n00b newbie noob.... when will it stop?!

[Jubba]

Maybe I am being unreasonable but what the hell is wrong with these people!? Is it just me? Or is everyone getting just a little closer to the "breaking point" every time they hear, or see the words n00b or newbie? Its really starting to get under my skin. I see all these new people coming here and asking complex questions, hell they even ask simple questions, but at the end they always say, "remember, I'm a n00b" or "I'm sorry I'm such a newbie" as if to justify their ignorance.

I'm not saying that their ignorance is unjustifiable, but its already justified without having to state it. We don't care if you are incompetent with Flash or Photoshop. We would try to help you even if you wrote the damn program! There are two types of n00bs in my eyes. There are the kind that accepts their n00bness and works within their bounds. Their typical questions are

How can I make this movieclip move across the screen? I just got Flash yesterday and I didn't bother to look at the help files because I am too busy and important to help myself, so I figured I would just ask you people because you are now at my whim because I am about to become the FLASH MASTER!!! AHAHAHAHAHH!! Oh, and I'm a n00b so go easy on me and explain it like you would to a two year old baby... Thanks a bunch!
Then there are these kinds of people

Yeah, hi... so I haven't even opened the box yet, but I was wondering you could tell me how to make my Flash movie launch those nukes that the Koreans are hiding. I'm a newbie so go easy on me
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE!? Must you really tell us everything about you? cant you just ask the quesiton? and then if you don't understand the answer ask about that? Must you poison my eyes with these words every time you post anything?! If you are really that much of a newbie to the world of Flash then do this:

Open Flash > Help > Lessons

Then once you complete that go to Help > Tutorials

Then you will a basic knowledge of Flash but then you won't have to say "I'm a newbie" but then you will start saying, "I'm an actionscript newbie" Then the cycle starts again...

Let me close by saying this, I AM NOT A n00b!! I am no expert, nor am I really any good with scripting, but if I wanted to do something with actionscript or Flash that I can't figure out, I generally try to figure it out on my own using my existing knowledge rather than run to the forums with every problem that may arise in my files.

Please help stop the spread of these evil, corupting, poisonous words... keep them out of the English language... Keep me from the 'deep end' cuz I feel myself slipping... further.... further....

:skull:

[Guig0]

me thinks you´re over reacting just a lil bit...

and that you´re kinda of wrong too:

Let me close by saying this, I AM NOT A n00b!! I am no expert, nor am I really any good with scripting, but if I wanted to do something with actionscript or Flash that I can't figure out, I generally try to figure it out on my own using my existing knowledge rather than run to the forums with every problem that may arise in my files.
that said, this forum (or any flash forum) lost it´s purpose...

but hey, that´s just me ;)

[Jubba]

Well what I mean is even little problems. Also chances are that someone has already asked the question and people are too lazy to use the Search button... I dunno I am just ranting about whatever... My whole problem was with the whole usage of the term "newbie" but I went off-track a little...

[Jubba]

Well I always overreact too :)

[[Legoman]]

I'd have to agree that people don't take enough time to try and figure out and learn things themselves, it's not difficult to do a search for a tutorial on something, but people want it on a plate.
And people often try to run before they can walk, giving some complex concept of what their site will do and advanced features it will have and asking for advice. then they get a reply trying to help and respond with something like "sorry, I'm such a noob, what's a movie-clip?"

[pom]

You should write a Flashinion, Jubby.

And you forgot about the newbie who wants to know how to make a site just like 2advanced by the way.

[BullDog_Flash]

They say take it easy on me im a noob stuff like that.
because I went to Flashkit and they are as mean as hek man.

Either they say go check the tut we dont have to help you stuff. Like that..

I mean they always over react.
Alot of the Forums other then this one is very mean people.

I mean thats probally why half the people who signed up and did one post probally stay here forever.

I mean were do you think i came form this is deffinitly not my first post.Or Forum..

I went to flashkit,,,Actionscript.org i went to plentey and half the people are mean.

Im not to sure the Actionscript.org has much bad people..

But i am happy were i am Kirupa.I wil never go anywere else unless its my own created forum.

[Makaveli]

How can I make this movieclip move across the screen? I just got Flash yesterday and I didn't bother to look at the help files because I am too busy and important to help myself, so I figured I would just ask you people because you are now at my whim because I am about to become the FLASH MASTER!!! AHAHAHAHAHH!! Oh, and I'm a n00b so go easy on me and explain it like you would to a two year old baby... Thanks a bunch!


lmfao.............thats so true....kirupa should turn this into a flashonion or whatever that is............this was great jubba!

[Guig0]

Originally posted by Jubba
Well what I mean is even little problems. Also chances are that someone has already asked the question and people are too lazy to use the Search button... I dunno I am just ranting about whatever... My whole problem was with the whole usage of the term "newbie" but I went off-track a little...
Yep, that bothers me too. some days you open the FMX section and you see four or five threas like: preloader stuff, help with preloader, how can i make a preloader ?, etc..
they don´t even have to do a search, it´s right on theyr faces, but no, they had to start a new thread...


but the worst are those ppl that start a new thread to each new question they have.. those ppl :bad:

[lostinbeta]

Jubba had a point, but went off on a tangent...lol.

I know a lot of people here stalk 2advanced, and the day they release something new, they copy and paste the URL in here and say "I have been using flash for a few days now, and I was wondering how this is done". There is a reason they are called 2 <B>Advanced</B>. They are good, but overhyped none-the-less.

If you jump ahead of your current skill level, there is a chance you will stumble and fall, and not be able to accomplish things, then you might even dislike flash because you can't do what you want. The way I see it, it is better to start from the very bottom and work your way up so you can actually understand the code you are using. Even if someone on the forum helps you with something, you should still be able to understand it without a "book" for an explanation (maybe some line comments or something).

And yes... preloader questions drive me nuts.

[Jubba]

I apologize to the person who posted this for using them as an example, but here is their post:


Hi there, I'm new to flash MX. Needed anybody who has any experience in building a multiple chat client using flash MX to help with some function syntax.

IF YOU ARE NEW TO FLASH MX THEN WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING BUILDING A CHAT PROGRAM WITH IT!?!?

Another problem is that everyone seems to be trying to make these rediculous things in Flash when it would be just as easy to make them in a regular web browser using PHP or some other language... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! FLASH IS NOT THE END ALL PROGRAM FOR THE 21st CENTURY!!

[lostinbeta]

Wow someone asked that?

Dude... I wouldn't even attempt that!

[andr.in]

dude! You're right! Dude! I rmember someone asking how to make a doom-like or counter-strike-like game! ...somewhere! Dude!:o

[Jubba]

Well the whole chat thing is doable, and actually I think I have a good idea how to do it using a database and PHP to load the variables, but still... just because I can, doesn't mean I should.

[andr.in]

the chat is very much possible... as a matter of fact I believe I remember a chatroom made in flash being up here in kirupa.com! I don't know what happened to it!
But think of a first-person-shooter game in Flash! LOL :P :P :P

[Jubba]

yeah i know.. that relates back to my nuclear missle comment... People see Flash as some sort of gateway to another world where anything is possible. Flash its limitations just like anything else in this world...

[reverendflash]

I'm with you on the newbie thang Jubba!

I'm also tire of leet talk in general. 21st Century version of pig latin...

my rant:

the people who actully come out and ask: "can't you just give me the code?"

the ones who don't want to learn, just copy and paste...

:hair:

Revhttp://www.aulman.com/rev.gif

[lostinbeta]

Originally posted by reverendflash

my rant:

the people who actully come out and ask: "can't you just give me the code?"

the ones who don't want to learn, just copy and paste...

:hair:

Revhttp://www.aulman.com/rev.gif


Oh boy.... don't get me started on that one :x I USUALLY only supply a source file if they show me they tried or having some specific trouble with the script that they may be doing wrong, but I can't quite pinpoint from my end.

[eilsoe]

Or.. if it's so easy it's easier to cough up a quick example for them.. I usually do that...


it's rude to expext us to actually make the code JUST for them... we're helpers, not slaves...

[T-O]

Originally posted by Jubba
Let me close by saying this, I AM NOT A n00b!! I am no expert, nor am I really any good with scripting, but if I wanted to do something with actionscript or Flash that I can't figure out, I generally try to figure it out on my own using my existing knowledge rather than run to the forums with every problem that may arise in my files.


Man I have bether seen shuch a great txt

Scruw those newbie's

When I started out Like 4 year ago I didn't even know how to use the progamm. But I just tryed and tryed.
And finally I got some good work done.

Tip for newbie's:

1. You need allot of time< if you don't have it. Get some or forget it.>
2. Just start trying stuff
3. There are millionds of great site's out there to help you.
(
kirupa beginning one of the best,
www.flashkit.com
www.macromedia.com
)
4. Don't try and start with action skript right away. Use only what you need. So don't go father then the basic skripts.
Try to understand tweeing and the motion first before starting with actionskripting

[RenaissanceGirl]

I don't mind noobs... I actually like noobs because they're so unjaded, hopeful and enthusiastic.

It's lazy people I don't like... so I'm with your comments Jubs. I think it's more lazy people. There are good noobs too, but the lazy noobs overshadow them.

[lostinbeta]

good tips T-O

FLash definitely takes time and patience and lots of practice.


It isn't one of those programs you can take out of the box, install, and just know it right off the bat. It is complex and has areas that are deep to explore and even people who have used it for years are still learning.

[Xero]

I had never heard of 2advanced before i came to these forums. Well anyways... I think jubba is over reacting a bit because some people play a lot of video games and now have the word newbi stuck in their minds instead of "i am new to flash mx version 6.0". So take it easy on them lol.

[Jubba]

Well, yeah. I overreact. Its my nature. I always do. With everything. But I'm right... :P

[lostinbeta]

Xero: I think it is mainly the context and not the word in this case (or I could be wrong), but you can have those people that ask simple questions but feel that MUST state they are a n00b, even though the question sort of implies that.

But then you have to people that ask advanced questions that they can't do, but state they are a n00b, like stating that will make the problem less advanced then it really is.

[Jubba]

DING DING DING

LiB WINS THE PRIZE!!!

[lostinbeta]

YAY!!!! :love:

What do I win Jubba?

[Jubba]

this:

:trout:

[lostinbeta]

Nope, DON'T WANT THAT!!!

http://userpages.umbc.edu/~tmccau1/images/smilies/salmonshield.gif

hehehehe :P

[Xero]

riiiggghhhhttttt....:!:

[[Legoman]]

not that I want this to keep getting brought up, but this pissed me off at tutorialforums.com:



mak11: possible?
is it possible (many hard things are!) to make a flash site with the least knowledge, i mean a very single page, no fancy stuff (some nice links with change color when the mouse is over them and when clicked a small window comes up....lol you know very simple!!)

oh and if it is possible what is the minimum that i should know!?


me: What's the point of using flash if this is all you want? It's a waste of time and money.


mak11: time and money?? i don't think so

i don't understand? money? i have it already i didn't pay for it either

and why don't you help instead of just talking ****





was I being unreasonable here?

[lostinbeta]

No, why have the program if you want to do the same thing you can do in HTML?!?!?!


ANd it sounds like he has illegal software, so he deserves no help whatsoever anyway.


People with hacked software piss me off, but people with hacked software that suck with that software piss me off even more!

[upuaut]

Well Jubba, though I don't have nearly the same reaction as you, I definitely know what you're talking about. I agree with you, even if I wouldn't be as harsh about it.


Jubba

FLASH IS NOT THE END ALL PROGRAM FOR THE 21st CENTURY!!
It's not??

:P

[Kitiara]

Or.. if it's so easy it's easier to cough up a quick example for them.. I usually do that...

it's rude to expext us to actually make the code JUST for them... we're helpers, not slaves... Just to add my two pence worth on this one, I think Eilsoe has a good idea. If you can give a slightly more generic answer or piece of code, then the person asking has to do some work for themselves, although you've pointed them in the right direction.

There's always going to be noobs, I still consider myself one to a large extent. The majority are polite and cool and just have hit a brick wall on something and need some guidance. Or those that post up their code to see what's wrong. I have no qualms with any of that, that's what the forums are for. :) I know my first post on here was something along the lines of "I'm doing this [example], what am I doing wrong?" and David very kindly pointed out my error.

A couple will want you to do all the donkey work for them.

C'est la vie, as they say.

[upuaut]

(I admit it, it was your name, otherwise I would have ignored the post entirely. :P)

I think that there is also a lot of foundation to the idea that people have been burned by other forum in the past. Not only have I seen the direct result of this, but I've been there myself. In addition there's also the fact that a lot of people, (probebly close to 80% of the world population though I'm just guessing) that have little or no clue how one communicates using a forum. I know when I signed on to a few forum in the beginning, I was sooooooooo lost. It was like the first day of highschool all over again. It is important to have really well displayed notes in simple english which explain how and where the search functions are utilized. Even with lots of helpful notes for the newbie, it is still difficult to expect most to know how to search for something.

Alas, there's no easy answer except to exclude newbies, which would kind of defeat the purposes of the forum. ;)

[Guig0]

you could not be more right.

i agree with you 100%

it was hard for me too, when i started to use forums, i went to flashkit and macromedia, but due to rudeness (fk) and lack of response (mm) i got here, it was almost at the same time, and i was not sure on how i should state my problems and etc.
it was hard in the begining... took me a while to find the search too.
And if you guys had given me the newbie treatment, i would probably give up being on forums.

Now i see a lot of ppl like that, and i try to help them out giving some forum basics. But it takes a lot of patience.

[lostinbeta]

Hmm... this is the first forum I signed up for... been here ever since.

[Guig0]

:P

[lostinbeta]

Well I browsed other forums and didn't really like what I was seeing there. Came here and saw everyone was so friendly.

[Guig0]

a lot of ppl said that same thing here :)

[RenaissanceGirl]

Hmm...

I still stand with people are lazy. When I joined this (and many other) forums, it was weeks to months before I even uttered a word. I used the search tool to look for answers and in just about every case, the question has been asked and answered.

Search is one of the basic tools of the internet... people just don't think to use it. Am I being harsh when I answer a noob's question with "Go to http://www.google.com. Enter 'chromeless tutorial.'"

[lostinbeta]

I got everything I had from the search button.

If I ever asked a question it was because I could not find the answer to it myself through the search button or through google.

I search the web for my answer before I ask my question. It saves me time for waiting for an answer, and saves anyone else time of having to answer me when they could be answering some other thread that is more important.

[RenaissanceGirl]

Originally posted by lostinbeta
I got everything I had from the search button.

If I ever asked a question it was because I could not find the answer to it myself through the search button or through google.

I search the web for my answer before I ask my question. It saves me time for waiting for an answer, and saves anyone else time of having to answer me when they could be answering some other thread that is more important.

Not only that, but I firmly believe that the knowledge has a better chance of sticking if you had to work for it.

[lostinbeta]

Originally posted by RenaissanceGirl
Not only that, but I firmly believe that the knowledge has a better chance of sticking if you had to work for it.

Thats true too.

Like when I learn something new in AS I open up Flash and experiment with it in different ways trying to implement it into different things.

Of course some things go wrong, but thats the point of experimenting... to find out what you can do with this newfound piece of code. By experimenting with it over and over the code gets embedded into your head and you think to use that when the situation arrises.

[Oblique]

Humm, all I can say it that my title says it all *coughs* ultimate n00b *coughs* :love: Nothing wrong with calling yourself a newbie since you know you is, and we might aswell inform you to tell you this so you wouldnt get annoyed with out "n00b" questions :P

[Kitiara]

But there's a big difference between being a noob with sensible, serious requests and someone who can't be bothered to use the 'Search' button.

I think we all joined the forums to help and be helped, but I'm sure it gets tedious when the same questions get asked again and again and stuff...

[upuaut]

Of course you're right Reni. There are a lot of people who are just plain lazy. I'm not trying to defend that behavior at all. This is how I look at it. If I answer questions for 100 people, 90 of them probebly were just too lazy to bother with the search. 10 of them however are very likely just unable to figure out how to use a search feature well (so they don't). If I treated the whole lot unfriendly like, just because of the 90 *******s I talked to, then 10 people get screwed for no reason whatsoever.. however, if I catter to the 10 people then I have the satisfaction of doing a truely nobel deed. The 90 ***'s are not important. It is not my job to fix these people of their attitudes. If it were, I'd have to spend 24 hours a day 7 days a week doing just that, and I'd still have millions of ***'s that I'd never be able to get too. Plus, those ***'s are not likely to listen to me anyway.

I don't know.. the above looks a little convoluted now that I reread it but I think that my point is there somewhere. To paraphrase one of our founding fathers: "I'd rather a hundred guilty men go free than one innocent man be made to suffer." That sort of statement rules my existance, and flavors how I deal with people online. I believe very much in it.

[upuaut]

oh, and I'm not saying that any behavior is 'right' or 'wrong' just pointing out how and why I deal with the same frustrations.

[RenaissanceGirl]

Oh I'm not disagreeing with you at all Dave! I find you to be a very kind and helpful soul and I realize I'm a jaded wretch. I think it's good to help people but for tedious questions - I have been pointing people in the direction of the search button or Google. C:-)

[LoungeActx]

I just want to say, I'm fairly new at Flash, I've been playing with it since Flash 4, well the animation part of it anyway, got into the actionscript in 5, and had a couple classes at school with Flash MX actionscripting. I turn to the 'experts' here at Kirupa when I run into a scripting problem, and I can't find a tutorial or a forum post that answers the questions.

Right now, I'm feeling 100% more confident using Flash MX, because of the great help of everyone here at Kirupa. I try to give back to the community by trying to answer the little questions the 'noobs' have that I have the ability to answer.

So, I just want to say thanks for putting up with all the stupid questions because your answers to those stupid questions help me learn more. =)

[upuaut]

And it only takes one of you to make all of that frustration worth the effort LoungeActx, at least for me. We appreciate your thanks and are glad that you are doing well with the program. Some day you'll do the same for someone else.

I guess I am kind of a sappy person too. I've watched "Pay it forward" three times now and (though I don't like to admit it) I've cried every time. I want in my heart to believe in a system of reward by satisfaction, rather than material gain. I hope that I've helped in my own small way to steer Kirupaforum's in that direction.

blessed be people
pay it forward

[lostinbeta]

Yes, people like loungeActX make it worth the effort to help people. It feels good knowing you helped someone and they actually appreciate it. Living here in Philly that <B>NEVER</B> happens in person.


Pay it forward! :)

[_2t0_Evenflow]

Jubba.. is filled.. with so much.. rage..

:love:

[upuaut]

Oblique ~ sweet footer. I hadn't seen it yet because I usually visit with the signatures turned off.
really once you know that you're a noob, to the point where you'll actively call youself one, you're no longer a noob... in general. :)

[LoungeActx]

There you go bashing Philly again! It's a nice city...trust me...I didn't find that out until I came to school up here in Hartford. If you wanna see an armpit of a city come here.

:)

[lostinbeta]

Sure, Philly is nice if you are willing to be in self-defense mode whenever you are outside :-\

The suburbs rock, but thats about it here.

[LoungeActx]

yeah..i'm guilty of being a suburbian...

its definately a city to visit for a day or 2...

my town's claim to fame is the movie 'Signs'

[lostinbeta]

lol. Mel Gibson made your town famous :P


Violence is my towns claim to fame :P

[LoungeActx]

yeah exactly...cornfields + Mel Gibson = INSTANT FAME

[lostinbeta]

LOL... Corny Mel :crazy: (haha.. get it?...hahaha... nevermind)

[telekinesis]

Originally posted by lostinbeta
LOL... Corny Mel :crazy: (haha.. get it?...hahaha... nevermind)

Oh no, not Shane's smart cracks again. By the way, where the hell did eilsoe go, haven't seen him post for like over 24 hours!

[lostinbeta]

Yeah, I noticed that too Dan. I was actually wondering the same thing.

[lostinbeta]

I just checked, Eilsoes last post was 02-12-2003 07:41 PM 2 days ago!!!!

I hope hes alright.

[telekinesis]

*cough*girlfriend*cough*

:P

*dan makes whipping sound*

[lostinbeta]

Probably today, but why didn't he post yesterday :o

[telekinesis]

*cough*boyfriend*cough*

:P

*dan makes whipping sound again*

[lostinbeta]

Hmmm makes perfect sense Dan...

[Aislin]

LMAO!!!

*nods to shane's comment* perfect sense.

[Jubba]

Sorry boys and girls, I gotta bump this up. Check out this thread.. .this is exactly the kind of crap that I am talking about...

http://tutorialforums.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=323950#post323950


I need a completey 3D room done completely in Flash done by Monday and I need to be able to drag and drop furniture into the room...

:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

[lostinbeta]

LOL!!!!!

Oh man..... did they seriously think they could do something like that in a jiffy without any problems?

[LoungeActx]

HAHAHAHA...

i love how he gave a time limit...

"I need it by Monday"

That guy needs to be slapped with a trout. :trout:

[lostinbeta]

He was probably hoping someone would do it for him. Ya know, since he doesn't know how and he NEEDS it done that automatically makes it someone elses responsibilty.

[Guig0]

LOL :P

what a wacko! :crazy:






btw...i need 1,000,000.00 U$ in my acount for tomorrow, and more 500,000.00 U$ per weekend or so.

Thanks ;)