing to stand up for American values. And on another level, we (America) sure should have our feet held to the fire. We have massacres on our hands; The Korean Massacre of 53, Mai Lei in 68, the Phillipine Massacre of 1898, and many more I am sure I don't know of or don't have room to post. So, maybe your right and maybe I am on this issue; But one thing is for sure, there needs to be some kind of check and balance for Americas power, or the whole world will fall under its domination. Not a good thing.


We know that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely......

pj
:cool:

[Phil Jayhan]

Uppy,
Remember that it was not the United States that ever started that treaty about the land mines. That was started by princess Dianna and Elton John. Seriously, it all started with them. The United States never gave any kind of support for this treaty, but I don't disagree with your contention that America is full of hypocrisy ad nauseum. Fill it to the brim for America!Doh!

pj

[upuaut8]

A) Both Clinton member made a point of it as well.

B) I never said who's hypocracy was showing.

As for you're belief that something like the Cour is not good for our boys... well you're entited to you're opinion; it is my feeling that what is good enough to preace is good enough to follow.

[Phil Jayhan]

Your right. Both Clintons did, as a matter of fact, petition for it. Agreed. And I agreed with you about the hypocracy thing. And the last thing I agreed with you as well, that maybe it is good for us to be under Cour and perhaps not. I just said I didn't like the idea and it is because I don't believe in ever surrendering autonomy and soveriegnty, for any reason, under any circumstance. We would have less than our current constitution and what we presently have is simply not enough. Thats my reasoning.

pj
I agreed to just about everything you said, so whats the beef?? ;)

[ilyaslamasse]

Man ! You post more than I do. Anyway, no translation for tonight. The boy needs some sleep...
pom 0]

This becoming the longest thread ever, isn't it ?

[upuaut8]

You know phil.. I wasn't in agreement with you on that issue last night, but I think that I needed sleep.

Now I'm torn. I believe in checks and balances, but just as I fear that America often imposes it's morality (for lack of a better term) upon other nations of the world, so too can other nations impose their will upon us, if we open the doors of precident to such activity. I do not think that I was thinking about that last night.

[Phil Jayhan]

Uppy-

General
Thats an issue that has bothered me forever. I have never understod that, how a people become a soveriegn country, have freedom and liberty and self determination and then, want to throw it all way for 'only a promise of something better.' No substance, only shadows & empty promises. It doesn't make sense. I already work (slave unwillingly) for this government for 5 months a year. And this isn't enough for this 'wonderful' government. Now King George wants me to also serve 2000 hours of community service before I die. F*ck King George! He hasn't worked a single day of his life in community service but he wants ALL Americans to 'volunteer' another 2000 hours. Hyprocritical plutocrat! I'll make you a promise. When I see all the congressman and Senators and Administration officials spending 2000 hours, their weekends and evenings, then, and only then, wil I even consider such an affront in a 'free society.' And the fact that I already work 5 solid months for this government, unwillingly I might add, I am unwilling to spend another f*cking day working for them. In other words, I don't give a @#%$ how important something is, I am unwilling to spend so much as another minute in slavery. Which means I oppose all spending increases for whatever reason. Don't even give me the details. If this government wants to expand any further, and it is obvious it does, I oppose it unequivocably, without reservation of any kind.

The Cour
In my opinion America has the best system of Justice in the World, yet it is a broken down, corrupted institution that no longer is in pursuit of protecting the little guy from corrupt government. It is a system that is worthless and tyrannical. I would not trust myself to it nor expect justice from it. I know better. Those things are a thing of the past. Now bring in the Cour. Do you really think it won't become, or even start out as a more corrupt court system than the one we presently have? I haven't a doubt in my mind it would. And the moment you accept that there is another court ABOVE the US Supreme court, it whittles down the sovereignty of the nation and of its courts. It would not take long for the world to exact revenge upon America, and it will do so using such a court.

Refuge
Refuge from tyrannical oppressive governments is possible today with 226 different nations. But..make all these nations into 'one system, one nation' and the possibility of seeking refuge by crossing a border becomes a thing of the past. There will be no refuge once this new world order, acting as a world government, becomes oppressive. And it won't take long either. Think about this; Once a world government is in place, kiss the Statue of Liberty goodbye. Her message will have become worthless as America will no longer be a place these little people can come to to escape brutal oppressive regimes. They will be hunted and tracked down here as well. This is the biggest problem I think with John Lennons world without borders. It will happen. And when it does there is no place to escape to and seek refuge as there is today.

These are definately difficult issues, yet simple to understand. My advice would be; Don't EVER trust the government, any government, under any circumstance. They have proven they do not deserve this trust. It is misplaced and abused. Period. Government is a necessary evil. Nothing more. And because governments are run by man, they will never outgrow the truth listed above. Whats you thoughts Uppy?

pj
:cool:

[Phil Jayhan]

Ilyas-
Your always tired nowadays...This is becoming a pretty fun thread don't you think? We could use some more French posts though. When are you going to put some more stuff up and when are going to come and chat about it? I know, your busy, yada, yada...

When is your report due by the way?

Dont be a stranger, stranger....

Where Jubbanaut? We didn't get to serious for him did we? Doh! He just vanished.

pj
:cool:

[upuaut8]

I have to agree with everything you just posted.

I'd have more to say about that, but I'm still digesting this thread as a whole.. I'm rereading your earlier posts.

[Phil Jayhan]

Uppy-
Thanks for your interest, as you can tell this is a subject that has piqued my interest as well, for my entire life. This is also one of the reasons I joke around so much about the World Dictator thang. But in interest of the subject, do, by all means digest this stuff and get to postin yungin. I wish everyone would be so interested in this subject. But then again I wish that all the girls at drive through windows were bare breasted and handing out 100 dollar bills with each food order. Is that wrong? :rollin:

Phils Prophecy
The only reason I am writing this is because I think the time is near. Someday soon, America will awaken and be missing a city along with it's inhabitants, and Im not sure which one, but think it will be New York again.
And I believe that there are such fractures and abuses of power, that I am not convinced elements of our own government wouldn't do such a thing in an attempt to take even more power through martial law. In other words, I already suspect America will get nuked, but think it might come from our own side in a 'Reichstagg Fire' operation. How could I believe such a thing? See below.


We know that power corrupts....And that absolute power corrupts absolutely

pj
who would settle for the position of Vice Dictator. Thats like the vice president, I don't want to be president of vice.. ar ar

[Phil Jayhan]

Ilyas,
First off pal, I don't post more than you; Thats an arrogant French attitude!
Proof: Ilyas Posts 1025
Phils Posts 847
Daves Posts 2492 Hes the guy you should be raggin on, Mr French.

French History Lessons Misseur??
I was thinking that it would be profitable for you to teach us a little about French history as this is a subject I am lacking in. I have more infinity to know about Englands history for obvious reasons. But when was France a Superpower as we say? What years? How long? I know the French concentrated more on Africa and the Far East than did other Superpowers. I think it was more due to timing and what was left of the cake at that time, don't you? Did France ever rule alone as a supreme superpower as America is now? Was France ever a Superpower twice? Ya know, lose top dog position to England or Spain then regain it 40 years later...Do you think one of the problems of the Fench attitudes against America is because of jealousy? The US having and enjoying the position the French used to? I know some of it is due to our arrogant posture, but werk with me here Ilyas. What is the name of the French Intelligence. (And do not tell me it is Inspector Clusseu Ltd.) But also post more of your report and make some time to comment on it. It will be good to learn this from a phrenchie...

Wheres JubbaRama? ? ?

pj
the prolific one... but not so prolific as Dave & Ilyas

[upuaut8]

12K Global posts. :)

I finally know why I put up with you Phil, ;)

you're just another one of my personalities.. you're doing a better job than Upuaut would have.. of course he's pretty scatterbrained.

Now post more damb it!!!


(F%*&ing Americans....)

[upuaut8]

I think that you should include the name of who you're quoting when you do Phil, there were a couple times when it was hard to tell.

As for the land mine issue, I think you're wrong, if that opinion is yours.

A) just because we have a better toy is no reason to rescind on something that WE, ie the general American public, pester others about.

Ultimately WE are in control, even if the government thinks that it's military could win against the populous of the Americas.

and

B) We have the toys currently to curtail any single country in the world, land mines are not going to help us in any way.

Hell, just having all the nukes we need, coupled with an Economy that keeps the rest of the world running is enough to curtail almost any real threat against us.

As far as war goes, land mines are both unnecessary and far more brutal than we need to be. Perhaps you're correct that War means that we are sanctioned by some metaphoric principal, to murder at our leisure. The fact that we are advanced at all MUST temper our killing to the most humane methods necessarily appropriate to ensure safety, nothing more nothing less. If not, what exactly is the point of advancing civilization at all?

[Phil Jayhan]

Dave,
So, thats it hunh? You see you in me? Thats pretty filail of you. What comments do you have about the American Republic at this point in time, Oh master of the Goatee? Come on now number 1, engage...

pj