Asian Earthquake and Tidal Waves

[DariusMonsef]

What a sad event.

I wonder do we have some forum members that live in these areas hit by the event?

[Digitalosophy]

Links please, I haven't heard of this

[Neil]

Oh god.................this is terrible..

[ContinuumXLS]

Links please, I haven't heard of this

neither have I...sounds pretty bad :(

[DariusMonsef]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6754820/?GT1=5936
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4126971.stm


Now 11,000 dead is the estimate.

[oceans11]

This is really disheartening. Times like these make me wonder and look back at the past, what good or bad I've done. Because you'll never know...

[ben_is_sparky]

It's so sad. I don't know what to say or think.

[pom]

From what I've heard on the news, the earthquake was detected at once, but the scientists who did didn't have a phone number to call :-/ How ironic and sad :(

[hoodz]

very sad :(

[mlk]

pom, i heard that the detection means only existed in the pacific for now.. And yes it sucks; why does it have to be countries already in difficult positiions...

[ya3]

yah. it's been repeated over and over and over on the news ALL DAY today...

quite unfortunate :(

[RabBell]

the british red cross has launched an appeal to help the survivours rebuild their lifes. I just donated online and found it very easy to do, I urge people to donate something, anything.

http://www.redcross.org.uk/Campaign.asp?ID=38543

or the american red cross

https://www.redcross.org/donate/donation-form.asp

:thumb:

[h88]

Oh darn - how sad.

[Ψ]

now the death toll is 14000 dead...

man that is the worst since 40 years now!!

8.9 rictor scale that is crzyyyy

[Pomme_]

more like 23k dead people now...
And more than 30k missing.

[Digitalosophy]

yea this is really nuts :(

[Jasninder]

things r worst then told in the news, really sad and i pray for everyone who were killed and are homeless :(

[berkoWitZ]

24,000 deads..... :(

[Ψ]

well i noe one thing that less people couldve died if they had alarmed them earlier cuz before the tide hit hit south east india they had 3 hours to raise the alarm but..i noe these indian people they try to grab everything hey have and leave due to their ppoverty. but it was too late but it still couldve been avoided!!!

[Pomme_]

and scientists are still waiting for seismic replicas... they are also bound to be pretty violent... :(

[DarkChild]

oh man, what a sad day :(

respect to anyone who has lost someone in this sh*t...

[Polling]

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[springrollz]

My friend had just left for Sri lanka last week. And I haven't heard from the family since. I'm really hoping they're ok. I heard about this late and only realised they were there last night.
It's so sad that this happened. And Sri lanka had never been affected by natural disasters like these ever before in history apparently, so you just never know. And out in the Indian ocean, they didn't have a tsunami warning system because it's never known to have occured there before.

[DariusMonsef]

A sad fact is that, the death toll has risen to about the same number of KForum members we have here.

I think for most people its hard to even comprehend a number of people larger than say 500 or so. I know for myself the only way for me to try and understand the losses over there is to compare it to the town which I grew up in. We only had about 10k people in the whole town... it's scary to imagine that town completely gone...

[Byrnzie]

its hard to put into words how bad this realy is, hopefully now they will invest some money into putting warning systems all over the coastal reagions of the world. A geologist from the local university said, he would advise people not to go any where near the coast on the entire indian ocean - as after shocks could cause more threats. I first heard of this as a passing message on one of the comercial television news staions - it wasn't till late sunday night i heard the full story, when the government owned station had a live feed of BBC world where i understood the full carnage.

at springrolls - i hope your friends are safe, there is a good chance as most of the australians missing / dead were in Indonesia and Tai-Land not sri lanka, well thats what i cana tell from the news reports.

--edit---
or if you are realy worried try ringing the department of forign affairs hotline its soemthing like 1800 002 214 (i think this is the number, but to be sure check the news or on the web) the hotline has info on alot on whom is missing and confirmed deaths.

[onsitus]

My father actualy lives in Phuket Thailand with his wife and my twin brothers. Was it luck, the day before the earthquake, they decided to visit some family in Cambdoge.

Instead my mother is working in East Timor (Indonesia). They got pretty scared but no real damage.
I'm in Italy and couldn't get any news. Any way to make a phone call in those areas.
Thanks a lot to the inventor of internet, it has been my only way to contact my family and to get some real news on the situation over there.

[RabBell]

onsitus I'm glad to hear everyones ok and springrolls I hope everyone close to you are ok, praying for them

[Byrnzie]

latest news reports, i don't have pay tv so i don't get access to news channels but all of the station update the situation constantly.

-around 29,000 confirmed dead
-at least 30,000 missing in India alone.
-some reports say that officials belive that around 25,000 could have died in Indonesa.
-a couple of hundred in Africa (somalia and kenya)

[RabBell]

final death count will probably be much higher...

just sounds like an unbelievable number...I don't really think we can comprehend this is how many people have died. It's just unbelievable

hope none of us see's another disaster like this one

[garyzero]

Have you heard of it now? Yeah it was very sad. I couldn't read the stories because that stuff always upsets me.




Links please, I haven't heard of this

[Ψ]

final death count will probably be much higher...

i dont think there will be a final death coint

[RabBell]

I think it's kinda cold but the press always need one

I remember a few days after the World Trade Center there was a press conference with the mayor (Guilliani sp?) and I think he was asked 8 times for a death count. Then when it went back to the studio all they could talk about was a death count

maybe it helps sell newspapers :(

[garyzero]

The final count will probably be less. I think it increases due to media hype. Didn't they once say 7,000 for the WTC?

[3d Nirvana]

this thing is so sad, On the news you can see bodys all over the place.

On a lighter note, france decided to help out by donating *drum roll* 100 thousand dolars! lol

[Byrnzie]

that is a pretty poor effort made by france, I think australias contribution is too little as we are part of the area, but they are increasing it every couple of hours once they see what is needed. We are sending i think $35 million in cash + resources but that is no where near enough.

here are some links with regard to the relief effort and the tsunami it's self.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Australia-boosts-aid-to-35m/2004/12/29/1103996594800.html?oneclick=true about the releif effort

http://www.smh.com.au/news/Asia-Tsunami/Australian-medical-team-and-supplies-arrive/2004/12/28/1103996555205.html about the relief effort

http://www.smh.com.au/news/Asia-Tsunami/Disaster-compounds-Acehs-misery/2004/12/28/1103996556168.html stuff about the aceh regions prior conflict and how the disater made the area worse.

[Digitalosophy]

Have you heard of it now? Yeah it was very sad. I couldn't read the stories because that stuff always upsets me.

yea been busy havent been on KF. sad sad stuff

[Pomme_]

this thing is so sad, On the news you can see bodys all over the place.

On a lighter note, france decided to help out by donating *drum roll* 100 thousand dolars! lol Ha ha. I call it bluff. I cannot believe that France (or any country for that matter) could donate less than 70 000 euros. It's such a ridiculous amount, I'm sure you have misunderstood (or have been watching too much Fox News :p )

Talking about donations, anyone remember Bam? There was an earthquake in Bam (Iran) with a death toll of 30 000 deaths (approx.), and there have been promises of donations up to $1billion . They have recieved less than 1% of that total. So it's not how much the govts promise to give, it's what they actually DO give.

As for the number of dead people, the death toll (contrarily to the WTC) will only RISE as there are high risks of epidemics with all the corpses rotting, discovered day after day.
I've seen unedited footage, it's really not pretty. The mass graves are springing all over, it's sickening.

[RabBell]

are you suggesting that some element of the American media may have it in for France since they loudly criticised Bush's decision to invade Iraq...how dare you suggest something so plausible ;)

Also, a bit of good news from the disaster area
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/041229/80/f9c9h.html

it is nice to know miracles do still happen :}

[Butters]

This is really sad news :(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4131667.stm

Both of his grandaughters, Lucy and Alice went to my primary school, Alice was in my class from the start (basically age 5 - 11).

Lucy was a year below my sister (thats 3 years below me), and I remember her very well. Such a sad story.

My uncle lives in Thailand, luckily he wasent by the sea at the time, and slept through it.

I heard that there are over 60,000 estimated deaths.

[Pomme_]

66k, last estimate. But it's bound to go up. :(

[Butters]

Gone up to 68,000

[Ψ]

like i said u wont have a final death toll because u will keep on inding bodies..

[gonzales]

anyone know how hard bangkok was hit? my friend marissa is there now. the news said that there were some people from portland killed but they never said who it was. im getting worried as i havent heard from her all week.

[Ψ]

matt i am reallly sorry to hear. but iam sure she will call u or u will hear from her soon..


on BBC they said the death toll could exceed 100 000 which is pretty higih

[DarkChild]

70k now, was just on the news

[Ψ]

no i am saying that the site told me the toll COULD exeed 100000

[Pomme_]

the death toll WILL exceed 100k. That's pretty certain...

They're still finding bodies rotting in the sea. And there are some islands (Andaman and Nicobar) with about 15 000 inhabitants+tourists, and they haven't been able to access it, because of the seawaters everywhere and the rubbles.

Plus, there's bound to be some cholera/dengue fever epidemics with all the open-air morgues and all the mass graves, and the putrefying corpses. There's no drinkable water to drink, there's no oil for the cars to GET the water, there's not much electricity, there are no medications (tons are coming from all over the world, but that won't suffice), there's no food... and there's NO WAY TO GET IT TO THEM.

Some say there will be more deaths from the epidemics (there are already many cases of cholera, dysentry and paludism because of the rotting corpses). The WHO (WOrld Health Organization) estimates at about 50k-70k the number of deaths from the epidemics alone. It's sickening, the world is trying to help, but I fear it won't be enough.

[edit: Bangkok wasn't hit]

[RelandR]

anyone know how hard bangkok was hit? my friend marissa is there now. the news said that there were some people from portland killed but they never said who it was. im getting worried as i havent heard from her all week.
I don't believe Bangkok got hit at all, it is on the other side of the penninsula

As to the estimates as I understand are of two types - what is believed to be current, then what is believed it will become ... both horribly high numbers

[gonzales]

hey, thanks for the info guys. im going to donate some money to help out.
heres a link to the UNICEF site for donations: donate. (https://www.unicefusa.org/site/apps/ka/sd/donor.asp?c=duLRI8O0H&b=277271&en=emIYKcPPJdJSL6PQIfLWK9PWJkI1JrN8LpK1LcMSLfLXKmM eE)

[RabBell]

why didn't we think of this

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/041229/325/f9csl.html

good one kid :thumb:

[Byrnzie]

http://www.smh.com.au/news/Asia-Tsunami/US-rejects-stingy-tag-and-praises-Australia/2004/12/29/1103996616123.html
^Something on the US relief effort / the US's media responce.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/Asia-Tsunami/Red-Cross-sets-up-website-for-victims/2004/12/30/1103996621607.html
^ about the red cross website for victims.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/Asia-Tsunami/Supermodel-clung-to-tree-for-eight-hours/2004/12/29/1103996592760.html
^ story about the celebrities caught by the tsunami

http://www.smh.com.au/news/Asia-Tsunami/Who-to-call-and-how-to-help/2004/12/29/1103996616211.html
^article for any australians to find out how they can help / get infomation on relatives.

[DariusMonsef]

This has to be one of the dumbest articles I've read lately. (not for what the kid is doing, kudos to him) But the article itself... why did they not provide a link to the site??

and 82,000 hits... i hate when people use hits as a stat... I bet KForums got around 300,000 hits this week. hell, COLOURlovers.com got 108k hits in the last week or so...


why didn't we think of this

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/041229/325/f9csl.html

good one kid :thumb:

[Neil]

****ing hell ! OMG, the death toll is projected around 140 K !!! :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

[hee_hah_dude]

I was in Phuket when it struck that day ...
However i manage to escape
*Sigh
It was a frightening experience

[flash_ee2]

i was reading your previous post and treats and i found you guys funny and full of energy, though to myself how seflish this guys are, free of guilts and sadness untill i read this post and you guys are not what i though of, sorry, is realy sad what just happen to those third word countries but the truth is no one pay any attention to them until is too late to do a thing. why they dont have a phone to warm the populace cause they dont know have the tech we do, and for that we should do what we can to help them out.

[hificopymaster]

Well I haven't been here for awhile, since I heard about this disaster... I have most of my family in Sri Lanka. They weren't hurt or anything; they live in Jaffna, and weren't affected nearly as much as the coastal regions. Anyway, I just wanted to bring this to your attention: http://www.sarvodaya.org/ If there's anyone wanting to donate, this is a great organization, especially if you want your funds to go to Sri Lanka. Thanks :)

P.S. I know the website sucks :P

[GreenLantern]

It's funny how "almost" no one in this thread seems to give two sh*ts or a f*ck about what has happened, but more about what the final death count will be. Maybe one of you could make a neon flash display for the finaly death count toll thingy.

Ya, that would be great.

:skull:

[Inertia]

Just 150 km away from me the horrible disaster ... see the pictures It's far beyond the words

http://www.manoramaonline.com/advt/gallery/gallery.htm?strURL=../TsunamiDisaster/images/images.js

[hoodz]

Just 150 km away from me the horrible disaster ... see the pictures It's far beyond the words

http://www.manoramaonline.com/advt/gallery/gallery.htm?strURL=../TsunamiDisaster/images/images.js
btw did someone hear something about sameerz ? cuz he's from bangalore in india, friday was the last time i spoke to him and he told he was waiting for his train cuz he was goin on a holiday, and i dunno where he was goin, so lets hope he didnt go to the coast somewehere

**** disaster!!!

[RabBell]

another good idea from google

http://www.google.com/tsunami_relief.html

[Pomme_]

There are so many organizations to give to, and most of them wouldn't be able to truly help. Be careful to whom you choose to donate...
The best NGOs to donate to are the ones that have already been in that region for the past decade (MSF for SriLanka and CARE for Indonesia are 2 good examples), as they know the terrain and how to get around...

[G]

a guy who i work with - his sister went to Indonesia for a holiday 1 week ago (its a 2 week holiday) and she has gone missing. This event is really very sad seeing all the innocent people on the news with no mum and dad because they were swept away.

Nature can be cruel and I really hope that my friends sister if ok, hes a really nice guy.

[onsitus]

The sick part, watching tourist back to the beach in Plucket getting some suntan while so much help is needed.

[Byrnzie]

^ yeah that relay offened me, the countries are in ruin. you would think if you aren't going to help just to get out and stop a strain on resources. Some of the excuses were that their travel insurence wasn't refunderble so they didn't want to lose money.

hopefully the US aircraft carrier / its battle group deployed in the region gets there soon so the large amount of helicopters on board can start to distribute aid to remote regions. Australia is sending a naval frigate with army engineers / equipment to go help re-build infastructure (shuch as air stips and hospitals) but wont get there for a week or so.

I think the best orginisation to send money to is either the red cross or Care.

[ContinuumXLS]

The sick part, watching tourist back to the beach in Plucket getting some suntan while so much help is needed.
disgusting...

[RussianBeer]

death count up to 120 000

[Byrnzie]

here is a gallery which helps show the amount fo actual devistation caused by the tsunami. the before and after shots are the worst. they are either satleite or aireal shots.

note you may need to sing up.

http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/2004/12/31/1104344973804.html

[MTsoul]

For some reason, this tsunami event reminded me of the movie "The Day After Tomorrow". All the unusual events that happen as if nature was to kill us
1) many animals survive, not us.
2) in the news today, I heard the train carrying the victims to a safer place fell into the ocean and drowned many people.
3) the day after tomorrow is the 4th of januarary, 2005 - 4+1=5

[Krilnon]

But it didn't happen today.

[Mik3]

This is a very, very, very terrible event and this day will live on in history.

Has anyone noticed that in the bible it speaks of terrible earthquakes and such that are alerting the end of the world.

[B3NKobe]

Id just like to put this small tribute of a mate of mine from my old school, who unfortunatly died in this horrific event, he was missing for 7 days, until now when the body was discovered. His name was Matt and he was 18 years old, a great mate of alot of people at school, and he will be sadly missed.


Rest In Peace Matt - http://www.kirupa.com/forum/images/smilies/sleeping.gif




My sympothy also goes out to all the other familys who are grieving at this un happy time,

[T-O]

I've been reading this thread and people are saying 24k 66k I mean WTF! All those are still people.. Don't turn them into numbers.


Rest In Peace


t3h t3rminator: Sizemic activity has nothing to do with gods will. What kind of god would kill millionds.

[Pomme_]

The death toll is so high, I don't see why it shouldn't be reported.
If you're pissed off at the "k" instead of "000", let's say it's for the sake of abbreviation. It means the same, and whether one uses k or 000, we're all deeply hurt.

[T-O]

The death toll is so high, I don't see why it shouldn't be reported.
If you're pissed off at the "k" instead of "000", let's say it's for the sake of abbreviation. It means the same, and whether one uses k or 000, we're all deeply hurt.

I'm just saying that your turning people into numbers..

[B3NKobe]

I'm just saying that your turning people into numbers..
Im agreeing with T-O - People shouldnt be named as either numbers, letters or any other form of useless way, especially to all those who lost there lives in the disaster, respect them, be lucky it wasnt you...

[Pomme_]

I respect them so much, I want everyone to acknowledge that (at least) one hundred and forty five thousand people have died during this awful tragedy.
But for clarity's sake, it's easier to write numbers than spell out everyone's name, ne?

Bah, everything has to be so morally acceptable.
Sun is shining, I love everybody. Feel any better?
I'm just not closing my eyes... never have, never will.

[flamer]

here is a link to a movie thet show's the tsunami at puket:
http://www.2flashgames.com/viewlink.php?url=http://www.lookatentertainment.com/v/v-55.htm&id=1152

[ben_is_sparky]

I found out this week that my mum's cosin was supposed to be flying into Pukhet the day after the disaster.

[benji2004]

All I can say is how sorry I am for the people who have lost their lives, their homes, their friends and even their relatives in this disaster.

[NeoAKATheOne]

I know someone who was supposed to have their wedding in Sri Lanka (I'm from India myself, luckily from western India so none of my relatives were hurt, I'm located in New York currently). I haven't heard from them in a while, so I don't know how they're doing... :-(

[ya3]

Gosh. It's all so crazy :(

We've got a huge pile of clothes in our lounge room that we're going to donate - along with some cash :)

b3nknobe: so sorry to hear about your friend... omg! :(

[NeoAKATheOne]

Ya, I wonder to myself a lot, when is it all going to end? I hope soon, because the death toll is still rising...

[NeoAKATheOne]

...because lots of families are still being shattered across the globe...

[NeoAKATheOne]

We should have a national day of silence or something...

[hee_hah_dude]

i down in the hospital for a few days

[hoodz]

wheres is sameerz? does someone know? he lives in Bangalore, India and he went on a holiday the friday before christmas and i havent heard anything of him since then :( i hope he didnt go to the coast :(

[B3NKobe]

b3nknobe: so sorry to hear about your friend... omg! :(

thanks ya3 http://www.kirupa.com/forum/images/smilies/smirk.gifhttp://www.kirupa.com/forum/images/smilies/bored.gif

[HondaFoo]

I'm so grateful that the Philippines didn't get hit.

Although the US should help out just for the sake of saving human lives, this is a good chance for America to help out their reputation around the world.

Anyone know the amount that Bush is spending on this?

[ar]

B3nkob3, sorry man... That's just heartbreaking, losing a good friend... in... wow. Sorry. Well, lets hope he's in a better place.http://www.kirupa.com/forum/images/smilies/cry2.gif


http://www.kirupa.com/forum/images/smilies/angle.gif

[Yeldarb]

Anyone know the amount that Bush is spending on this?350 Million Dollars

[B3NKobe]

You cant just have a go at the US for this, They have put in alot of aid and effort to help those who are in need & i also read somewhere to (i think google news) that 3 in every 5 americans have donated money to aid! I think the US has done well on this issue,

thanks domain_host, i hope he is in a better place too http://www.kirupa.com/forum/images/smilies/sleep.gifhttp://www.kirupa.com/forum/images/smilies/cry2.gifhttp://www.kirupa.com/forum/images/smilies/ponder.gif

[mlk]

The sick part, watching tourist back to the beach in Plucket getting some suntan while so much help is needed.

I totally disagree with what you say... The places that were the most hit relied mostly on tourism for money. And this is what will help the countries in the long term... Getting the tourists to spend money IS imortant...
Now I'm not saying that it doesn't look weird, but that somehow its necessary...

I do hope things don't get worse.

[Pomme_]

You cant just have a go at the US for this, They have put in alot of aid and effort to help those who are in need & i also read somewhere to (i think google news) that 3 in every 5 americans have donated money to aid! I think the US has done well on this issue,
Can I be a jerk and ask you how much the US have spent on Iraq? And then compare it to how much the world has spent on the tsunami thing? It's going to sound Ordered-ly, but with Powell boasting how much the tsunami-effort is showing the world how good the US are to muslims, I just can't help but comparing it with the war effort in Iraq.

[Yeldarb]

Can I be a jerk and ask you how much the US have spent on Iraq? And then compare it to how much the world has spent on the tsunami thing? It's going to sound Ordered-ly, but with Powell boasting how much the tsunami-effort is showing the world how good the US are to muslims, I just can't help but comparing it with the war effort in Iraq.I just did the math, and the US spent 205 Million a day (based on costofwar.com's running tally which I think is probably exagerated..). The Tsunami was a one day event, which we pledged 350 million dollars in cash plus aid through our troops. I really don't want to get into this though, that's for another thread... which would be in ordered... which is closed...

[Pomme_]

a one-day event? :) suuuuuuuuuuuuure.

[kirupa]

sued - deleted your post. If you want to discuss the generosity or stinginess of contributing nations and/or their leaders, you should find another forum (aka not this one) to do that in ;)

If anybody wants to help out, there is a list of agencies on the link on the home page (http://www.kirupa.com/) where you can contribute, and there are a lot of great links in this thread also.

[B3NKobe]

Can I be a jerk and ask you how much the US have spent on Iraq? And then compare it to how much the world has spent on the tsunami thing? It's going to sound Ordered-ly, but with Powell boasting how much the tsunami-effort is showing the world how good the US are to muslims, I just can't help but comparing it with the war effort in Iraq.
Well at least the US has contributed to the people who need it, according to our Newspaper in Victoria (Herald Sun) the US has donated 450 Million & Australia donated a 1 Billion dollar package, I think the US donated enough to this situation and i think Australia donated enough also, its more of a problem for Australia as we are closer to Asia than the US so Australia giving $1 Billion I think was very good, If the US was in Australia's position then id expect them also to give about 1 Billion in aid, and comparing this disaster with the war in Iraq well I dont think you can, there different scenerios!

[ Kirupa & Mods - I know we arnt allowed to talk like its 'Ordered' so if this post is deleted I know why - Ben ]

[jchillerup]

Germany has donated €500,000,000 which is $659,998,580.63 or £351,399,476.67.. Quite a big sum of money!

[Byrnzie]

the australian public / businesses raised over 15 million dollars last night during a 3 hour tellathon(sp?).

Also any one looking forwad to the big benifit crickit match (asia vs the rest of the world) on tommorow, to help raise funds for the relif effort. I wish i had enough money to get down to melbourne and head to the game. But it looks like i will be watching it on tv.

-both teams look realy strong but i have a feeling that the asian team will win (cos it will be rigged)

[B3NKobe]

the australian public / businesses raised over 15 million dollars last night during a 3 hour tellathon(sp?).

Also any one looking forwad to the big benifit crickit match (asia vs the rest of the world) on tommorow, to help raise funds for the relif effort. I wish i had enough money to get down to melbourne and head to the game. But it looks like i will be watching it on tv.

-both teams look realy strong but i have a feeling that the asian team will win (cos it will be rigged)
Yeah last night was great the amount that they raised! & they had some good songs that they played, it was also good to see all 3 networks (7,9,10) come together as one.

As for the cricket match tommrow at the G, got my ticket with a few mates, looking forward to it also! & iv also got the same feeling it could be rigged! But its not about the rigging its about raising money and having a good day!

[[uber]]

I'm watchin the specials on tv... man.... tsunamis are so terrible.

[kirupa]

I'm watchin the specials on tv... man.... tsunamis are so terrible.The Discovery Channel had a 2 or 3 hour special on Tsunamis today. I was flipping between that and leeches on the Animal Planet. Scary stuff on both shows :evil:

[minimalistik]

We should have a national day of silence or something...


We have one now on January 16th. Can't believe however that rebels have attacked some assistance areas where doctors are treating people in Indoesnia. Read in the Daily Telegraph not to spread Christianity or something...

[B3NKobe]

We have one now on January 16th. Can't believe however that rebels have attacked some assistance areas where doctors are treating people in Indoesnia. Read in the Daily Telegraph not to spread Christianity or something...
Yeah 16th Jan is a national day of mourning for Australia, I also cant beleive those basterd rebels who are attacking aid workers at embassies. Its just patheticly wrong, people are trying to help people rebuild their lives and these a**holes are going around shooting the place up, its just like those other people who were stealing homeless kids & making child pornography, its just wrong, how can people do such things!?!

[Pomme_]

dude, how can you compare the rebels (whom you obviously know a lot about their struggle against the Indonesian govt) and pedophiles?
Aceh was their base camp, that's where the quake and tsunami hit the most. Taking advantage of the situation for the Indonesian govt (I believe Suharto is still in place?) is a no-brainer.
I'm not saying that it's good that rebels attacked NGOs and stuff, but if I were in their shoes, I would be worried as hell too.


@BenKobe> I think the US underestimated the amount that the region needed, considering that it's the US of A that are exploiting this region the most with all the leather/shoes/clothing industry (aka Nike, Reebok, Gap, Levis and co.)... but we all know the money given by any country is as much driven by humanitarian distress than by political motives...
I was just saying (in my previous post) that the war in Iraq has cost SO MUCH MORE than the US tsunami relief effort, when the latter helped SO MUCH MORE for the appreciation of the US way of life...
MORE TSUNAMI, LESS WAR!!

[Rockstar]

its not only the rebels but some ppl there also took advantage of this tragedy, by burning and looting houses.

@pomme : I dont think Suharto has anything to do with this, but this guy is responsible for making indonesia as worst as today.. but alas nobody dares to touch even his skin.

[Macro-design]

I think it amazing how the western world can donate money when some white people die. I mean, every day, 30.000 people starves to death.



Now, don't get me wrong, it's nice that we can and are helping this much. But just keep in mind, that every week, more people die, starving to death, than there did because of this tsunami. I think it's wrong of people, to bind the money they are sending to relief agencies, to the tsunami disaster.



Personally I've sent around about 3000£ ( I’m only 16 years, so doesn’t have that much money to give of ), but I haven’t bound them to the tsunami disaster. Because I know, that the people in the relief agencies know - much better than me - where the money are needed.



The amazing thing about this, is, how it actually brings people together. The only bad thing is, that it's only disaster that really brings us together.



And again, I’m in the greatest respect and feeling for the tsunami victims.



2 min.'s peace for the dead people, thanks

[DariusMonsef]

I got a couple questions for you all:

If I were to go to Thailand and help people rebuild and support people as however I could, would you be willing to donate money to sponsor my trip and time their?

Also, are there any Thai members or people located near the affected regions that could help point me in the right direction and help me figure out how I could best help out.

[B3NKobe]

I got a couple questions for you all:

If I were to go to Thailand and help people rebuild and support people as however I could, would you be willing to donate money to sponsor my trip and time their?

Also, are there any Thai members or people located near the affected regions that could help point me in the right direction and help me figure out how I could best help out.
1) As much as id like to help sponsor your trip, im very strapt for cash right now, iv already donated $30 for aid, and i know $30 isnt much but thats all i could afford at this time, but good luck with your sponsors...

2) I live in Aust, dont know anyone in Thai, so I cant answer this question...

[DariusMonsef]

I so much didn't want to know if you would give me money, but more... if you had some would you give it? I'm just testing the idea because I have some close family and friends with more than enough money to send me over, I just wanted to know how likely it might be to get money from them.

[Pomme_]

Personally I've sent around about 3000£ ( I’m only 16 years, so doesn’t have that much money to give of )

?? I don't know who or what you consider rich, but I know I cannot afford 5 000 euros for anyone. Not even my mother. People live in a crazy world.

@Ethan> I wouldn't advise you to go to Thailand or anywhere close to there. They don't NEED people with no experience. Knowing CPR is not experience. Now, if you DO have some skills with disaster-types (recovering corpses, using heavy mechanics, surgery, dynamite pyrotech, etc), then it's different and you should contact an agency such as CARE. But if you're just 'willing' because you feel helpless with what happened, I don't think that's enough a reason for you to go over there. There are enough locals willing to help rebuild their own nation...

HOWEVER, there's much to do in Hollywood, social-wise ;)

ps: do you even speak Thai?

[B3NKobe]

I so much didn't want to know if you would give me money, but more... if you had some would you give it? I'm just testing the idea because I have some close family and friends with more than enough money to send me over, I just wanted to know how likely it might be to get money from them.
ohh i see, Well if I did have money that I could spare, then most likely I would spare a few pennies, :D

[eilsoe]

I myself don't have much money to donate, but we did have a national "raise money for asia" day here a few days ago. everyone joined in, the royal family, businesses, private homes etc, together we go around 200 million DKR (rougly 30-32 million dollars)

I'd say that's pretty good for a small country as ours :)

(and all in a few days too :P)

[B3NKobe]

// Off Topic! Eilsoe, looks like youv been posting alot to beat Sen :D:D:D!

[eilsoe]

yeah, he thinks he's so great :sure: had to wipe the floor with him...



//back to topic

[B3NKobe]

I myself don't have much money to donate, but we did have a national "raise money for asia" day here a few days ago. everyone joined in, the royal family, businesses, private homes etc, together we go around 200 million DKR (rougly 30-32 million dollars)

I'd say that's pretty good for a small country as ours :)

(and all in a few days too :P)
thats a good amount that you guys raisied over there! Last Saturday we had a thing on all 3 tv stations, which raised i think around 20 million maybe more im not to sure, and today there was a special cricket match at the MCG here in Melbourne, im not sure how much the raised on that in the end either, although they had already gotten 5 million about 1 hour into the game. ( i was there )It was a good day too...

[Skinny_T]

I didn't catch the score, who won?

[B3NKobe]

Score: ICC World XI 344/8 (50 ov)
ACC Asian XI 232 (39.5 ov)

ICC World XI won by 112 runs



Just found out how much they raised from the cricket match - $10,000,000 :D!

[Byrnzie]

^what a great game it was any one else watch it???
(suposebly 1 billion people world wide tuned in)

and the money raised is going to be over 14 million (they still haven't colated the amount from drinks bought at the game, which was all going to world vision) thats over 34 million from australina public in a couple of days on top of the 100+million raised earlier.

-btw ben, your post time above says 8:47pm, did you leave the game early or something?

[B3NKobe]

^^ Yeah but I live in melbourne, 2 mins across from the MCG - just down punt rd...

Australia has done very well with the amount that they have donated! Good on them for it :D:D! Asia is our neighbour and i think what we have done has showed to them how much we like them as neighbours...

[Coogie84]

I think it amazing how the western world can donate money when some white people die. I mean, every day, 30.000 people starves to death.



Now, don't get me wrong, it's nice that we can and are helping this much. But just keep in mind, that every week, more people die, starving to death, than there did because of this tsunami. I think it's wrong of people, to bind the money they are sending to relief agencies, to the tsunami disaster.


"when some white people die." <--- What do you mean don't get me wrong?

It's poeple like you that keep racist hatred alive, with stupid comments like that. I do not believe one bit that the REST of the world would not of donated any money to these victims if they were all non-white.

[sameerzs]

I stay in India and here around 1.5 lakh ppl have died due to Tsunami and I was at that same place a month back 'Chennai' where around 200 ppl have died. Tsunami has clearly swept an Indian Island 'Andaman & Nicobar' where it has killed more than 70% of the population, and it has also destroyed some coastal villages.

Its really sad.

[sameerzs]

Its good that ppl are donating money but does anyone know whether this money is properly reaching the needy because that money has to pass through a lot of hands and no one knows whose hands are sticky.

Anyways good that people are donating for a real good cause, because Tsunami has destroyed some places completely and left many home less, a lot of money is required to rebuild everything.

[Pomme_]

"when some white people die." <--- What do you mean don't get me wrong?

It's poeple like you that keep racist hatred alive, with stupid comments like that. I do not believe one bit that the REST of the world would not of donated any money to these victims if they were all non-white.
The earthquake in Bam, Iran. Between 30 and 40 000 dead people. Between 1 and 5% of the pledged money was actually given. That's between 10 and 50 million dollars. How come?

I agree with Coogie on the fact that, because tourists were also killed by the tsunami, it raised the level of awareness from the public. There are more than 5 000 tourists dead or missing (presumably dead), and that's probably why people - mind you, not govts, but people from all over the world- donated. It has nothing to do with being racist imo, and the "stupid comment" is quite far from being that stupid... It's just looking at the world objectivly.
People are touched by events when it is shown that it could happen to them, too. :love: :peace: :marijuana:

[Ectheo]

The earthquake in Bam, Iran. Between 30 and 40 000 dead people. Between 1 and 5% of the pledged money was actually given. That's between 10 and 50 million dollars. How come?



Remember, thats just one country. This is several. I don't mean to compare the two, because they are both equally devastating to those involved, but the tsunami is just a much larger area of affected people. Hopefully all the money raised will in fact head to the tsunami relief.

[B3NKobe]

Remember, thats just one country. This is several. I don't mean to compare the two, because they are both equally devastating to those involved, but the tsunami is just a much larger area of affected people. Hopefully all the money raised will in fact head to the tsunami relief.
I think most of the money raised and or givenout by governments & larg corperations will be going towards the aid, i think it wil be really big security with and where the money goes and how it gets there,

[Coogie84]

The earthquake in Bam, Iran. Between 30 and 40 000 dead people. Between 1 and 5% of the pledged money was actually given. That's between 10 and 50 million dollars. How come?

I agree with Coogie on the fact that, because tourists were also killed by the tsunami, it raised the level of awareness from the public. There are more than 5 000 tourists dead or missing (presumably dead), and that's probably why people - mind you, not govts, but people from all over the world- donated. It has nothing to do with being racist imo, and the "stupid comment" is quite far from being that stupid... It's just looking at the world objectivly.
People are touched by events when it is shown that it could happen to them, too. :love: :peace: :marijuana:I just think he needed to choose his words wisely... why did he bring skin colour into it? If he had said "when some westerns die" it wouldn't have seemed as bad.

Because can you imagine if I said I wasn't going to give any money because some brown skinned people die? I would of 100% been labelled racist!

[Pomme_]

why did he bring skin colour into it

Cause westerners are white?
Or so I think...

You'd be labelled racist even if you said: "I'm not giving out money because they're Asian". Doesn't have anything to do with skin color, it's about being egocentric, like any western society...
"Ha, it could happen to me, I'm giving out money" - that's probably the reason why Westerners aren't concerned with draughts and famine (or AIDS on a smaller scale)

[Coogie84]

Cause westerners are white?
Or so I think...

You'd be labelled racist even if you said: "I'm not giving out money because they're Asian". Doesn't have anything to do with skin color, it's about being egocentric, like any western society...
"Ha, it could happen to me, I'm giving out money" - that's probably the reason why Westerners aren't concerned with draughts and famine (or AIDS on a smaller scale)
Why has been turned on me? I never brought skin colour into it. He said white people are only giving to this disaster becuase some white poeple die in it too.

There is a big different between being a westerner and being white.

[B3NKobe]

Why has been turned on me? I never brought skin colour into it. He said white people are only giving to this disaster becuase some white poeple die in it too.

There is a big different between being a westerner and being white.
This is turning into a old 'Ordered' conversation! Which is not allowed!

The discussion abour whites/blacks/racism is now over, continue posting about the disaster, but dont off topic it to 'racism'

[Coogie84]

This is turning into a old 'Ordered' conversation! Which is not allowed!

The discussion abour whites/blacks/racism is now over, continue posting about the disaster, but dont off topic it to 'racism'
I'm really glad racism is allow on this board but the not the arguement agasn't it.

[B3NKobe]

I'm really glad racism is allow on this board but the not the arguement agasn't it.
...? dont understand...? did you mean 'I'm reallyglad racism isnt allowed'...?

Confussed...

[Coogie84]

...? dont understand...? did you mean 'I'm reallyglad racism isnt allowed'...?

Confussed...
Nope I mean the fact that someone in my opinion made a racist comment, when I make my opinion felt about it we are told to pretty much be silent about it.

"I'm really glad racism is allow on this board but the not the arguement agasn't it."

[B3NKobe]

Well it looked like you guys were about to start a war! so i just thought id tell you guys to stop talking about racism and get back onto the topic of this thread! Im sure a MOD would have said a similar thing, so if i didnt say it then a mod most likely would have...

BACK TO TOPIC -->> :D:D

[Pomme_]

b3nkobe, mod in power... :D
b2t. Donations from western countries is part of this discussion I fear. And I'm sorry to say that white people also donated because white people died in the tsunami. It's not because you're not racist that inconsciou.... haaaaaaa. Ordered. Sorry.

btw, I hold no grudge against you. Only against Kirupa... ;p

[Coogie84]

I don't want to be banned from this site... but how can poeple just be allow to say want they want? Surely that gives me the right too.

[Pomme_]

chill dude. No one talked about banning anyone... :)


:pirate:

[Coogie84]

Ok ok... let get back to the issue. I heard that the Earth also moved one inch of its axel which may have long term effects. Anyone know if this is true and know anything about it?

[Pomme_]

I heard we lost a tiny bit of day time. Not enough to scare SquareBob though.

[DariusMonsef]

@Ethan> I wouldn't advise you to go to Thailand or anywhere close to there. They don't NEED people with no experience. Knowing CPR is not experience. Now, if you DO have some skills with disaster-types (recovering corpses, using heavy mechanics, surgery, dynamite pyrotech, etc), then it's different and you should contact an agency such as CARE. But if you're just 'willing' because you feel helpless with what happened, I don't think that's enough a reason for you to go over there. There are enough locals willing to help rebuild their own nation...

ps: do you even speak Thai?

Pomme, I see your points, but I have no intent on going deep into the places where the last thing they need is another mouth to feed when there already isn't enough food. My goal is to go to a place like Phuket that was a major tourist destination, and where most of the facilities are almost rebuilt but they have lost the number of tourists 100%. So my trip would serve two purposes.

1.) Be a tourist. I would need to rent a room and buy food from local shops and businesses. I would also keep an online journal / photo journal to help sell how beautiful it is there and try how I can to help promote the tourist industry. These people survived only to see their source of income "tourists" leave completely.

2.) Reach out into the surrounding communities to do what I can to help them a. raise money. b. rebuild. c. clearing. I have worked on a ranch clearing trees. I've done construction work, and many other odd jobs. While I'm no super-releif worker. I am young, healthy, fit and wanting to help however I can. The large AID organizations are raising the money to help with the major things and to help out in the worst off of areas. I feel like I can still do some good for communities or families on a smaller scale. By keeping my journal of pictures I can show my family, friends and sponsors where and who there money is going to support and possibly raise more money for these victims.


I understand the last thing anyone wants is some green Yankee running around getting in the way of things. Always appreciate your comments.

P.S. No I don't speak Thai, but am fully willing to learn what I can to help. I don't think you need to speak fluent Thai to help a family rebuild their home, or comfort an injured child.

[B3NKobe]

I don't want to be banned from this site... but how can poeple just be allow to say want they want? Surely that gives me the right too.
look i was just trying to stop you guys from starting a fight of whites/blacks leading onto racism! im not a mod, so if you want to say your opinion go right ahead thats fine...

[B3NKobe]

Pomme, I see your points, but I have no intent on going deep into the places where the last thing they need is another mouth to feed when there already isn't enough food. My goal is to go to a place like Phuket that was a major tourist destination, and where most of the facilities are almost rebuilt but they have lost the number of tourists 100%. So my trip would serve two purposes.

1.) Be a tourist. I would need to rent a room and buy food from local shops and businesses. I would also keep an online journal / photo journal to help sell how beautiful it is there and try how I can to help promote the tourist industry. These people survived only to see their source of income "tourists" leave completely.

2.) Reach out into the surrounding communities to do what I can to help them a. raise money. b. rebuild. c. clearing. I have worked on a ranch clearing trees. I've done construction work, and many other odd jobs. While I'm no super-releif worker. I am young, healthy, fit and wanting to help however I can. The large AID organizations are raising the money to help with the major things and to help out in the worst off of areas. I feel like I can still do some good for communities or families on a smaller scale. By keeping my journal of pictures I can show my family, friends and sponsors where and who there money is going to support and possibly raise more money for these victims.


I understand the last thing anyone wants is some green Yankee running around getting in the way of things. Always appreciate your comments.

P.S. No I don't speak Thai, but am fully willing to learn what I can to help. I don't think you need to speak fluent Thai to help a family rebuild their home, or comfort an injured child.
Thats really nice man, youv got a really positive attitude for going over & helping the people who need it most. I also dont think youll need to learn alot of Thai, alot of people speak english these days so its not like your in WW2 going into Japan! Well anyone if you go, good luck and well done on helping...

[robster]

I am really having a hard time with this.

My friend just got back from Thailand, where he attended funerals for family and friends. I didn't suffer such a loss as his, and there is a certain amount of guilt - or something - that I was spared this tragedy. I didn't lose most of my family, I will get to eat a good meal tonight, and I will get to sleep in a comfortable bed.

Giving money just doesn't seem enough (Care (http://www.careusa.org/) was my choice). I, too, want to go over there and truly help. I used to build houses to get me through college, so I can actually contribute a practical skill. But would I be just another person in the way? What IS the solution for someone who feels they need to help more?

Prettyboy: Not sure what to think of your proposal. You really should sport your own ticket and expenses and let other people's money go to the organizations which can provide immediate food & medicine. Hunger & disease are serious threats on a scale that we may not comprehend. Tourist dollars will do little at this point. Plan on a tourist trip maybe in 6-8 months. If you want a guide, my friend may return to Thailand and you could go with him (we're in Santa Barbara).

And to all those who might say something disparaging about Americans. When our President said only $350 Million, believe me, many of us shouted back saying "Send More!". And what our government doesn't come up with, the private citizens & businesses will. We may not be perfect, our goverment may not always properly represent us, but make no mistake - for the most part we ARE good people, and we care deeply about others, no matter the color of their skin.

A related note: It seems that the citizens of Norway, Sweden & Denmark are the most giving of all people on the planet, with more money per person donated privately. Brits, Aussies, & Americans are near the top of the list too. This is not taking into account money given by the respective governments.

[DariusMonsef]

Prettyboy: Not sure what to think of your proposal. You really should sport your own ticket and expenses and let other people's money go to the organizations which can provide immediate food & medicine. Hunger & disease are serious threats on a scale that we may not comprehend. Tourist dollars will do little at this point. Plan on a tourist trip maybe in 6-8 months. If you want a guide, my friend may return to Thailand and you could go with him (we're in Santa Barbara).

I understand what you are saying. I don't intend to take any money away from any of the aid and charity organizations. I hope to solicit sponsorship money from friends and family who have already given or might not otherwise. Once there I'll be able to show them where there money is going, by posting pictures of the people and communities I help. I may even be able to get some people to donate more money when they can see the people it is getting to.

[DariusMonsef]

"Thank you for your kind email. The biggest thing you can do is to actually maintain your travel plans and come to Phuket. The clean-up and recovery are well underway here, however the economic devastation is expanding as Tourists cancel their travel plans. Your travel to Phuket would help keep people employed and businesses alive. "
Secretary - Rotary Club of Patong Beach

This is a response I recieved from the Local Rotary Club in Phuket.

[B3NKobe]

This is a response I recieved from the Local Rotary Club in Phuket.
hmm very interesting! Go for it son...!

[Vexir]

Hrm, just going off on a tangent here, but I just pictured Kirupa setting up a hamster/mongoose emergency energy for the needy stand. o.O

[robster]

Tourist dollars will do little at this point. Plan on a tourist trip maybe in 6-8 months. prettyboy: I respectfully retract my statement. Good luck on your trip - wish I could go with you.

[DariusMonsef]

robster, no worries. I appreciate your concerns as they help me solidify what I am doing and how to explain it.

I'm working on creating an information portal for my travel: http://dariusmonsef.com/blog/

Also on there is a link to a site with some interesting information about the tourism industry in Phuket.

[Coogie84]

look i was just trying to stop you guys from starting a fight of whites/blacks leading onto racism! im not a mod, so if you want to say your opinion go right ahead thats fine...
Well in my personal opinion I believe there has already been a racist comment which has just been over looked. I was was under the impression that racism wasn't allow on this board but I must be wrong.

[Coogie84]

Look I don't want people getting me wrong... like I have said if he had use his words differently I wouldn't of been offended by his racist comment.

I actually agree with the comment that he made. It is amazing that so many people have given so much money to this disaster but seem to forget that all year round people need money and aid.

[Pomme_]

Trolling is bad. :evil:

[mlk]

Look I don't want people getting me wrong... like I have said if he had use his words differently I wouldn't of been offended by his racist comment.

I actually agree with the comment that he made. It is amazing that so many people have given so much money to this disaster but seem to forget that all year round people need money and aid.

Hey mate, why don't you just go on with it ? We don't CARE about that anymore? Pomme_s been here longer than you and even though his political opinions differ widely from most people on the board it's at the complete opposite end of xenophobia. Move on.

Now Ethan that's what I was telling on earlier in the thread, people over there more than money need tourists to come back to get their long term economic integrity back.

[B3NKobe]

Well in my personal opinion I believe there has already been a racist comment which has just been over looked. I was was under the impression that racism wasn't allow on this board but I must be wrong.
Well I obviously didnt see the racist comment, look i just didnt want you guys to start a fight, now lets leave it at that http://www.kirupa.com/forum/images/smilies/nervous.gif!

Now whats this topics thread about again? oh yeah the tsanami, anyway back on that, the reason why there was a rush of money going towards the aid was because it was a loss of a VERY large amount of people in something that happens very rarly, sure there are thousands that die out there everyday from starvation and i dont think that problem will ever be solved in this large world, and besides i always see ad's on tv asking for people to sponsor a child in a poverty country such as ethiopia.....

[B3NKobe]

Hey mate, why don't you just go on with it ? We don't CARE about that anymore? Pomme_s been here longer than you and even though his political opinions differ widely from most people on the board it's at the complete opposite end of xenophobia. Move on.

Now Ethan that's what I was telling on earlier in the thread, people over there more than money need tourists to come back to get their long term economic integrity back.
Yeah agree'd with out the tourism they dont have their tiny business booming with money, they live on tourism over there, its where there main infrustructer comes from...

[Coogie84]

Now whats this topics thread about again? oh yeah the tsanami, anyway back on that, the reason why there was a rush of money going towards the aid was because it was a loss of a VERY large amount of people in something that happens very rarly, sure there are thousands that die out there everyday from starvation and i dont think that problem will ever be solved in this large world, and besides i always see ad's on tv asking for people to sponsor a child in a poverty country such as ethiopia.....
Well the biggest problem is we don't read about it everyday in our Newspapers and see it on our TV screen but then the newspaper/newsreporters know that that doesn't really sell. It's much better having a celebrity story on your front page then a story about people starving to death...

[B3NKobe]

Actually you summed that up really well! Thats true, its because starvation is an everyday on going problem and its been around for years, but the tsnami as big as the one we just had is pretty much a one of thing for a fair few years but hopefully never again.

[Pomme_]

hopefully never again.
... I wouldn't count on that.
food for thought: Rousseau once said about the earthquake in Lisboa (Portugal) - with retrospection, it was a tsunami - that the reason there are many deaths is because of the cluttering of people.
The more people in an area, the more likely there will be a high amount of deaths... logical, ne? As the world population is still rising fast in many regions of the world (estimation by 2050: between 8 (low estimate) and 12 billion people (high estimate) , source (http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/idbnew.html) ), the risks of having a high amount of deaths is still growing. Hopefully, the alert systems would be in place though, preventing such an horrific event.

[Skinny_T]

Yeah but there really isn't a whole lot we can do about our growing population. We might not even make it to 2050.

[DariusMonsef]

Banda Aceh - Before and After

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it's 100k and no preloader so jsut wait for it.

[B3NKobe]

Man thats BIG, theres a big difference when you look at that before & after shot, it just shows how much devistation the waves caused to the small islands and beaches....

Skinny_T - Yeah thats true to, i have my doubts if we'll reach it to 2050, although it would be good if we do because ill only be 68! i still got lots of living to do! :D:D

[DariusMonsef]

Since a new page was started with my alst post... I wanted more to see this.


Banda Aceh - Before and After

width=605 height=364

it's 100k and no preloader so jsut wait for it.

[Skinny_T]

wow, thats amazing! Prettyboy, where did you find that, wouldn't mind a link.

[Macro-design]

?? I don't know who or what you consider rich, but I know I cannot afford 5 000 euros for anyone. Not even my mother. People live in a crazy world.



Sorry about that one, I guess you're thinking, oh no, not one of these spoiled kids, that in an age of 7 drives a Ferrari. But I'm not, I'm just kind of - trying not to sound too self absurd - pretty successful. I got a job in an Hugo Boss store, here in Denmark, I go to school, AND, I have my own company. Well I hope that explains it all.



@Coogie84



I'm sorry about that one too - and I'm also sorry that I didn't look here again, before this went faaar out of line - I'm trying really hard to se what racial issue I've brought up, by saying white people, in a discussion about a tsnuami. But I didn't attend to upset or frustrate anybody. Maybe I didn't chose my words with enough care, be cause I'm - in Denmark at least - trying to fight racism with all there is in my power. One of my best friends is from Iraq, my boss ( form Hugo Boss ) who has also become a very good friend, is Italian, myself, I'm Danish, and the last thing I want, is too look like a racist.



Well, to make it short, I'm not a racist, I didn't mean anything racial within my comment, and if you want, I can delete that part of my former message. Hope you get what I’m trying to say

[DariusMonsef]

wow, thats amazing! Prettyboy, where did you find that, wouldn't mind a link.

I found two sattelite pictures and I made it. It's on my blog at www.dariusmonsef.com/blog/


In other news... I'm going to Thailand! As mentioned in my other thread my car was having some problems... so I sold it and when I get my cash for it tomorrow I'm buying my tickets. I plan to leave around Feb 1st and stay there 2 months or as long as my money will carry me.

[Ectheo]

I'm going to Thailand!
Good job, man. I hope to see lots of pictures of it, and hopefully I can pass the site around at my school to get more people to donate (almost everyone I talk to has no plans to donate, atm, unfortunately.). As "bad" as this may sound, try and enjoy yourself. This may be a trip at time following a massive natural disaster, but it's still a trip.