Footer Crackdown!

[lostinbeta]

Alright people!

It seems the mods have now agreed that it is time to start cracking down on footers. We were lenient before and allowed people to exceed file size and dimensions of footers.

We are now going to start being more strict on that kind of thing. Larger file sizes cause the site to load extremely slow on dial-ups and sometimes even broadband depending how many of those people post in one thread.

Also the oversized dimesions take up way too much space on smaller monitors. YES PEOPLE STILL USE 800x600!!!!! (Over 50% of web viewers actually, just in case someone wanted to bring that up).

We aren't trying to be mean or unfair or anything like that. We are actually trying to be more fair to people accessing this forum.

The requirements for footers are as follow...


<B>Dimensions:</B> 300x60 or less
<B>File Size:</B> 15Kb or less (including all/any external files being loaded in)
<B>Text in Footers:</B> 2 lines of text are allowed below or above footers. If your footer is all text, 6 lines are allowed.


To show you that this rule applies to everyone you will notice my footer has changed (as well as avatar for matching purposes). This is because my footer didn't meet the file size requirement. Mods are not an exception to this rule.


Oh yeah, and be sure not to be processor intensive in your footer as well...

Originally Posted by David
There is another matter that I have been raising for a while, but which is a difficult thing to judge. I'd like people to take it into consideration when making footers.

If you have a Flash footer, you obviously can have a number of movie clips working off of mathmatics to produce movement (like mine below), or even a large number of tweens (or tweens with alpha levels of less than 100%). If You have 20 or so footers with 20 or so movie clips all moving at one time, it tends to bog down slower processors.
I don't really want to state that there is a requirement for how many mc's you can move around, but instead it will be on a case by case basis. If we get too many complaints about a footer's processsor slow down, then you will be asked to change the footer.

Things to keep in mind. The top bogs on processor power.
1) objects with an alpha of less than 100% moving over other objects.
2) raster images broken apart, and moving.
3) complex vector images (something with say 200 points and 400 lines)
4) constantly updating text fields.

[Kitiara]

Eilsoe, how big is the .swf for my footer? I'll change it to a gif format if it's too big, I'm loathe to lose the cyborg. :)

[Alex]

i will change my footer when i get home from school. in 2 hours=)

[RenaissanceGirl]

Thank GOD and it's about time!

Maybe I'll be able to enable footers again...

[Alex]

lost- what happens if some one doesnt follow the new rules. just wondering, because if it ever comes down to that.

(im changing mine when i get home, to be be exactly to code.)




=)

[thoriphes]

how bout the ones that take all your cpu time? i say restrict those as well.

[Marz]

Yeah.. David suggested that in the old forums post as well.. And it's true..

Alot of your footers don't have to be moving around with 10+ movieclips all over the place.

15 posts per page at a 10mc's per post..

That's 150 movieclips... And personally.. That would slow up anyone's fps to around 10.

[reverendflash]

I am personally in favor of a 3 MC limit...

but that is My Opinion only...

Revhttp://www.aulman.com/rev.gif

[Marz]

It should just be done on a visualization type bit.. If you see something that bogs down your computer.. Tell someone and you guys can have em fix it then.

[reverendflash]

that is what was decided, if we had a Secret Council, that is...

Revhttp://www.aulman.com/rev.gif

[Marz]

I'm not even a mod and somehow I knew wtf was going on...

Whhheeeee...

*goes and takes a phychic test*..

waits for it...
waits for it...
waits for it...

Negative..

****.. :(

[lostinbeta]

Originally posted by Alex
lost- what happens if some one doesnt follow the new rules. just wondering, because if it ever comes down to that.

(im changing mine when i get home, to be be exactly to code.)




=)

They will be notified to change their footer to fit the requirements of course. What happens if they choose not to comply will be up to the mods.

And Thoriphes: I updated this thread with the processor intensive thing David stated in the old thread. I forgot to copy that over. My fault :)

[andr.in]

umm... what about if I load movies randomly. Like I have 3 movies which I load into my movie randomly but one at a time! So you see only one of them.... :-\ The loaded movie individually doesn't cross the 15kb line but all together let's say it's 20kb... :-\
What about that?

[lostinbeta]

As long as all the files loading into the file itself are less than 15K you are fine.

[subquark]

ha! i'll never change my footer! it takes forever to load but it's worth it! 15K, no way, not even close to it . . .

[telekinesis]

Mine is 12K and 305 x 65 because of the borders. I disagree with the movie clip limit, mine is all animations and no script so I need to use a lot of movie clips. I'm not making a new footer, period, I don't have enough time. If you don't like my footer then too bad!

:evil:

[mlk]

well maybe one day we'll make a footer battle... i think lost is right to do that - and someone talked about loading text files from another location that was cpu intensive ? does that mean if i have se sort of random quote drawn from my website it will be cpu intensive? or is it just the ones that are constantly loading text?

[reverendflash]

One of the main problems is that it ties up bandwidth. So, if 10 people has dynamic content in their footers, and each one replies 3 times to a thread... you can see how it will bog down someone on dial-up... Plus, it is just not necessary.

Revhttp://www.aulman.com/rev.gif

[Alex]

hey rev,

nice footer, looks good=)

[reverendflash]

thanks.

I tried to make something that only animated if rolled over. That way, if I have posted 25 times in a thread, your CPU is not running all of the animations all of the time. Plus,
by david: after you see the footer 4 times, it becomes boring anyway

Revhttp://www.aulman.com/rev.gif

[Sraet]

Well got my new monitor so I can see things again and saw this post when looking on the battle board for the animation battle winners (which no one it seems bothered to even finish! Gah!) anywho, while its an incomplete footer, I've not finished the beach yet since it eases on two axis, I wanted to get the OK to use it or not. Its 300x60 and only 8k in size but the coulds/waves are animated no matter what.. mebbe I could do the lil rollover thingy that the Revrened is doing if this one isnt acceptable.. Let me know.

[lostinbeta]

Dan: Honestly 5px is hardly recognizeable. And your footer is only 5px over because of the glitch in Flash with imported images. You have those 5px be transparent (in IE) anyway! Frankly I don't think 5px is something to be worried about, it is within file size and does not cause any lag on my computer (which says alot for my comp running off of 96MB Ram :P)

Sraet: I don't see a problem with your footer.

[telekinesis]

I love it lost, you are sporting the thrill footer with the matching avatar!

Fa Shiz. . . .nevermind ;)

[lostinbeta]

:beam: Thanks Dan. I still haven't flasherized my footer yet. I have to narrow down a few ideas first, then get the motivation. Fits me well though :P

[Sraet]

Make the lil blocks hop up when I pass my mouse over em, turn and change colour, then hop back into place... Or Else!!! or something :)

[Kitiara]

Would someone please tell me if my footer exceeds the 15K limit? We aren't sure... I've made a gif version in case that's only 11K. :)

[upuaut]

I'll take a look when I get home Kit.

Sraet ~ I love the footer. Very smooth.

[Kitiara]

Well, we've changed it to a gif now, and that's only 11K. Didn't want to have to ban myself for stepping over the lines, you know. :)

The swf was almost 80K, which was a tad over. Eilsoe has kindly sent me a copy of it though, in case it can make a re-emergance at some point. I love that footer, I really do. :)

[mariofan]

my footer is under 15k but it has a lot of symbols moving - is this ok, does it need changing? ...dont want to get in touble!:-\

mariofan

[lostinbeta]

Its good.

[subquark]

mariofan!! your footer is the best! i likes it!

[mariofan]

Thanks alot subqwark, as you can tell, im a big mariofan http://homepage.ntlworld.com/matt.kenyon/mariosmily.gif

oh, and i waited to see what your footer loaded.......

mariofan

[RenaissanceGirl]

I love this thing ->http://homepage.ntlworld.com/matt.kenyon/mariosmily.gif

[mariofan]

thanks alot renaissance!! i just NEEDED a mario smilie to really personalise my posts - im glad you like it!!!

hey, your a mod - if you want you can add it to the smilies so everyone can use it!

thanks again for this, and for site of the week!!!

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/matt.kenyon/mariosmily.gif mariofan

[RenaissanceGirl]

I'm not the one who applies all the new smilies... at least if I could, I don't know how to. That's all up to the K-man.

Wouldn't it be fun if everyone's footer HAD to be a smiley. With that size constraint, it would be interesting to see how creative people can be!

[mariofan]

and there would be no reason for this footer crackdown !

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/matt.kenyon/mariosmily.gif mariofan

[upuaut]

For the record, I'm viewing this thread on a PI with 96 megs of RAM and less than 200 megs of virtual RAM, and I'm experiencing no slow down from the processor. (I also have it set to view the maximum number of posts per page. I think it's 40.)

I'd say that at least us mods are well within the limits of reasonable processor usage.

and Dan.. I'll stress again here.. 5 pixels squared is nooooo problem to be off by. I don't even think that we'd bust on a non-mod for that tiny an amount. The rule is really just to keep the length (up down) of the page to a minimum and is supposed to prevent people from having 100 pixel tall footers. (and obviously to prevent someone from producing a thread that scrolls side to side due to too long a footer.) I don't think that anyone is going to have a problem with the footer you've designed.

[lostinbeta]

LOL, I am running off 96megs of ram as well, and I am experiencing no lag at all.

[telekinesis]

I agree, sorry if my PM sounded a little well, ummm. . . .harsh! But work was going slow and it wasn't a good week all together. No big deal though, I'm sure your used to me being an ***hole!

:tie:

[upuaut]

np Dan.. I've had my moments too. Just wanted to make sure that you were ok, and that you didn't think I was ragging on you, cause I wasn't. :)

be well man.. and if you need anything, just write.

[Makaveli]

footers you say......too bad i don't have one!! i have footers disabled for faster browsing.....i was gonna put this as my quote in the sig....but decided against it.....


If at first you don't succeed, avoid skydiving.

good tips like these are hard to come by! why should i share it with you all??

bah!

Doh! forget everything i just said :(

[Marz]

Look at mine.. *shocker*..

No footer... Why? Cause I don't need one.. Why? Cause I don't want one.. Why? Cause it's unnecesary and takes up space :)

Mine is just text that says.. Okay this was Marz that posted this.... The avatar change was just because I got tired of the snowman.. hehe

And so I could find my post easily :)

[upuaut]

I usually have footers turned off as well mak. Speeds things up a lot. Especially when you come across a footer hosted by a server that's down.

[Makaveli]

here is another tip

Remember not to forget that which you do not need to know
and for those chronic liars out there (including me)

If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything

and yes, disabling footers did wonders......i don't wait 10 minutes for 1 page to load so i can read 4 word posts and spam......

sorta like this but with less writing

[morse]

Wow hey check out this quick reply box!

[Makaveli]

yea morse, there are like 2 threads about it......one is called

Re: Quick Reply

POST IN IT!!! BWhAHAH, obliterate the other poster thread regarding quick reply

in Re: Quick Reply i threaten Kirupa and stuff...more action

[morse]

hehe this box is phun phun! Oy! here is a good question. Why cannot I have JS in my phooter?

[lostinbeta]

Probably because JS can be used in many bad ways as well, the perhaps it is disabled for footers. What would you need with JS in a footer anyway?

[kode]

Mods are not an exception to this rule.
please don't take it personally ..

reverendflash footer: 20kb
phil jayhan footer: 35kb

:sigh:

[kode]

three mods online and anyone replies to this? is that what you call mods are not an exception? :-\

[kode]

like i said phil :)

please don't take it personally ..
but thanks for replying to this ;)

[kode]

hey .. phil =)

i still owe you that mexican tour :)

just wanted to let you know that i haven't forgotten ;)

[kode]

like i said .. i have no sisters :P

but i have a cousin .. you might be interested ;)


are you coming or what?

[kode]

:P

let me see if i can get some of her pictures .. in the meantime :)

have a sweet dream ;)

[kode]

nope .. it's mañana :P ;)

see ya phil =)

[kode]

and then i wonder why you have 5185 post :P :P

said like pedro infante you don't even know him :P -- mañana será otro día ;)

[Marz]

Adios mis amigos.. hasta luego y bueno dormir..

;)

[kode]

oh .. playa !! you impress me =)

do you know what playa means in spanish?

[kode]

oh .. browsing through my temp files this is what i found:

jubbaSig01: 31kb
jubbaSig02: 29kb
jubbaSig03: 24kb

:P


seriously guys .. :(

[Alex]

that might just be when you view a post and he has mulitple posting in there, then they add up. im not sure though:alien:

[reverendflash]

kax:

Who appointed you footer police?

Is someone busting you about footer size? Is a mod busting someone because their footer is too large in file size?

Just relax. If this is your biggest worry, get out more often.

Revhttp://www.aulman.com/rev.gif

[reverendflash]

oh, and BTW - my footer is 14k...

You can't always trust Netscape's size... I've seen it change several times on the same file...

Revhttp://www.aulman.com/rev.gif

[Jubba]

yeah, and I no longer have my footer up. I took it down recently when I realized that my files were too big. I have had my current footer up for about a week or so I believe. I also have footers turned off on the forum so browsing is faster...

[kode]

rev:

no. that's not my biggest worry :sigh:
i was searching for a stupid cookie and i was just curious... that's all.

but i do think that if you guys have a sticky in the 50% of the forum sections, at least you should give us a good example ;)

and i apologize for the inconvenience.

[reverendflash]

Is anyone's footer bothering you?

why do you feel it is your responsibility to stand up for everyone?

I am offended at the assumption we live by a diff rule than the rest.

Revhttp://www.aulman.com/rev.gif

[andr.in]

My current pic is 14.9kb! :P

[mlk]

hehe my footer is 11k. and i've got sound ;-) !

[TOOL]

hahaha i never knew you had sound, thats cool :)

wow new smiley...:alien: me likes

[comicGeek]

I have juast read this entire thread I was really amused by all the reactions. I have to agree with RenGirl. I think that to make a footer revolving around a smiley would squeeze out the creative part in all of us and that would be a great thing. Sure we can do a lot of actionscripting and animation and we're good at it too, but it's really in our creativity where we are determined great.....



PS. Don't mind I'm just drunk.... :P

[TOOL]

Originally posted by comicGeek - "Sure we can do a lot of actionscripting and animation and we're good at it too, but it's really in our creativity where we are determined great...."

I don't know how to do the quotes with italics etc...I'm not good at actionscript or animation :*( but i have this picture in my mind of a really great footer...*recently inspired by fav band and their vids* =) just gotta work out how to get it all done and looking :A+: blah im rambling...ill shutup now

[Marcellinus]

Just wondering if my footer is ok..its 7kb so size wise it should be fine.

TIA
Marcellinus :toad:

[Soul]

It looks nice :beam:

- Soul :s:

[Soul]

I made that smily tool!! :beam:

:alien:

- Soul :s:

[Marcellinus]

Thx Soul! Glad you like it, lol.

[mlk]

mmmh wasnt this a sticky ????

[Alex]

a mod must of unstickied it.:P

[Clown Staples]

here's an idea... if CPU ever turns out to be a serious issue, you could require that the footer only animates onMouseOver, that way no matter how many are on the page, only one runs at a time.
Of course, if it was ever a serious issue, people could just start browsing with footers turned off......

[lostinbeta]

clownstaples: Well footers are a part of what makes this forum interesting, so making people turn them off because people want to go overboard is kind of lame. And true that we could do animation on rollOver, Rev does that in many of his footers, but to require that it only animates on rollOver may be a bit overboard depending on the animation.

Either way, the rules have been decided, and thats that.

[Darkblue006]

cryes and ya and ya.. and again.. and umm... hmm I forgot how bit it is... umm nm it's biger than that... umm on acedent no realy it's only 200k.. snckers.. yes only 200.. hmm you sould take a look at it some time I have it on my web page.. though it's not exactly just a footer.



at this rate all I will be able to put in is my small stuff like this grass.. :'(


width="260" wmode="transparent" menu="false" height="40"

[restlessdesign]

Urgh. I do not agree with this but it's your servers so whatever. My banner was a 16-color GIF and fit within the post area at 500px. Simply cutting off 200px didn't change the filesize at all...whatever, I changed it.

[wizard]

Wow, look at those members that used to post here...

[Templarian]

Urgh. I do not agree with this but it's your servers so whatever. My banner was a 16-color GIF and fit within the post area at 500px. Simply cutting off 200px didn't change the filesize at all...whatever, I changed it. Just make it animated and have it slowly scroll to the left and then back to the right.


wizard you really like transformers this is worse than my friend when i linked him to the site and he said hes been waiting for like a year (probably figurtive).

[Pasquale]

LOL way to revive a 04-29-2004, 02:21 AM post :)

hehe Man I wish all the old k forum members would come back.

*edit - havent seen lostinbeta around for aaages

[comicGeek]

comicGeek present here.

Sensei Lost is busy with work i guess but you can still reach him through his blog http://www.lostinbeta.com/

[patambrosio]

i converted my footer from .jpg to .png.. 6kb. good enough.

[garyzero]

lets bring back the jiggly ***** girl avatar and footer!! ;)

[t0mm0]

didn't this used to be in the test forum?

[upuaut]

smh

shame on whomever reanimated this thread. :P

[hybrid101]

wait a sec, i thought this was sticked:puzzled:

[ANEWIDEACo]

What no flash footers anymore?

[Pasquale]

Holy revival batgirl!

[Phenex]

What no flash footers anymore?

Good morning sunshine! :lol:

[ANEWIDEACo]

Good morning sunshine! :lol:

Been awhile since I've been on the forums... sucks.

May I ask why?

[mlk]

an XSS exploit from flash (http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/X/XSS.html) if I remember correctly.

[Phenex]

Yea... Give us Flash and we all turn into nasty lil' h4x0rz!!!!11 :lol: