Yet again

[j_polo9]

my client didn't like this design www.muldavinchiro.com/defaultOld.asp (http://www.muldavinchiro.com/defaultOld.asp)
so i made a new one...
http://www.muldavinchiro.com/chiro_740.gif

What are your thoughts on the colors and fonts? and anything else.

[icio]

i prefered the old one. i don't like the colours and it's a bit too plain.
One other thing i didn't like was that it says, "Click for appointment" - maybe it's just a personal preference but i think it's better to say something like "Make an Appointment" or something like that.

[Ryall]

yeah I dont like this one at all... I'm not trying to be harsh, but seriously I dont like anything about this page - colors, fonts, images, etc. It just looks very average/amature youre other one was better... why not use a variation of it? Dont make something totally completely different if what you had looked good, but the client wasnt into it. Just tweak it, make a few changes through in a few things that you know he/she/they'll like.

Peace

[j_polo9]

thanks i agree completely! i like the old one. But the client wants colors and text that will pop out at you. And they want to incorperate teal as their main color.

Ryall any sugguestions on colors, and fonts? (Teal has to be a priority) The image will probably rotate between a few images, i don't think i am going to give them my flash video though.

Or any ideas on how i can modify the old version to modify those requirements? Basically he said the main thing he didn't like was the colors. I think he wants it to look more like a mail delivery add than a web site, he wants it so that you don't have to read the site that you can just look at it and imediately trust the chiropractor, like looking at a soda can.

BTW here are all the previous versions: www.muldavinchiro.com (http://www.muldavinchiro.com)

[Ryall]

Well if teal must be used... one way to get around using a (not so great) required color (at least I do this sometimes) is to make a monochormatic colored site. Even with colors like orange a mono site can look good just on color. Plus mono schemes tend to be claming and easy on the eyes (going torwards that whole, 'look at it and trust' thing your client wants).

Regrading the trust issue... you want to stay away from things that 'jump' or 'pop' too much. You dont want it to look like a 'On Sale' add, cuz this obviously gives a feeling that he is trying to sell his clients something, instead of just providing a service. Mention that to him when he says he wants text that 'pops out at you' ;)

As far as the text is concerned... I think you;ve got it with your header elements, Times style font faces tend to give a professional feel, while serifs for body allow easy reading and better scaling. One thing you've done that tends to 'deaden' a layout is symetry. Right now you have your text centered in your text area, that makes the neg space inactive and makes for very bland viewing.[Notice how the two elements on the page that jump out at you the most are the firms name and 'Welcome', now notice that they are the only elements not centered! ;) ] Working with your spacing and arrangement alone (w/out changing colors, fonts, sizes) will help you give it more of a 'pop out' feel without going to gawdy 'On Sale' gimmics ;) :P

Make menu and header elements the most eyegrabing... that helps guide the users eye, helping with that 'pop' feel. It also allows you to keep the rest of the site very steril looking which is good for a professional site.

Those are some initial thoughts... post what you come up with!! :thumb:

Peace

[j_polo9]

Ryall thanks so much for your comments! I mostly monocromed the site, tried to offset the alignment of the fonts and used MS Seriff for the first section of the text. I had to move MS Seriff over from my computer's fonts to the Adobe Fonts folder but now i can't make any of the seriff font bold, any sugguestions?
http://www.muldavinchiro.com/chiro_741.gif

And yea i tried explaining to the client 3 times that add looking layouts are o.k. for more portfolio type sites but not for his. I even showed him the 2000-2004 chiroweb award sites, none of them look like add sites, and he just said yea he understands but he wants to "break the mold" and have his site pop. Anyway what should i change on the new layout?

[prstudio]

this last version is best - i would might find another back picture tho...

Also the arrow in the white space, make it a 3d beveled thing -

honestly - your first one was great - had a lot less to improve - so just change its color scheme ?

[j_polo9]

yea the back picture will probably continually rotate pictures. Arrow is 3-d'd.
honestly - your first one was great - had a lot less to improve - so just change its color scheme ? Do you mean that i should not use this layout and just modify the old one? Or do you mean that's what i should have done in the first place? Or that this one still has more to be edited than the last one? And does the arrowed section look better at the top of the layout?

http://www.muldavinchiro.com/chiro_742.gif

[icio]

excellent work ! that's a great improvement. congrats :thumb: the bevelled arrow looks nice.

i think it might look good (but i could be wrong) with some metallic gradients in there replacing the blue bar above your vector art, and along the bottom.

also, i'm not sure the black background of the vector art goes very well. and i don't like the green for the text at the bottom. like it a lot more now, though :)

[thediablo]

amazing mate!, i like the tweaking i did here, as for the arrow u added, remove the bevels from it, work a lil the right part where the black rectangle is.

Try to work a little more on the menu part, so it can stand out and look like one..

Keep going! u almost got it!

[Ryall]

j_polo9
Heres something I made to get you thinking... instead of having the text like you have it: "Sacramento's Expert..blah blah" It's just a sentence and doesnt stand out... so without adding colors or tons of crazy fonts look at how you can make it pop more with just the layout.
http://www.grafikdesigns.com/chiro.gif

Try thinking along those lines.

Something else.. your menu, well it just gets lost. It looks more like a strip of random words when you glance at it. There is no division or element to guide the users eye.

Peace
Peace

[j_polo9]

think it might look good (but i could be wrong) with some metallic gradients & work a lil the right part where the black rectangle is thanks, im not sure if the vector work (in the flash movie) is going to go into the final site but if it does ill give that a try!


Try to work a little more on the menu part & Something else.. your menu, well it just gets lost I agree ill try out some stuff with the menu!

Ryall i really like what you did with that catch frase thing! I tried two different versions of it, what do you think?

http://www.muldavinchiro.com/chiroslogan.gif

http://www.muldavinchiro.com/chiroslogan01.gif

[j_polo9]

Here's the newest, with the menu i tried different backgrounds but the website is already a bit busy I added the dots though.

http://www.muldavinchiro.com/chiro_743.gif

[prstudio]

personally i dont like the arrow pointing that way - its contrary to how we read -

i think the first website should just be modified with the desired color scheme, this looks like a poster you would see on their office wall - i know that's what they want and you did a good job of bringing it, but it's too bulky in my opinion, i would love to see you modify the original (was that your design too?) to fit the color scheme and just change a few elements there -

but keep at it yo - that's just my 2 cents

[[uber]]

doesn't that suck when your client has no idea of what looks good.. but insists it his way.... sadly they are always right

[j_polo9]

personally i dont like the arrow pointing that way Yea i think your right, ill change that.


this looks like a poster you would see on their office wall... i would love to see you modify the original (was that your design too?) Yes very poster-esque! Yea the origional was my design so im sad its come down to this, but Ub's right, its the clients money.

[hatetofakeit]

why is everything so **** huge on that site .... its like a site for VERY old people who can not see... HUGE, enormous

I’m just putting this out there clients hire you for a reason ... because they DONT know how to design!



this is why sometimes designer have to explain why the site should look a certain way and if need be convince him/her.



if we all did what our clients wanted us to ... the web would look like it did in 1995...

[j_polo9]

this is why sometimes designer have to explain why the site should look a certain way and if need be convince him/her.

Yea i said above that i tried to explain three times and the client said that he understood the reasoning but this is how he wanted it. What screen size are you viewing on?

[dude9er]

you spelt industrial and appointment wrong. I like the bevel on the arrow, but tone it down to a light teal, or light grey, it's too strong against the white background.

[j_polo9]

lmao nice catch... argh i need a clone that is just good at spelling to slap me when i make stupid mistakes. Seriously i ALWAYS miss spelling errors. thanks dude!