View Full Version : Vote: Kax, guig0, eilsoe, Soul, Starpromo and Kitiara in a PIXEL BATTLE!!!
eilsoe
February 2nd, 2003, 06:23 PM
Vote for yer favorite pixel-art submission =)
NOTE: Participants can vote too, but NOT FOR THEMSELVES!!!
standard battle rules :) If you do, it's cheating, and yes, we CAN see who voted for who :bad:
Keep it clean fellas, and GET VOTING!!
NOTE: The winner will be the first to reach 30 votes, or the one with most votes in 10 days.
Soul
February 2nd, 2003, 07:07 PM
Oooo excitin'!.... :bounce:
So whats the final date Eilsoe? When the winner is announced I mean...
- Soul :goatee:
eilsoe
February 2nd, 2003, 07:08 PM
*oops*
Edited the above post the clear that little mishap up :)
Soul
February 2nd, 2003, 07:13 PM
It's not cheating to vote for someone else is it??
- Soul :goatee:
kode
February 2nd, 2003, 07:16 PM
yeah ! i really like one entry and i wanna vote for it !! :*(
PS: good luck everyone ;)
eilsoe
February 2nd, 2003, 07:16 PM
Well, I would say no to that, but the general rules state that all participants in a battle can not vote in the particular battle...
so.. I guess we should stick to that... I'd like to vote too, but let's follow the rules :)
telekinesis
February 2nd, 2003, 07:28 PM
I was in a fight between eilsoe and soul. But damn it, eilsoe just had something that caught my eye, sorry soul :*(
No hard feelings, I loved them all, but his was just the bestest! ;)
Good Luck, hopefully I will get to organizing this forum area this week!
Soul
February 2nd, 2003, 07:30 PM
That hasn't been a rule in any past battle...
If we like another entry what doesn't it hurt to vote for it? In fact I think it's a good thing :beam:
- Soul :goatee:
eilsoe
February 2nd, 2003, 07:38 PM
well, if it hasn't been a rule in the other battles, then by all means VOTE AWAY :P
:phil:
Oblique
February 2nd, 2003, 07:39 PM
All I can say is wow.. All those were great but I think kax takes the gold on this one.. Very nice job everybody! :P
grifterX
February 2nd, 2003, 07:42 PM
everyone did a great job, especially soul...you get my vote:beam:
kode
February 2nd, 2003, 07:43 PM
wow !! the first vote for my kastle !!! :P
thank you very much Oblique :love:
pom
February 2nd, 2003, 07:44 PM
Very nice entries, really. I voted for Kax because I admire his work on the shadows. Very impressive man :beam:
eilsoe
February 2nd, 2003, 07:44 PM
Dan: Was it the trout-eating werm? :beam:
pom: Yeah, he REALLY amazed me with those shadows as well... I can't decide right now.. I need more time...
ahmed
February 2nd, 2003, 09:59 PM
pretty darn hard to vote :smirk:
Pewter
February 3rd, 2003, 12:41 AM
I LOVED soul's castle...
especially how it was 3d and just looked very nice
....HOWEVER
eilsoe's was also quite hip...and it was also well done, but the comic speech bubbles made me....
vote for eilsoe...
but both of yours are very nicely done.
lostinbeta
February 3rd, 2003, 12:48 AM
I voted ;)
It was a tough choice between Soul and Eilsoe, but I chose my choice and voted.
all were excellent entires though.
Bravo.. Bravo
:evil:
reverendflash
February 3rd, 2003, 01:09 AM
Good Grief...
Kit: nice... way better than I would have done..
guigo: wonderful use of color to imitate reflection. I thought the angle of the reflection was off... unless it was supposed to be looking into the water...
kax: beautiful use of shading...
starpromo: just as I said with kit above, very nice.
eilsoe: you got my vote mainly because of your use of color, plus an addition of humor is never wasted on me... I didn't like the way the restrooms looked tho...
Excellent job all of you guys!
Revhttp://www.aulman.com/rev.gif
eyeinfinitude
February 3rd, 2003, 01:40 AM
Goodness!! These entries are awesome, I envy you guys. It was hard to decide, but it came down to eilsoe's and soul's. I ended up voting for Soul's because I liked the colors he used and the amount of detail put in. Eilsoe's piece is detailed as well, but the colors weren't too appealing. Great job everyone. =)
UNFLUX
February 3rd, 2003, 02:16 AM
the trend continues...
soul and eilsoe were my favs as well. But, [sigh] I had to decide
of course. And I did, bravely and valiantly.
Nice work everyone!
/unflux
:goatee:
eilsoe
February 3rd, 2003, 04:33 AM
Ah.. finally placed my vote... :)
and it was NOT on myself, ask kirupa to check if ya don't believe me :P
Kitiara
February 3rd, 2003, 06:11 AM
See, I <i>told</i> you all that this would be between Eilsoe and Soul. :)
You two guys have both come up with amazing entries. It's near on impossible to choose between them, I love them both. :love:
I'm soooo jealous of your skills.
And thank you to the person that had the courage / stupidity (delete as appropriate) to cast their vote for me. :cyborg:
eilsoe
February 3rd, 2003, 06:22 AM
np kit :)
Kitiara
February 3rd, 2003, 06:24 AM
:blush:
eilsoe
February 3rd, 2003, 06:25 AM
that smilie says it all :P
Kitiara
February 3rd, 2003, 06:57 AM
What if I went :cyborg: ?
Hehe. I think I need a lot more practice to compete with the likes of you guys. :)
eilsoe
February 3rd, 2003, 07:20 AM
u'r still the lineart champ around here hunn ;)
.soulty
February 3rd, 2003, 07:22 AM
placed my vote, all entry's were awesome, well done everyone. :smirk:
eilsoe
February 3rd, 2003, 07:24 AM
:phil: heehee...
Kitiara
February 3rd, 2003, 07:27 AM
Pixel art is <i>hard</i>. :smirk:
Eilsoe and Soul are neck and neck at the moment. Gripping! :beam:
Guig0
February 3rd, 2003, 07:37 AM
you didnīt have to use the old version of my castle with kingdom spelled wrong :whistle:
you could have picked the new one :bad:
even tho, i voted for you ;)
was hard to decide, all entries were great, but it was really between you and soul.
Good job everybody! :beam:
senocular
February 3rd, 2003, 07:40 AM
Loved them all but I was torn between eilsoe and kax. kax's shadows are what impressed me most, and if the castle was populated or had a little more color, I might have voted there, but I instead took to eilsoe's because of the people and captions ;) It also embodies more what I think of as 'pixel art', which is very straight or isometric, not to say those that werent wer bad because of that; in fact that gives a more impressive look and feel, but I needed some fun and eilsoe delivered. What shocked me most is that there were more people waiting in line at the mens bathrooms... hmm, guess its mostly guys there. :) The duck reflections were also a nice touch.
Soul was a close 3rd.
Guig0
February 3rd, 2003, 07:58 AM
now iīm ashaned coz i donīt have any vote at all :(
senocular
February 3rd, 2003, 08:01 AM
Originally posted by Guig0
now iīm ashaned coz i donīt have any vote at all :(
your reflections were good too! ...I just didnt want to be associated with anything related to spam :!:
:)
eilsoe
February 3rd, 2003, 08:12 AM
guig0: U posted the final one? Where...?
Guig0
February 3rd, 2003, 08:32 AM
who voted for me? :beam: i have one vote...:whistle:
eilsoe: why you have been mean to me? what did i say or do that hurt your feelings :q: whaat ? :*(
first you cut me out of the loop on the battle thread, then you post that castle, with the word kigdom wrong spelled, just to make me look stupid :(
why :*(
on page 14 of the battle thread i have two attache files of the newer version
eilsoe
February 3rd, 2003, 08:35 AM
Aww get off it, I'm not trying to be mean...!
I just missed the damn file... I'll change it now then...
EDIT: It's changed now. but FYI, I used THE SAME pic in the poll as the one I just changed it to. So either my IE is ****ed up (BIG surprise :)) or ghosts are haunting this forum...
senocular
February 3rd, 2003, 08:43 AM
so wait, is it different now? ... Im lost, what changed?
eilsoe
February 3rd, 2003, 08:45 AM
he spelled "Kingdom" wrong...
strange thing is... I uploaded the very same attachment he referred to.. so... last night it was misspelled, and today it isnt...
and he can't change an attachment.. :-\
this forum is haunted.... :x
andr.in
February 3rd, 2003, 11:08 AM
dammmit! Don't make it so hard on me!
eilsoe's is funny. Kit's is kinda cool!
guig0's is kinda clean n' cool!
Ok guigo, be happy!
Guig0
February 3rd, 2003, 11:42 AM
You voted for me?? :beam:
youīre the best! :P
did i mentioned you have the best footer? ;)
thanks man, you made one kirupian happy =)
kode
February 3rd, 2003, 11:51 AM
i am not happy :( !!
i could have done something better than a sad grey unpopulated castle with good shadows ..
oh well .. i will next time :bad:
eilsoe
February 3rd, 2003, 07:17 PM
Anybody noticed the shadows on my entry?
I even have shadows on the flowers! :P
the boring days at work/school is gold in a pixel battle :smirk:
kode
February 3rd, 2003, 07:22 PM
lol .. it's true !! :P
i didn't see it before .. :crazy:
Soul
February 3rd, 2003, 07:35 PM
Hey stop selling yours Eilsoe! lol
I worked really really hard on mine! :P
Heheh :bad: (and it took a really long time! :beam: )
- Soul :goatee:
eilsoe
February 3rd, 2003, 07:37 PM
So did I!! =)
~nar nar! :P
Makaveli
February 4th, 2003, 12:37 AM
guig0 i voted for you!!! just cuz eilsoe tried to screw you over by linking the WRONG SPEELing one.... ;) j/k :P :P
btw, how the HELL do you make a spelling mistake during pixel art.......lol
why aren't you posting as much anymore i love reading your hillarious remarks :love:
Kitiara
February 4th, 2003, 06:05 AM
Methinks that next time I ought to forget an avant-garde approach and do something that doesn't look like a washed up sandcastle... :cyborg:
Guig0
February 4th, 2003, 06:59 AM
Originally posted by Makaveli
guig0 i voted for you!!! just cuz eilsoe tried to screw you over by linking the WRONG SPEELing one.... j/k
btw, how the HELL do you make a spelling mistake during pixel art.......lol
why aren't you posting as much anymore i love reading your hillarious remarks :love:
you can always count on mak to vote in you when you need ;) :P
thanks for the vote mak =) i think :P
yep, iīm not posting as much anymore coz berta (you know who) left me :(
but thatīs ok, iīm getting a new one for me tomorrow :blush: and then:
::said like terminator:: iīll be back!
:P :P
megatron
February 4th, 2003, 11:47 AM
what programs do you guys use to make those pixel pictures? Is there somthing that Im missing or do you just end up doing it in illustrator or somthing?:moustache
Guig0
February 4th, 2003, 12:06 PM
some use m$paint, others photoshop or fireworks.
sintax321
February 4th, 2003, 01:46 PM
i went with eilsoe. Nice detail;)
=VALOR=
February 4th, 2003, 03:13 PM
I vote for Kitiara.
She had the only castle which wasnt all 45° corners.
The others were more worked, but this one stood out for me because it was different. (and it was a cute castle).
=V=
Guig0
February 4th, 2003, 03:17 PM
were did you see 45š corners in mine?
=VALOR=
February 4th, 2003, 04:43 PM
Ehmmmmmmm ..............:whistle:
True. Sorry.
eilsoe
February 4th, 2003, 05:18 PM
whoops, eh, valor? :P
lol
Kitiara
February 4th, 2003, 06:28 PM
I don't care! I got a second vote! :beam:
Thank you very much for voting for my little castle. Still got a long way to catch up with Soul and Eilsoe though. :cyborg:
Oblique
February 4th, 2003, 09:24 PM
Now that I look at it more, I really really like yours Kit :P I was just skimming through them and voted, but now that I look at em again, I should have voted for you :( Love the castle, and the background work for it.. Kinda looks like one of those Aztec Mayan thingers you see in the mountains or whatever :beam:
Nice job too all..
senocular
February 4th, 2003, 10:06 PM
Kax's was the only one with 45š corners
eilsoe
February 5th, 2003, 01:56 AM
right :)
Kitiara
February 5th, 2003, 06:10 AM
Wow, I've got three votes now... :)
Love the castle, and the background work for it.. Kinda looks like one of those Aztec Mayan thingers you see in the mountains or whatever Thank you very much... It's actually a castle from here in England, near Gloucester. Used to go up around there on holiday when I was a kid, and I had some old holiday snaps.
There's lots of ruined castles round here (there's one 15 minutes from where I live in fact, called Rochester Castle) so I wanted to draw one of those, do something a bit different.
But Soul and Eilsoe are in a whole new league with their pixel art. :)
eilsoe
February 5th, 2003, 07:05 AM
*just 11 more votes, just 11 more votes!!*
Kitiara
February 5th, 2003, 07:18 AM
Just 27 more votes... Just 27 more votes...
I might stage a late comeback, you never know... :evil:
eilsoe
February 5th, 2003, 07:27 AM
"stage" a late comeback...? :bad:
Guig0
February 5th, 2003, 07:47 AM
Originally posted by =VALOR=
Ehmmmmmmm ..............:whistle:
True. Sorry.
np dude :) i was just messing with ya :P
a vote for kit isnīt a wasted vote ;)
h88
February 5th, 2003, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by eilsoe
*just 11 more votes, just 11 more votes!!*
10
:cool:
Your entry is really cool eilsoe, Good Job Everyone!
eilsoe
February 5th, 2003, 02:58 PM
WOHOO!!!!! :P:P:P
senocular
February 5th, 2003, 03:13 PM
wow Im surprised 42 votes managed to get up there. How many total votes do you usually get for these kinds of things? all those crazy mystery people out there... wheeeeee
pinx
February 5th, 2003, 04:05 PM
soul, that is simply amazing.
Soul
February 5th, 2003, 04:06 PM
Thanks :bounce:
- Soul :goatee:
h88
February 5th, 2003, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by senocular
wow Im surprised 42 votes managed to get up there. How many total votes do you usually get for these kinds of things? all those crazy mystery people out there... wheeeeee
Even more sometimes:
http://www.kirupaforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11090
senocular
February 5th, 2003, 05:43 PM
ooooo, aaaah, oooooh .... wtf. They're all GREAT and I save EGs for last because it was the highest rated (yeah LOTS on that one too) and its not there! pfffft. lol
:searches franticly:
lostinbeta
February 5th, 2003, 05:46 PM
EG switched hosts and servers since then :-\
Starpromo
February 5th, 2003, 11:07 PM
:(
aaww
never mind
katie335
February 6th, 2003, 06:08 AM
hello
i dont know much about this pixel art thing, but I like the look of souls, its very realistic and full of atmopshere, wel done everyone
kate :love:
eilsoe
February 7th, 2003, 09:39 AM
this voting went pfft....
nothing for 2 days...!
Soul
February 7th, 2003, 09:46 AM
Hey Eilsoe :beam:
The voting is bound to slow down because theres less people, I'm sure more people will find it eventually...
- Soul :goatee:
eilsoe
February 7th, 2003, 09:50 AM
****
I was ahead 9 votes before, how did you rack up 6 so fast???
Soul
February 7th, 2003, 09:58 AM
*shrug* Don't ask me
How fast did I get 6?
You're still winning :P
- Soul :goatee:
Kitiara
February 7th, 2003, 10:10 AM
I got another one, I'm catching you up slowly. :evil:
Very slowly. Er, how long has the voting got left?
Besides, we've got aaround 40 or so votes, and they're spread over five people, so it would take longer than if it was just between two people. Well, obviously it <i>is</i> between two of you... :) If you took the votes for the mere mortals and added them to you two, then one of you would have crossed the line by now. :beam:
Soul
February 7th, 2003, 10:17 AM
Hey Kit, at work?
Who did you vote for? :moustache
- Soul :goatee:
Kitiara
February 7th, 2003, 10:23 AM
Yeah, at work, but not actually dong much. Eating a mint Aero and doodling with Photoshop. Eh, it's Friday afternoon, what else am I supposed to do? :)
Ooo, not sure if I should say who I voted for... Oh alright then. I voted for yours.
Close thing between you and Eilsoe, I have to admit. Almost didn't vote because I couldn't decide between them. But I went for yours, it showed more of the actual castle, and had that nice tudor bit in it too.
Soul
February 7th, 2003, 10:32 AM
:beam:
Thanks Kit, I liked the tudor bit too :)
What castle did you say yours was based on?
- Soul :goatee:
Kitiara
February 7th, 2003, 10:36 AM
It's one up in Gloucestershire... I used to visit it a lot when I went on holiday with my parents when I was young. Can't remember the name of it though.
Was always mad about castles. Loved the whole medieval thing.
Soul
February 7th, 2003, 10:37 AM
Me too, love medieval! :) Probably something to do with our past lives heh :P
- Soul :goatee:
Kitiara
February 7th, 2003, 10:44 AM
Ah, the question is though, what were you? A good knight or an evil knight? :smirk:
Soul
February 7th, 2003, 10:48 AM
Probably a king :P
Or a merchant heh
You?
- Soul :goatee:
Kitiara
February 7th, 2003, 10:50 AM
Either the beautiful princess or the wicked witch. Jury is still out on that one. :P
kode
February 7th, 2003, 12:49 PM
hey soul .. i finally voted this morning
i voted for yours too !! =)
i really like it .. actually i wanted to do something like that but i have no patience .. :sleep:
Soul
February 7th, 2003, 02:32 PM
Thanks Kax :beam:
I think priness Kit :P
Heh
- Soul :goatee:
Guig0
February 7th, 2003, 02:36 PM
:-\
kirupa
February 8th, 2003, 09:44 PM
Wow, these have to be the best pixel art designs I have seen created. I voted for soul's because it just simple, angled. I also really liked all the things going on in eilsoe's graphic. If it wasn't for the wall eilsoe (I like cool slanted, twisted things) I would have def voted for your cool graphic. It was more of a tie between both of you guys really =)
Cheers!
Kirupa :eye:
Soul
February 9th, 2003, 01:15 PM
Thanks Big K :ub:
- Soul :goatee:
Kitiara
February 10th, 2003, 10:21 AM
Oooo, this is going to be <i>close</i>! ;)
eilsoe
February 10th, 2003, 10:26 AM
how on earth could he have gained 12 votes so fast???
grr!!!!
:(
oh well, it's just a battle :beam:
Kitiara
February 10th, 2003, 10:36 AM
Maybe we ought to declare a tie between the two of you? :)
Guig0
February 10th, 2003, 10:55 AM
all 3 of you :P :(
Thank you very much! ;)
[Legoman]
February 10th, 2003, 11:00 AM
I went with kax's kastle. damned fine.
kode
February 10th, 2003, 11:11 AM
thank you very much legoman =)
and thank you to those who voted for me :)
and a another thank you to eilsoe since hosting the kastle ;) i wanted to say it before but i completely forgot .. sorry :-\
Soul
February 10th, 2003, 02:14 PM
lol don't ask me...
Its getting interesting :moustache
- Soul :goatee:
eilsoe
February 10th, 2003, 02:46 PM
I'm starting to believe Soul will win this one...
kode
February 10th, 2003, 03:17 PM
i'm starting to believe that you're right ...
Guig0
February 10th, 2003, 03:40 PM
how come we have more votes than posters? :-\
lostinbeta
February 10th, 2003, 03:50 PM
Some people prefer to be anonymous I suppose.
pom
February 10th, 2003, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by Guig0
how come we have more votes than posters? :-\ Maybe Eilsoe cheated? :evil:
eilsoe
February 10th, 2003, 04:06 PM
lol, yearh right! :P
Ask Kirupa to check which members voted, and them compare IP's! :bad:
or.. whatever he does...
I remember the last "cheater" we had here :P
pom
February 10th, 2003, 04:09 PM
:beam: :love:
Makaveli
February 10th, 2003, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by eilsoe
lol, yearh right! :P
Ask Kirupa to check which members voted, and them compare IP's! :bad:
or.. whatever he does...
I remember the last "cheater" we had here :P
who WAS the last "cheater"
????
Guig0
February 10th, 2003, 05:11 PM
cheater... i didnīt imply that ;)
Kitiara
February 11th, 2003, 06:02 AM
how come we have more votes than posters? Maybe some people prefer to just vote and not post a reason as to their preference?
Soul
February 11th, 2003, 07:59 AM
I do that sometimes Kit, especially when I can't really think of a reason.
Right, I've finally made my vote lol...
I voted for Kit because I liked the style, would ahve been better bigger but still cool :beam:
- Soul :goatee:
Guig0
February 11th, 2003, 08:06 AM
:!: we have a tie! :stunned:
Cool =)
Kitiara
February 11th, 2003, 08:11 AM
I voted for Kit because I liked the style, would ahve been better bigger but still cool Awww, thank you. :blush: Gives me a grand total of five votes. :beam: Don't think I'll be beating you quite yet though, Soul...
eilsoe
February 11th, 2003, 08:29 AM
I voted for ya too kit ;)
I was your first... :sure:
Kitiara
February 11th, 2003, 09:59 AM
And I'll never forget it. ;)
That accounts for two of my votes, and a few others have said they voted for me, but I think there's one or two mystery votes. Same for everyone, really. :)
Soul
February 11th, 2003, 12:09 PM
These votes change everytime I look!
Its way too tense for me :x
Anyway, now this battle is over I can finish (start lol) my Kirupaville block...
Hmmm ideas... *thinks*
- Soul :goatee:
Guig0
February 11th, 2003, 12:20 PM
how about that 30 votes rule?
I was just hiring 30 ppl to sign up to kitupa and vote for me... :(
mjULTRA
February 11th, 2003, 01:55 PM
i really liked all the entires, especially eilsoe's but i voted for soul's, because it didn't use the traditional 'to the edge' format, and he successfully broke out of the isometric only view.
Kit your castle was wild, was it done from a photograph?
Soul
February 11th, 2003, 04:23 PM
Guig0, I meant 'over' because I finished my entry, not because the voting was over.
Thanks Majeye! :beam::bounce:
- Soul :goatee:
Soul
February 11th, 2003, 04:28 PM
When did you vote Majeye?
- Soul :goatee:
telekinesis
February 11th, 2003, 04:41 PM
Who will be the tie breaker :cowboy:
Kitiara
February 12th, 2003, 05:52 AM
Kit your castle was wild, was it done from a photograph? Yeah, I used one of my old holiday snaps as a reference. One of the places I used to get taken on holiday to when I was a kid was up near Gloucester, and there was this old ruined castle. Used to love going there, and in the middle of this battle I suddenly remembered it and dug out my old photos. Had that next to me while I was drawing it. :)
mjULTRA
February 12th, 2003, 04:47 PM
Cool Kit. very original...
Soul - I voted a few days ago, but never posted why, and decided to add my coments, after i voted. Good Job everyone who entered..
eilsoe
February 12th, 2003, 08:41 PM
IT'S A TIE!!!!
26 - 26 , me and Soul :beam:
Kir, add it to the main page ;)
kode
February 12th, 2003, 08:58 PM
a tie ?? :stunned: that's not funny :sleep:
anyway .. i guess it only proves that you both are great at this ;)
Soul
February 13th, 2003, 05:31 AM
Oh wow a tie, thats kinda cool :beam:
Congrats Eilsoe :bounce:
Well done everyone else too, I liked all the entries :)
This has got to be the biggest battle yet, most entries, most quality and most votes! :)
- Soul :goatee:
Kitiara
February 13th, 2003, 06:05 AM
I can scarcely believe it... Although I have to say that it would have been impossible to choose between the two entries. Perhaps this is the fairest result in the end. :)
Actually, I think results from three battles need to be put up - this one, the cartoon characters one and the line art one. Are there any more that haven't had the reults officially put up?
eilsoe
February 16th, 2003, 07:10 PM
voting ended, thread died :-\
what gives??
oh, Soul, thx for the battle ;)
it was scary in the end...
Soul
February 16th, 2003, 08:41 PM
Haha yeh it was Eilsoe, but thats what makes a good battle...tension!
I suppose this way we're both happy? :beam:
- Soul :goatee:
Soul
February 16th, 2003, 08:45 PM
Oh and when do you think it will be added to the past winners?
- Soul :goatee:
eilsoe
February 17th, 2003, 02:12 AM
I dunno, but we're on the main page now :beam:
sheep
February 22nd, 2003, 08:47 PM
i made a castle and put it in Help Build Kirupaville long before this thread started. ....wonder why i wasnt included,,,???
racist sheep haters!
kode
February 22nd, 2003, 09:12 PM
ehmm .. maybe because you never said that you wanted to participate in the battle ?? :sigh:
sheep
February 22nd, 2003, 09:20 PM
likely story
kode
February 22nd, 2003, 09:40 PM
posted by sheep
likely story
lol :P
besides i wouldn't agreed if you already had the castle .. :-\
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