Throw Stones at Jubba!! Do your worst!!

[I am not Jubba]

Yes, I know there is a forum specified for this, but I am posting it here, because I really only want the opinions of the people that view this forum. For some reason, it seems as though the newbies (to Kirupa's forums) stay away from the Random forum. They must be anti-social.

Anywho- Click here (http://www10.brinkster.com/jubbaorf/requiem/flashtest/test.html)

Let me give you a little background. The grey part is going to be an image that the owner is creating and a different one will be loaded in with each new section that is loaded. There is no music yet, but the Equilizer is going, just to see the animation. You can turn that on and off. He really wanted a hidden menu, and that thing at the top is going to be it, but I haven't created the buttons yet. The brown box on the left is going to be the text box. I still have to make a scroll bar. Tell me what you think, I'm curious. This is pretty much what the owner told me he wanted...

Any ideas to improve on what I already have? I'm open for suggestions.


[I added another SWF. The second one has a different equilizer. I dont' like the white things, but Do you like the back of the equilizer better? with the lines and such?]

[ilyaslamasse]

I like it. The hidden menu comes out a little bit easily, but other than that (and the colors, which, to be honnest, I don't adore (but I don't dislike either)) it's cool. Wait and see.

pom 0]

[I am not Jubba]

what exactly do you mean that it comes out a bit easily? do you think it should come out slower?

[Phil Jayhan]

Jubba-
I like the menu-looks fine with spped as far as im concerned. I agree w/Pom about the colors though-the grey grey and blue grey were much better-but I don't abhor it either, the colors. Web is looking nice!\

pj
:p
Oh ya, you wanted me to ctritique 'you'
ok, your an upside down person! :lol: jk

[I am not Jubba]

Thanks. Hopefully once he gets those images it will start to look better and I'll be able to create the different sections. He really wanted those colors so those are what i have to go with...

[ilyaslamasse]

I meant that if you get close to the menu, it will come out, it you roll over it will come out, it you move past the menu, it will remain out. That's what I mean.

And about criticizing you, I'd say that you don't like French people, which, in itself, is a big flaw. Sorry to have to be so frank. :p

pom 0]

[I am not Jubba]

I see. Thanks for the input. I'll come up with some smart remarks about your "critiques" later. I'm off to pay a visit to a few ex-g/fs...wish me luck...

[Phil Jayhan]

I like the phrench people! Theres two! You and Eyezberg! :lol:

pj
:p
the tongue hanging out is my new trademark.dont infringe pal! I already lost my little sherlock mask fella to upside down boy...

[ilyaslamasse]

Hey Phil, how about a little game ?

www.hypraspeed.com/ (http://www.hypraspeed.com/)

pom 0]

[Phil Jayhan]

Pom-
I spent about 20 minutes at that site twirling around in endless circles and bumbing onto stuff. What a blast! :rollin:

I loved it! How long do you think it would take to make something like that anyways?
pj
:p

[ilyaslamasse]

Dunno... I've met the guy who did that, and he was actually selling his multiplayer thing. Hey, I'm going there too, meet me and I'll kick your *** !!

pom 0]

[Phil Jayhan]

Pom-
Wanna read something funny as heck-go to the Princess Bride and see my post I just left--this is a riot!

pj
:lol:
that game was a blast

[I am not Jubba]

www10.brinkster.com/jubba.../test.html (http://www10.brinkster.com/jubbaorf/requiem/flashtest/test.html)

check it out again, I changed some things, actually added an image to the background, and took out the equilizer...i decided to change directions on the sound side of things... let me know what you think!

[Phil Jayhan]

Don't stop hunh? Ok, Honestly, I do not like this. Don't hate it. but it is hard on my eyes. That orange and Red just blaze nad blare...It goes against what we are al taught in media classes about colors. This is something you need to talk to him about because those other colors, grey/grey blue/grey weren't hard on my eyes, They were appealing. Soft. It's kind of like going to an alien site, where it is an al black background with internet green print and stars in the bacground. I love what you have done with the imaging, it's great! Just way alot the wrong color. You don't want people to want to jump off your screen in order to give their eyes and brain a rest, you want them to stay and poke around. Remember the basics; Usability. Enjoyability. Too dark, kind of opressive. IMO. But YOU asked me to criticise-so there! :lol:

pj
:p

[I am not Jubba]

nt

[ilyaslamasse]

Mucho mucho better, Jubba. I don't agree with Phil, I kinda like the colors, and the design is really taking shape. Nice menu-fixing too. I like the footer, the background image, but first : WTH is the eagle doing here ? And that brown line going across the screen, I don't know, you should try and find something else.

But it's really taking shape.

pom 0]

[I am not Jubba]

The brown line will be something else. The eagle is the Logo for Requiem, and its the image that is on the first boards.

Jubba
:p

hahaha Phil! I stole this one too!!! j/k :lol:

[Phil Jayhan]

I have a great picture you can use and would look good blended into the orange morrass that Pommy likes. It is an american Flag with a Nazi symbol where the stars should be; Check it out, it will blend right in! :lol:

www.corpust.com (http://www.corpust.com)

pj
:)
Get that NetVac out!

[ilyaslamasse]

Creepy. :(

pom 0]

[I am not Jubba]

yeah that is a little sketchy Phil....

[Phil Jayhan]

Boy, I tell ya, it a tough crowd in here.

pj
:x

[ilyaslamasse]

:rollin: Fil

By the way, Jubba, what's up at the moment looks terrible. I really liked the provious one much much better.

pom 0]

[I am not Jubba]

whats up now? I can't see it because the daily bandwidth has been exceeded, and I can't log in. If it has a blue background, ignore that. I was trying to do a loadMovie for the background but for some dam reason I can't get it to work.

[ilyaslamasse]

Terrible purple, and no background, no logo...

pom 0]

[I am not Jubba]

yeah Brinkster won't let me log in right now...i dunno...i'll fix it soon, but the bandwidth is exceeded so I dunno...I'll change the file, but you won't be able to see it til midnight

[Phil Jayhan]

I'll be glad to sell you some bandwidth on a real server....

Doh!
pj
:p
Oh, I forgot to critique you. Ok, your not nearly as attractive as I am. Ha! Want another opinion? Your breath stinks too! :rollin:

Going to see how hideous the site looks now-thanks Pom for the update. ;)

[I am not Jubba]

I need a real server. But I'm broke, so I can't afford it. Not yet anyway...eventually...

[Phil Jayhan]

I couldn't view the hideousness, @#%$. Bandwidth has been exceeded. 12.95 a month for 2 Gigs? What a rip! Get ipowerweb Jubs. It's a great deal. 15 gigs of transfer, unlimited ftp (not bandwidth) shopping cart, email service setup, autoresponders, frontpage, mimes, SQL, webstats, forwarders, chatrooms, 7.95 a month! It's a great deal! Check out one of the ads on my page, (of course) and look at their offer. It is the best @#%$ offer I can find anywhere. And everything is so easy to set up, its been a pleasure.

pj
:p

[I am not Jubba]

I'm getting the 16.7 Mb per day for free and that gets run up fast. I wouldn't pay 12.95 for 2 Gb. I'll probly hook up with ipowerweb eventually but right now even 7.95 a month is too much...

[Phil Jayhan]

Nice werk! Even with the background that I don't care for. Good werk. I refreshed the site 167 times until it said that the daily bandwidth was exceeded. Sorry.

pj
:lol:

[ilyaslamasse]

I was wondering : how did you do that effect in the background ?? I like it very much.

pom 0]

[Phil Jayhan]

My moneys on photoshop, looks similar to my image from pivotal.

pj
:p

[ilyaslamasse]

OK, let me rephrase : how did you do it with Photoshop ?

pom 0]

[kitiara30]

Going against the general consensus here, I actually quite like the orange and red colour scheme. But then, I would - my problem is that I either go for a minimalist approach or completely technicolour.

By the way, have we established how you did that background pic? Whatever. I think it's cool.

[upuaut8]

Hey Jubba. Just to let you know.. Requiem is the title of a game from White Wolf studios I think. I have no clue if that's a copy right problem, but they do use the same font for the title of their game supliments as you're using for his logo. Like I said.. might not be a big deal at all, but it might also be worth checking into.... just in case.

I like the menu, the subtle animations in the background, and the loadtime. The colors only leave a little to be desired, and even at that, it's a matter of personal choice. They certainly wouldn't diswade me from visiting the site.

[I am not Jubba]

Upu: Thanks for the info on the copyright issues. I'll talk to the owner.

Pom: It was done using a filter. Under "Filter>Sketch>Torn Edges" and have the two colors selected. The colors we used were

993300 for the maroon color
B05900 for the orange color

and the images were just pictures taken from our local City hall. Its the best place in the city to skate but we get kicked out and ticketed if we do skate there.

And I have more of the thing done, so hopefully the bandwidth will allow people to view the page today. :) It will be uploaded shortly

[I am not Jubba]

Ok, I finally got that dam text to load in and the scroller to work, so the main page is pretty much doen. now I have to go thru and make all the individual sections, but here is what i have so far. It won't change at all thru the day so please, only view it once so I don't go over my bandwidth allowment...

www10.brinkster.com/jubba.../test.html (http://www10.brinkster.com/jubbaorf/requiem/flashtest/test.html)

:) :lol: ;)

[I am not Jubba]

and Upu, do you have a link or anything because I just checked the entire White Wolf website and I didn't find anything that had to do with Requiem....? I just wanted to see if they had any screenshots or anything like that...

and I checked some other video game sites for Requiem and the only one that came up was Requiem: Avenging Angel...Or was it some other type of game, like card game or RPG?

[upuaut8]

I'll find it, but I did remember that the font for Requiem is different than that. got my games mixed up. As long as the font is different, I wouldn't worry about it. I'll find the link anyway.

[ilyaslamasse]

Nice 2advanced like menu, Jubba.
And thanks for the PS tip.

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[Phil Jayhan]

Jubba-
Coming along nicely! I prefer the first image but this ones cool too! The sites growing on me, I like it better each time I see it. I like your menu, the scrollbar will be cool too. Just make sure people don't have to figure out how to find the menu, cause some might not find it. I also got a sandbox error, figured it had something to do w/brinkster. How many megs of space do they provide for a free site? Because I could place my index page all over the place for free, letting all to know to go to corpust.com after they get there.

Oh, and I accidently hit refresh 44 times until an error displayed saying something about bandwidth. Then the accident stopped. Weird, ya know! ;)

pj
:p

[I am not Jubba]

Upu: Thanks.

Pom: 2Advanced, and every other freakin flash site out there. If we don't draw inspiration from somewhere and then incorporate that inspiration into our own work, then what the hell is the inspiration there for?!

Phil: Uhmmmmm...I believe its 30 Mb of webspace, but no files larger than 1 Mb. I know www.angelfire.com has 20Mb of space with no limit on file size...oh, and "sandbox error"?

[Phil Jayhan]

*** Security Sandbox Violation ***
SecurityDomain 'www.angelfire.com/dc/vidg...mage3.swf' (http://www.angelfire.com/dc/vidgame/requiem/image3.swf') tried to access incompatible context 'www10.brinkster.com/jubba...nal23.swf' (http://www10.brinkster.com/jubbaorf/requiem/flashtest/Req_Final23.swf')

I got it everytime I clicked your link. Don't know what it means, but you better make sure no cats are in the sandbox, thats what it means to me. The scrolbar had nothing in it, and unscrollable-maybe your still building it @ 1:10 am chicago time, I dunno, but I don't wanna keep going back cause of your bandwidth thing.

pj
;)
I liked the first background image the best, FYI, IMO.

[I am not Jubba]

No I'm not building it. I'm still testing different scroll methods and the like. you are getting that sandbox error, becaues I am loading the background SWFs from my angelfire account, into my BRinkster account. Appearently they don't like it when you do that...oh well, too bad....

[RenaissanceGirl]

First off: hosting, I recommend your-site.com. I'm hosting 4 sites on my little account and it has never failed me. Right now the email system is crappy though, but that's the only draw and I think the your-site guys are working on it.

As for the site - the color scheme isn't too bad. I definitely like that the white logo and "Requiem" title stand out in white. I'm not sure about the location of that logo however - it almost appears to be falling off of the page. It's really hard to say much since there's not much there yet - no inter-section animations to see or content to read. Also the html part doesn't appear to be finished - I'm particularly interested in seeing how you handle blending this swf file with the HTML - will you do it successfuly or will you resolve in a pop-up. There's still a bit of unused space - I wonder what you will do with it. Everything's just speculation on this end - I think I'll have more to say as this project develops.

[I am not Jubba]

My primary interest was your speculation. The owner wants to use a chromeless pop up window, so that will be the answer to that question. And the positioning of the logo and everything else is still not set in stone. I'm sure everything will be move around at least a little bit before the final product is released.

[Phil Jayhan]

won't everyone who has pop up killer not be able to go to the site? or is that not true?

pj
:p

[liveacoustic]

Wow, Jubba. I haven't really been following your progress because I've been silently protesting your misuse of the Random board, but I've so far seen the first design you did yourself (not the HTML one) and then this newest one. HUGE progress. Great work. Looks very professional. All you need to do is stretch it out to ensure it fills the whole window. I can't remember the code for that, but I think Phil told me it, so he can probably tell you it if you don't know it.

[I am not Jubba]

Phil: Not as a "pop-up" pop-up, but as a chromeless window. So that won't be the same thing.

Live: I wondered why your opinion was not present. I apologize for misusing the Random board, however, it does say "Relax and talk about anything that you feel like talking about." :) And thanks for the support.

[Phil Jayhan]

Jubs-
Thats it buddy! You tell that great white northerner whassup...Random means random man! And for a second think about the irony of Live 'silently' protesting anything....It's not in his nature... :rollin:

pj
:p

[liveacoustic]

Hey, I found something I can insult, er, help Jubba with!

When you want to scroll down the text scrollers you have click again and again. You can't just hold on to it.

[I am not Jubba]

yeah i know it does that. I'm not done with the scroller yet. Now I am trying to get the owner to get me a text file so that I can determine the length of the text and get a scroll bar to work correctly.

[I am not Jubba]

hey...this thread was dying so I thought I would revive it. The owner has some videos that he wants to put into the site, and we are trying to get some different effects. Here's one (the kid on the video is 14! he's really good its scary)

<embed src="http://www10.brinkster.com/jubbaorf/requiem/flashtest/paulKickflip.swf" height=240 width=320></embed>

Flash MX is great for importing video, too bad I can't do it at 100% quality, it takes forever to load...

[I am not Jubba]

here's another one, i want to see how this one loads.

<embed src="http://www10.brinkster.com/jubbaorf/requiem/flashtest/paulKickflip2.swf" height=240 width=320></embed>

the only difference is this one has a preloading image. Its a photoshop distortion of one of the frames of the movie (like the pause) and it looks pretty neat. but people on faster machines with faster connections won't be able to see it. it only flashes real quick on my machine...maybe I should have two downloads...one for faster machines and one for slower machines...

[splinx]

Hey !Jubba,

My overall first impression is generally favorable and I like your color scheme. Not sure about legibility of text color. White or some lighter shade might be better. Device fonts help.

Couple more comments: I agree with RG on your logo - it's a good design, but your placement is ideosynchratic. One possibility would be to balance your very nice Requiem sig with the bird motif in your masthead, i.e. Requiem on the left, circular raptor logo to the right, possibly with a tagline of some kind in between. I see that the logo might not work quite as well at a smaller size so you might want to experiment with the sizing somewhere to see how well it works smaller. I believe it would also work quite well much larger as a b/g motif, perhaps on subsequent pages.

I'm not sure about your planned content, but to my eyes and strictly from a design standpoint, the text box busies up your otherwise clean design.

Another possibility with the circular bird motif would be to contrast it off rotation with the Requiem sig...

I just discovered your menu system, which was lurking unobviously between the horizontal bars. I was about to suggest getting rid of them altogether so as to free up space to work with your sig and logo in various combinations....so maybe some cue would be helpful for klutzed like me who don't automatically sweep the mouse pointer all over the place. Just a thought. When I first built my HTML web page, I made it kind of like a game which was a lot of fun but then I started getting feedback that users couldn't figure out what in the devil was up with that thang.

Also, from a purist design standpoint, I would not use your logo as a loading indicator - slightly cheesy imo. Graphics standards.

All in all, I think you're off to an excellent start with this ! Jubba and I'll try to check back with some more comments as time allows, which it often does not these days, but that's another story.

Best,
:cool:
sp

[I am not Jubba]

Text Color: Thats what the owner wants. I may be able to convince him otherwise, but I doubt it.

Placement of REQUIEM Logo: Will change. That is not a big concern of mine at this point.

Menu: As the site loads the Menu will be cued in. It will be blatantly obvious to all, so not to worry about that.

Logo as Loading Indicator: I completely agree. However, Owner does not. We are going to move that to the right to line up with the smaller logo and hopefully it will mesh correctly. if not, then its gettin scratched....


Thanks for the input. I won't have a chance to work on it til later this week, so nothing will change for a few days.

[I am not Jubba]

Yup yup yup, i'm back for more of your neverending criticism. I have the text that is up, the MEDIA and PRODUCTS buttons do a funky lil' animation thing, don't worry about that, you will understand what they are there for later once we get the pictures and videos in. Let me know what you think of the text...and other things. I changed a few subtle things...lets see if you all notice.

I am in the process of creating a scrollbar, and also changing the scroll buttons so you dont' have to keep clicking them.

Oh, and if you click the Video button under Media, another small Menu opens, dont' worry about htat cuz those buttons don't do nothin...(yet)

Click here for the stone throwing to resume.... (http://www10.brinkster.com/jubbaorf/requiem/flashtest/test.html)

[lobstars]

I hadn't been tuning in for a while Jeff. Now I've seen your recent efforts BOOM! I'm preety impressed :) Personally I love the colour schemes for the text and the whole lot. I think they all compliment each other very well.......

That's coming along nicely Jubba, keep it up!

[I am not Jubba]

The owner got his merchandise into our local skateshop. I guess some kids liked our stuff and called The Boardwalk and then they contacted Chip (the owner of REQUIEM) and set up a meeting, and after talking they decided to buy everything that he had left. 5 Boards, 11 tees, and about 100 stickers. He sent out a new board order yesterday and he's sending out 3 new t-shirt design soon, and hopefully they will be buying his stuff again

[Phil Jayhan]

Jubba-
Renn has graciously offerd to help with the design of my index and after telling her you had offered to make the title/menu I wanted to rope you to together and help with the rolling ball thang. Freedom is the word here, along with this consideration to be taken by both of you, which if you both thiink otherwise, I will follow the lead. I already have 280 backpages, in sub directories. Those pages have the brown pattern gif as B/G with the light/beige text area and 006699 as the text color. If AT ALL possible, I would prefer not changing all of those pages and would like what gets done to somehow just make those look natural and blend in, but will bend to what I think better designers might think. Just a thawt. But again freedom for the sake of a better page! Excercise it.

pj
http://www.corpust.com/joker.gif
BTW, I should have a little space set up for you sometime over the weekend with a subdomain to help you temporarliy with your bandwidth issues. I'll let you know when it gets created. There is a charge of 10 bucks though and I am not sure when, after making the sub-domain it will be processed, as I have to do it with a credit card. Might not be usable till monday or tuesday if all goes well. Maybe sooner. But I will let you know. I will also make sure you both get credits and advertisment on the index page, per Renns humble request, as well as many others, and in 'about corpus t'. And also a few other things I am mulling over as incentives/thank yous for your helps. You both will have to make a few flash banners for me to pick from to spider through the site. And if we all work together we can create a purchase page for both of your services, as I have shopping carts available for secure shopping. So people will, if we set it up, be able to purchase web design or other services and pay right there. Kind of neat!