Nintendo DS

[mdipi]

My neighbor just got a Nintendo DS and since my brother is best friends with him, i got to take it for a test drive. I have never been this dissapointed with Nintendo EVER ;(.

First of all the dual screens really isnt needed, i was playing Super Mario 64 DS on it, the map was at the botom and the gameplay on top, it was kind of a waste IMO.

Second is the controls they are set up really wierd.



POWER Select Start
X
D-Pad BOTTOM SCREEN Y A
B


Thats pretty much the best i could draw it, but its a really weird setup, and unlike the GC controler, I had a really hard time getting used to this one.

I really have nothing good to say about this, other than its a good thing i didnt buy one.

Sony PSP here i come!

[T-O]

doh... It takes a whole to get used to but I sure after a while it will be fine!


now stop *****ing about the controls how was the game it self :P Couldn't you just adapt the control like you wanted to?

[Krilnon]

http://dsmedia.ign.com/ds/image/article/555/555487/nintendo-ds-in-our-hands-20041007110515888-000.jpg

Sorry mdipi, but your "drawing" is pretty bad.

[mdipi]

Not really krilon - i have the power button, then the d-pad under that, i said botom screen, then select, start, and the buttons under that...how is that bad?

The game wasnt half bad, I just didnt like the hardware.

[DevDreamer]

My DS is fine, not to mention I love it! Screw PSP, DS all the way.

[Kristopher]

I dont know what I'd get if I was still into buying gaming stuff (too old now :( ). I just played my friends DS about 5 minutes ago, and I was impressed actually. Metroid was pretty sweet. Plus, it's N64 games - which are some of the best imo :).

The PSP though... I just like the tradional layout better....



Anyways, the DS controls were pretty confortable after about 15 minutes or so of playing it. It wasn't that crazy.

[joso]

im never touching a sony product again in my life, i hope the PSP flunks like something has never flunked before. :pleased:

i had to settle for a ltd. edition ZELDA gameboy advance SP cause the DS doesn't hit the stores till midway through next year over here :(

[T-O]

My DS is fine, not to mention I love it! Screw PSP, DS all the way.


Excilent!! :beer:

[gaming monkey]

im never touching a sony product again in my life, i hope the PSP flunks like something has never flunked before. :pleased:

i had to settle for a ltd. edition ZELDA gameboy advance SP cause the DS doesn't hit the stores till midway through next year over here :(Mwahaha, I also live in Wales and I've imported mine from www.importmadness.com (http://www.importmadness.com/) (quite cheap as well). I think it's going to arrive in about three weeks, that's why I've sold my gba sp (:( ) so I would have enough for the ds!

I...can't....wait...

[Coppertop]

Pshhh. Screw you guys, I'm getting a new computer. :pleased:

My thoughts on DS:

The writing is kinda cool, but I can't think of many games that could use it. So is all the wireless stuff. That's pretty dandy, but I'm not going to get it for the same reason I don't buy consoles: PC is better. The controls are so much easier, and if a new game comes out, I can just upgrade if that's what is nessessary.

[berkoWitZ]

all the people who said in here that the DS is good sounded too fanboy-ish :D

I love nintendo games but the PSP sounds better, MUCH better..... I´ll say my not fanboy-ish opinion later ;)

[Butters]

im never touching a sony product again in my life, i hope the PSP flunks like something has never flunked before. :pleased:
Heh, somehow I doubt that ever happening.

I dont like the look of the DS, I hate the flip lid thing.

The PSP looks so much more 'grown-up' and will probably have better games. I'd much rather buy one compared to the DS. Seriously, Need for Speed Underground or Mario? Urmmmm... Need for Speed!

Nintendo always get beaten by something else, and the DS probably wont be any different.

I'd love to watch Nintendo **** everyone else over, but its not gonna happen.

Mario sucks.

[mdipi]

Well after playing it for a bit more, you get used to it if you think about what button you are pressing, then its cool.

Considering PSP wont drop until Spring, and the DS isnt as bad as i thought it was I am thinking about buying it, i mean how can you pass up Zelda and Mario? You really cant.

I still think the PSP is going to blow it out of the water, but i might go with the DS just for the game lineup instead of the beefy system.

[Butters]

I can pass up Zelda and Mario, I hate them both.

If I was gonna buy a PSP, id get one in December shipped from Japan, they are region free so you can play games you buy here :)

The PSP will own the DS when its out everywhere, just like the PS2 did to the GC. and the PS1 to the N64. Sure the GC and N64 were good, but Sony just whiped them up the ***, so did Microsoft, the XBox still beat the GC.

[mdipi]

I can pass up Zelda and Mario, I hate them both.

If I was gonna buy a PSP, id get one in December shipped from Japan, they are region free so you can play games you buy here :)

The PSP will own the DS when its out everywhere, just like the PS2 did to the GC. and the PS1 to the N64. Sure the GC and N64 were good, but Sony just whiped them up the ***, so did Microsoft, the XBox still beat the GC.

True - but i dont read Japanise :-/

[T-O]

Well after playing it for a bit more, you get used to it if you think about what button you are pressing, then its cool.

Considering PSP wont drop until Spring, and the DS isnt as bad as i thought it was I am thinking about buying it, i mean how can you pass up Zelda and Mario? You really cant.

I still think the PSP is going to blow it out of the water, but i might go with the DS just for the game lineup instead of the beefy system.

There's still one thing Sony is being really silent over. it's the battery life. They still havn't released the bentchmark for the avrage batterylife. It's between 10 hours and 2. But Realisticly More like 6 hours game playing. We'll see if they deside to release it. don't matter they have allot of time to tweak the software to get the most out of the battery. :P

DS has also a 10 to 6 hours playing time.

[dreeft]

I don't know how you guys get enough time to play portable systems...

I play my xbox/gc/ps2 at home, sleep and go to work. I guess you play it on the bus to school? :D

[grinch]

I think that DS is a piece... I was playing with it, whats the point of the pen? Jesus...

PSP will rock it outta the water...

@dreeft - yeah bro, I play on those long car rides, school, school bus, and wherever... But consoles take up atleast 10 hours a day ;)

[gonzales]

There's still one thing Sony is being really silent over. it's the battery life. They still havn't released the bentchmark for the avrage batterylife. It's between 10 hours and 2. But Realisticly More like 6 hours game playing. We'll see if they deside to release it. don't matter they have allot of time to tweak the software to get the most out of the battery. :P

DS has also a 10 to 6 hours playing time.

the new EGM has an article on the PSP vs the DS. i think they said the PSP had a battery life of about 4 hours playing games and about 2.5 watching movies. EGM actually gave the DS a better score than the PSP... personally they both look pretty lame.

[thoriphes]

personally they both look pretty lame.lol just as this thread was about to erupt into a flame war :P

comparing sony and nintendo is like comparing apples and oranges. different types of apples, different types of oranges. there's no point arguing between the PSP or DS. it's not going to get anywhere.

[grinch]

On the contrary thor, I think psp and ds is a perfect discussion! Good comparison. Your post is like saying, why compare xbox and ps2? Or xbox and GC? I mean, there both new handheld systems, with different features which appeal to different tastes. Thats just my 2 cents ;)

[thoriphes]

yeah, that's exactly my point grinch. and you're right, each system appeals to different people who have different tastes.

[B3NKobe]

Im not a fan of the Nintendo DS purly because im more a Xbox or PS2 person, so I would be more likly to buy the Sony PSP instead of the DS. Another thing is that Nintendo these days seems to have alot of pathetic game you know the Marios & Pokemons, where as the PSP has more enjoyable games which vary in all different types not just kiddie games. Although the DS does look pretty sweet in design and also will have Metroid on it the PSP design and the ability to play movies on it impresses me much more.

And after iv written all that id have to say that im not going to buy either of the 2, Im going to stay with my Xbox and Halo, But what would make me buy a handheld game consol would be if they were to build it into a mobile phone im not talking about the Nokia NGage either thats pathetic! But if they made a nice Sony Ericson with the PSP built into it, then Id buy that ---- in the meantime i hope PSP wins!

[T-O]

the new EGM has an article on the PSP vs the DS. i think they said the PSP had a battery life of about 4 hours playing games and about 2.5 watching movies. EGM actually gave the DS a better score than the PSP... personally they both look pretty lame.

yep... There's a whole mistery around the batterylife. The official specs where 10 to 6 hours(not even official).. but 4 is WAY to short. My brother also thinks it's going to be around 5/4 hours. because reading those nice disks will take allot of power.


Let's do say.. There are no licence games for the PSP. That means the game producerer are saying they could make the same game for an other handheld. You think there are no other handhelds :P But then you havn't been to japan.

[DevDreamer]

Heh, somehow I doubt that ever happening.

I dont like the look of the DS, I hate the flip lid thing.

The PSP looks so much more 'grown-up' and will probably have better games. I'd much rather buy one compared to the DS. Seriously, Need for Speed Underground or Mario? Urmmmm... Need for Speed!

Nintendo always get beaten by something else, and the DS probably wont be any different.

I'd love to watch Nintendo **** everyone else over, but its not gonna happen.

Mario sucks.
Face it, Nintendo has ALWAYS won in hand held compitions. It beat out the Game Gear, and it dominated over the N-gage. Its just the Console wars that Nintendo has never been succesful in. Not to mention Nintendo went back to Cartridges which cuts loading time in half. PSP on the other hand is using discs, which takes massive amounts of batteries and loading time. And its Sonys first hand held ever. I love Sony and there products, but in my opinion, they're gonna need a miracle to beat out the DS.

[Butters]

Yes, but the Nintendo was like the best console type, then the PS1 came along and owned it, and yes, it was Sony's first console back then too, just like the PSP is their first hand-held now.

Sure Nintendo has always win in hand held stuff, but its only ever been up against what...the Game Gear?

People will go mad for the PSP, it WILL **** Nintendo over, seriously, NFS:U vs Mario, I dunno about you, but id much rather play NFS:U, and I think alot of other ppl will aswel.

Nintendo always makes consoles and hand helds only to be badly beaten when other companies like Sony and Microsoft join the party (btw I don't like Microsoft whatsoever, but the XBox is way better than the GameCube)

[Disco-Stu]

Butters, I disagree.

You don't realize how many people out there buy the DS for their NON-GAMER kids.
The main customer for the DS is going to be parents buying them for X-mas. I worked at Best Buy for 6 months, and during the holiday season when the GBA's first came out and they sold like hotcakes to parents; not gamer nerds. I think the PSP's battery life issues are going to cause it some big problems. Anyone remember why the Game Gear failed? Because it ate up 6 AA's in about 4 hours. I own all 3 current consoles, and my list goes as follows:

1) Xbox
2) PS2 / Gamecube

Xbox just has it for me. The controller S is too perfect, and the quality of the games feels 10x above PS2. The PS2 has some good games, but not enough. FFX, FFXII (soon), Xenosaga, GTA series, and maybe Devil May Cry. That's all really. Maybe the Jak series, but it wasn't anything too special. Gamecube has a very limited selection, but they are some good *** games (Metriod Prime, Zelda: Windwaker, F-Zero, Resident Evil games, Eternal Darkness). All the cross-platform games are way better on Xbox too. Hell, the Xbox right now is doing slightly better than the PS2 in America, but is losing out in total sales because the Xbox hasn't caught on in the Japanese markets.

And if I had the choice of NFS:U or Mario 64 DS? I'd definitly take Mario 64 DS. NFS:U will look like *** on a handheld, and plus, I want to have all the options. I'll take that for a home console system. Mario 64 was AWESOME, and the DS version is vastly improved. And I'm probobly not even picking up a portable system....

[Mik3]

I just bought my DS, which is amazing because I was such a fan of the PSP... Until I played the DS. Wow, I love it. I think the controls are amazing. I'm really looking forward to the first person shooters on this thing.

P.S. Gamestop gave me $75 for my gamecube w/ extra controller (Never played it... almost brand new condition, I played it probably 13 times...)
And they gave me $85 for my really old Playstation 2 (Used to play it, years ago. Wasn't in that great condition, but still got $85 for it!)
Then, I sold a couple of my remaining PS2 games, leaving me with enough to buy a DS and $0.73 change. My DS was practically free. :ne: Also, I read online that you can get $150 store credit if you trade in a used PS2 with 5 non-sports games, the PS2 manual and box at Gamestop. (<I would greatly recommend doing that!)

I was really going to save my money for the PSP, but I fell in love with the DS. Nintendo put so much work into every little detail of it, it's truly amazing. I'm addicted to Metroid Hunters (Yes, the demo :?) ) I can't wait till Goldeneye comes out!

This is the first time I chose the game system for the fact that it's much more entertaining, not more powerful. I mean, c'mon, the PSP is way more powerful. Yet, the DS, in my opinion, is so much more fun. I've never had this much fun with a game system ever. (As you could tell above, I would buy a system and only play it for a while [or with friends]) The DS is so fun to play by yourself, and if you want to have a LAN party with this thing all you have to do is go to Starbucks or other hang-out places.

Good job, Nintendo! To tell you the truth I was bashing the DS until I used it. Now I can't stop playing it! First time I've gotten addicted to a game other than Counter-Strike.

Great to have a fun gaming console come out with fun games. (Psh, Halo 2 sucked! Oh well, there are a ton of other great XBOX games, too!)

This is what I thought about when I was deciding on which to buy (first.):
PSP is more like a Playstation 2 inside a controller.
DS is like a whole new experience!

However, once the PSP has been out for a while and developers make (new) games, other than sequals and ports, I will buy it. ( I mean, the PSP is just so powerful! )

To me, I thought that if I were to buy the PSP it would end up like my other consoles... Only played a few times. I wanted something new, something I would really enjoy. For me, for the first time, it was about fun and not power.

[Mik3]

yep... There's a whole mistery around the batterylife. The official specs where 10 to 6 hours(not even official).. but 4 is WAY to short. My brother also thinks it's going to be around 5/4 hours. because reading those nice disks will take allot of power.


Let's do say.. There are no licence games for the PSP. That means the game producerer are saying they could make the same game for an other handheld. You think there are no other handhelds :P But then you havn't been to japan.

I would guess around 2 hours. Third parties will fix that, though. And yeah, in Japan we have tons of handhelds. They're everywhere. But the only thing better than the consoles are the cell phones. If you want a cell phone priced around the same ammount as the cell phones here, except they have built in Internet, GPS, Tracking, Speaker Phone, Organizers, 3d Games, touchscreens, and... well, pretty much everything... then go to Japan. However, you don't see Japanese cell phones in america because they tend to not work with any other service other than the service sold in Japan.


...Mario sucks.
Haha, it was good when it was 2d though!


True - but i dont read Japanise :-/
I don't get why Japan doesn't just switch to English. They already learn it in school, and it's not like Japanese is spoken elsewhere than Japan.

[Mik3]

...Mario sucks.
Haha, it was good when it was 2d though!

[Butters]

Hmmmm, I guess your right Disco-Stu, id still rather play NFS:U tho, I hate Mario. It sucked in 2d aswel t3h t3rminator :P

Iv not used either, but I think the PSP just has that huge fan base from the PS2, ALOT of people who have a PS2 will go out and buy a PSP, its the most popular console, and im sure the handheld will do well too.

However, the DS has one huge advantage - the before Christmas release, they are gonna rake it in, they could sell enough to make it impossible for the PSP to catch up.

Im not sure tho, we will have to see what happens when the PSP comes out.

[Mik3]

Hmmmm, I guess your right Disco-Stu, id still rather play NFS:U tho, I hate Mario. It sucked in 2d aswel t3h t3rminator :P

Iv not used either, but I think the PSP just has that huge fan base from the PS2, ALOT of people who have a PS2 will go out and buy a PSP, its the most popular console, and im sure the handheld will do well too.

However, the DS has one huge advantage - the before Christmas release, they are gonna rake it in, they could sell enough to make it impossible for the PSP to catch up.

Im not sure tho, we will have to see what happens when the PSP comes out.
I think Nintendo will survive depending if it sells more than Sony or not, Nintendo has a very strong fanbase, and a large one at that. The Christmas release was a great idea! Too bad you're wrong about Mario sucking in 2d! haha :crazy:

I think that the PSP is awesome, as well. It's crazy powerful -- and you gotta love that huge screen!

[MikeReyes]

Dude the PSP is gonna pwn the DS

[Mik3]

Dude the PSP is gonna pwn the DS
What an information-filled post. :ponder:

[splict]

I've been thinking about getting a DS for christmas, so any more opinions by people who have used one would be appreciated.

I like the fact that you can play old games with it and thats a big selling point for me. One thing I am curious about is whether or not you can play gb/c/a games in two player mode over the wireless network (probably not) or if the games have to be specifically coded for that (probably). If not, that kinda sucks.

Another good thing about the ds is the price point - the psp may just be too expensive for some people.

[Butters]

If Sony make the PSP slightly cheaper, and really get that battery life up, then they will rake it in, and it will skullf*ck the DS.

Im not sure though, I reckon the PSP will come out on top. Microsoft will want a piece of the pie too, Halo 2 on a handheld? People will go crazy for that!

[grimdeath]

Well for starters you people cant start making comparisons because the DS is out and teh PSP isnt yet so its all speculation about the PSP up till this point. I can tell you that i HATE nintendo with all my heart and when i saw the DS on display my jaw dropped i was impressed with the graphics i was seeing on that tiny screen i really think the 2 screens is an extra waste of batery life im still to see it put to good use the only thing ive seen it used for so far is for maps.

I was impressed but that doesnt mean im gonna buy a portable console i wont even purchase a psp i have no use for purchasing a handheld console, im too busy driving :-/ and doing other stuff i barely play my xbox which is my favorite console at the moment, and the last game i played on my PS2 was transformers and now MGS3SE and my crapcube was last turned on to play RE:0 id rather spend that money on a ipaq or soething more productable, i think ive outgrown videogames or im in the process of outgrowing them :(

[Mik3]

If Sony make the PSP slightly cheaper, and really get that battery life up, then they will rake it in, and it will skullf*ck the DS.

Im not sure though, I reckon the PSP will come out on top. Microsoft will want a piece of the pie too, Halo 2 on a handheld? People will go crazy for that!
Microsoft would NEVER put Halo 2 on a console other than theres. They're way too stubborn.

And the price/battery life isn't the whole thing as I posted in a different post. I simply don't compare them together. The DS is such a different console than we've ever seen it doesn't even seem to be comparable to the PSP. The PSP is more like a traditional handheld, moving right into how we all would expect a 3d excellerated handheld to go. If we all had the right people working for us then I'm sure we would make something like the PSP, however, the DS is something we wouldn't think of. It's so different.

In Japan DS sales are way higher than PSP sales, polls show DS is more liked, still there aren't as many PSP preorders as there were DS preorders. Japan loves the originality of new things, hence why their cell phones have odd things that we would think "Why the heck would you need that?" So I do believe that Nintendo will live on strong in Japan as they always have. Also, video games in america tend to be more popular with kids and teens. In Japan it's popular with the average after-work business man.

[Butters]

Microsoft would NEVER put Halo 2 on a console other than theres. They're way too stubborn.
Yea I know, I ment that Microsoft might bring out a hand-held console of their own after the XBox 2 is released.

[valay5]

The Nintendo DS is pretty good, but Pictochat is **** stupid right now. What's the point of talking to yourself? Also, how it has to refresh every two seconds is kind of annoying.(The system has to shutdown).

Other then that, I am highly impressed. The graphics are great, and I'm sure Nintendo will have better games in the near future.

[B3NKobe]

Yea I know, I ment that Microsoft might bring out a hand-held console of their own after the XBox 2 is released.
I dont think that Microsoft will bring out a handheld after the Xbox 2 is released, I mean by that time Mobile Phones will be beginning to produce much better graphiced games.....Although Microsoft may team up with a phone company such as Nokia as a team and build a handheld mobile phone, mp3 player, movie player, digi camera all in one.....but still you never know....

[elion]

Just remember everyone, your probably not going to sway anyones opinions here, cause everyone has different tastes in games, etc. NFS:U doesn't appeal me in the LEAST bit, not to mention how terrible it'll probably look, not to mention the lack of time a PSP can hold out, and oh look, I'm repeating what everyone else had already said ;(

ANYWAY, go ahead and keep arguing, it's fun stuff to read. :love:

[GW02]

Bah.

DS:
Great price, great battery life, but the second screen's been absolutely useless and the only game worth playing is SM64DS, and no good ones on the horizon either.

PSP:
Great price, awesome graphics, and a potentially awesome-looking lineup. Criterion's signed up for Burnout, there's MGS Ac!d, and that NFS thing that I really don't care about. It'll be interesting watching what Square does-- DS or PSP? The graphics are FAR better than the DS's, and the DS was already fairly amazing. I mean, we're comparing N64-era graphics to near-PS2-era graphics here, for a price that's approx. $30 more. Battery, though, looks dead. They claim 10 hours but that's not gonna happen.

To sum up:
DS is a great handheld with a great price, but the second screen was wasted effort and the game lineup isn't all that hot.
PSP is looking absolutely amazing, with amazing graphics, a promising lineup, but a dead battery.

I pick PSP. I've learned how to deal with short battery lives with my PDA.

[gonzales]

PSP:
Great price, awesome graphics, and a potentially awesome-looking lineup.

everything ive read has said the PSP going to retail for around $300. $300??!! who is willing to pay $300 for a portable game system? thats what the n-gage retails for and look how that thing did...

[GW02]

Um.

It's selling in Japan for the equivalent of $180USD. Linky. (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/10/27/news_6111570.html)

And the nGage was $500 for a poorly planned, poorly realized piece of hardware. (-:

[gonzales]

oh snap!!

$180 is not bad!

:toad:

[T-O]

Um.

It's selling in Japan for the equivalent of $180USD. Linky. (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/10/27/news_6111570.html)

And the nGage was $500 for a poorly planned, poorly realized piece of hardware. (-:

What something cost in japan and what it will cost in the US are two differnt things.

[Butters]

Yeah, but all you are lucky, everything in the UK is much more expensive.

I belive that there are currently $2 in £1. That sucks, double the price!

You can get a PSP from Japan for $169, and it will be region free, so you can play all the games from the US (or UK).

[mdipi]

Yeah, but all you are lucky, everything in the UK is much more expensive.

I belive that there are currently $2 in £1. That sucks, double the price!

You can get a PSP from Japan for $169, and it will be region free, so you can play all the games from the US (or UK).

Thats great if you can speak Japanese...as we stated earlier in the thread.

I dont know who asked on the last page, but the DS will only be able to play DS games and GBA games, so no GB, GBC games :-/

[zao]

Bah, backwards compatibility is only so "cool" anyways. I just sold my SP and GBA with all my games on ebay, almost got $200 for it. I will probably get a DS later this year, there just aren't enough games out right now to really spark my interest. Though I would love to get one now, I just have more important things to buy with my money at the moment.

I will probably get a PSP also, there really isn't a fanboy inside of me, whatever is cool I will play it. It has nothing to do with Nintendo loyalty, or Sony loyalty. Though so far, DS has been outscoring the PSP.

[GW02]

What something cost in japan and what it will cost in the US are two differnt things.

Well sure, but it's a very good gauge for the approximate price we'll get stateside. They'll probably bump it up to $199 for that darn psychological max-out effect that everything has to end in 99.

[prit]

Heh, somehow I doubt that ever happening.

I dont like the look of the DS, I hate the flip lid thing.

The PSP looks so much more 'grown-up' and will probably have better games. I'd much rather buy one compared to the DS. Seriously, Need for Speed Underground or Mario? Urmmmm... Need for Speed!

Nintendo always get beaten by something else, and the DS probably wont be any different.

I'd love to watch Nintendo **** everyone else over, but its not gonna happen.

Mario sucks.:mario:
First, you may not like the flip part, but Nintendo isn't stupid. The original GBA (not the SP) had a layout similar to the PSP. The main problem was that the screen was ruined from scratches, fingerprints, etc (not to mention it was really hard to see without massive light). So, SP comes out, and the bright screen is protected. Sony is stupid. They brag about their 4.3 inch screen (or whatever the dimentions are), but one trip out of a pocket of a pair of jeans could easily scratch the screen...since its bigger than the DS's screens, thats just more to get damaged.
Second, Mario saved the video game industry. You know it, unless you're one of those Playstation Generation kids. Sure, Luigi's Mansion (not Mario) and Mario Sunshine weren't the greatest games, but I'll bet 10 bucks that you've never played them, either. Mario games are NEVER bad. Ever. Plus, as always, EA has Nintendo's back. What does that mean? Need for Speed Underground for DS. Lemme repeat that: Need for Speed Underground will be avaliable for the DS. It was in Nintendo Power's list of games for the DS.

I've played Metroid: First Hunt on multiplayer. I found it to be as enjoyable as Halo 2. The graphics aren't great, but the controls are SO simple that its not hard to jump right in. It will take a few minutes to get used to, but like was previously said, 15 minutes max.

And the PSP's joystick...its a big POS (or should i say tiny ;). Sorry, but it is.

PSP can play movies. Great. But, tests have shown that the battery life can't handle a Lord of the Rings movie. Sure, you can watch shorter movies, but if you want to play a movie and a game, you're screwed. You might as well have the PSP constantly plugged into a wall. And who wants to buy a movie on DVD and another one for the PSP? Unless they're like 3 bucks, I wouldn't...DVD's have a much bigger screen (usually, depending on TV size) and can have surround sound like Dolby's 5.1, plus their ever-changing setups.

And guys, how many other portable handhelds have lost to the big N? All competitors (cell phones haven't; but they can also call people). How about that thing called the GameGear? It looks like the PSP...better graphics than the Game Boy's were, but the battery life blew more than Hurricane Ivan.

And, with Nintendo making over 20 games for the DS, how can the PSP have better games? Imagine Zelda for DS...to go along with the GameCube version in Fall 2005??? One word...Amazing.:link:

And guys, Square has already started on some DS games. But, they're only working on a few games for the PSP...not to mention that Nintendo originally had the Final Fantasy games (FF 1 and 2 rereleased for GBA! YAY!!!) :P

:mario: :egg: :kir: :yoshi: :link: :luigi: :toad:

[zao]

lets compare the N64 to the PS2... ... ...its really hard to see a visual difference

That has to be the most interesting thing I have ever heard. That's like saying you can't see the difference between half-life 2, and the original...c'mon.


PSP can play movies. Great. But, tests have shown that the battery life can't handle a Lord of the Rings movie. Sure, you can watch shorter movies, but if you want to play a movie and a game, you're screwed. You might as well have the PSP constantly plugged into a wall. And who wants to buy a movie on DVD and another one for the PSP? Unless they're like 3 bucks, I wouldn't...DVD's have a much bigger screen (usually, depending on TV size) and can have surround sound like Dolby's 5.1, plus their ever-changing setups.

I'm sure studies might also show that people don't want to look at a 4 inch screen watching a 3:30 hour movie. Also, why make the reference that you can watch a DVD on a television with 5.1, yea that's nice, but is your home entertainment system portable? No? Ok, thought so.


And guys, Square has already started on some DS games. But, they're not working on ANY games for the PSP

http://www.gamespot.com/psp/rpg/finalfantasyviiadventchildren/index.html?tag=mp_2to9

http://www.gamespot.com/psp/rpg/crisiscorefinalfantasyvii/index.html?tag=mp_2to9

(that's odd!!!!!)


And guys, how many other portable handhelds have lost to the big N? All competitors (cell phones haven't; but they can also call people). How about that thing called the GameGear? It looks like the PSP...better graphics than the Game Boy's were, but the battery life blew more than Hurricane Ivan.

The gamegear looks nothing like the PSP. Ofcourse the battery life wasn't up to par with what gameboy's was...and is that such a surprise, look at the difference in the quality of the games, that is such an ignorant comparision on your part.

Don't take any of this as an attack, but you said you did research, and well it seems as though you didn't, you're a fanboy to the company, just as he was. Why be a fanboy, like I said earlier, play what you like, don't try to enforce it on others.

[prit]

oh, thats a game? I could have sworn it was a movie...you know, like Spirit(s) Within...what a great movie that was, huh?
with that other game though, I somehow missed that...sorry

My home entertainment system isn't portable, no, but its so hard to see movies on a 4 inch screen. I just can't see myself watching movies on it. Thats what those portable DVD players are for: picking PSP over DS for its movie-playing capabilities is just pathetic

and when I compared the PSP to GameGear, I meant by its layout as in directional pad, buttons, screen positions, and its attempt to dethrone Nintendo. Sega bombed on that one, much like Sony will bomb on the PSP. ITs like they just forgot about history and tried what they think is right...100 bucks say we will have a PSP SP, like the GBA SP out less than 12 months after PSP's American release.
Its not so much as me enforcing it on others as much as me trying to unenforce (inverse of enforce?) the PSP on others (I will stay on topic now, though)

[zao]

Yes, I know you said you're a fanboy, and that is how I could include that in my post.......

Also, about the screen thing. Yes it was a good idea for the fliptop, that it does protect the screen. But the PSP is aimed generally for a more mature audience, and if you can't be responsible enough to not scratch your equipment, then maybe you do need a fliptop. I had both GBA, and the GBA SP, along with every other portable. None of my screens ever had scratched on them.

[prit]

good for you, always keeping your screen perfect
/emote applauds zao
but I really don't see how its possible to protect the screen. unless you keep it in a case, it will always be somewhat damaged. Unless you are the only one who touched you're portable system, then I could see how that works...but, like, if your friend moved it, or if you live with your parents and they moved it, or its dropped and is scratched, or if you have a cat, etc. etc. etc.

Here's an idea: removable face plates, like on cell phones. This way, instead of buying a new DS, people can change the color: this will also insure durability (of course, this would mean less money to Nintendo)

dual screens is fun stuff...everyone who tried the DS admits that. But, how is it possible to have 2 screens and no flip-top? Its not, unless you make the system the size of an Xbox. Two screens aren't necessary, but they aren't superfluous. It can be used as a joystick, instead of a joystick the size of a toenail on the smallest toe (the PSP's joystick looks like a speaker), or it could add new capabilities...creativity has always been Nintendo's staple. The second screen could hold all of the HUD stuff, so the screen isn't cluttered (get this: Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2005 for the PSP has a hide-away HUD, since the screen is so small that you wouldn't be able to see all of the stuff on it ;) the DS is perfect for HUD's, no matter how big)

Look at games like Mario 64 DS, Metroid Prime: Hunters, Spider-man 2, Wario Ware DS...all of these make perfect use of the dual screens

Who knows what the future holds?

[GW02]

oh, thats a game? I could have sworn it was a movie...you know, like SPirit Within...what a great movie that was, huh?
with that other game though, I somehow missed that...sorry
I was serious about the graphical difference. When I first saw the PS2's graphics, I thought that Sony was done with block characters.

I was going to respond to your comments, but after reading this particular piece I think you're so blinded by your fanboy-ism that you won't see facts straight.

Some of the best of PS2's graphics:
http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/driving/burnout3/screenindex.html
http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/killzone/screenindex.html
vs.
Some of the best of N64's graphics:
http://www.gamespot.com/n64/sports/mariotennis/screenindex.html
http://www.gamespot.com/n64/action/perfectdark/screenindex.html

I don't know how drunk you have to be to not see the difference. I mean, there's fanboy-ism and there's argumentative-ism, but saying that there's "no real visual difference between the N64's graphics and PS2" is just ridiculous. Don't make me laugh.


Second, Mario saved the video game industry. You know it, unless you're one of those Playstation Generation kids.
Sure. But Nintendo's changed since then. You're talking about something that happened ten years ago.


dual screens is fun stuff...everyone who tried the DS admits that. But, how is it possible to have 2 screens and no flip-top? Its not, unless you make the system the size of an Xbox
Sure. I have dual monitors, it's fun too. But that's because I find use for them. A lot of my friends fetched themselves DS's, and have all complained the the second screen's been pretty useless. Touch is a nice feature, I'll admit, but dual screens hasn't shown any of the "innovation" Nintendo's been yammering on about recently.

Trust me, I used to love Nintendo too, but they alienated me with the Gamecube. I've gone to Sony and haven't looked back since.

[zao]

oh, BTW, we all know how Sony's stuff is durable: they're making a new PS2 cause all the old ones are crap

Haha, man you're quite the investigator. You probably know nothing about marketing, or business strategy, because if you did, you wouldn't make such a comment as that. But with that response, would that also mean that Nintendo made the SP because the first one was crap? No! Never! Nintendo rules!!!!!!!!!!

You're making blind ignorant responses now, my discussion of the subject is pretty much over with you. Learn to grow-up, then we can further our discussion.

[prit]

no, Nintendo made the SP mainly because they were looking at the complaints of GBA users...why create a new PS2? everyone who wants a PS2 has one. Period. they're not too expensive now anyway. Why would anyone want to buy a thin PS2? maybe because FFXI has killed the old one...but the new PS2 doesn't support the Hard drive...d'oh

its not just pretty pictures...actually playing PS2 games, experiencing massive lag...its almost like PS2 has some AOL components in its hardware ;)
People always say graphics don't matter, and until I played PS2, I agreed...but then, play an Xbox/GC game, then play it on PS2...you lose your concentration because you remember how much smoother the Xbox/GC versions of the same game were.

anyone else besides me not able to see those screen shots? maybe because of AOL, but they don't show up on my screen :(

guys, read EGM

[GW02]

Sony is making a new PS2 (the PSTwo) because it's smaller and slimmer, which makes people drool and want them, especially in Japan, where every inch is precious (trust me, it's crammed over there), and because the "freshness" of it is a marketing strategy to make people buy more. Even people that already have PS2s like me want one.

So stop making irrational, uninformed attacks on Sony and the Playstation series and start looking at facts.

The consoles are all great. Some people prefer the games or features of one over another. Don't get blinded by stupid fervor.


edit:

its not just pretty pictures...actually playing PS2 games, experiencing massive lag...its almost like PS2 has some AOL components in its hardware
People always say graphics don't matter, and until I played PS2, I agreed...but then, play an Xbox/GC game, then play it on PS2...you lose your concentration because you remember how much smoother the Xbox/GC versions of the same game were.
Well, sure. That's because when game developers port games instead of creates them for a specific system, they aren't as well suited to the hardware. People say that the PS2 is old. Yes, of course it is. But it still shows spunk, as games like MGS3 and Killzone show. And don't tell me your gamecube never lags.

As for the screenshots, I don't know, but the games I was comparing were:
PS2: Burnout 3 and Killzone
vs.
N64: Mario Tennis and Perfect Dark

Also: SNES is still the best console evar, because it had great games.

[zao]

Yup, sales on a console start to plummet after they have been out for quite some time. The PS2 has been out for almost 4 years (guessing), and their sales weren't as good as when the console was first released. So what do they do..revamp it, make it more marketable again. Which always works. Why do you think Nintendo is bundling the GameCube with 2 controllers, and the new Mario Tennis game? BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T BUYING THE GAMECUBE. It's called business strategy, every company does it.

[GW02]

Remember, Nintendo has also rereleased several of their old machines. The SNES I know for sure got the redesign->release treatment, as did the old Gameboy and GBC several times. I think the NES did too.

[prit]

Remember, Nintendo has also rereleased several of their old machines. The SNES I know for sure got the redesign->release treatment, as did the old Gameboy and GBC several times. I think the NES did too.yeah, but the SNES was mainly for the Japan->America translation...
the other redesign was to force the SNES goodness onto the 4 remaining Americans who didn't own one

[prit]

It's called business strategy, every company does it.Wow, Zao, thanks for that. I really didn't know thats what it was called, or even that a company might think out their decisions. Man, you're so great, thanks for informing me. whew

BTW, its Mario Kart thats being bundled :P
and both of those games are amazing...


killzone sucks

[GW02]

yeah, but the SNES was mainly for the Japan->America translation...
the other redesign was to force the SNES goodness onto the 4 remaining Americans who didn't own one

Really? I have one of the SNESs with the power and reset sliders and a big honking eject in the middle, but the later ones I saw looked all space-age with blob buttons and no eject...

[prit]

sorry, that came out wrong


the SNES's name in Japan was Super Famicom
in America, it was changed to the Super Nintendo Entertainment System

there may have been design changes, but im not sure, and way too lazy to look them up.

Mine looked like yours, and I have only heard of those space-age ones
here's a blurry pic...the top right one is the Super Famicom (im pretty sure)

http://darkwatcher.psxfanatics.com/console/snes.jpg

[zao]

Wow, Zao, thanks for that. I really didn't know thats what it was called, or even that a company might think out their decisions. Man, you're so great, thanks for informing me. whew

Are you just trying to be a smartass now, or what? I mean, I know that you probably feel like a fool anyways, because everything that you have said so far has been shot down faster than a bolt of lightning. Honestly though, no need to be an immature prick about it, now is there? I really wouldn't expect anything more out of a teenager that thinks they know everything.

[mdipi]

Lets not get into a flamewar here boys.

Prit just dont even acknowladge that post please...for the sake of this thread.

[zao]

This thread needs some spice.

[prit]

so guys...what do you think of the DS launch lineup?
:D
I'm a personal fan of Super Mario 64 DS...three new characters, multiplayer, and 30 new stars?!?!

[prit]

so guys...what do you think of the DS launch lineup?
:D
I'm a personal fan of Super Mario 64 DS...three new characters, multiplayer, and 30 new stars?!?!






**OFF TOPIC**




Sure. I have dual monitors, it's fun too. But that's because I find use for them.I'm not trying to sound sarcastic or mean, but what do you use them for? Do you just make them act like two windows in the task bar, or play games and surf the internet at the same time, or watch DVD's...

[Coppertop]

I actually got to play with a DS today for all of 90 seconds before the owner ripped it out of my hands and muttered something like "I was using that, you bastard." ;)

Anyway, the whole touch screen thing is kinda cool. The setup is weird, and so far I haven't seen any really good reason to have a dual screen. The general feel was a little weird (from either the GBA or GBC) but not to bad. Really, it would have been better if they just had a single bigger screen that had touch screen abilites. It would have been a little more practical.

I'd rather wait until they develop a console of any sort that can project 3d images. Then I'll buy a console, untill then: I :love: my PC.

[grinch]

Whoa,
just played my first DS (out of EB) and I didn't know that for super metroid, you use the pen on the bottom screen to move your cursor, and the dpad to move. It's actually pretty neat, I'm really thinking about getting one...

[grinch]

so guys...what do you think of the DS launch lineup?
:D
I'm a personal fan of Super Mario 64 DS...three new characters, multiplayer, and 30 new stars?!?!






**OFF TOPIC**
I'm not trying to sound sarcastic or mean, but what do you use them for? Do you just make them act like two windows in the task bar, or play games and surf the internet at the same time, or watch DVD's...


^^ uh, yeah, hell if I had dual screens, I'd do exactly that bro

[grinch]

sorry, that came out wrong


the SNES's name in Japan was Super Famicom
in America, it was changed to the Super Nintendo Entertainment System

there may have been design changes, but im not sure, and way too lazy to look them up.

Mine looked like yours, and I have only heard of those space-age ones
here's a blurry pic...the top right one is the Super Famicom (im pretty sure)

http://darkwatcher.psxfanatics.com/console/snes.jpg

whoa whoa! I could of sworn the Famicom was a red looking shoe box console. I remember doing a "History of Videogaming" project about 1.5 years ago, and remembering some console called Famicom or something...

EDIT - Ah I was right, here's the Famicom...


http://www.vgmuseum.com/systems/fds/1.jpg

[zao]

I have a dual monitor setup as well, hell I used to have 3. It's perfect for application use. In flash I can have my main timeline one the left, and all of the tools and the actions window on the right. The uses for it are endless, and the people that say it's pointless are the people that have never tried it. It's really easy to do also, if you have a spare monitor laying around, just go and buy a cheap $5 pci video card, it's that easy.

[Krilnon]

Wow, you used to have three? :Phttp://www.9xmedia.com/Images/CONFIGURATIONS%20-%20COLOR/5%20over%205.jpg

[zao]

LAME!

[grinch]

^^ phew! that'd be a dream come true eh?!

[Mik3]

Yea I know, I ment that Microsoft might bring out a hand-held console of their own after the XBox 2 is released.
Ew, how terrible that would be...
Now we even get our handheld gaming systems to crash! Just like our PCs and PocketPCs!

[Mik3]

Yeah, but all you are lucky, everything in the UK is much more expensive.

I belive that there are currently $2 in £1. That sucks, double the price!

You can get a PSP from Japan for $169, and it will be region free, so you can play all the games from the US (or UK).
Lol, well of course a $100 item would only be £50 in Europe... not really double the price...


Some of the best of PS2's graphics:
http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/driving/burnout3/screenindex.html
http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/killzone/screenindex.html
vs.
Some of the best of N64's graphics:
http://www.gamespot.com/n64/sports/mariotennis/screenindex.html
http://www.gamespot.com/n64/action/perfectdark/screenindex.html

I don't know how drunk you have to be to not see the difference. I mean, there's fanboy-ism and there's argumentative-ism, but saying that there's "no real visual difference between the N64's graphics and PS2" is just ridiculous. Don't make me laugh.
Yeah, that's just crazy. The PSP is way, way, way, way, way more powerful than the DS. I own the DS and I'm not afraid to admit it. The DS graphics SUCK compared to the PSP graphics. But I still find the DS way more fun. Lets keep fanboys out of here, we want more unbias opinions.

[prit]

whoa whoa! I could of sworn the Famicom was a red looking shoe box console. I remember doing a "History of Videogaming" project about 1.5 years ago, and remembering some console called Famicom or something...

EDIT - Ah I was right, here's the Famicom...


http://www.vgmuseum.com/systems/fds/1.jpgyeah thats the Famicom, but we're talking about the Super Famicom. The red one is equivilent to the American NES...the Super Famicom -> SNES

[prit]

sure, some of the PSP's graphics are decent, but they're actually between the PS1 and PS2...not any better than the PS2. Therefore, some games could look good, and some could look like butt (which is exactly what EGM says ;))
The DS could have superior graphics to the N64, but right now it seems that developers are concentrating on the fun factor most of all. Don't forget that many don't like the Wind Waker because of the graphics, but if they play it, they realize that its easily the best action/adventure game out there (not to mention its Zelda)
And personally, I love the Mario 64 graphics. You have fun from the game play, and you're also reminded of a simpler time, several years ago...how I miss the N64

[DevDreamer]

Yeah, that's just crazy. The PSP is way, way, way, way, way more powerful than the DS. I own the DS and I'm not afraid to admit it. The DS graphics SUCK compared to the PSP graphics. But I still find the DS way more fun. Lets keep fanboys out of here, we want more unbias opinions.






^^^^

Yea, but those "great" graphics are going to cut life hard on the batteries, which is an issue for me considering when I play video games I play for hours and hours an end.

[prit]

Indeed DevDreamer
Plus, the PSP needs to keep the disc spinning and the laser moving to read the discs. The DS doesn't have to, and the cartridges (sp?) mean less loading times. Not only will the PSP load longer (bad battery life + slow loading times = less time to play games), but there's always the chance that it could skip, no matter how much protection Sony takes in anti-skip technology.

Yay cartridges!!

[grinch]

Sorry aboot this stoopid question, when does PSP come out?

[B3NKobe]

Indeed DevDreamer
Plus, the PSP needs to keep the disc spinning and the laser moving to read the discs. The DS doesn't have to, and the cartridges (sp?) mean less loading times. Not only will the PSP load longer (bad battery life + slow loading times = less time to play games), but there's always the chance that it could skip, no matter how much protection Sony takes in anti-skip technology.

Yay cartridges!!
Very good summing up there! As much as I would want to get a DS, I really want to get a PSP, but after reading the quote above, Its made me think and maybe now ill get a DS.

[Mik3]

I think that I'm going to get a PSP sooner or later. I could care less about battery life, right when it comes out we'll see third party developers.

[prit]

PSP release date: According the Cheat Code Central, the PSP will have a number of games released in March 2005, so its safe to assume it will be out then (in the US at least; expect Sony to have it release earlier in Japan, and possibly later in Europe).

[DevDreamer]

Indeed DevDreamer
Plus, the PSP needs to keep the disc spinning and the laser moving to read the discs. The DS doesn't have to, and the cartridges (sp?) mean less loading times. Not only will the PSP load longer (bad battery life + slow loading times = less time to play games), but there's always the chance that it could skip, no matter how much protection Sony takes in anti-skip technology.

Yay cartridges!!

Amen Brother...

[Funky_Chickin]

yea but. if it wasnt for the N64, there would be No PS1, and if it wasn't for the Gameboy/SP, there would be no PSP. nitendo made 3d gaming consoles happen, and they made the handheld market, you should thank them. and there cheap, where as sony are in there just for the cash, like they don't make enough as it is. am gonna get a DS. They look fun, and if i don't like it, al sell it on ebay for hundreds :P

[prit]

...I haven't seen any really good reason to have a dual screen. The general feel was a little weird (from either the GBA or GBC) but not to bad. Really, it would have been better if they just had a single bigger screen that had touch screen abilites. It would have been a little more practical.
well, with the touch screen, its really hard to see what you're doing if you have a big finger in the way, so adding a second screen adds so much more visibility

plus, the second screen will likely last longer, meaning that you can play your GBA games on the top screen without having fingerprints in the way of your viewing pleasure

anyone else know of any other ways??

[zao]

I think we'll see a huge use for it when a Final Fantasy game is released for it.

[prit]

oh, definitely zao. Many DS games use the touch screen for menu options already, and with SquarEnix (sp? how the h*** do you spell it now?) working on multiple Final Fantasy games, I'm sure they'll be very innovative.

[zao]

It would be perfect to have the second screen for all your spells, stats, weapons, etc. No more popup menus, that would be great.

[prit]

No more popup menusthats exactly what the PSP will use. D'oh!!

[birdboy0103]

I feel bad for nintendo, they seem to just keep on making mistakes. I mean, come on, how can you compare a 60 mhz ARM processor to a dual 32 bit 200 mhz processor? I have a bad feeling about nintendo's future. :((

[zao]

You're pretty misinformed, so I will let you read for yourself.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/12/09/news_6114725.html

[I am the Noah]

thats exactly what the PSP will use. D'oh!!
wait, im confused, how will it not have pop up nemus? it doesnt have a touch screen like the DS :puzzle:

[Sammo]

@I am the Noah: He's saying the PSP will use pop-ups menus.


Just at everyone, nintendo has never lost the handheld market. They were up agaisnt game gears (which have better stats than gbas) when nintendo only just brought the game boy pocket out.
You have game & watch, the original classics, no-one came close to those beauties.
Then the n-gage, a phone, games console (with pretty good games), mp3 player, when nintendo had the gba sp out.

There's just something about Nintendo that seems to win the fight for the best handheld.

Me? I'm going Nintendo all the way. I love the mario games, so easy on the eye, so ****ing hard to complete....


EDIT: Dude!
http://www.jzcool.net/console/gamecom.htm

1997, TOUCH SCREEN

Nintendo will never lose.

[zao]

Hah, you think mario games are hard to complete? I agree that they're time consuming, and lots of fun, but the difficulty level isn't that high.

[Butters]

EDIT: Dude!
http://www.jzcool.net/console/gamecom.htm

1997, TOUCH SCREEN

Nintendo will never lose.



Most of its problems were due to a small lineup (only 20 games), poor distribution, and poor marketing.
Yeah, thats soooo true with Sony, isnt it? I mean look at the Playstation, hardly any games. The distribution is total crap too, I mean, seriously, how many people have a PS2? Noone does becuase they are all too busy playing on thier GameCubes. Sony suck at marketing aswel, thats why the PS2 sold so badly... [/sarcasam]

[Sammo]

Hah, you think mario games are hard to complete? I agree that they're time consuming, and lots of fun, but the difficulty level isn't that high.
Super Mario Bros. 3

Compltete that and honestly say mario games arn't hard

[zao]

Yea, like I haven't played Super Mario Bros. 3, I can beat that game in like 45mins.

[prit]

3 is easy (just collect enough P-Wings, coast thru 8th world) but the first was a b****, especially when your NES craps out at random times, and your controller is messed up too...

[Disco-Stu]

I recently busted out my old SNES and put in Mario All Stars (I sold my NES when I bought my SNES at age 8). Me and the roommates get loaded and play it on our bigscreen all the way through, taking turns. GREAT fun. Big Screen SNES is the shizzle fo nizzle.

[prit]

1997, TOUCH SCREEN

Nintendo will never lose.
lol, you say '97 touch screen, I say '97 internet in a hand held :D

And butters, whats up with the sarcasm? When did anyone say that Sony had bad marketing or distribution? Oh, about the PSP: Sony already is EXPECTING shortages throughout the world with the PSP, whereas Nintendo isn't, since they're making SO F****** MANY DS's. Good luck finding one, but I'm pretty sure I heard there will be 1,000,000 out by the end of the year :D

and Nintendo's DS marketing was amazing; they announced price/date on the day of an important Sony demonstration thing, totally drowning Sony out, and also launched it earlier in the US...In japan, the DS came out like 2 days before the PS1's anniversary.

[Butters]

Yeah sorry, I was in a bad mood when I wrote that :!:

Sony said they are estemated to sell over 1 million by March 2005, and Nintendo say they will have sold over 3 million by then...

[zao]

They're almost half way there already.

[Royal88]

I got used to the DS controls after a little while..i played Super Mario DS on my friend's.

Can't wait for PSP, though.

[prit]

I feel bad for nintendo, they seem to just keep on making mistakes. I mean, come on, how can you compare a 60 mhz ARM processor to a dual 32 bit 200 mhz processor? I have a bad feeling about nintendo's future. :((I'm not at all a PS2 fan, never will be (let's save that for another thread), but honestly, power isn't a concern when it comes to success. Think about it: the PS2 has outsold the Xbox, but the Xbox is better than the PS2, in performance, in every way. Supports more sound options, better graphics, faster processer, amazingly quick loading times...yet the PS2 still is probably in first; just as the DS, though not the most powerful, will take first, leaving Nintendo at the head of the handheld market. What continues to save the PS2 is the amount of games (all of the DS's first party games are guarenteed good, plus most of the 3rd party games are great, too) and the fan support (Nintendo has always ruled handhelds, and has millions of fans). The online didn't hurt, either (DS has Wi-Fi, plus we already know that the multiplayer works great (also don't forget the Wavebird; Nintendo owns in wireless)). Backwards compatibility (DS has it). The list continues; I hate to admit it, but the DS reminds me of the PS2...and therefore will sell amazingly well.


wow I feel so smart, making that connection :D