Submissions for 1/24/03-1/30/03 (reply to this thread to submit a site)

[RenaissanceGirl]

If you wish to be considered for the SOTW for January 24 through January 30, 2003, please read the summary of rules:

1) Reply by Thursday, January 23 to be considered for this week's award.

2) Include the URL and your email address. Only the webmaster/creator of the site can submit.

3) Websites submitted must be at least 90% Flash. Sites that have HTML pages with a Flash intro are ineligible.

4) While it is understood that sites are perpetually under construction, please submit only complete sites. Do not submit a site that is less than 80% finished.

5) There will be a private poll among the moderators and a winner will be announced on Monday, February 3, 2003.

6) No critiques or feedback is allowed in the submission thread. If you wish a concentrated critique of your site, you may start a thread in Site Check (http://www.kirupaforum.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=22).

For more information or questions, please refer to the comprehensive rules for SOTW (http://www.kirupaforum.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=5037#post5037). Once you have read and understand the rules above, you may submit your site to this thread. Sites not adhering to the rules above will be disqualified and deleted. Submitting your site is an agreement and acceptance of the rules.

[akurth]

Just wanted to say hello to everybody.

Sorry I am posting here, but I used to post here so I know people in this section the best.

Happy new year to all!

Hey Rennaisance Girl how are you? I see you are still posting here, as always :beam: .

I am hoping to share some new things with you guys soon.

I am starting a new company so I am swamped.

But http://www.alexkurth.com will still remain my creative outlet, don't have a new site up yet, but have some samples posted of new things, as well as haev a new intro page of some new crazy sh_t I want to do.

Oh, and the first page is a photo of me :cowboy: !

Hope you are all well.

Talk to you all soon.

Also a shout out to Kirupa, ilyaslamasse, and all teh rest of the crew (you know who you are).

Alex

[Bezzer]

Hi,

My new site is up and i'm submitting it to sotw :) www.bezzanet.idz.net

Email address: buds_a_bird@hotmail.com

ok cya l8r :)

[demz]

due to some guyz opinion...here's mine

www.notredem.com
e-mail (dem@notredem.com)

cya

demz

[eilsoe]

GUYS, REMEMBER THE MAIL ADRESSES!!

[PinoyFlasher]

url: http://geocities.com/wildsaints2002/new.html

email: wildsaints2002@yahoo.com

[ADverseFX.com]

http://www.adversefx.com

rwalton@adversefx.com

And the winner is?

Ciao'

[annexion]

http://www.annexionsg.com

annexion@annexion.com

Thanks guys.

[sheep]

www.coolmagician.com

[Jubba]

Originally posted by eilsoe
GUYS, REMEMBER THE MAIL ADRESSES!!

[sheep]

let me tell you something about sheep.. Just cause you type it in big bold letters it doesnt mean a sheep's gunna read it...

heh

shear me.. please... q@d7.bz

[RenaissanceGirl]

The results are in:

Bezzer 0%
demz 66.67%
PinoyFlasher 0%
annexion 16.67%
sheep 16.67%

The winner is DEMZ!

Congratulations demz. You may also post a graphical award from this page: http://www.kirupa.com/gallery/awards.asp

Good job to all the participants. One of the valuable aspects of SOTW is to get valuable feedback about your site and get an idea of how well it stands beside some of the best on the web. Check back later as mod critiques will be posted later today.

[sheep]

i dont know about anyone else, but im rather interested in why the judges voted in the way they did.... i didnt know that an actionscript was the only element to an "award" winning design...


perhaps someone would clarify

[slayerment]

i wasn't a judge but www.notredem.com was beautiful. a full blown guestbook in flash, beautiful transitions, excellent navigation, original color scheme, customizable, everything about it was top notch. this was deffinately one of the best sites ive seen nominated for sotw imho.

[lostinbeta]

Hmm, Ren is supposed to post critiques. I might do it later if I have time.

[sheep]

i can handle not winning just fine, id just like to know why, ..also like to see the winner show up to take his prize - but i guess thats just the name of the game

[lostinbeta]

<B>Bezzer:</B>
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Could be improved upon. Nothing I haven't seen before..
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Not too shabby. A definite improvement over the last version. Also it is nothign astounding, pretty common look for flash sites. I experienced issues in changing from one section into the portfolio section. If you click on the Portfolio button it just loads the title as "Folio" and that is that.
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not much happening here. Some experiments are really nice (I like the smoke very much), but there are no surprises, almost no animations, no transitions...
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<B>Demz:</B>
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Demz: Nice colors, transitions. Overall look is really appealing. Nice menu system too.
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Sorry, no chance of ever getting my vote until it is functional. I am locked out of your site simply because I do not meet the 1024x768 minimum requirement standard. I don't even get a chance to see any bit of content. Although the line is growing for larger monitors, the majority of web users do still use 800x600 and creating a site that locks those people out is not functional. Unless you release a version that works on both resolutions and/or create two seperate versions you don't have a chance for my vote.
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Pretty good interface. I don't like the colors so much, but the hard work shows. Too bad there's not much content.
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<B>PinoyFlasher:</B>
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Nice looking site. Graphics are nice. Nothing too special, but still good looking.
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Another 2Advanced copy navigation menu. The draggable windows really made no sense to be draggable, and if you closed the window out and went to a new section the window you closed out popped up again and then then disappeared and the new content was shown. The site also lagged a lot on my system. Overall look is pretty good but the interface is a tad buggy.
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I don't know, there's something I don't like about the site. I'm not sure exactly what it is
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<B>Annexion:</B>
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Nice text effects. Other than that not too much going on in the site. Good site in terms of simplicity and conquering objectives.
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Please, please, please add a skip intro button, it takes ages to enter your site. Your navigation menu is interesting, I like it, but there is nothing fascinating about your site. Everything but the menu system could easily be done in HTML.
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Not bad, but 2 colors is not much, there's an empty section, and the links don't work in the "Learn" section. I like the menu idea, but apart from that, there's nothing to scream about.
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<B>Sheep:</B>
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Nice site. I feel that they should up the FPS a little. Rather simple in terms of what can be done with the power of flash...
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Hmm, kinda slow intro, but you have the option to skip that... which is good. Cool music, I really dug it. Nothing astounding, but out of the selection here I felt you have the most functional site with a nice look. Your navigation is clear, your sections don't take long to load, and your transitions to them don't take long at all. I likes.
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The intro is fun, but the site is a bit dull.
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[lostinbeta]

There are the critiques.

[sheep]

much appreciated - and i agree completley with what you have said regarding most. for the record, this site was designed FOR a client unlike most submissions to this forum - which means that it is restricted to the clients personal interests.. If he had of offered up the money and the permission to take it to the next level, we surely would have. thanks again, i really appreciate the feedback. :)

[lostinbeta]

No problem sheep. Musta slipped Rens mind to post the critiques. An easy thing to forget. Thanks for bringing it up though, one of the adjustments we made to SOTW was that we will post critiques on the entries, and it would be unfair to not do that one week.

[sheep]

i heard you just restricted the voting to mods recently - though i imagine you have you reasons (i was not on the board when you did this, so i have no idea what transpired), but i think reducing the number of possible voters from infinity to whichever mods CHOOSE to vote might be a little naive.. I mean, another and i got 16.whatever% of the vote... but that just means 1 person. Big deal, we sold 1 person. The winner only sold 3, 4... But, a website like any other product is simply a matter of opinion, and opinions are based only averages and percentages of a total population. If i put 1 black marble into a bag with 30 whites, you might pull it first, you might pull it last... you might pull it 20th,... my point is that if more people judged, there would be more impact to the result.

the way it is, 5 people who we dont know vote simply because they are in the position to do so. If im not aware of who you are (since we dont get to know who voted for what), and i cant see your own portfolio, why the hell should we care about your opinion:q: know what i mean? there are like 30 Mods here,... if you 30 atleast voted on each site of the week, the final outcome would be much more meaningful. If i got that same 1 vote, id get 3%...not 16%

i have this horrible tendancy to stick my sheep where it doesnt belong, so i hope im not stepping on toes here, but im only saying it how i see it. im not going to get into any details really, because i dont want to come off as a jealous bad loser, but i find it a little insulting that an unfinished site could take the prize,.... doesnt matter how good it is, its not quite a site yet. ...lol..I mean, they dont give an oscar to a movie that has just put out a trailer... beta realised this, who is to say that if 24 other people had voted, they might have agreed. i dunno.. i figure that if someones a mod, they would WANT to be apart of the websites award.


anyway, if i see more moderator participation in the comming weeks, perhaps ill try my luck again. but until them ill lurk in the SOTW shadows (especially this week, cause there are some D-A-M-N good sites in there.. sheeeeit). Thanks to everyone this week, it was fun. Congrats Demz, your is half a site was still pretty sweet. i actually got them to look like they were juggling at one point, pretty cool.

Sheep**** :cool:

[lostinbeta]

Well we restricted to mods only because we didn't want people cheating to gain votes in their site. I mean people could easily convince other members or friends to sign up and vote for them. That would be unfair to the other participants.


Not to mention it is Kirupas SOTW not Kirupa Forums Members SOTW , so he chose to have the mods vote and he votes as well.

Mod participation was low this week unfortunately :-\ But the selection wasn't too great either.


I hope next week will have more mod participation, there are some kickin' sites in there and I am going to have trouble deciding on that one (-:

[sheep]

no doubt man,... i sure wouldnt submit anything this week...its insane

[pom]

Just saying *officially :)* that I completely agree with Sheep on that one. ALL MODS have to vote!! If we have so few votes every week, we'll have to do something :hangover:, and the general poll wouldn't be a bad idea.

I believe that it is the first week this happens though.

[lostinbeta]

Yeah, this weeks mod participation was the lowest so far.


Usually the alert e-mails get them here to at least vote if they don't have time to critique.


Oh, and there aren't 30 mods, there are 16 (including Kirupa).

[demz]

thx a LOT for appreciation given.
thx a LOT for feedback posted.
thx a lot for SOTW award.

all the rest, I don't mind...
I join this contest just for fun...and I win.
that's all.

you can win or lose.
be appreciated or ****ed off, forever and ever.
sad but true, real, life.

cheers ya all

demz

[800*600 version coming soon, just for info :)]

[lostinbeta]

Originally posted by demz
[800*600 version coming soon, just for info :)]


Well thats good, I was kinda mad that I couldn't see what all the buzz was about :(

[RenaissanceGirl]

Thanks so much for your help Lost! I've been meaning to post the crits, but yes it did slip my mind as my real life responsibilities unexpectedly came down on me this week.

In any case - you have a point sheep, but usually mod participation is really good with SOTW. I think mod participation was poor this time since the submissions were less than stellar this week. And who knows... maybe people were busy this time.

[sheep]

aww..

thats pretty gay if you ask me. You say that you want to keep it site of the WEEK, but now you say that if the sites arent good enough or not many enough, it isnt worth your time to cast your vote.

what a hypocritical thing to say - so absolutley void of integrity, and makes me want to win SOTW just so i can print out the little graphic and wipe my *** with it.


you guys sure need to get your ****e together, it kindof smells.

[lostinbeta]

If you don't like the way it works, don't submit. Simple as that.

SOTW is just a little thing we do here. It isn't like winning the award gets you free software or any special prize. It lets you put a little graphic on your site saying you won, and that is of course optional when winning (I don't believe EG put one up on his site).

[sheep]

the way i see it is you guys have a book and you have an insane number of hits here,.. you guys have a chance to really dominate the flash tutorial industry and i think your SOTW is the best possible marketing tool. ..but, ill say no more :x

[RenaissanceGirl]

Hey - I can't force everyone to participate in this and I certainly won't spam their PMs and email boxes to make them vote! Personally, yes, I did think the sites this time were "less than stellar." But that's comparatively - just look at the previous winners - elec, yamo, billz, akos. Even the previous submissions who didn't win were on a higher level.

Sure this award might not be as full blown as the Webbys, but after doing it for so long we have come to expect a certain standard. What's so wrong with that? Just because I told you previously that this wasn't a full blown main feature, did you assume that it would be a small enough deal that we wouldn't be picky? That did not stop me from voting - but I guess you just assumed that I didn't participate this time based on my theories for the lack of participation. And again, these are just MY theories. There is really required level or flash expertise to participate in this thing. That was just a guess of mine - I also guessed that maybe everyone was busy this time around - it's not a totally shocking and impossible thing for people to actually be too busy.

And if you believe the SOTW isn't worthy of your participation, an award having no more use than to wipe your high and mighty ***, why are you getting all huffy about it.

[RenaissanceGirl]

Originally posted by sheep
the way it is, 5 people who we dont know vote simply because they are in the position to do so. If im not aware of who you are (since we dont get to know who voted for what), and i cant see your own portfolio, why the hell should we care about your opinion know what i mean? there are like 30 Mods here,... if you 30 atleast voted on each site of the week, the final outcome would be much more meaningful. If i got that same 1 vote, id get 3%...not 16%



I don't know why you should care what these strangers think about your site, but these strangers sure didn't force you to submit your site. If you don't want to be judged by strangers then you shouldn't submit your site. And it's not like you can't find out who these strangers are anyway, here's a perfectly accessible list of the moderators (http://www.kirupaforum.com/showgroups.php?s=).

[sheep]

even if i had of put smileys in, would you have sensed some of the sarcasm?... :sure: :beam: C:-) no huffyness, i was sincerely just presenting a viewpoint and wanted to hear your response. I know the projects (including my own) were less than stellar in comparisson to a lot of work submitted, im no sheep. and if you would read an earlier post of mine in another thread, i mentioned the fact that you can submit one week and have less competition than another - and you said that having it Weekly was the best option. - .... i feel like this guy :phil:


*puts boxing gloves on* 8]

[sheep]

SHeeeeeeeeeeeit. Aaaaaaall im said there was that it would be nice to know who said what since the work was only worthy of 6 mods precious time lol... gimme a break already, :crazy:

[RenaissanceGirl]

Originally posted by sheep
the way i see it is you guys have a book and you have an insane number of hits here,.. you guys have a chance to really dominate the flash tutorial industry and i think your SOTW is the best possible marketing tool. ..but, ill say no more :x

How is SOTW the best marketing tool? If we were more loose in our judgment of sites, as you suggested, then wouldn't diminish it's value as a valuable resource?

The number of posts in each section of Kirupaforum as of right now are as follows:

Random 32665
Scripting Contest 483
Battle 2441

Flash MX 26254
Flash 5 7643
Flash ActionScript 11242
Drawing and Design 7304
Server-Side/Scripting 5990
best of kirupa.com 605

Other 837
Book Help 490

Site Check 4116
Site of the Week 2027
Test Forum 511
Forum Help 137

Given these figures, people come here for the Flash help and the community (Random). Not SOTW.

[RenaissanceGirl]

Originally posted by sheep
aww..

thats pretty gay if you ask me. You say that you want to keep it site of the WEEK, but now you say that if the sites arent good enough or not many enough, it isnt worth your time to cast your vote.

what a hypocritical thing to say - so absolutley void of integrity, and makes me want to win SOTW just so i can print out the little graphic and wipe my *** with it.


you guys sure need to get your ****e together, it kindof smells.

I hardly think this was a "just kidding" sort of thing if you have to use foul language.

[sheep]

are you even reading what i am typing, or just thinking of what you are going to say next? :love: i said you guys could get take the whole flash tutorial industry but it was your best possible marketing tool.. Im saying that you are doing it wrong already, so by you providing me with stats that prove that - whats your point? thats what im saying.. and im saying you could fix it, put some passion into it so that when people get the award it really means something - and then you would have the highest calibur webaward out there, because you are teaching people too.. giving back... whatever, its marketing, maybe you just dont get me.

regardless, kirupa is a pretty phenominal little masterpiece,..

[sheep]

heh, your right

i print things and wipe my *** with them all the time.

spreadsheets
source code
pictures of kevin bacon...

[RenaissanceGirl]

Originally posted by sheep
are you even reading what i am typing, or just thinking of what you are going to say next? :love: i said you guys could get take the whole flash tutorial industry but it was your best possible marketing tool.. Im saying that you are doing it wrong already, so by you providing me with stats that prove that - whats your point? thats what im saying.. and im saying you could fix it, put some passion into it so that when people get the award it really means something - and then you would have the highest calibur webaward out there, because you are teaching people too.. giving back... whatever, its marketing, maybe you just dont get me.

regardless, kirupa is a pretty phenominal little masterpiece,..

How about we just dominate the flash tutorial industry by having great tutorials? According to the stats I presented, SOTW isn't top dog in Kirupaland - it's doesn't even fall above the fold visually. And it's not meant to be... so how are we "doing things wrong?" Why should we put some "passion into it" when it's not even the priority in this community? Is it to make it more valuable to win the award, since you don't see anything valuable in earning it (besides wiping your ***, apparently)? You won't know until you actually win the award and the traffic on your site skyrockets from being on the front page of Kirupa.com.

[sheep]

listen, i do realise that you are 100% right in the since everything is exactly the way it is there is no reason in thinking that it could be bettered, i was just giving you a hard time. personally, i hate to see things evolve and actually despise the fact that someone might voice up an idea.. sheep are so ignorant sometimes

[SureShot]

hey now you two - stop it! :) No need to fight here...

In a way I agree with Sheep on the whole "marketing thing"

Even if SOTW forum doesnt get a thousand hits a day - the rest of the pages do and that's what counts. When somone comes here they see a fantastic place for Flash and other Designers and Developers to come and talk about things that intrest them. That's what makes this award so great - it's voted on some of the best out there. I mean - I know there are a ton of "better' flash people out there but the people here are pretty damn good and I think their opinion means something.

If I was hiring someone and I saw that their site had won "site of the week" award - I would go and see where they won that award. If I came to a place like this - looked around at all the great work that goes on in here, I would be pretty impressed.

Not saying everything Sheep is saying is what I agree with and I am not saying that everything RenaissanceGirl is perfect either - I am just saying I agree with this one point.

Sorry - it's not my battle - I just making a point.

[RenaissanceGirl]

Originally posted by SureShot
hey now you two - stop it! :) No need to fight here...

In a way I agree with Sheep on the whole "marketing thing"

Even if SOTW forum doesnt get a thousand hits a day - the rest of the pages do and that's what counts. When somone comes here they see a fantastic place for Flash and other Designers and Developers to come and talk about things that intrest them. That's what makes this award so great - it's voted on some of the best out there. I mean - I know there are a ton of "better' flash people out there but the people here are pretty damn good and I think their opinion means something.

If I was hiring someone and I saw that their site had won "site of the week" award - I would go and see where they won that award. If I came to a place like this - looked around at all the great work that goes on in here, I would be pretty impressed.

Not saying everything Sheep is saying is what I agree with and I am not saying that everything RenaissanceGirl is perfect either - I am just saying I agree with this one point.

Sorry - it's not my battle - I just making a point.

Do you even understand what sheep is suggesting with the marketing thing? He is suggesting that we emphasize SOTW since it has great potential to bring attention to this site as a tutorial site.

Doing this would require redirecting the mods priorities. This pretty much means that instead of helping people, mods will have to spend more time judging sites. That would pretty much diminish this place's value as a tutorial/help site.

Look at the location bar of your browser will you? It says "kirupaforum.com..." not "SOTWforum.com." It's not the priority to put people on pedestals here but to help people with flash. If you are looking for self-promoting award sites, look no further than Cool Homepages (http://www.coolhomepages.com/) or The Webbys (http://www.webbyawards.com/).

I don't entirely disagree with sheep. I do agree that ALL the mods should vote. I fully support this idea, but again, I can't make these people do that. If they're too busy, or would rather help people with flash than vote, then that's completely out of my hands.

[sheep]

you should never be in business.

[RenaissanceGirl]

Originally posted by sheep
you should never be in business.

Last time I checked, this was a non-profit organization. Mods aren't paid, so I can't force them to do anything or fire them.

[sheep]

no i meant period, like ever.. for all eternity.

[RenaissanceGirl]

Resorting to personal attacks now, eh? If being in business means hounding my colleagues to spend their personal time working for free... then I don't want to be "in business."

[sheep]

wanna be my friend? (-:

[sheep]

im serious.