Microsoft to Acquire Macromedia [Archive]

Makaveli

January 13th, 2003, 07:08 PM

check this out

http://theregister.co.uk/content/4/28667.html

whatcu think??? unrealistic or plain scary?

Analysts believe Macromedia is ripe for acquistion. Revenue for the most recent four quarters has been flat while net income is in the red. Macromedia reported an $11.6m net loss, down from $70.7m, for the fiscal quarter to September 30 on revenue that fell 2.2% to $85.4m. For the six months period, Macromedia has narrowed its loss from $182.4m to $13.6m while revenue fell 3.4% to $169m.

eyeinfinitude

January 13th, 2003, 07:11 PM

I don't get it, how can Macromedia be losing money? Could anyone explain this?

eilsoe

January 13th, 2003, 07:14 PM

yeah! The flash player itself (according to statistics) is way more used than IE!

pom

January 13th, 2003, 07:54 PM

But the Flash Player is FREE, Eilsoe...

Makaveli

January 13th, 2003, 08:16 PM

w00t!! FREE!!! the monopoly shall grow then......

mdipi

January 13th, 2003, 08:33 PM

why is it such a big deal? what has mirosoft done to you? look, if it werent for Gates, we would be on 8-bit machines looking at command promt and not a sleek OSX or Win. XP, hell the guy almost invented the OS as we know it. As long as Macromedia keeps the same name and continues to build nice heathy proggies i dont care who owns them...even if it is a monopoly.

eyeinfinitude

January 13th, 2003, 08:39 PM

Mdipi, I guess you haven't heard about Palladium....up till now, I don't have a problem with Microsoft at all, but the fact that Gates is trying to push out Palladium is a threat to how we choose to use our computers.

Check out Pom's thread on Palladium.

http://www.kirupaforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12367

fester8542

January 13th, 2003, 08:52 PM

hey electon...

cant believe I missed that thread.

That is wacked technology. I dont want to live in that world.

scary stuff man

eyeinfinitude

January 13th, 2003, 08:54 PM

Yeah I know, I just hope it doesn't go through.

mdipi

January 13th, 2003, 08:58 PM

wow, i didnt read it the first time, but now i am glad i read some of it. i got to the point of the MP3s and then i looked like this guy:angry:

eyeinfinitude

January 13th, 2003, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by mdipi.com
wow, i didnt read it the first time, but now i am glad i read some of it. i got to the point of the MP3s and then i looked like this guy:angry:
hahah I'm sure this is just one of many of Microsofts dark secrets...

mdipi

January 13th, 2003, 09:21 PM

i dont want to get violent or anything but all i can say is if they pass this, i will be sure to have a bullit in the chamber for all the exects.

Makaveli

January 13th, 2003, 09:30 PM

anyone seen the movie "AntiTrust" .......that was obviously aimed at Gates lol :P that movie was good

eyeinfinitude

January 13th, 2003, 09:31 PM

Yeah I've seen Antitrust and I liked it too... It's pretty funny how that guy is actually richer than Gates in that movie. :P

Makaveli

January 13th, 2003, 09:38 PM

Synopsis...lol, was that guy actually richer? wow i can't belive someone is richer than gates even if it is a movie!!

mdipi, i don't think it was all microsoft or gates who pushed the computer revolution, it was gonna happen one way or another, he just cashed in big time!! now, people say he is preventing the evolution of computers since he controls everything, how can you have fair competition when 1 person or company controls everything. without competition, the people who control the monopoly have no reason to push forward as they would if they had to compete with someone. for example, just look at ATI vs Nvidia or AMD vs Intel. WE have benefited BIG time from those companies battling it out and it should be the same way in every industry.

DDD

January 13th, 2003, 10:04 PM

I love Microsoft....hell they employ me. But I do not want them to buy macromedia. How in the hell are they losing money. Everybody and they momma has their software. Maybe that is why they stop selling Sitespring (man I loved that software :*( ) That palladium stuff is not cool. BUt I bet they will find a way to crack it. If it is man made then it definitely has flaws. Just like the xbox was supposed to be invincible and that thing is still gettin hacked.

fester8542

January 13th, 2003, 10:36 PM

Antitrust was a great flick.

The palladium thing is bad news. There would be some huge court cases before it takes off for sure. I dont see how anyonw would purchase a product that puts so much control in its makers hands.

I would revert to a 75MHz pentium and a 14.4 bps modem before I would conform. I am sickened by the whole thing.

I am sure the .mp3 thing is a main factor here. Maybe the record companies should look at thier price per CD,

It cost less than one cent to produce print lable and ship a CD. Yet it costs $15 in stores

That is insanity. I am not going to drop fifteen bucks for one song I heard on the radio when its a gamble if I would even like the rest of the CD.

I could go on with this on....but you see where I am going.

In theory this technology could be good for companies intellectual property rights, but for the goons here on Kirupa downloading .mp3's like it going out of style and most likely using cracked apps from warez FTP servers......its bad news.

RenaissanceGirl

January 14th, 2003, 03:26 AM

Originally posted by mdipi.com
why is it such a big deal? what has mirosoft done to you? look, if it werent for Gates, we would be on 8-bit machines looking at command promt and not a sleek OSX or Win. XP, hell the guy almost invented the OS as we know it. As long as Macromedia keeps the same name and continues to build nice heathy proggies i dont care who owns them...even if it is a monopoly.
Apple invented the OS you know today as Windows. (http://macos.about.com/library/weekly/aa062899.htm) Microsoft hasn't innovated anything (http://www.vcnet.com/bms/departments/innovation.shtml) - they just bought every technology they own today.

In addition to mp3s, Palladium spells the doom of the computer world as we know it. Do you love a certain small software company? Say goodbye to them - as well as freeware and shareware - as only big companies who can afford to pay Microsoft to allow their software to run on the new Palladium machines. Say goodbye to open source. Say goodbye to making Flash executables - as any executable running on the new machines will have to go through an anal cavity search.

Phil - I'm sure you'll get a kick out of this. Microsoft as well as its friends in the government, will now have access to pretty much all the files in your computer. They can not only check for illegitimate software, they can also tag your for any "unsavory" content.

In the end, Palladium isn't just an means to end piracy and stolen content. It means making the rich richer and the poor poorer. It's like someone coming into your house, making all your decisions for you, and forcing you to use only their products.

lostinbeta

January 14th, 2003, 03:33 AM

Yeah, Microsoft has got to stop. With Palladium, we might as well be using 8 bit machines, because you will be able to do more on them then you can with machines that run Palladium.

And yes, actually Bill Gates did take the technology of the Windows OS from Apple. He straight up copied it when it first came out, then it just slowly developed into something else (through hired developers of course).

I love my Windows XP, but with Palladium.... Microsoft will be my enemy. I don't believe in Pirating software, so that is not what I have my gripe with. It is that the only software you will be able to use MUST be approved my microsoft. One of the great things about Windows today is the availability of free programs on the web that can do some great things that programs you have to pay for can do. With Palladium, all that will be gone. You will have to pay for every little thing you want to install because the companies that make them have to get it Microsoft Certified.

It is BULL!

I don't know too much about Palladium myself, but I have heard things about it, and from what I hear, I don't like it at all. It limits the freedom of having a computer.

sintax321

January 14th, 2003, 10:54 AM

If Microsoft buys Macromedia and also enables Palladium I think you will see a big shift in hard core users. Mac Land here i come. I will not stand around and give a company control of my machine. I wil lswithch to Leniux before i buy into this crap. If Mac is the only company that doesn't switch to this then I sasy Mac all the way.

The reason Macromedia is in the red is every body has there software it's just that 3/4 of the ppl didn't pay for it. If ppl would stop pirating software then the price of it wouldn't be so high. There would also be no need for this Palladium crap.

I tell you if this stuff comes online I will do everything to fight agaisnt it.

Companys want to start to put TV through the net. Imaging the censorship if your TV has to go through a machine with TCPA and Palladium. Once this starts they wil also get to your E-mail and every other document you have or want to keep secret on your machine. They talk about needing keys to access or recive certan files. I'm sure the government will get control over all the keys.

Why don't they just call this Project 1984.

lostinbeta

January 14th, 2003, 12:24 PM

Yeah, the future of Macs is getting brighter.

sintax321

January 14th, 2003, 12:31 PM

Microsoft will shot themselves in the foot. Onlu idot users will buy this Gates controled machines. Advanced users will switch to waht ever else they can. Microsoft will lose money because idot users don't by $500 design programs. He will have to jack up the price on what normal users consume most. Soon everyone even idot users will get fed up and swich. The next 10 years will be very interesting.

lostinbeta

January 14th, 2003, 12:38 PM

Just thinking about it gives me a headache.

Guig0

January 14th, 2003, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by sintax321
...The reason Macromedia is in the red is every body has there software it's just that 3/4 of the ppl didn't pay for it. If ppl would stop pirating software then the price of it wouldn't be so high...
I think that this coin has two sides. If the prices were lower more ppl would buy.
The price for the studio mx is $899.00, in brazilian currency it is almost 4 times than US dollars(R$ 3,300.00). With this money I could by the best computer, or hire a pretty good designer/programer for a website project. So, what happens here in brazil, is that almost every company uses pirate softwares. My company (the one I work for) is all legal, but that´s rare here.

lostinbeta

January 14th, 2003, 12:42 PM

Yeah, it is a bit on the expensive side..... but honestly, I think it is worth it. And even more, if you get good enough, the software actually pays for itself in the end ;)

Guig0

January 14th, 2003, 12:46 PM

I think it pays for itself too, otherwise I would have gone with pirate :pirate:

But is too much expensive for my taste:-\

Niann

January 14th, 2003, 01:06 PM

You are forgetting about the group or users Bill is counting on... Corperate users. I doubt you will find and large corperations willing to throw away all of their PCs and buy Macs to replace them all. Microsoft cares very little about the average home user, most of thier profits come from corperations and multi-seat license holders.

It will be interesting to watch things unfold. Game designers, and home user app designers may be forced to start writing programs for Linux, Unix, and MacOS. =)

Cheers!
-Niann

lostinbeta

January 14th, 2003, 01:08 PM

Boy am I glad I stopped computer networking. I would have went to school, gotten my degree, only to find I wouldn't do it because I won't touch a computer that uses this new system.

RenaissanceGirl

January 14th, 2003, 01:48 PM

Personally, I don't think Palladium has ANYTHING to do with pirating software, music, movies or anything. It's all about increasing the Microsoft monopoly and hopefully getting the entertainment industry (who are mostly Mac-oriented) to finally switch to Windows by enticing them with anti-piracy. I agree with Niann - MS cares very little about average users.

mjULTRA

January 14th, 2003, 06:59 PM

the important issue here goes deeper than Mp3's and pirated software. You see, these are the reasons that we are given for the creation of this 'palladium'. The real reason lies in the fact that with the invention of the computer, and internet, any regular joe can create a page about anything and serve it to anyone.
God forbid we continue the idea of free speech.

This is all about contol, and it disgusts me..

mdipi

January 15th, 2003, 03:09 PM

well i dont feel like reading too much more than past Ren's first post but this is what i learnend in school:

Xerox invented it and refined it, Jobbs went in and stole it, gates stole it from Jobbs. But when you look at all the other great things that has come from Microsoft (BASIC!) you see where i am coming form.

ok now i read the rest before posting. but listen, while watching TechLive a WHILE back i remember hearing an MS statement saying there new OS focus was twoards small to large bussnesses. so that is true that the home user is looked over in this os. but still...

RenaissanceGirl

January 15th, 2003, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by mdipi.com
Xerox invented it and refined it, Jobbs went in and stole it, gates stole it from Jobbs.

Well since you decided not to read more than my post, you probably missed this little tidbit in the link I provided:

While members of the team did visit PARC, the Apple graphical interface project was well under way before the "famed" visit by Steve Jobs. Members of the early Mac team have gone on record noting that Jobs was taken to PARC so that he could gain a better sense of the concepts that the team was working on regarding the interface. Many of the elements that we associate with the Mac GUI, like drag and drop manipulation of files, the Finder, and types and creators were and are unique to the Mac development team.

But when you look at all the other great things that has come from Microsoft (BASIC!) you see where i am coming form.

What "other great things?" I can't think of anything. Why don't you give some examples. Microsoft invented BASIC? I heard otherwise:

This may come as a surprise to many Microsoft apologists, but Bill Gates didn't invent BASIC, that was invented by two Dartmouth professors about 10 years before Bill Gates and Paul Allen wrote their interpreter for the Altair. For that matter, Bill Gates had worked on a similar BASIC interpreter for the DEC minicomputers while he was an intern at Digital before he wrote Altair BASIC, and Altair BASIC was quite similar to DEC BASIC. Many of the products which Microsoft is famous for weren't even originally written by Microsoft, they were purchased from other companies or Microsoft absorbed other companies to get them. Examples would be MS-DOS and Visual BASIC. That's right, Visual BASIC was purchased, not developed originally within Microsoft Furthermore, for example, MS-DOS's direct predecessor QDOS was a direct clone of CP/M. Windows certainly wasn't the first GUI, in fact it wasn't even the first GUI shell that ran on top of MS-DOS.

- Software Janitor (http://www.softwarejanitor.com/antims2.html).

reverendflash

January 15th, 2003, 03:35 PM

I agree with Rengerl...

QDOS was actually invented by Seattle Computers and stands for "Quick and Dirty Operating System." Gates rewrote the contract <i>after he sold QDOS to IBM </i>so that he only had to pay a one time fee (Seattle Computer thought Gates was only selling to one Company, so they let him take out the per company pricing, and let him put in his use exclusivity). Gates then had to adapt QDOS (which he changed the name to MicroSoft Disk OS) to work with IBM, which he had told he already had an OS for their machine. He then went on to license MSDOS to everyone who would pay him money.

Gates has invented very little, but is a master business man who absorbs Companies for parts of their software (Access was ripped right out of Fox Pro, which they rode into the ground), and then makes the rest of the package obsolete, and unuseable because it doesn't work with the rest of MS products.

It's all the religeon of Microsoft...

Revhttp://www.aulman.com/rev.gif

Makaveli

January 15th, 2003, 03:35 PM

Ok, so now we have M$'s background, what does this mean if they DO purchase macromedia, their monopoly grows and Java is tottaly pushed out of the picture? does Palladium eventually become a reality? where did i lose my sneakers?

RenaissanceGirl

January 15th, 2003, 03:42 PM

For the record, I'm fine with you being a Windows lover, I really am! But if you make Bill Gates into a god, as though the entire computer technology was his doing, without acknowledging the brilliant, non-MS people who came before him - then I will have a few words with you.

lostinbeta

January 15th, 2003, 03:46 PM

I will stand by you Ren.... sure MS has done some great stuff.... but that great stuff was originally, and still is spawned from other peoples great stuff. And they get no credit.

reverendflash

January 15th, 2003, 04:05 PM

Yeah!

::runs to stand behind Lost, his arms crossed::

Revhttp://www.aulman.com/rev.gif

Makaveli

January 15th, 2003, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by RenaissanceGirl
For the record, I'm fine with you being a Windows lover, I really am! But if you make Bill Gates into a god, as though the entire computer technology was his doing, without acknowledging the brilliant, non-MS people who came before him - then I will have a few words with you.

ok i think thats directed to 3d and maybe mdipi....right?

Ryall

January 15th, 2003, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by mdipi.com
hell the guy almost invented the OS as we know it.

HE DIDNT INVENT SH!T... he stole his orginal OS. Bill Gates lied to IBM when he sold an OS he didnt even have, so he went out and "aquired" one. He is a dirty dirty bastard.

I am sure someone already said this, but I did feel like reading through all the posts... plus I want to say it anyway! :trout: :trout: :trout: :trout:

Peace

Makaveli

January 15th, 2003, 10:08 PM

lol ur right we ....er the others....proved that M$ stole it from jobbs and jobbs from xerox......or something like that so ur right!
you should read all the posts...its quite interesting :beam:

DDD

January 16th, 2003, 12:02 AM

Xerox deserved to have any ideas they have stolen....They had a chance to patent the mouse. And did not. The biggest mistake in modern history. The gave it away.

Guig0

January 16th, 2003, 07:04 AM

Originally posted by Makaveli
ok i think thats directed to 3d and maybe mdipi....right?
Feeding the fire mak? wanna see flames:q:

:P

sintax321

January 16th, 2003, 11:03 AM

I think midpi is just to young is why he is a little unclear about how it all came about. You are taught all of this in a Computer History class midpi. Ren is on the money with her info. Bill gates has never invented anything he has stole, copied, and monopalized on what wever he could find.

lostinbeta

January 16th, 2003, 12:27 PM

Yeah.... I found out that information in my Computer Networking class..... changed my view of MS on the spot.

Guig0

January 16th, 2003, 12:55 PM

It´s a two chapter series about the computer advention, it covers all xerox-ibm-apple-micro$oft and internet history. It´s pretty cool:)

lostinbeta

January 16th, 2003, 01:00 PM

Hmm, never heard of it. It sounds interesting though.

Guig0

January 16th, 2003, 01:03 PM

it was on the discovery channel. Maybe the senior citizens of Kirupa now what I talking about (rev, phil, edwin...):P

lostinbeta

January 16th, 2003, 01:08 PM

Edwin isn't a senior citizen... he is around my age I believe (I am 18)

Guig0

January 16th, 2003, 01:11 PM

My mistake :eye:

RenaissanceGirl

January 16th, 2003, 01:46 PM

Mak - you are misunderstanding or misreading my message entirely! I said I don't mind people not sharing my opinion about MS, so obviously, I am not addressing 3d-iva! I was only correcting mdipi on his claims of "MS innovation" but I think Syntax is right - he's probably too young or too misinformed.

And just a small thing that's bothering me - it's "Steve Jobs not "Jobbs." But I suppose it doesn't matter... tha man does say "jagWIRE" instead of "jaguar."

And again, the OS gui was well under way before Jobs even saw what Xerox was working on!